He's actually an interesting antagonist, which is more than what the prequels gave us
>extremely passionate
>hilariously shit at everything
>literally follows no strategy and just swings his blade uncontrollably
>gets his ass kicked by a chick with zero training
>he even fucked up building his light-saber
>literally wears the mask to be edgy
It seems like fanboys are just butt hurt that he wasn't Vader 2.0
kylo ren
>sucks at tech
>mediocre fighter
>wears a mask when he doesn't need it
>wants to be at the dark side but is pulled by the light
>will never be like vader
rey
>from a desert planet
>technical genius
>good with robots
>top tier pilot
>expert in melee combat
>over 6 million midichlorians
she's the new bad guy
that means ben will be the good guy in the end right? he's basically the opposite of vader while rey is exactly like him
>>64012007
To be fair everything about him makes him seem like the protagonist.
He's literally the only one with a motivation I can get behind. At least he commits and actually murders someone.
It would be retarded if he switches to good, I'd rather he fucking died.
>>64011890
The whole cast was bland and predictable. He showed some promise, but still wasn't interesting enough (largely due to that horrible final duel with a Negro gentleman and Mary Sue).
>by a chick with zero training
Wait, people still believe she never had training?
>>64012133
Agreed.
Rey was a pandering "strong-woman"
Finn was a meme-generator with no believably.
Po had no fucking lies.
What was wrong with the dual?
>>64012205
She literally had no idea what a light-saber really was.
All she had was the force and plot armor.
I agree. Losing to Rey and getting hit by Finn felt contrived, though, and it does sap him of some of his intimidation.
I understand he was distraught. I understand he was very injured and wasn't focused. But it still felt odd to me. Either way, it's not a fault of his character so much as a fault of Rey's. No matter what explanation they give for it in the next movie it won't make Rey any more interesting in this one. She was still an awful protagonist.
>>64012007
I'd agree if it weren't for the fact he killed Han. I still think he'll have some kind of redemption arc, but I doubt he'll transition into being a protagonist. I think that would be a fundamentally more interesting story, but I don't think it's likely.
>Rey seduced to dark side
>Kylo forgotten by his master, is buttblasted
>Mans the fuck up and fucks up the empire in a sith vs sith war
>Rey kills him before getting critically injured herself
>Finn saves the universe killing Rey
Screencap this, non-dubs confirm it
>>64012714
done, Im behind this as well
>>64012246
>She literally had no idea what a light-saber really was.
She was mindwiped, only question is at what age
>>64012375
Yep, it's impossible for him to become protagonist now. He removed only obstacle on his way to become true evil lord of absolute darkness and damnation.
People are missing the point.
Kylo is the second protagonist who will go back to lightside.
>>64012375
Wasn't that the point, though?
Even though he puts on this sense of intimidation he's secretly an inexperienced wimp.
At least they didn't just go with the typical run of the mill Sith Lord
>>64011890
IVE BECOME SO NUMB
>>64012780
Yeah I guess it could be a implicit memory thing.
Still Kylo's a pussy and I loved it
He's great as a character
the problem is that you don't really have a legitimate "bad guy", because he's being set up for a redemption of some kind, Snoke hasn't done much yet, and Hux is too young to be taken seriously as a military leader. So when you focus on him as if he's the main villain the whole story stumbles a bit.
>>64013060
Cut my Dad into pieces
I've reached my last resort,
Suffocation, no breathing
Don't give a fuck if I hit my chest groaning
Do you even care if I die bleeding?
Should I be dark, could I be light?
If I stab my Dad tonight,
Chances are that I might
Mutilation out of sight
And I'm contemplating patricide
>>64012835
This, Rey was a dummy protagonist
>>64013060
ALL I WANT TO DO
IS BE MORE LIKE YOU
AND LESS LIKE ME
>>64012998
Yeah, and that's fine, but even within the movie's own context it still felt off to me. Given what we see him doing earlier in the film it feels contrived. I like the fact he's largely inexperienced, I like the fact he's a bit of a misfit who isn't as evil as he wants to be. But he's still clearly hot-shit and powerful. They didn't need to make Kylo Ren lose in such an overt way to establish that. The movie was doing just fine before.
>>64011890
Just keep the fucking mask on, please.
>People expect Vader 2.0
>Get someone with more character than Vader had in ANH
>normies whine of not muh Vader
>>64011890
Then look at your picture again. He looks offensively ugly and I usually prefer mediocre looking actors.
It really, really doesn't help his character is the worst written character in the Star Wars universe so far.
>>64011890
because he's ugly
>>64013106
Well apart from that Supreme Leader guy who had like a minute screen time.
To be fair I loved the pathetic sibling rivalry between Kylo and Hux,
>>64012835
The movies are like 40 minutes too short for this unless the writing is even worse than I think.
>>64013152
I take your point.
Although it'll be interesting to see that other "training" he's meant to be having.
Maybe he'll fucking calm down.
Realtalk, Kylo Ren was the best character in TFA.
