>95% on RT, 294 reviews/8.4 average rating
>'A' Cinemascore
>$700 million in 5 days
Why is /tv/ always wrong?
are you trying to make a point here.....?
>>64016893
It wasn't a shit movie like /tv/ says, it was good. That's it. It was not amazing, it didn't reach OT levels, it was just good, better than the prequels.
End this meme.
>>64016893
>>>/reddit/
>>64017021
>it didn't reach OT levels
Kek. If you're actually including ROTJ, then I'd say it surpasses "OT levels".
>>64017090
ROTJ was better than TFA. TFA does not have one scene that comes up to this level:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
Shut the fuck up.
>>64016893
>one of the biggest franchises of all time
>lots of people go watch it regardless of its quality
Gee how surprising
>>64017090
>>64017127
>>64016893
youre arguing about which of the scifi children films are the best, you know
>>64017163
Star Wars is watched by everyone, fuck off.
>>64017127
Alright? The rest of the movie is still shit though. TFA is a lot better overall.
>>64017179
>70% male audience average age 34
>everyone
>>64017207
>rest of the movie is shit
Enjoy your safe, competent rehash of ANH, nostalgia fan service run by a committee you Disneybot
>>64017151
>regardless of its quality
>95% on RT, 294 reviews/8.4 average rating
>b-b-but muh shills
Must be why John Carter got mediocre reviews even though it cost $500 million :^)
THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT WHICH NINJA TURTLE WAS BEST
DONATELLO. SIMPLE AS.
>>64017283
>Enjoy your safe, competent rehash of ANH, nostalgia fan service run by a committee
Thanks. Perfect description of ROTJ.
>>64017309
If it wasn't for the hype alone the scores wouldn't have been even remotely close.
>>64017351
Farthest thing from it.
ROTJ is much better than TFA. It actually has three dimensional characters.
>>64017392
There wasn't much hype for Star Trek 09 and it got the same level of reviews
>B-b-b-but it's g-gonna fail!
>B-b-b-but there's a black guy!!!
>B-b-b-but I'm gonna spoil it for people!!!
Get REKT you pathetic cunts.
>>64017392
Accurate score would be 75%
>>64017333
Literally the worst possible choice. You have an argument for each of the other three. For D there is no argument. He is fundamentally the worst fictional turtle in recorded popular culture.
>>64017550
absolute bollocks
thats my argument
>>64017309
Disney are going to be pumping these flicks out. the media doesn't want to jeopardize the cash bonanza it is getting by marketing them.
>>64017457
>B-b-b-buh muh opinion!!!
Ha, the bitter tears. They're so awesome! Cry for me shit head, cry!
>>64016893
So what, the last Hobbit has 7.5 on Imdb even though it is a prequel tier abortion.
>>64017618
why are you so hung up on defending that movie
Sup /tv/
>>64017451
the star trek movies were both better than tfa
>Wah wah wah I don't like the thing!!!
>>64016893
> 95%
> the title crawl main plot is a complete abortion worse than any prequel without a doubt
> the second plot is lol not a death star donut steele
Fuck this earth. I dare anybody to try and defend that map shit
>>64017855
people are being influenced by nostalgia and emotion right now
it will come to be seen as just an okay film in time
>Waaaaaah people actually like the black guy!!!
>>64016893
jurassic world got good reviews too. nostalgia for it's own sake = good movie now
>>64017974
Defend the mapshit faggot. I fucking dare you.
>>64017249
man, you are dumb. We all live to about 78, so I would say 34 is about right in the middle. Two guys for every girl, wow, what a thought.
>>64016893
Doesn't mean it's a good movie or that he's a good director. Because it's not and he's not.
>episode 7: The Rehashed Awakens
>>64018116
it'll be revealed in the other movies, smart guy
>>64018397
Itll be revealed how you now need a map to find a planet in a clearly mapped out galaxy? Or that bit where an 8th of the galaxy was not enough planets for guidance and they needed the rest, that for some reason they dont have even though its needed for basic hyperspace travel?
>>64016893
>implying tv didn't expect this to break box office
doesn't mean it's a great movie.
reminder
>mfw it was actually better than the entire original trilogy
>>64018116
>Waaaaaaaaaaah I didn't like the thing!!!
