![Weapon[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/TZDZBkB.png "Weapon[1].png")
So does it move at all? I mean it seems pretty pointless that after two shots the base becomes useless as there are no more stars to consume
>Disney
>>64078360
It seems pointless to be able to destroy ten planets, completely wiping the Republic and the Resistance out in a day?
So what happened to Courscant? Why did the Republic move the senate from there to whatever the new capital planet?
>>64078837
There was too much bad chakra on Coruscant because of sheev.
maybe it has a jet
>>64078360
It's JJ
he ain't gotta explain shit since the reddit fans eat it up
>I hope Rian keeps JJ's direction of "mystery"
that is what they said
>>64080106
Maybe it is alive
It does move, apparently. Confirmed in an offhand comment by a guy who worked on the story as told by another guy on a podcast.
>>64078566
>the republic is 10 planets
I can't get over how the FO supposedly had the manpower to dig up billions of tons of rock to make the damn thing but couldn't get enough fighter pilots and other defenses to completely squash whatever the republic could throw at it
>>64080328
How come they blew up the entire Republic galactic space, but no body seemed to care?
>>64078360
This "Death Star 2.0" is non sense. It's totally childish just making things bigger to just destroy more. Whats about the sun energy? Even worse, it should take years to consume the sun, not just some minutes.
The worst film in the series. Only few things in the movie can be saved
>>64080500
It's actually 3.0 (ignoring the EU)
>>64080412
Yeah. It looks like the whole star wars universe is just 10 or 15 planets and not thousands like the original Star Wars.
>>64080528
Well in the OT they only blew up Aldaraan and there was atleast some emotional fall out with Leia, and Ben having a near force-heart attack from sensing the death of billions of people.
In TFA it was like the Resistance didnt even notice.
>>64080528
The republic has no standing army
>in Star Wars Episode VIII, The First Order will have a Death Star powerful enough to blow up a whole galaxy
Search your feelings
>>64080587
Probably because the destroyed planets were just some backwater outer rim planets, while Alderaan was this ancient center of culture and learning.
>>64080518
Yeah but deathstar II was only in beta phase it was never completed
>>64080217
If it wasn't in the movie then what's the fucking point.
>>64080678
What part of FULLY OPERATIONAL BATTLE STATION did you not understand?
Did Sheev stutter?
>>64080518
Death Star 2 was really just a bigger version of the first one, so it was more like DS 1.1.
>>64080741
By that logic The Force Awakens wasn't really a movie, it was just Episode IV.1
>>64080668
Watch the fucking movie.
>>64078360
>the new republic didn't know about this super weapon built into the side of a planet until they were just about to use it despite how small it makes the galaxy look
>>64080779
I would agree with that logic. TFA was a boring rehash of ANH. No originality.
>>64080668
>Alderaan was this ancient center of culture and learning.
That wasn't in the movie.
The Resistance has about 20 X-wings to face any galactic threat. None of the systems in the Republic have any ships to help out in their defense. There was no spy network to detect that the First Order was building a planet sized weapon that can fire energy through hyperspace. Basically, no one in the galaxy gave a flying fuck about anything except a handful of people calling itself the Resistance.
And why was the Empire bad?
>>64078360
It's these unexplained plot points that irk me, like
why is there a republic AND a resistance?
why doesn't the republic have an army?
where the fuck did the first order get a shitload of soldiers after the empire was buttblasted?
There's more but I can't remember them. I can easily ignore at how adept Rey and Finn are at combat and shit cos it's a kid's fantasy film but things like why the hell is there a map to Luke are more troublesome.
>>64080741
Are you retarded?
People use 1.1, 1.2 and so on because the 1.0 was changed, but it is still "1", the same thing.
Starkiller is a whole different thing, even if it was just like the Death Star, it would still be 2.0.
If the rebuilt Death Star is 1.1 or 2.0 I don't know.
>>64080881
Stop arguing about retarded points.