Interesting character, but weak villain in an action-adventure story.
>Climax of Episode 8
>Snoke close to defeat berates Ren for failing him and the Dark Side 'Just like Vader did!'
>Kylo gets butt blasted upon learning that Vader went straight
>Kills Snoke
>Kills self or becomes the new big bad, vowing to show the True dark side.
JUST
>>64013174
Clearly you cannot see true beauty.
Even though everything about his face makes no sense, Adam Driver is handsome as fuck
I love the guy. Esp when he threw fits of rage when things didn't go his way.
Little emo kid has an obsession with his grandfather but will never live up to Vader.
Gets told by Hux
And this is why he's a true asshole he has the coolest parents and uncle in the galaxy but throws it all away to be edgy
>>64013311
You forgot
>cut to Kylo in his bedroom tearing down all his Vader posters and memorabilia
>>64013196
>>64013214
And terribly written. And just misscast in general. He doesn't even look 1 % like Ford or the whore.
>>64013190
This character might be the only one who wasn't ripped off from A New Hope
>>64013341
I'll admit, the first thing I noticed was his beautiful hair, despite the fact that it's been sitting in a helmet for God knows how long.
>>64011890
Am I right ?
>>64013196
Wait, terribly written?
DIDN'T YOU WATCH THE PREQUELS?
I liked him as well. It was interesting to see a bad guy struggle to be a bad guy and not just be generically mustache twirlingly evil and good at his job from the get-go. He was passionate.
Also the actor did a fine job, even if he looked slightly goofy.
>>64013341
The word potato doesn't even quite cut it. Holy shit.
>>64013111
kek
>>64013284
Truth.
>>64013467
They are masterpieces compared to 7 so far. 7 only had nostalgia and the old actors. Everything else was 2/10.
>>64012007
they both suck
>>64013300
He's still powerful as fuck and a legitimate threat if he follows snoak
Maybe a weak "villain", but I don't think he was ever meant to be that.
>>64011890
>hilariously shit at everything
Why do people rampantly exaggerate everything? He's like Padawan level.
he's ridiculously badass with helmet and armor, I can't help but love him. He'll finish what Revan started.
>>64013352
IT'S NOT JUST A PHASE DAD
>>64013566
Problem is he looks like a potato without the helmet.
The other problem is the helmet makes absolutely no sense, he doesn't need it at all unless he's on the battlefield, maybe. Makes the movie even more ridiculous and chidlish when you see him walking around on his own ship with the helmet on. Of course I still prefer this over seeing his face.
>>64013549
Snoke implies he had at least some years of training so he isn't a padawan.
>>64013395
Yeah...he looks NOTHING like a young Harrison Ford.
>>64013352
Are you a 14 year old emo girl?
He is objectively shit.
>>64013284
It's the old characters. They didn't even have to do shit since they're already established.
>>64013414
I imagine he takes it off when he sleeps.
He's not that autistic.
>>64011890
>Darth Columbine emo faggot
>interesting antagonist for a Star Wars movie
Pick one and only one
>>64013652
Exactly, he doesn't. He looks like an old potato, though.
>>64012063
Also he's a white male.
>>64013652
Yes, he doesn't.
>>64011890
He's basically an EDGY version of Vader. Star Wars figured appealling more to teenagers would make their already astronomical BO numbers even higher.
>flunked out of (Jedi) school
>hates his parents
>worships space Hitler (Dark Vader)
>ugly edgelord
No wonder you redditors hate this character so much, he reminds you of your pathetic self.
>>64013512
Didn't realize /tv/ was still full of such edge lords
I also didn't realize that films can comparably be called masterpieces when they fail in every way possible
>>64012063
Could you please tell us about his well written motivations? Because I thought we don't know at all why he joined the dark side yet and have no idea what he even wishes to achieve.
But while we all fear his motivations that will probably be revealed in 8 or 9 will be lackluster, you seem to already know them. Could you please tell us about them?
>>64013549
Hilariously shit at everything for a guy who is meant to be an intimidating antagonist.
>>64013766
And by "edgy" you mean emotional, Vader was way more badass than this lame motherfucker
>>64013797
>calls other people edgelords
>implies the prequels fail in "le every way possible" which is factually wrong since they have an amazing OST, some extremely well cast characters, costume design, sound effects, great and powerful scenes like the death of Dindu
Go back to NeoGAF and hype your fucking J.J. shit.
>>64013793
i don't hate my parents
>>64013621
Shit you're a retard.
He literally wears the helmet because he wants to be Vader and is super edgy.
How could you miss the point that much?
>>64013891
Yeah, no, I doubt the writing of this movie is this terrible.
>>64013793
kek
>>64013880
How can you have this amazing hair and beard genes?
RIP
>>64013793
SpaceHitler is Hux you idiot
>>64013793
But Reddit and you love this movie and this terrible, childish character who makes no sense in any way so far?
>>64011890
Would take Darth Scion over him any day
>>64013805
Someone's a little peppery.
