Guys guys...I think we fucked up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs
>>63957661
Feels bad... Man
>>63957661
nice, now do one with ANH and TFA
>>63957661
What have we done...
GOAT video
>>63957988
TFA doesn't do the same thing, it's literally just most of the plot of ANH lifted and copied without much actual thought.
>>63957661
>George Lucas's directing was literally 2 deep 4 me
Fuck
>>63959152
this
The difference between Prequel poetry and TFA "poetry" is subtlety.
Jar Jar was a mistake
Phantom Menace was plain bad
Clone Wars was okay, but it's undeniably slow
Revenge of the Sith was pretty good
Wait until the current trilogy is over and people will accept that 1-3 were just alright, nothing more, nothing less.
>>63959221
are you saying the prequels were subtle in their callbacks and references?
We haven't even gotten into Ring Theory yet.
>>63959242
if you think 2 and 3 better than 1 please kill yourself
>>63959242
All of them were still better than the swamp planet shit from The Empire Strikes Back.
>>63959242
terrible post
>>63959326
More than TFA.
>>63957661
I've got some Poetry for you, famfam
>>63959338
That guy's been posting stuff about how George's apparently terrible stage direction was really a deliberate artistic choice to more closely emulate 30s movies prior to modern acting methods. Got direct quotes and everything.
I'm not sure what to believe anymore.
>>63959603
>>63957661
Pottery
>>63959617
Show 'em.
Lucas is a mad man, I'll believe that much.
>>63959493
not really
the reason why the 'poetry' stuff sucked in the prequels was because it was shoved in for no reason, like anakin building c-3p0
TFA is a passing of the torch. granted some stuff was just uninspired like starkiller base, but some of it made sense, like tying in luke & co's legacy to the future generation of the rebellion.
>>63959493
this
>>63959749
yes really
>>63959617
The prequels clearly have classical influences (naboo, the way they talk, the music)
>>63959903
>yes really
a very convincing argument
>>63959932
touché
>>63959932
you dont have much of an argument beyond vague nitpicking
>>63959688
There are more if you want.
>>63959903
>The prequels clearly have classical influences (naboo, the way they talk, the music)
The one I noticed is the incredibly placid camera-work. Dude likes his wide shots, steady cam, and simple transitions. Like, a lot. Like, "let's film this stage play it's the year 1920" a lot.
anyone knows the music that plays in the background of the video?
>>63960397
Yeah, I was wondering about that too.
>>63960397
darude: sandstorm
>>63960397
I found it!
>Ludovico Einaudi - Experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VONMkKkdf4
Not the hero we deserved, but the one we needed.
>>63959603
Why is he always so sweaty?
>>63960597
He's supposed to be scared or something. His character makes no sense.
>>63960597
Maybe all storm troopers are really sweaty inside, and that's why they can't fight properly because the sweat always gets in the way.
>>63960104
you don't have one at all
>>63957661
The true poetry is that much like the prequels, here the choice of score to the video gives it more depth and emotion than the visual content itself.
>>63957661
can't wait for the ANH vs. TFA one
>>63959654
Great hair
>>63960597
Running from thepoe-poe
If this montage gives you feels, it's only because of the music.
No shit
I swear most of guys praising the prequels havent even watched them recently. Shit even ROTJ had pottery
>>63961022
Maybe you're right, I'm a massive Einaudifag.
>>63959749
Who wins at torch passing? Star Trek Generations (1994) or Star Wars Force Awakens (2015)
>>63959373
you first
2 is the best prequel
>>63961232
What is it about Einaudi that all his good songs sound exactly the same?
>>63957661
What have we done guys?
>>63959242
>Clone Wars
>>63959603
>>63959654
There's a difference between mirroring the events of the past/future, and a shitty callback.
Finn rescuing Poe is example of Lucas-style "poetry."
Finn rocking side to side in the Falcon's turret controls, or tossing away the training droid, was just referential humor thrown in to get an easy response out of the fans.
Anakin looking towards Sidious as he shocks the shit out of Mace Windu is poetry.
Obi-Wan saying "Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?" to Anakin is referential humor.
>mike few years ago
>i hate the prequels because of too much pottery
>mike today
>i love TFA because too much pottery
>>63962028
I HATE SAND
>>63960728
elaborate?