>>64080967
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that. Why are you here?
>>64080841
>why is there a republic AND a resistance?
Maybe the republic chose not to have military and uses a mercenary group
>why doesn't the republic have an army?
See previous answer, maybe fear that they could use the army as the previous empire, didnt the old republic use jedis snd had the clone army built just for the clone wars?
>where the fuck did the first order get a shitload of soldiers after the empire was buttblasted?
ISIS
>>64080381
Christ
Why are they still called the Resistance?
The rebels formed a government at the end of 6, shouldn't they be soldiers of the new republic?
>>64078837
no one care because Trade Negotiations™ and world building are so stoooopid! Fuck Jar Jar!! XD
>>64080841
You can clearly see in the flashback that Rey has that Luke puts his hand on top of R2-D2, he was probably giving him the map in that moment
>>64080841
There was a map to Luke because obviously Luke wanted to be found. He had programmed R2 to reveal the rest of the map after the Force awakens in Rey. The first part of the map was probably from Luke too, to spark interest.
>>64078360
Y'all bringing up good points. It's unthinkable that the Resistance is this group of 20 or so airships, likewise for the first order huge base. It ain't very realistic.
But it does not really detract from the moovie itself. Plus, there is a pretty simple answer to your woes. It was that way, because it is so. You are pushing your understanding of what an army is on this completely different universe that has nothing to do with ours.
>>64078566
There are thousands of inhabited planets in the republic alone.
Also wouldn't it take a long ass time to destroy every planet in the galaxy that opposes you, even with a super death star?
>>64081385
Seems kinda like a dumb plan and billions of people killed while he stands on island for 20 years.
>>64078360
No, it doesn't move you goddam idiot. its laser goes faster than light so it doesn't need to travel, it can shoot anywhere at anytime.
and what the fuck do you mean it becomes useless? it drains stars, not kills them, its just like a recharging period it needs for the suns to be reborn
It's a bit ship.
>>64081524
>its just like a recharging period it needs for the suns to be reborn
Oh wow so it can fire twice every couple billion years, nice
Didn't they find the location of the base with finn's help? If the base moves (which would make "sense" since it consumes the fucking star) how could finn know where it was?
>>64081384
>>64081385
Why do we now need a map to find a single planet in a charted galaxy?
>>64081682
The map shows which planet to go to. Also, wasn't Luke in an uncharted area?
>>64080841
The Republic has a fleet of military ships, they are destroyed along with the planets. They mention this briefly and you can see a few ships burning up on screen
The Resistance seemed like it existed because the Republic didn't want to openly wage war on the First Order. I think they covertly provided support to the Resistance though. Hux suggests this in his Hitler speech
>>64081656
Nope. They already had the plans. Finn just pointed out the weak spot. Why they had the plans, knew it existed, and still had every single republic asset in the hosnian system? JJ is a hack
>>64078837
Because the people were loyal to Sheev
>>64081726
The recon report came in after the shot (either they calculated where it had to be based on the shot's trajectory or just had Finn tell them where). The plans they had seemed to be mostly visual since they didn't know what/where anything was without Finn's direction.
>>64081717
>The map shows which planet to go to. Also, wasn't Luke in an uncharted area?
That moment felt so stupid when they the piece slotted into the main map. It was such a tiny area and it was in 3D. Like they couldn't search the area that was missing (ignoring that R2D2 was in "low power mode")?
>>64081717
Everything is charted. You can't hyperspace around if it isnt. This is made pretty clear in ep 2 and ep 4. Even if someone had removed a single planet from the databases again, bb8s map had like an eigth of the galaxy with it. And yet now... sorry, we cant find any of that. Its stupid bullshit
>>64080668
"The destroyed planets" were in the core and contained the fucking capital of the republic
>>64081775
Its still incredibly dumb either way to not know your enemy retrofitted an entire fucking planet, especially when you know their history and know theyll be up to no good, not to mention the labor force that would need moved around to make it happen.