His motivation is by no means complex. He literally is just obsessed with Vader and wants to fulfill this obsession by destroying the Rebels. He's probably a tad mentally-unhinged as well.
>>64013880
>>64014029
So, you defend this character and its writing by saying he is mentally retarded. OK, I can live with this.
I don't agree because I don't think he is supposed to be retarded (although he seems to be, granted), I think the writing is just very bad.
Kylo theme:
https://youtu.be/hzMviyvci7I
>>64013891
>one character's motivation is simple and irrational in a fucking Star Wars movie
>film has bad "writing"
>>64013928
Why would that be terrible?
Kylo Ren is great, Adam Driver has terrific screen presence and he was absolutely my favorite part of TFA
>>64013991
No sense?
He's really fucking simple man, maybe your peanut brain can't grasp it but he's basically an edgy teen.
>>64011890
Just checked IMDB. This movie really almost has a 9 there? I mean I didn't think it was terrible but holy shit... Where are all the people implying the prequels are so horrible? Where are all the people implying Michael Bay movies are so terrible? This movie was a mediocre action flick.
I better don't take anyone shitposting anything ever seriously again in my life. Literally everyone is hypocritical.
>>64014112
I write "a tad mentally-unhinged" and you ignore the rest of what I said.
Bravo.
So is Ben Solo gonna fuck Rey or is he too full of homolust for Vader's mechanical cock?
>>64014231
Yeah 9 is insane.
Still not worse than the prequels, though.
>>64014219
oh wow fucking saved
>>64013549
It was implied that he was strong though. Strong enough to take down Luke's new Jedi order. So what the fuck? Shitty ass new Star Wars story line is now naruto tier
>>64013793
Dont forget
>tips helmet
>uses a lightsabre of ancient design bc muh darkside heritage
>>64013928
Then tell me about Kylo. Why does he wear the mask?
>>64014353
Edge points and cosplay.
>>64014353
It's the only way he can achieve orgasm.
>>64014328
I thought the primitive lightsaber was just to show that he hadn't been properly trained and didn't really know what he was doing when he made it.
>>64014353
I think the original response would fit here.
>no one cared who I was until I put on the mask
>>64011890
He didn't build the lightsaber incorrectly. The core is broken (I'm assuming the only one he had/could find) which is why the exhaust ports are needed on the sides.
>>64014385
That's what I though as well.
That also explained how the dreaded 'cross guard' was more like two exhaust pipes because he didn't know what he was fucking doing when he was building it.
>>64014175
>>64014207
>>64014029
>retards literally defending this movie by straight out calling the evil guy simple and dumb when he clearly isn't supposed to be either
>this is how bad the writing is
>they don't realize how retarded they are
Jesus. It makes zero sense for him to adore Vader since Luke should have told him that Vader wasn't actually evil and even became a good force ghost. Unless the writing is horrible. It makes no sense for him to even join the dark side unless there is something we still don't know (which hopefully is the case, although I have no idea which this could be). It's doubtful his motivations to join the dark side will be half as good as Anakin's for wanted to save Padme's life and had a fucking pathetic life. And Anakin and the prequels are considered terribly written by all the mainstream people. It makes no sense at all that he loses to Rey. First time they meet he beats her within two seconds with his force powers. Second time he barely even uses his force powers anymore. He became a joke and a running gage in this very movie with storm troopers avoiding him because he is annoying like in some caroton.
>>64014441
Ah right that makes sense
I put it down to the fact that he didn't have a focusing crystal or something.
>>64014311
It's definitely worse than II and III. What do people see in it? All it had was the old actors and nostalgia. That's all.
>>64013805
Ben quiere ser hardcore pero su lightside no lo deja
>>64014492
Shit, focusing LENS
>>64014219
cant breath
>>64014353
Because it looks cool and he wants to be cool. So you are probably right and the writing of those movies just is this bad and the characters this bland.
>>64014454
>this guy's motivation seems complex but it can't be complex because that doesn't match my narrative that the movie is terrible so it must be dumb in ways that we don't know yet
if this isn't bait I feel sorry for you man :)
>>64014454
>Implying people never misinterpret what people say and fuck up.
You have no idea what Luke told him or didn't tell him.
All we know is that he became obsessed with Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker.
He's extremely inexperienced and brash, he's going to fuck up fights.
It's like you went to the pisser during your screening or something and didn't watch the movie.
>>64014454
The worst thing he did was freezing a plasma shot, though. It was always the strongest argument for "why they don't use normal guns and bullets in Star Wars, force users could easily stop them." Now we know they can also just stop plasma shots and we have shitty writing for all 7 movies since the only reason there no normal bullets now is because then light sabers wouldn't make sense since they couldn't deflect bullets like some cool animu ninjas.
RUINED.
His character would work if his master wasn't giant Voldemort sitting in his chair doing fuckall.
>>64014545
Why? That fits his character. He wants to hide his insecurity and his hatred of himself. Plus the mask does make him more intimidating.
I can see him being bullied by his appereance, increasing his self doubts, then building the mask and feeling comfortable.