>>64018658
reminder that /tv/ gets off on being contrarian and has no well thought out opinions?
>>64018749
So bad it can't possibly be defended then?
How were each of the prequels rated upon release?
>>64018794
Hello reddit!
>>64016893
tell again how those 700 million are going to save you from suicide watch you kike lover piece of shit
>>64018856
how would you know i'm reddit unless you're reddit
>>64018836
you can look that up yourself. the phantom menace was 10/10
>>64017410
Uh, no? 3D didn't exist back then.
>5 days
Seven at the very least, if not eight.
>>64019230
>8 days 700mill
>furious made 1.2bil in 12
kike wars remake fags on a suicide watch
5 > 4 > 6 = 7 > 3 >> 1 >>>>>> 2
>>64019544
kike lover spotted.
>>64017179
more like white and asian men.
>>64016893
he literally looks like pic related
>>64019544
>5 > 4
I know
>I get triggered by nonwhite male protagonists
.....
>>64019874
seriously lads
why does this board hate popular quality made cinema
>>64017410
Only Vader and Luke have any depth in RoTJ, everyone else are just the "good guys"
>>64018836
>The Phantom Menace: 60%, 212 reviews, 6 average
>Attack of the Clones: 66%, 242 reviews, 6.7 average
>Revenge of the Sith: 79%, 282 reviews, 7.3 average
>>64019544
>6 = 7
When will you cucks stop overrating ROTJ? Is it literally just nostalgia?
>>64017179
It's still juvenile trash for manchildren. Sorry that hurts your little neckbeard feelings.
Actually cool, intelligent people don't give a fuck about Star Wars you idiot. It's for 35 year olds who play with toys and casual dorks who have shit taste.
>>64018794
How's you're night, Mr. Shit Taste?
If you use the word "contrarian," you're literally an idiot. It's an invented concept by idiots with reddit sensibilities who are too fragile to deal with criticism of mediocre media that has widespread appeal.
It's a troubling manifestation of millennials' mental weakness. Seriously, the only people who would even entertain any "argument" involving the concept of being "contrarian" are weak, lazy idiots who can't deal with criticism substantively.
If it bothers you that much that people criticize mediocre mass-marketed work designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, like Star Wars, Breaking Bad, pop music, etc., you should find a safe bubble and stay there. Or kill yourself.
>95% on RT, 294 reviews/8.4 average rating
Into Darkness, one of the worst films ever made, got 87% on RT. Doesn't mean anything. Most reviews were "TFA is great! It's kind of a soft reboot, but it's great!"
>'A' Cinemascore
Again, Into Darkness got an "A" as well. Means nothing.
>$700 million in 5 days
Any studio making a live action Star Wars with the original cast would have made the same $. It could have been called "The Prequels and Jar Jar Returns" and it wouldn't have mattered.
>Why is /tv/ always wrong?
They were right. Everyone else was wrong.
The Phantom Menace got good reviews, made tons of money, and had a positive response from viewers.
>>64017309
same as supergrill and star trek and disregarding this has been the most shilled movie in history
>>64022545
>one of the worst films ever made
Kek. Glad you put this at the beginning so I knew not to take the rest seriously.
>The Phantom Menace got good reviews, made tons of money, and had a positive response from viewers.
Wew, lad. That delusion. You are right about the money, though.
>>64017163
fuck you alec guiness, Dr Zhivago blew
>>64017090
>'rotj isn't good' meme
>>64022600
>Kek. Glad you put this at the beginning so I knew not to take the rest seriously.
If you disagree then you're not a Star Trek fan. It was horrible.
>Wew, lad. That delusion. You are right about the money, though.
You obviously weren't there you millenial twat.
Check youtube for clips of people coming out the theater. Lots of positive comments. And major critics like Ebert gave it stellar reviews.
I really wasn't until AotC came out that the hate really began (not a prequel fan, but these are facts).
>>64022673
>If you disagree then you're not a Star Trek fan. It was horrible.
>muh Scotsman
>Check youtube for clips of people coming out the theater. Lots of positive comments. And major critics like Ebert gave it stellar reviews.