>>63963981
You mean
>mike today
>realized most of his fanbase are redditors that dont use adblock
He shills movies straight up, whilst when he does commentary tracks he is being ones because no one will see them
>>63964038
Of course Anakin would hate sand.
>>63957661
Why the fuck im crying?
>>63963981
>mike today
>I don't even care anymore, just send me more money Disney
>Obi Wan was Luke
Holy shit
>>63959749
You do realize that Anakin building C-3PO is not Poetry, right?
There's a difference between callbacks and poetry.
Callbacks, are direct references to or reappearances-/cameos of characters and events in the other trilogy.
Poetry is where scenes are redone in the same style or similar context, or plot elements are re-used.
The trilogy's hero being a kid from Tatooine who has gifts he doesn't quite understand yet, and steps into a world much larger than what he ever knew in both trilogies? Poetry.
C-3PO being a character? Callback.
Hero distinguishing themselves by using their talents to destroy a key enemy weapon, and save an entire planet from destruction, making them a hero? Poetry.
The fact that it's literally another space-sphere (though with some creativity)? Callback.
With TPM and the rest of the movie, poetry was there a lot, but the plot didn't revolve completely around poetry.
In TFA, I honestly couldn't tell you what part of the story besides the starting raid on Jakku ISN'T poetry or a call back.
Maybe Han's big ship, but even that is borderline.
>>63960206
>pic
This explains why Lucas is terrible at writing dialogue.
>>63960968
How did nobody notice this double-entendre.
>>63964154
AND YOUNGLINGS
>Rebels resort to living on an ice planet in hiding
>Sheev didn't feel the rebellion was such a problem
>Empire get BTFO
>30 years later the imperial remnants go hiding on an ice planet
>New Republic don't feel the First Order a threat
>New Republic pending BTFOIts like poetry
>>63964448
lazy callbacks =/= poetry
>>63964448
So maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the opening crawl (literally the only piece of exposition we get in the entire movie) but remind me:
Did it really say that the Republic didn't see the First Order as a threat?
Most guides and whatever to the movie state that the reason the Republic doesn't like the Resistance, is because they are afraid that Leia will aggravate a war with the First Order.
That sounds like seeing them as a major threat.
>>63959242
Attack of the Clones is by far the worst. Revenge of the Sith is better than AOTC and TPM but it's not good at all.
>>63959432
Shit taste.
>>63964162
Because music. I can't believe there are people who insist that the prequels were anything but complete shit. Kek.
>>63957661
Everything in this series repeats itself. The force is a will of its own that influences others and keeps a cycle going
>>63960206
Now I want to go back and watch the prequels with no dialogue. I bet they're masterpieces.
>>63964540
No point in trying to make sense of a plot that was never meant to make sense, Jar Jar Abrams doesn't care about petty things such as cohesive plot and believable character development.
>>63957661
A true auteur of cinéma. Bravo Lucas. ;_;
>>63964275
Hating the sand was a gateway to killing children.
Sand reminds him of his days as a slave child. In turn, children themselves remind him of the hell that was Tatooine.
This mirrors his return to Tatooine, in which his vengeful rage against the Tusken raiders for killing his mother causes him to slay Tusken children.
This all in turn ties in with his nightmare about Padme dying in childbirth. Again, Anakin is assaulted with the concept of a mother figure dying, which serves as the catalyst for his paranoia-driven fall to the Dark Side.
Anakin is a violent pedophobe.
It's like poetry.
>>63964666
I guess you're right.
Thanks for setting me straight, Satan.
>>63964663
OT and to a larger extend the prequels use a lot of theatre play and silent movie techniques to portray emotion.
For example, most of the sets are big like in a theatre stage and you have the characters pacing around dramatically and using the space available to them unlike TFA which has a very different cinematographic personality.
People who say TFA is more similar to the OT are idiots that can't see past the superficial obvious shit.
>>63964540
Isn't the Rebellion the only reason the New Republic exists in the first place? You would think the New Republic would be intrinsically and openly allied with the rebellion (now, Resistance) whether they wanted to continue waging war or not because of course the Imperial Remnants would only see the New Republic as an extension of the rebellion anyway.
>>63957661
I think it too...
where is george lucas when we need him?
>>63957661
>it was 2deep4me
I-I am sorry George, pls come back
>>63964870
Well, the British are the main reason America had the resources to get as big and successful as it did.
Didn't stop the 13 colonies from shoving a dick down their throat when the British's presence became an inconvenience.