>>64014612
I feel sorry if his motivations (explain what you mean, please) seem complex to you.
>>64012205
Rey kind of has a setup motivation to turn to the darkside. If its reveled that Luke abandoned her and fucked over her mother I could see her turning to the darkside because she's pissed. It would be a more interesting direction for her than luke skywalker 2.0 I don't think she'd ever actually become a real villain though.
>>64014493
Agreed, the nostalgia was awful.
At least it was competent.
>>64014644
>You have no idea what Luke told him or didn't tell him.
I have the idea that Luke should have told him and basically everyone he knows, especially Leia who also is Ren's mother that his father and Ren's grandfather actually wasn't a disgusting monster but just a blind, angry man who once was tricked by a sith.
If this movie wants us to believe, Luke never told this little detail anyone, the whole new trilogy has fucking terirble shit writing.
>>64014702
Maybe she'll pull a Bastila, and Finn will play Revan.
>>64014663
Yeah the emperor parallel is so shit.
>>64014702
>implying they're not gonna pull a Revan in KotOR with her
>>64014686
>He wants to hide his insecurity and his hatred of himself.
>I can see him being bullied by his appereance, increasing his self doubts, then building the mask and feeling comfortable.
Please, no retarded Reddit headcanon. If you want to make Reddit posts, please just go to Reddit.
>>64014756
That would actually be pretty good.
By this point JJ may as well just steal everything from KoTOR
The only difference between this new Star Wars and the prequels is less talking. Less plot. Less story.
All this new movie has is constant action scenes, and beating around the bush as to what the fuck is actually going on in this galaxy far, far away.
I'm sorry but any real fan of Star Wars can tell that VII is completely different and feels separate from canon. Feels like fucking fanfiction.
People often said George should have less control. Having someone else direct made sense, he was obviously out of practice (you could tell that by III he was getting back to form).
So why the fuck would anyone applaud Disney for throwing away his outlines for VII-IX?
Is this really what fans wanted? A complete rehash of Lucas' old concepts, without being smart enough to actually follow the source materiel they're copying and pasting?
>>64014686
>Why?
Maybe because we don't like Naruto or Final Fantasy. Defending his pointless helmet is like defending Final Fantasy faggots and having hair right in their face all the time because they want to look like cool, little fuckboys when they have to fight the whole time and need perfectly clear sight.
>>64014821
It IS fanfiction. It's not written or made by the creator in any way. It's literally just bought and Jewed up for some quick money.
>>64014821
Less talking? Yes.
Less plot? At least this one makes sense.
Less story? ibid
I agree it was way too safe and relied on the OT way too much.
I hope to God episode VIII doesn't follow the same fate.
>>64014821
The prequels felt like fanfiction too though. Both the prequel trilogy and this sequel trilogy were bad ideas.
>>64014919
True, there is a part of me that feels like they should have left the whole thing alone.
>>64014756
>Finn will play Revan.
Get out
>>64011890
he saved the movie
>>64014919
The prequels are as canon as it gets, though. And they're a lot better than 7 and do many awesomet hings and have actors that are not physically retarded.
Deal with it.
>>64014984
Yeah, movie was pretty weak and too safe.
He was the best bit.
>>64011890
WE NEED MORE POE
>>64014790
are you retarded? it was pretty clear from the movie that he has hatred to himself cause he still feels the light side tug at him
>>64014999
You can the best actors you want.
If the writing is that crap it doesn't matter who says it.
>>64014999
>The prequels are as canon as it gets, though.
So is this one.
>And they're a lot better than 7
No they're not.
>and do many awesomet hings
If you're 12.
>Deal with it.
No.
Though whether or not you think the prequels are better than The Force Awakens is irrelevant to my point. You're more than welcome to like whatever you want. The prequels were still just as unnecessary as this trilogy.
>>64015057
I'm pretty sure you are retarded. I understand that you want to defend the first movie you watched in cinema, though.
>>64015037
Please.
He's so beautiful.
>>64012809
yeah, people talk about him being a conflicted character, which is true at the start, but he "knows what he has to do" and he does it. after he kills han, he doesn't seem to have any doubts.
maybe since his defeat he'll be conflicted again. we'll see.
>>64015092
>So is this one.
Maybe by your retarded Reddit defintion. The creator of this whole fucking universe has fucking nothing to do with it so I don't give a shit at all. Just as I don't give a shit about Dragon Ball shit Toriyama didn't write.
Have fun with your disgusting potato head NeoGAF approved Star Wars trilogy, though.
>>64015123
And completely ruined by terrile dialogues and writing.
Why even hugging? They barely know each other. Jesus, this movie was retarded and awkard.
>>64015110
I'm retarded because I can see the motivation of a character, that they couldn't have been less obvious about? He's insecure he will never live up to Vader.
The mask is too make himself an unknown figure, like Vader.