You mean that one video that gets posted ad nauseum? Haven't seen any others. And no, it was met with very average/mediocre reception. It was slightly higher before the 3D re-release, but the reviews were never mostly positive.
>>64022269
Went there with my girlfriend. She loved it. Saw lots of other girlfriends who all seemed to enjoy themselves. I literally haven't heard a bad thing about it in real life, only here on /tv/ where you guys will hate everything that's popular.
>>64022791
You weren't there. Trust me, the critics "liked" it.
>>64022440
You're a contrarian. TFA and Breaking Bad are objectively one of the best things made in their respective genres.
>>64022798
>bunch of sluts like scifi film
>it must be good
You can't fucking be serious?
>>64022830
They really didn't, but OK.
>>64022847
Hello reddit!
>>64022880
You weren't there. They did. It was more of a 2.5 to 3 out 4 star reviews, but the overall consensus was "it was pretty good".
>/tv/ getting btfo so hard their entire board is Star Wars
>>64022962
No, not really. The RT was pretty much average, at best.
>>64023058
At this rate, Ghostbusters is going to have 90+ critic/audience percentage, and sleepwalk to $1 billion.
>>64022798
>on /tv/
>have girlfriend
pick one.
>>64023096
Yeah but people him like will say its shit
Will this film top 2.7billion?
>>64023148
1,8b and not more.
>>64023148
I can see $2 billion at least, but I don't know about Avatar, and I'm not a Jimfag.
>>64023070
RT wasn't part of the culture in 99. Based on what I saw on TV and read in newspapers/magazines, critics "liked" it. There were no scathing bad reviews like we see from someone who watches the prequels for the first time nowadays.
>"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth." - Jar Jar Binks
Can't wait till the dust settles on this shitty film and level headed people with an IQ and a critical eye will be able to expose this pile of shit movie without being drowned out by the hordes of easily pleased redditfags and tumblrinas.
>>64023196
Same just don't see it
>>64023208
You already can outside of this board.
>>64023260
really? you mean it's worse in here?
>>64023308
Back to reddit.
>>64023308
Yes
>>64023356
You're the one telling me how it is outside 4chan. I don't venture out of this place so I don't know. Dipshit.
>>64022798
>girls
>understanding movies
lmao
>>64023442
Hello reddit.
Just watched TFA for the first time this morning.
Not that it was perfect, but it was solid beyond expectations. Jew Jew really outdid himself here. I was skeptical after his mishandling of the Trek films, but this was fantastic. Think I wanna go watch it again... like, not tomorrow... but TONIGHT. You feel me, /tv/?
>>64023308
yea
the cancer from /co/ and /v/ are the ones praising this garbage here and crying reddit/hipster/contrarian at even the smallest criticism
>>64017922
like all the films with any sort of critical analysis?
they're all flicks. it's just that the OT and TFA are enjoyable flicks.
>>64022798
if women like it that means it's probably shit desu senpai
I'm just glad that I used a gift card to see it and didn't have to spend my own money, because it was legitimately a waste of my time.
I don't have any critical analysis of it, I just plain don't like it.
>>64017127
>It's over dad, I have the high ground!
>Fuck that shit lil faggot
This is like posting the Call of Duty sales when people criticize the fps gaming craze. Yes we get it, its trash made to appease the mindless masses.
The thing is, that doesn't mean its a good product.
>b-b-but a lot of idiots bought it!
>>64016893
How does 8.4 average = 95%?
>>64023718
RT % works as good reviews vs. bad, not a correlation to the average x/10, x/5, etc.
>>64023481
>i got called reddit, time to call others reddit
>>64017021
Who said it was ab ad movie? The only real issue is it they made Rey too much of a Mary Sue.
>>64022600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaa_OBkzw
>>64016893
no one on tv said it would flop. fuck you.
>>64023148
no, tops at 1.5 max
I don't think it can be called a bad movie, if it made record profits at the first weekend it's been out.
Hate this fact all you want, but making movies aren't at all about your entertainment, it's about making money, it's business. If it manages to get people's money and a big amount of it, it's a good movie.
This whole thread and arguments such as these are pointless.