>>64081792
you are literally wrong.
everything is not charted.
>>64081939
"If its not in our system, it doesn't exist"
You can't go hypersacing around blindly either, you'll crash into a sun or star or asteroid... its been established its all mapped.
>>64081997
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Regions
>CANON
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>>64082060
> first appearance
> force awakens
Like I said, it breaks with all previous lore. Disney just does whatever it fucking wants.
>>64082060
Not same guy, but ignoring it's uncharted, it was like a tiny portion of the map, couldn't they extrapolate from the main map and just search that area?
Also did "The Raid" guys die?
>>64082141
tiny is still pretty big when you are dealing with a galaxy.
>>64082220
not in star wars, it's not. their galaxies are the size of rhode island.
>>64078360
How did they stealthy build that on a planet?
>>64081997
Actually it's almost impossible to crash into a star if you just go straight. For example when Andromeda collides with the Milky Way, it is extremely unlikely any two stars will collide.
>>64082584
it is canon that blindly flying through hyperspace has the risk of flying into a star.
>>64082645
Fucking Canon.
>>64080841
>why is there a republic AND a resistance?
The resistance is fighting the First Order in the territory the First Order controls. The first order is like ISIS and the resistance is the 5 guys the US trained in Syria and handed their weapons over right away. The republic is like Russia and bombs the resistance.
>>64082724
Yeah, fuck those 6 other movies, amirite
>>64082134
As it should since it owns the property
>>64081836
you have absolutely nothing to base this off of you fucknut
>>64083031
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_system
not him but
CORE WORLDS
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>>64080229
it's 5 according to Disney :^)
>>64083198
the hosnian system comprised of 5 planets, not the entire republic you moron
>>64082775
ok but why?
The Republic should have steamrolled the remains of the Empire over the past 30-something years.
Aside from the starkiller base, all the First Order seems to have is a bunch of X-wings anyway.
>>64081059
>Maybe the republic chose not to have military and uses a mercenary group
This is fucking retarded though
Why would they not stay on a war footing to keep the fragmented Empire from destroying them and rising to power again?
>>64082775
Cont.: instead they somehow get to build this humongous planet-like weapon that consumes stars and I'd have nothing to object if it didn't look like getting from one side of the galaxy to the other takes like 5 minutes.
How did they miss it?
>>64083241
>shouting rally guy says "we're destroying the Republic"
>Finn says "that was the Republic, the First Order has done it"
>no mention of the Republic the rest of the movie because it's fucking destroyed
>>64083241
>a bunch of systems that were part of the Republic but don't house the government and military still count
>You now realize that the Resistance never blew up the Starkiller base, but the Starkiller was was meant to explode after utilizing the star's energy, making the star unstable and go into a supernova shortly after, but Finn was a double agent all along sent to lure the Resistance to the base, have as many Resistance fighters blown up as possible, then feign the First Order's defeat, meanwhile leaving the First Order base undefended, and leading the First Order to Luke's base planet using the tracking device that Finn implanted into Rey's vulva during their hot interacial breeding sessions
DISNEY FOOLED YOU! THEY ARE GENIUSES! YOU GOT TRICKED!
TRICCCCCKEEEEEED
>>64083371
Oh my god
>>64083371
>meanwhile leaving the Resistance base undefended
figsed
>>64078360
>Would take millions of years to construct
>Can only fire two times
>Shit defense
>Built with no-one noticing
>Can fire a shot have it travel to a different planet in minutes/hour or two (In movie time)
>Same plot device as in the other star wars films
>Han solo and co. luckily lands right were chrome stormtrooper is, who is also close to a room were they can turn off the entire shield protecting the planet
>"We can fire in 2 minutes", 20 minutes later still charging
Fuck star killer base
>>64081059
>Maybe the republic chose not to have military and uses a mercenary group
maybe that is the case. but if it is, it's fucking retarded and terrible writing, and either way the movie completely fails to explain whether or not that's the case or what the hell the nature of the relationship between the Resistance and the Republic is at all.
in the original trilogy, the balance of power in the galaxy was immediately made completely obvious and intuitive by dialogue, plot, visual cues and the opening title crawl all working in harmony.