>>64014910
>WAAAAAAAAAAAH WHATEVER I DON'T LIKE IS FANFICTION WAAAAAAAAH CANON ENDS WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I KNOW BETTER ABOUT STAR WARS THAN THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
t. Babby
>>64015240
>less obvious
my mistake, meant to say more obvious
>>64014919
Ok dick.
Everyone here needs to rewatch episode I. You don't even need to watch the entire thing, try 30 min or so.
There is so much more new shit in the prequels that it still looks ground breaki g today compared to this new Star Wars that came out last week.
So many fucking costumes, set pieces, props, practical effects, and yes, cgi that still impresses. And all of it is fucking fresh, original.
The world seen in episode I is vast, huge, true visions of sci-if granduer. And it was all done by Lucas and his independent film company.
It's a tragedy that so few can appreciate all the work behind the prequels. Each film was a project that took 3 years.
We will never see anything new and original in Star Wars on that scale again. It would be considered too risky by Disney executives. It's safer to recycle material that's already proven successful.
In fact, it makes me realize that Disney threw out George's original storyline for the new trilogy simply because there were too many new ideas. As proven by the sequels, Lucas was passionate when it came to expanding his world, not recycle it.
>>64015157
Canonicity has nothing to do with who made it or oversaw it. It's an arbitrary label only used to make sense of continuous stories or connected stories.
What matters is whether or not it's a good story. The prequels weren't. They were awful, even with your precious George Lucas.
>>64015141
He better be a bad ass motherfucker to the likes of Vader by Episode 9. This is as much of his trilogy as it is rey's
>>64015201
Yeah, him magically reappearing was retarded.
It's like no-one proof read that part of the script.
I have a theory that Kylo did not kill all of Lukes apprentices, and that he really just lured them to the dark side, and that is who the knights of Ren are
>>64015262
>I KNOW BETTER ABOUT STAR WARS THAN THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I'm not the prequels shitposter, though, that's you. I respect and like Luca's work. I don't like what this random Star Trek/Lost(?) Jew is doing with his physically retarded actors and old actors straight outta rehab, though.
>>64015363
so is Snoke the leader of the Ren's, or is Kylo? cause if Snoke was wouldnt he have a Ren title?
>>64015308
>Everyone here needs to rewatch episode I.
And I stop reading there.
Little babi can't admit his film is complete shit even if it's original.
An original shit doesn't make it not a shit, son.
>>64015308
>Ok dick
Why are you so butthurt, friend? My point wasn't whether or not they were good, though. I don't care if you liked them or not.
I'm just saying they were just as fundamentally superfluous as the sequels.
>>64015454
how new r u
>>64015240
Are you 12?
He has no reason to "le live up" to Vader. No reason at all except for making retards like you go into the cinema and buy toys. Luke told him Anakin was actually a good guy (unless the writing is even worse than I think which I doubt).
And Vader needed the mask which he should know as well as the son of Leia and Solo and the nephew of Luke unless, again, the writing is absolute dog shit and we all are supposed to assume Luke never talked about Anakin and just let everyone, even his family and best friends believe he was a disgusting, sick monster.
>>64011890
>>64015262
The fact that the original outlines for VII-IX that had been worked on since the fucking 80s (remember, they were direct sequels back then) were thrown out settles this whole debate. Fuck jews, fuck Disney, and fuck you.
>>64015352
what was even funnier was Finn getting excited just from watching him fly the X-wing as though he knew enough about piloting as a janitor to recognize Poe just from that. the script was like "please love this character please".
>>64015312
All the prequel movies are better than 7 in every way there is except nostalgia and rehab actors which were actually kinda funny to see after such a long time.
And your definition is clearly characterized by the Jews. The creator of the fucking universe, the fucking world, characters, planets, elements, background and other shit, the guy whose whole idea this whole shit was has fucking n.o.t.h.i.n.g. to do with this. It is not canon by every non-retarded defintion.
>>64015567
He did take down multiple tie fighters, bomb multiple stormtroopers, and do some aerial stunts within a two minute span.
>>64015549
>sperg sperg sperg sperg sperg AND FUCK YOU
You're making a convincing argument for not being a babby
>>64015528
I just can't believe people defend this movie.
Then, it has a 9 on IMDB. This is a lot more shocking.
Btw, where is everyone who shit on the CGI in the prequels? This one was infested by green screens and Dreamworks CGI. the worst part was this piece of shit Dreamworks alien that had Luke's sword and the monster in the corridor. Why does no one care anymore?
>>64015520
It's not Anakin he wants to live up to, it's Vader, or the purpose of Vader if you will.
Plus its his Grandfather, who was one of the biggest Sith's of his recent history, doesn't matter if he had a last minute change of heart, no one but Luke knows
>>64015454
People who don't actually like Star Wars need to fuck off. It's their fault we're stuck with this new disney Star Wars cinematic universe bullshit.
>>64015691
>implying fuck IMDB ratings matter
>>64015732
the prequels are the opposite of starwars
>>64015478
>fundamentally superfluous
You must hate sci-fi, space opera and cyberpunk elements in film then. That sucks.