Whether you liked it or not is also subjective, and as such don't count as legit arguments when we are looking for objective truth.
it's a fucking remake of anh. if there was one thing we didn't need it was a remake of anh. they didn't even have the decency to admit it was a remake, but instead shoehorned in a bunch of returning characters to try and distract people from the fact that it's a cheap, soulless copy of anh. it doesn't make sense to have all these old characters in a remake but they had to do it because the movie would have been nothing without them.
>>64024066
>I don't think it can be called a bad movie, if it made record profits at the first weekend it's been out.
I agree. Transformers can't be called bad movies either, they make shitloads of money. I love them.
>>64023872
T O P K E K
>>64017309
>He bases his opinions on movies on other people's opinions
>Implying TFA is better than John Carter
>>64024365
>Whether you liked it or not is also subjective, and as such don't count as legit arguments when we are looking for objective truth.
>>64023831
what does that mean
>>64024463
Nigger you just said that it can't be called a bad movie because it made money.
Go shill somewhere.
>>64024551
Cold hard fact. The whole world is about money. If an idea makes money, it's successful. If something is successful.
Calling successful things bad is just teenage tier angst.
But I guess I shouldn't expect bland neet plebians who could never hold a job properly to know anything about money and success.
>>64023872
>the effects are good lucas did a good job
>it will be one of 6 great movies. unless the other 2 suck
>thumbs way down. i think i deserve a public apology from george lucas
toppettiest of keks
>>64024551
hes just saying that on here because he can't actually defend it
don't worry about it lmao
>>64019916
because its full of autistic faggots
>>64016893
And after all that the movie is still a glib facsimile.
>>64023872
Look at all these retards either gushing over nostalgia or trying to convince themselves it was good. Muh starwars was shit, but here let me rationalize it to myself:
"The kids are going to love it"
"I feel like, its, um, exciting"
"lot of action, lot of noise"
"I liked the special effects"
Based logical man at the end, he saw it for what it was.
>>64016893
>>64016893
>>64016893
Shit plagiarism of a movie.
>>64017021
Fucking this.
The only bad elements were Rey's character and some of the inconsistencies with the series internal logic.
>>64026029
That was literally the entire point of the plot, to emulate the plot of Episode IV.
I'm assuming they'll break away from it in the second movie, but you do realize that VII was intended to be a retelling of IV, right?
>>64026427
>That was literally the entire point of the plot, to emulate the plot of Episode IV
you're not really doing yourself any favors
>>64026074
>The only bad elements were Rey's character
Rey was the protagonist. Having a shit protagonist is kind of a bad thing.
>some of the inconsistencies with the series internal logic.
You mean she was a Mary Sue that defied logic.
Also if you want to get anal about it, this movie was full of plot holes.
>>64017090
>then I'd say it surpasses "OT levels".
Only the church of scientology can say this, thetan hubbard will NOT be pleased.
>>64022673
FTR, I'm not a Star Trek fan, so maybe that's why I disagree.
(Not that it was flawless.)
>>64026646
How? I'm not wrong.
>>64026724
Yeah, the movie was full of plot holes, such as how the fuck could the First Order attain that many resources in the span of 30 years from a base of nothing.
It's Star Wars, though, and is thus just an action science-fantasy story, so I think these things are forgivable. If it were something like Star Trek I would make a bigger shit about it.
>>64017021
>it didn't reach OT levels
But it was better than ROTJ. Or at least on the same level.
>>64016893
Because /tv/ is an echo chamber full of manchildren with no real appreciation for film or television
What's up with all coincidences in TFA?
Just watched it, and there are just to many moments where it seems they have made the universe into a tiny shoebox.
Like when Finn lands on the planet, the first camp he finds has the droid he's looking for. Then the same camp has a Milennium Falcon standing by. Then it gets capture by none other than Han Solo himself, who comes in handy since Finn and Rey don't have access to the Rebellion.
The death star shotgun blast being visible on the planet Rey, Han and Finn were was also quite convenient.
Then later Rey is captured, Finn and Han just look at a window and find her immediately.
Some of this stuff is okay, but in TFA it just piles up and comes across as lazy writing.
How butthurt will /tv/ be when TFA passes Avatar worldwide?