While I think the movie's plot in general is utter bullshit this one thing makes sense.
The New Republic is young. It's probably still recovering from the Empire's dispersement, and the massive hole in the economy that should've been left from the construction of 2 Death Stars and a brand new imperial navy in the ~20 years the Empire existed.
The last thing they want is go to war, and if the Resistance keeps doing its thing, they'd probably want to distance themselves.
>>63957661
TFA taught me that sometimes a flawed vision is better than no vision at all.
>>63959432
Here's your response.
>>63964540
its literally canon
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Military_Disarmament_Act
>>63965057
I can understand that.
But if even the New Republic, the guys who won their independence, can't afford to be officially associated with their liberators or even keep tabs on the First Order's machinations, how the fuck did the First Order get funding for yet another, even bigger Deathstar?
The implications just blow my mind. NOBODY decided to spy on an empire that has already proven itself to be trigger-happy when it comes to wiping out billions of people in one stroke? NOBODY noticed a weapon the size of a planet being built by public enemy #1 of the galaxy? NOBODY decided to sabotage, or even outright declare war because of, said project before it was already complete and out of hand?
At a certain point, doomsday weapons stop being intimidating because they actually motivate everybody else to destroy you. I can believe not one, but two Death Stars got made, but I can't believe a starkiller got made after all that.
and now theres still people that spout
>TFA WAS A REHASH AT LEAST THE PREQUELS WHERE ORIGINAL
whenever they can
yeah showing Tatooine again in I and making every sith have a red lightsaber is very original friends ;)
>>63959242
Why do people think Revenge of the Sith is a good movie
It's better than 2 but worse than 1
>>63965549
>But if even the New Republic, the guys who won their independence, can't afford to be officially associated with their liberators or even keep tabs on the First Order's machinations, how the fuck did the First Order get funding for yet another, even bigger Deathstar?
Oh that's simple.
It was in the script.
As I said, it's all a bunch of bullshit, but just the one note about the Republic being cautious about military action, that much makes a little bit of sense.
Everything else feels like the run of the mill skull fucking of a franchise that's been so popular lately.
>>63965270
Fuck.
That's Russian Provisional Government level bullshit, and that fucks officer in the army an electeble position (aka soldiers now may only follow orders of the commanders they've elected). In a middle of a fucking world war. No wonder that they ended up like that. The one who wrote that must be a retard of massive scale, even bigger then the one who considered it canon-worthy.
>>63965673
>TFA full of callbacks
>wow vapid ripoff "POTTERY"!
>PT full of callbacks
>wow George we're so sorry come back ;_;
Oh, right, but when JJ did it, it wasn't genuine, and only for marketing.
Star Wars 8
Echoes of the Force
>>63964448
that trailer was fucking awful btw
>>63965849
You find this canon ridicolous?
Please, allow me to take you down memory lane to the last franchise J.J. rebooted:
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/nero
>tl;dr:
The antagonist of the 2009 Star Trek, was some random Miner captain, who got so mad at the fact that his homeworld's sun exploded and killed his family that:
>He took his mining vessel
>Went out into space
>Hunted down a Borg vessel (biggest baddest mother-fuckers you can encounter short of pissing of the Q-Continuum who are effectively gods)
>Salvaged said Borg vessel
>Used the salvage to retrofit his mining vessel into a functional warship
>Went back to his home system
>And attacked Spock who just arrived
>And he did this in minutes/hours tops, since Spock barely got there too late to save his planet
There is no reason to be surprised when these stories are utter bullshit.
>>63957661
Did anyone else tear up?
>>63957661
>>63959035
>>63957802
Hey dumbshit, "we" didn't do anything. the "poetry" thing is a quote taken from George Lucas
You stupid fucking idiot, jesus fuck you disgust me
>>63966002
>not knowing the difference between pottery and callbacks
TFA had lots of callbacks
PT had callbacks AND pottery, but you were too dense to notice it
>>63966204
Well it's time-warped and very Mary Sue (Borg vessel part) but not retarded at least. Something like
>The Republic's chancellor, Mon Mothma, wanted to reduce the military power of the Republic in an effort to decentralize it and avoid the mistakes made by the Galactic Republic during the Clone Wars.
could have been written only by someone who knows literally nothing about government or military.
>>63959373
1 is better than 2, but 3 is best because of Sheev.
>>63966515
True, but I'd stay by that example also being retarded.