>>64015520
>He has no reason to "le live up" to Vader.
Vader was pretty much the strongest, most badass Jedi ever. As cool as Luke is I don't think he can attract that kind of hero worship from a confused young padawan, it probably didn't take more than a push from Snoke to convince him to Join the darkside and be like his spaceJesus grandfather.
>>64015633
I disagree, but I can respect your opinion. Still, though, VII isn't any less canon. That doesn't mean you have to care about it or its sequels. It just means its the story that's going to be acknowledged by all subsequent official material.
And no, it has nothing to do with "the Jews." All sorts of things work this way. Comic book canon, for example. Even actual religious canons involve various writers. Something being canonical just means it's official and acknowledged. VII is very much canon.
>>64015732
>Yeah, they're not TRUE STAR WARS FANS like me!
>Stop liking what I don't like!
Ask me why people all looked at us like retarded manchildren for liking Star Wars.
>>64015795
No, I just don't care for unnecessary elaboration of backstory we already knew. It has nothing to do with genres or settings.
>>64015683
>reasons, facts, history
>fuck you faggots for taking it all away by letting your opinions be swayed by Jews in media who were desperate to steal the biggest film property in the world from a Hollywood outsider
I don't see a problem here
>>64013724
what? no hes fucking not, are you blind? he's full fucking bean.
>>64015732
Wow, you are literally the most stereotypical hipster I've ever seen.
>>64015633
Calm down there bukacroo. George Lucas wasn't the sole creator of the Star Wars universe just because he was the director. Like many things it was more of a group effort between him and the people he worked with. Thinking that the original owner of a franchise should be the only one allowed to make canonical decisions about it is retarded.
>>64015896
None of which matters anymore because what's done is done, and you're still frothing at the keyboard on 4chan about fucking Star Wars. :^)
I kinda look like this guy, will i get loads of nerd pussy?
>>64015956
If George Lucas didn't have anyone to help him or say no, then the prequels would have never been made, as no one would have like it
>>64015956
>implying the colonel liked KFC
>>64015985
I'll need to see proof.
>>64015691
Exactly. Maz looked no better than jar jar, and jar jar's cgi, and jar jar was from like 1997.
Stupid motherfuckers
>>64014493
>worse than II
nah, family
>>64015985
>mfw thinking about growing my hear out so i can look like him
>>64015956
2bh the biggest problem in the movie is the worthless nigger who was put there just to appease SJWs and promote racemixing.
>>64011890
>>64011890
Eh, even fucking Dooku whose motivations we basically don't even know was better than this disgusting piece of shit. Not to mention a million times better actor who actually looked charismatic.
>>64015929
No, I just love Star Wars, ever since the special editions in theaters. I grew up with Star Wars. Star Wars comes from my hometown. I know Star Wars, and I care about it. This new shit is not Star Wars. Although it does work as a reboot, that was never the intention with the sequels
>>64016439
I disagree with you, but don't say this guy is a bad actor.
He completely changed everything about him in this movie in a convincing way, the problem you have shouldn't be with the actor, but the character himself
>>64016439
Now that's just retarded.
>>64016439
Nah, Lee was wasn't on that prequel trash
>>64016441
I say again.
You are literally the most stereotypical hipster I've ever seen. You assume that others don't give a toss about it because "I WAS HERE FIRST"
>>64016439
There was way more story and world building in attack of the clones than the force awakens.
You'd think the "show don't tell" aspect was some jj Abrams shit, but you know it's just the seeds of another "cinematic universe" milk machine. Works wonders for both the shitty writers of fan fiction and Disney executives bough
>>64011890
Why does he keep being pulled to the light? Does the force see him as a hero?
>>64012375
>I'd agree if it weren't for the fact he killed Han. I still think he'll have some kind of redemption arc, but I doubt he'll transition into being a protagonist. I think that would be a fundamentally more interesting story, but I don't think it's likely.
>>64012809
I still think it's pretty obvious Han ignited Kylo's lightsaber to save his son the full responsibility of killing his father. When Han looks at Kylo and says he would do anything for him, this is where he knows what must be done. This is also why Kylo says "thank you" after words. This will probably be planned out next episode as the twist.
I also think Rey is being played out to turn at some point other then what >>64012007
said she also has no memories of her past and shows moments of aggression in the movie. I mean the novelization even says she was hearing dark voices in her head during the fight with Kylo. Her song has dark themes in it as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nhlSIPO6o. Also her name and background is similar to pic related. Shit for some poetry I can see some shit next episode where Rey is fighting and loses her saber, and in anger tries to pull it back to her only for it to go straight to Kylo
>>64016722
Because he isn't a completely shit person, he just does shit things because he wants to be a shit person
>>64016632
You're just mad you have shit taste and can't comprehend the true ways of the force.
>>64016854
>can't comprehend the true ways of the force
Oh my God that actually gave me cancer.
>mfw /tv/ was wrong AGAIN
>>64015567
He said "That's one hell of a pilot!" he didn't specifically say it was Poe. He probably thought it was Poe just like everybody else thought it was Poe, cause he's the ace hot-shot pilot.