>>64017127
that backflip down the stairs never fails to make me kek
>>64027062
Fuck no
Lel /tv/ has never been so BTFO!! Idk if any board has since moot nuked /pol/. Just look at the fucking whiney delusion in this thread alone! Hurr durr everyone else is wrong not us!! I've been on this board since it started and I'm glad it's been exposed. Now no one will take it seriously aNd maybe the /v/ manchildren and /pol/babbies will mass suicide or at least fuck off
>>64017021
it was just as good as the startrek films, which is to say fucking awful.
>>64016893
Just found the camrip. Impressions:
>Starts out promisingly enough, I defy anyone to not feel a shiver up their spine when THAT theme starts playing over the opening crawl of a Star Wars film
>Village assault, Max Von Sydow, Oscar Isaacs, BB8 all good
>Part with Finn losing it is, ironically enough, where the film started to lose it for me - no setup for this whatsoever
>From there it just keeps getting worse - becomes clearer and clearer it's a 'safe' cash grab quasi-remake of A New Hope with grrl power protagonist, useless black minstrel character and cranky old Harrison Ford dragged out of the retirement home to placate the actual nerd/old people intersectional demographic
>Lose all interest after 25 minutes, just start skipping through scenes
>Maz Kanata scene retarded and cringe-inducing, skip
>Assault on Death Star Mk 3, where have I seen this before? Oh right, A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, skip
>Kylo/Han scene probably only good part I found skipping around
>Ending fight with Finn and Rey is utterly stupid in conception and execution
The three surviving X-Wings flying away just like in A New Hope was the final nail in the coffin for me. It takes a LOT for me to get bored enough with a movie to just skip entire scenes, but this one managed it.
It's visually stunning, I imagine this is a great sound and light show in the theatre but then again so was Star Trek Into Darkness. This film shares a lot of that movie's problems, just as I feared it would. Badly-written characters, nonsensical motivations, constant deus ex machina plot convenience, terrible dialogue and endless rehashed moments from an older, better film.
5/10.
>Rey beats the shit out of some dudes, Fin is impressed
>Fin gets captured by a monster, Rey saves him
>Rey gets kidnapped, Han and Fin go to save her, find out she's escaping on her own
>Rey beats the shit out of Kylo, where Fin failed
I understand she's a bad ass jedi, and not wanting to play the damsel in distress card, but why?
>>64027761
Because otherwise feminist would suicide bomb Disney.
>>64027219
All of those were annoying, but honestly the most disappointing aspect was a classic movie error: telling your audience what happened instead of showing them. Han's brief overview of what happened after RotJ and before TFA sounded like it would've been a way more compelling movie than the one we got. Consequently, the emotional impact we were supposed to feel from the introduction of characters or explanations of who people were fell completely flat because we never saw the events leading up to the present.
>>64024701
>anything that makes money is good
>this level of edginess and corporate shilling
>>64027219
This happens in every Star Wars movie. Luke crashes practically on top of Yoda's house when the only information he has is the name of a person and the name of a planet he's never been to before.
>>64027845
Don't worry goyim, soon you'll be able to piece together a fuller picture of that story by reading our new 12-part comic maxi-series from Marvel™, a subsidiary of Disney™ - and you'll be able to play the exciting new game from EA™ further filling in that story (DLC season pass sold separately). All this will lead into the interquel film Star Wars™: The Lost Years™, coming 2020 from Lucasfilm™, a division of Disney™ and directed by hot new talent Justin Lin™!
So was Han's death Harrison's idea, or JJ's?
>>64016893
BACK TO THE DEPTHS OF STAR TREK WITH YOU!
>>64028234
I said some coincidences are okay, a string of them such as the whole Finn finds Rey in the first town he goes->they steal the Millennium Falcon that was next to them->Han Solo captures the Falcon, and helps Finn/Rey that's too many fucking coincidences in a row.
>>64028439
Kasdan's. He wanted to do it in Return of the Jedi.
Reminder:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001410/
He hasn't made anything above the level of mediocre since Empire Strikes Back. Anyone feting him as some kind of visionary genius behind the Star Wars universe is flat-out retarded. All he's good for is sharpening up dialogue.