TFA fails to elucidate the audience on the state of things and we're expected to swallow the pill that the New Republic is once again the underdog and the Empire which was supposedly dismantled after the events of RotJ somehow managed to build a battle station 50 times the size of the Death Star in the same amount of time it took to complete the Death Star, and somehow the neighboring Republic was just completely fucking ignorant of this project. Bullshit. it's contrived and nonsensical and confusing and it seriously detracts from the quality of the film.
we're supposed to accept the status of the galaxy being reverted to a state similar to that in ANH because "muh soft reboot" but the movie just fails to convey a plausible explanation. you might not have noticed it, but your brain did
>>64081496
yes, it would also be pointless; who wants to rule over nothing?
Did nobody watch the fucking movie? It explained that the Resistance is a covertly-funded insurgent group fighting in First Order controlled space. The New Republic is currently in a treaty/ceasefire with the First Republic.
And I really doubt that was Coruscant that blew up. How the fuck could they see that? There are probably dozens of "city-worlds".
>>64081717
Luke is on earth.
>>64083709
Its pretty straight forward. The rebellion and the empire had a ceasefire after the events of rotj.The first order decided otherwise and in secret and have slowly been building while the ineptitude of the new republic allowed it to happen. Leia said fuck that and formed the resistance to go around new republic to get shit done.
All this can be pieced together by watching the movie and having a brain.
>>64080646
They'll either make a death-galaxy or a black hole gun.
>>64081721
This is more or less accurate, the New Republic didn't really seem to give a flying fuck about the New Order so Leia went off and made the Resistance as a group devoted to monitoring/fighting the New Order.
Not that this is explained by TFA at all.
they could have built a Dirt Star with the planet crust they dug out. where did all the dirt go?
>>64081524
>faster than light so it doesn't need to travel
Jesus Christ
>>64084783
It would've been better (and retardedly easy) to lay that out in the opening crawl.
But still, it's hard to perceive the first order as a splinter faction of the empire when said first order was able to create a much more powerful superweapon.
It's obvious that in the writing there was a conflict between JJ Abrams wanting an ANH reboot, and what the current situation was supposed to be after ROTJ. It's messy and lazy.
Why not just build a dozen death stars instead of one giant sunkiller?
Like, I seriously don't get what makes the sunkiller so much better.
So, after the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion said mission accomplished, declared the Republic restored, and then sat on their asses and let imperial remnants regroup, operate star destroyers, steal children to create a new army of storm troopers and build a weapon of mass destruction that just wiped out their capital star system, kill and oppress people, while the Resistance gets only unofficial support?
The Republic deseved to be wiped out for sheer incompetence.
>>64085236
What I don't get is that if it has the ability to eat a sun in a couple of hours, and it can conceivably move around from system to system to recharge, then why would blowing up planets be its primary weapon?
>>64085236
And the sunkiller only has a few shots before the sun is drained and the place freezes over!
>>64084783
>All this can be pieced together by watching the movie
Name a single time in the movie they ever mention there is still an intact Empire. I'll wait.
Heres the real plothole:
How many lightyears away were the Republic planets from the "deathplanet?" How do you shoot something across a galaxy without the "bullet" taking years to get there?
>>64085448
Seriously, the galaxy gun from Dark Empire 2 and 3 was more well thought out,and it was fucking retarded.
>>64085448
The lasers travel through hyperspace. There you go.
![image[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/uIM0Mry.png "image[1].png")
So why don't the Sith cultivate squadrons of force-sensitive younglings to do their bidding?