>>64012246
have you seen her her staff? that is some kung-fu tier weapon training.
>>64016895
Then you've been having cancer. Go back to reddit faggot
>>64015691
>>64015691
>Luke's sword
>sword
>>64016769
>shit person
Why? What's in it for him joining the dark side? There has to be a reason. Maybe Kylo was sent by Luke to get close to Snoke and kill him
>>64016944
Nah he didn't know it was Poe, it was just an observation, obviously.
Goddamn though, no wonder the prequels confuses so many people here.
>>64013714
>dat fucking picture
He just wasn't strong enough. The whiny baby-face nerd throwing tantrums aspect would be interesting if he were actually a threat. He got his shit pushed in by a noob jedi and actually struggled fighting a fucking janitor. He's laughable.
>>64017009
Have you ever seen Star Wars? The Dark Side has "unlimited" power. Kylo is one that just wants to be the best, another Vader if you will
He may have some depth to his character but he isn't that interesting. His best moments were his tantrums.
>>64017177
Have YOU ever seen Star Wars? The Dark Side is just one end of the same power. It isn't stronger or better, it's different.
Plus with the Light Side always winning how could you even say the Dark Side is more powerful?
>>64017145
He was toying with Finn, but it was kinda hard to notice the first time.
After he gets hurt by Finn, it takes 3 seconds for the KO
Also he does a whole bunch of different flashier moves that he doesn't do with Rey, as she proves an actual threat
>>64017145
He'll probably grow in power in the next film.
He's kind of meant to be inexperienced though.
I thought he wore the mask ironically edgy, not really trying to be edgy.
Like he has borderline personality disorder, and he wants to become a psychopath to remove all the pain of emotion, and the mask is a way for him to deny is connection to his past... not for him, but for other's who keep pestering him.
>>64015520
But the writing is dogshit. I never thought the EU shit would actually seem legit, but it does now. Where the fuck is the new Jedi order and futuristic metropolis post empire
O wait everything got blown up by a giant Death Star because everyone went into exile again. Time to restart xD
>>64017212
No way, the best moment was when he beat his chest like an autist at the end.
>>64011890
Not really, his whole character was edge lord McGee, he came across as a whiny bitch teenager, he was really pathetic and unintimidating the moment he removed his mask.
Phasma was a more intimidating villain than him, at least she came across as cold and harsh, an actual tyrant rather than the spoiled brat that was ren.
>>64017276
But that makes sense, he was hitting his wound made by Chewie.
He was releasing adrenaline
>>64013724
>His ancestry includes English, Dutch, German, Irish and Scottish
>>64017289
You missed the point.
He's meant to be inexperienced, brash and vulnerable.
Sorry he's not Vader 2.0 like you wanted, but I'm happy they went for something original.
>>64017316
Releasing adrenaline?
I'm pretty sure he was self-harming dude.
>>64017372
>He's meant to be inexperienced, brash and vulnerable.
Nothing wrong with that if he is still a threat despite all that. By the end of the movie he looks like a bitch. Not "unrefined but with great potential", just weak as shit.
>>64017372
The problem is Snoke in my opinion.
He is just as Whiny Ren, which is whine overload
>>64012007
>that means ben will be the good guy in the end right? he's basically the opposite of vader while rey is exactly like him
That's why he was so horrified when she read his mind and told him that. Because he knew she was the chosen one for Vader, not him.
>>64014646
Maybe it's hard to freeze more than one shot when you're inexperienced like Ren. Vader did that shit where he nullified Han's shots in Empire, remember?
>>64017408
Its an actual thing dude.
>>64017421
He still owned basically everyone he came across apart from the protagonist.
This whole "he's not a threat" thing needs to end.
>>64014999
Anakin: You are so…beautiful.
Padme: It’s only because I’m so in love.
Anakin: No. No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.
Padme: Then love has blinded you?
Anakin: Well…that’s not exactly what I meant.
Padme: But it’s probably true.
>>64015567
wut
He says "that's one hell of a pilot!" Which he is. He never says or implies that he knows that it's Poe.
I also don't find anything weird about them being glad to see each other again because they both seem like bros who get really hyped up about blowing shit up. It doesn't surprise me that they're similarly excited to see that the other survived after mutually saving each other's lives in the beginning of the movie.
>>64011890
He's an emo Vader.
Why does he even wear a mask? That's some faggot tryhard shit right there.
>>64017837
He wants to be a big guy like Vader.
>>64017421
He leaves Finn in a coma and then goes on to fight Rey despite having just been shot in the gut by the scifi equivalent of a .50 cal sniper. He's heavily bleeding throughout the entire scene and keeps hitting his wound to fuel his anger despite really fucked up.
>>64017834
>He never says or implies that he knows that it's Poe.
I didn't clearly hear what he said. It sounded like he said "that's my bro" or some shit and then it cuts to a closeup of Poe's face, implying he magically knows who it is. It's kind of a confusing scene.