I mean seriously, the "mining captain" part is important.
This is just some fucknut who couldn't get a better job than captaining a mining vessel, and he could retrofit that thing into a warship?
It's the kind of bullshit that completely obliterates any credibility the setting has.
>>63964840
>People who say TFA is more similar to the OT are idiots
no they say that because it's literally a rehash of plot and characters, you pretentious twat
>>63966995
>proving his point
GOAT thread
>mfw I spent years on a chinese cartoon board shitposting against Lucas
>mfw he's actually the lesser of evils
S-Sorry George. I take back every meme I said.
>>63968756
This is Superman picture is probably the closest I came to relating to the character.
Figures I see it on /tv/ instead of /co/.
>>63965270
Mon mothma has been ruined for me as a character
What a dumb bitch
>>63957661
Kek, you fucked up. I always liked the prequels and after 7 like them even more with a charismatic cast that has chemistry and no fucking literal retards and old actors that are only there for a nostalgia factor and get killed off because too expensive.
>>63969381
This. Dooku, Anakin, Kenobi, Muffin Dindu, Neeson were all well casted and entertaining too watch, also Yoda.
>>63968756
>>63969381
Prequel shitposting is the most mainstream trait there is.
>>63969475
>mainstream is bad
hello reddit
>>63957661
You could make the same video for ANH and TFA.
It'd just be both films playing in their entirety, one on top of the other.
>>63969580
>mainstream is somehow not bad
Hello, Reddit?
so i just re-watched the prequels and i have to say these actually get a lot of undeserved hate. you can tell there was love and craft put into these worlds. varied creatures, some of the most alien and beautiful worldbuilding i've ever seen. yeah the script is bad but holy shit these settings and designs are beautiful. these are a work of a man who cares deeply for star wars.
>phantom menace
character design - 10/10
world building - 10/10
plot - 7/10
>clone
character design - 9/10
world building - 10/10
plot - 5/10
>sith
character design - 10/10
world building - 10/10
plot - 7/10
i would rank them above TFA, below the OT.
>>63957661
Goddammit, prequels have so many powerful and great scenes. No idea how this whole "Lucas is a monster, prequels are the most terrible thing ever" meme became a thing. It always seemed so random to me and seeing how the majority now loves this mediocre 7, I have confirmation that I shouldn't take any of this hate seriously.
>>63969442
That picture, you all now relaze the symbolism of that. Anakin is holding both blue light saber of the light side jedi and the red of the sith, representing his state between light and dark side and the up-coming turning point where he has to choose one.
The poetry!
>>63959603
worst CGI ever the monkey looks like plastic.
>>63970137
>Blue lightsaber in his right
>Red lightsaber in his left
>Jesus saves those on his right hand
POETRY
OERTY
ERTY
RTY
TY
Y
>>63969889
It's literally a meme spawned from the "Jar Jar is kinda annoying" sentiment.
>>63957661
I disliked the resemblance to IV at first but when I thought about it, the resemblance was a good thing for this movie because it is pretty much a reboot of Star Wars. VII was like, yeah that was the star wars you knew mixed with what star wars will be now. What it did well is establish great characters to carry on the legacy of Star Wars from the past. VIII will be a departure from the OT and will have a more unique story and the callbacks will be more subtle. It has been so long since IV that a reboot would feel better than picking up with an original story after the 32 years since RotJ. The movie was spectacular and all I worry about now is VIII topping VII. I bet when VIII comes out people will think it isn't as good as VII because it will be different from the OT, or it could be disappointing because it doesn't take it's own path and still relies heavily on the OT instead of becoming its own unique adventure with the great new characters that were created. I'll choose to be optimistic since VII was a lot better than I expected and was the first thing to live up to hype in a very long time.
Side Note: watching in 3D was incredible. It gives a lot of depth which made me feel more immersed in the experience. Should 3D be the new standard? I don't see any downsides compared to 2D unless you're physically unable to watch 3D correctly.
>>63959617
I thought this was common knowledge.
They suck a whole lot less (other than a few especially bad lines of dialogue) when you take this into account.
>Lucas' Prequel trilogy actually had some level of depth to it with the Separatists being mere puppets for Chancellor to exact his coup d'etat
>Disney's trilogy is Capeshit with lightsabers
Instead of selling this to Disney, Lucas should've instead hired a co-director.