I'm aware of the 'there can only be one sith lord and his padawan' thing, but why not at least keep the padawan rejects. Cultivate their force abilities just enough to make them elite Storm Troopers. Super good blaster reflexes, immune to jedi mind trick. Why not
>>64085544
Then how do people on the planet see it coming?
>>64085345
There isn't one, I assumed the empire wasn't completely destroyed after the emperor died.
>>64085615
The same way that people can see ships when they go into hyperspace. Now instead its a giant laser.
>>64084783
It still doesn't make sense though
Why would the New Republic, as the now-accepted democratic government of the galaxy, just trust the Empire and remnants not to seek revenge?
You need a fucking standing army to defend your shit no matter how peaceful and "progressive" you think you are. This movie pitches the Republic as space progressives and simultaneously demonstrates how fucking stupid they are
>>64085618
>There isn't one, I assumed the empire wasn't completely destroyed after the emperor died.
So you decided to ignore the title crawl outright stating "the ashes of the Empire" and then claimed this can be deducted from watching the movie.
>>64085708
>The same way that people can see ships when they go into hyperspace.
Ok, you're retarded. I will not continue to interact with you.
>>64085714
They were stupid in the prequels also. The space governments in star wars are pretty terrible at being governments.
>>64081059
>where the fuck did the first order get a shitload of soldiers after the empire was buttblasted?
Just because the emperor died, it doesn't mean that the admirals etc that were indoctrinated to the cause would leave their post and just go have a vacation at the bikini planet. There is still highly motivated and hierarchal organization left behind with soldiers programmed from birth to follow blindly what ever the higher ups feel like doing.
>>64085236
They probably got sick and tired of Rebel scum blowing up the reactors inside their giant death stations.
>>64083109
wait
if takonda (the planet where rey and finn etc were) is in the mid rim and hosnian is in the core...
how the fuck did they see it from where they were assuming the beam only enters and exits hyperspace when it fires and when it arrives at its destination
>>64085985
is the starkiller base is the outer rim? isnt that pretty far away from the core worlds?
>>64085985
>>64086140
This is pretty much the problem with that scene. If the starkiller needs a sun to fire, it has to move between systems. Why would it fire from the other side of the galaxy? And takodana is about 10000 lightyears from the hosnian system, it makes no sense for the beam and explosion to be visible from takodana. Fucking JJ.
It would make sense if takodana and hosnian prime were in the same system...
>>64086140
yea, starkiller base is in first order territory which is the outer rim and unknown regions
takonda is in the mid rim
hosnian is in the core
that scene makes absolutely no sense according to the lore
>>64086245
>This is pretty much the problem with that scene. If the starkiller needs a sun to fire, it has to move between systems. Why would it fire from the other side of the galaxy?
this isn't really an issue because presumably it can move from star system to star system to recharge and the beam uses hyperspace to traverse the long distances. what makes starkiller scary is the fact that it can be anywhere in the galaxy and still destroy any planet at will, no need to be in the same system and possibly get attacked by a fleet running defense.
what made no sense is how anybody but the people on starkiller base and in the hosnian system saw the beam and the planet destruction.
>>64086313
Yeah, the fact that it could destroy a star system from anywhere just makes it a ridiculously OP asset. But it's still logical.
The easy way to fix this would be to retcon the map and say takodana is in the hosnian solar system, and the planets destroyed were actually hosnian prime and its moons.
>>64086247
>>64086313
>>64086401
Found this:
https://twitter.com/PabloHidalgo/status/677919736873684992
"What they're seeing is some weird hand-wavy hyperspace rip. Side-effect of the Starkiller."
I dont know whats more bullshit, the movie or this
>>64086401
no one is going to fix anything, this is just an inconsistency due to JJ not caring about attention to detail
looking cool will always trump lore with these new movies
>>64086488
lol so the whole galaxy knows when starkiller fires? absolutely retarded.
>>64084783
i'm fucking glad they didn't delve into it
we had enough senate bullshit and political talk in the prequels. i think abrams wanted to avoid just that.