Inb4 "you're just a retard"
>>64011890
What kind of music do you think that kylo listens to?
My best bet is NIN.
>>64017916
that's precisely what makes him shit. To have that motivation to be a key part of the character is both lazy and shitty writing.
>>64018011
He says something like "Now thats one hell of a pilot", not exactly that but along those lines, its heavily implied that he knows its Poe and it makes no sense since he doesnt know he is alive yet.
>>64017961
I don't know man. Logically that makes sense but it didn't feel right on the screen. Maybe it would have come across better if they emphasized the wound more than they did. I know they showed a little blood but if he was visibly moving slower it would have gone a long way to making him look badass instead of weak.
Really they should have had Chewie shoot him in the shoulder and disable one of his arms. Doing all that shit one-handed would have come across a lot better and been more believable that he gets beaten by a noob. Not to mention physically overpowered by a tiny girl, lmao.
>>64017421
You don't have to be powerful to be a good villain. The two are different things. He's a good evil character, if not super powerful.
Does anyone know wtf Rey was doing when they were standing saber to saber over the cliff, where the movie spent 15-25 seconds with her having her eyes closed?
>>64018101
>heavily implied that he knows its Poe
no it's not, he thought Poe died
>>64012007
>>64012063
If Disney had the balls to make Rey go evil and Ben go good I would fucking cum so hard.
But its obvious Rey will be a total mary sue goodie the entire time and Ben will sacrifice himself to save Rey at the end or some gay shit.
>>64018201
I know, thats what makes the scene so weird, why does he only notice and comment on the fighter with Poe in it?
>>64016939
/tv/ is always wrong. /tv/ in a nutshell is 'STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE."
>>64018190
She was communing with the force. Did you seriously not get that? Did you need her eyes to glow blue or something?
>>64018303
It sot troopers by him didn't it?
plus it was probably supposed to be a moment of light hearted fun... What Im saying is that it was supposed to be funny or clever to general audiences
>>64013512
>trying THIS FUCKING HARD to be contrarian
Pretty sure most people don't dislike him though. You're just making up a strawman.
>>64011890
He's another "rehash" to make you think of earlier Star Wars like everything else in the movie, except this time meant to evoke the prequels. He's an Anakin Skywalker, just done better acting/story-wise, but not nearly as powerful.
Out of all the call-backs to earlier Star Wars movies, I thought Kylo Ren was the best.
>>64018367
The more I see /tv/ whine about this movie the more i'm sure its good
/tv/ has literally never been right about a movie.
While we're on the subject of extrasensory perception:
A) How the fuck does Leia immediately know Han died?
B) How the fuck can they see when that laser cannon destroys planets NOWHERE NEAR the planet they are standing on? That was some preschool-level science fail. Worse than noise in space.
>>64012714
That's a really good plot.
>>64011890
>hilariously shit at everything
He is literally the most powerful force user seen in any of the films though.
>>64018333
>She was communing with the force.
Commuting with who?
They didn't develop his character any beforehand, which is essential if you want people to like an emo torn apart character. You can't just skip major events with a couple of lines (These are his parents so that explains EVERYTHING! No development needed lel) and expect people to appreciate a "deep" character with no events on screen to explain that depth.
Killing Han just adds to this, it is so stupid to kill an iconic character with an emo with literally no backstory shown on screen.
>>64018406
It's a 7/10
Good movie, Good Star Wars movie, just don't expect it to be Empire strikes back level of awesome
and this is coming from some who hates /tv/ because of its users who think everything is shit
>>64011890
>hilariously shit at everything
>literally follows no strategy and just swings his blade uncontrollably
>literally wears the mask to be edgy
>>64018424
Is this bait to bring back the OP?
What about Anakin, Sheev, Yoda or literally anyone else?
>>64018357
>a moment of light hearted fun
This was also the only thing that i could think of that made sense, but it just creates a bit of a dissonance with whats logical and whats happening.
>>64014353
He wears it to look intimidating, plus he says he's "destroyed" his previous self, so its to hide his "true" self.
>>64018417
>A) How the fuck does Leia immediately know Han died?
she is weak with the force, but still has a connection to it
>B) How the fuck can they see when that laser cannon destroys planets NOWHERE NEAR the planet they are standing on? That was some preschool-level science fail. Worse than noise in space.
JJ has literally no experience with Scale
>>64014493
All the prequels had was abysmal acting, dialogue worse than a Lifetime original movie, hardly any plot outside love shit and horrid full CGI sets that look out of place with live action actors.
Only good thing about the prequels is Sheev.
>>64018417
Leia is force-sensitive you dingus.
>How the fuck can they see when that laser cannon destroys planets NOWHERE NEAR the planet they are standing on?
I'm sorry, do you know the actual location of this fiction planet and how close in proximity the other planets are?
>>64018623
you can literally see mars, jupiter, saturn and venus with the naked eye at night, i'd imagine they'd be hard not to notice if they were being blown up with a space laser