>>63971253
What Lucas should have done, is find some sort of loophole that allows him to give the rights to a plant, and then declare that he gave all the rights to Star Wars to one of those multi-thousand year trees and mushrooms in the world.
Ain't no one can buy it from a plant. Ain't no one can act on behalf of the plant.
The rights would have been safe forever, and we'd have been left with the Star Wars that we used to know.
>>63957661
It's not pottery, just a fucking rehash.
>>63971463
TFA is a rehash. The prequels are pottery.
>>63959338
In the commentaries on TPM Lucas explains that the movies are meant to play out like silent pictures, which they obviously do. I think people are disappointed by them because they're slow paced, sensitive, and ultimately kids movies. Most the lines inTPM are dubbed and I personally think the actors are directed to under act so we (or at least the target audience which aren't narrow minded with expectations) think of broader themes. and same with how the plots told really oddly and the princess was always the main heroine who annakin met and how that kind of shit doesn't even matter.
>>63970418
>tfw it's true
I saw how it all started. Everyone liked the movies and then loved III. Somehow the Jar Jar hate turned into "worse than cancer" hate.
Borderline retardation. And the best part is Jar Jar isn't even that bad.
Revenge of the Sith is better than Return of the Jedi
>>63971253
Well, she is adorable.
>>63960206
aannnnd then he goes on to make "exposition the trilogy"
TFA definitely has some of its own internal "poetry" though.
>Rey and Finn are both introduced in scenes where their faces are concealed
>both get dramatic reveal shots where they remove their helmet/mask
>>63957661
It's still Poetic
>>63972358
And both have troubled pasts, both grew up under the foot of someone/something, neither of them know who they were before they ended up where the story starts, they both spend the entire movie running away from what is expected of them except for saving each other, they both have basically the same amount of/type of social skills, they both are pretty much instantly trusted/liked by everyone they meet, etc.
They're basically the same character, except the plot throws them around slightly different, and one of them can do anything they put their mind to in almost an instant.
BRING BACK LUCAS
WE DONT WANT PLOT, GOOD DIALOGUE OR CHARACTERS WE CARE ABOUT JUST MORE POETRY
>>63972767
YEAH, WE WANT CAPESHIT IN SPACE!
>>63972398
That scene in TFA was so fucking retarded. Why was Han even in the movie? He had none of the charisma and charm of the OT. Let the old man retire for fucks sake.
>>63972767
>WE DONT WANT PLOT, GOOD DIALOGUE OR CHARACTERS WE CARE ABOUT
TFA had less of that than the prequels. I gave way more fucks about Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan in the prequels than Forced Diversity Character and Retired Old People.
>>63972767
lucas pottery>jj filmmaking skills
>>63959152
I loved TFA, but it's my main criticism about the movie (and Jurassic World, now that I think about it).
It markets itself as a sequel, when in reality all it really wants is to be a reboot. So it ends up telling the same story in the process.
It's a damn good story, I mean, that's why we all love Star Wars, but it's irritating that the Empire never fucking learns. "Oh, our last 2 Death Stars blew up, I guess 3rd time's the charm!"
It seems like the ONLY thing the Empire learned was that clone soldiers is a bad idea. And to be honest, the Stormtroopers were NOT the problem with how the Empire was run.
>>63957661
a glib frogsimile
>>63970806
As of now, 3D only shines in IMAX, other cinemas do it rather poorly.
I'm not okay with something that basically rapes my eyes for 2 hours and makes me pay for it.
>>63972875
He was meant to be some sort of fatherly figure to Rey, a 'master'. All that banter in the Falcon and teaching her about the Force, taking her to Maz Kanata, supporting her, rescuing and what not.
So like Quin-Gon, and like Obi-Wan he was basically destined to die. That's Star Wars to you.
I'm not gonna judge the trilogy based off TFA, however the fact that I enjoyed E3 a shit ton more than TFA is worrying. It was just bland as fuck, it was a rehash of ANH and the final scene was like something out of a cheap fan fiction movie.
Also Rey is a mary sue, it's actually ridiculous.
>Obi-Wan " I hate flying, flying is for droids "
>Anakin "WOO" was a great pilot
>Rey " I've never flown before" proceeds to pilot the MF and understand a ship better than Han
>She was using the force
Luke using the force to guide a missile into a shaft isn't the same as piloting a star ship after having never used one.
5/10 Mad as fuck jew jew jewed me