>>64028498
>never tell me the odds
I keep hearing only good things about the movie, but I feel like I saw a completely different movie than everyone else. I went in ready to love it after hearing all the good things, but I don't understand how people can justify it.
It was just a worse explained version of ANH, which wasn't the best one to begin with. The
characters can't take a second to stop and discuss anything, constant action, next to no worldbuilding, and the story is all over the place. Mez's part with Rey was the only example of slowing the fuck down, and it was very basic. Rey was overpowered, Finn going from distraught over war to slaughtering stormtroopers in a minute was silly, and the stormtroopers turning away from Kylo just had the audience laughing. There were extreme plot holes, such as the movie not explaining the situation between the Republic, First Order, and Resistance, and the lack of Resistance fleet after Endor. Poe, advertised as the third protag, shows up at beginning, disappears until the end.
Beyond all this, was the mess involving Starkiller base. The Death Star was introduced properly, as the opening scrawl mentions that they're trying to get the plans to stop it. Starkiller isn't introduced until it's suddenly ready, and luckily someone gets a report to Leia and they go blow it up after it apparently decimates the Republic who were only located in five nearby planets.
If all that weren't enough, R2D2 wakes up just in time to show the map and complete the actual plot the title scrawl mentioned. Good thing he came out of his "low power mode," god forbid they just plugged him the fuck in. I understand that he was depressed apparently with whatever happened, but it couldn't have been worse than what he saw with Anakin, on top of that, how are we to believe Luke gives up and fucks off to an abandoned planet after he tried so hard to turn his father back in VI? Last we saw of Luke, he goes that far for people.
>>64028304
I mean, they "reunited" Han and Leia, complete with swelling string orchestra, and it had never been made clear to the audience prior to that point that they'd ever separated. That gets explained in a hackneyed dialogue AFTER the reunion.
I just don't know what they were thinking. Watching it, I legit thought the "old ally" referred to in the scrolling intro was Han, so, when he showed up, I thought Leia had sent him to collect the droid after Oscar Isaacs bit it in the desert. Imagine my bewilderment when they started talking about finally seeing each other again. Sorry, JJ, you can't just assume people share your headcanon. You have to work it out through story telling, something we didn't get much of in TFA.
>>64023718
RT is % of positive reviews.
The average could be 5.1 and a movie could still have 100% on RT.
Metacritic scores reflect the average rating.
>>64024066
>If it manages to get people's money and a big amount of it, it's a good movie.
Yeah, to a producer or a stockholder. Why do non-producers and non-stockholders give a fuck about how much a movie makes?
>Whether you liked it or not is also subjective, and as such don't count as legit arguments when we are looking for objective truth.
Whether a movie is "good" or not has nothing to do with objectivity. I just explained how, subjectively, a movie could be perceived as "good" by a producer if it makes a lot of money.
This is a board for TV and film. If you want to argue about profits all day, shouldn't you be on a messageboard for Disney shareholders? Disney's stock price is also down btw.
>>64024701
>Calling successful things bad is just teenage tier angst.
And how old are you? 20? Oh wow, nothing that makes money can ever be criticized...
I bet you're voting for Trump. Idiot.
>>64025786
wow
>>64022440
>shits on 'contrarian'
>uses 'literally'
kek
My personal bitching:
1) TFA plot is a photocopy of ANH plot. How the hell is 2 solid hours of callbacks supposed to "reassure us that the series is in good hands", as a lot of people have claimed?
2) Absolutely no drama in the last quarter of the film because it became obvious where the plot was going.
3) Darth Emokid is just a contemptible loser who throws tantrums and kills his own family members. Contrast that with Darth Vader in ANH who inspired awe and fear. People theorize that he's going to be redeemed but it's hard to imagine any credible way that could happen.
I like Rey and Finn and the final scene was well done (the look of anguish and dread on his face was perfect) but overall, I'm just not impressed.
>>64026427
Just because that's supposed to be "the point", that doesn't make it ok that there's no creativity whatsoever and that everyone is praising it even though it's the most blatant copycat movie I've ever seen.
http://www.gq.com/story/oscar-isaac-guitar-star-wars-cover
>Implying Oscar Isaac isn't god tier.
Watch this and say thank you Based Isaac.
