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WAKE UP /WHO/ edition

last dead >>63895692
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Sorry, been caught up in Star Wars hype. Really need to switch gears to Christmas Special hype.

The fuck is that image?
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>Two threads again
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>>63917806
It's fan film some here like force
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>>63917743
>a glib genderfluid facsimile
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>>63917856

my bad, when I was in the catalog there wasn't a /who/ thread because the last one archived before anyone made a new one
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>>63917896
No problem m8
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is /who/ actually ded for good? We have a new episode in 3 days even
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Right, this thread has more posts and was made first so I'm going to bump this one. Save me /who/, /tv/ is even more atrocious than usual today
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>>63918701
This is possibly the least hyped episode since Wardrobe.
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>>63918701
Literally no one cares about River except Moffat.
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>>63918768
>>63918785

what if it ends up being fun and river works better with 12?
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>>63918821
Great, I hope it does.
But I know it won't. She's a shit character.
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I wish Class has Clara or even Danny or anybody from the main show. Like imagine Torchwood without Jack, no one would watch it. I mean I'm still going to watch it but still, it barely feels like a spin off.
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#BringBackRTD
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>>63920722
We don't even know what its about yet besides the fact that its gonna be edgy
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>>63920722
In hindsight, I WOULD watch Torchwood without Jack. But yeah, no one would have cared about it in the first place.
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>>63920722
I think the idea of a guest appearence or two will be what you have to settle for. I mean, the writer P. Ness (can't use that joke enough) has said he wants to do a lot of new stuff rather than just recycling ("Look, it's the Weeping Angels, everybody!"), but without some little bit of recycling, why even call it a spin-off from Who?
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Class has to have a guest appearance by Ian Chesterton as the headteacher.
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This is the new companion.
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>>63921301
Forced memes still need to be at least a little bit funny.
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>>63921191
I hope Capaldi is in an episode. Although it would be rather sad seeing 12 at coal hill without Clara..
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>>63921387
It's not a meme. It's the truth.
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>>63921539
haha.
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>>63921539
Moffat hates gays.
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/12/21/the-thick-of-it-removed-from-the-cover-of-amazing-spider-man-5/

Anyone think Titan comics were the deal-breaker for Marvel here?
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>>63922024
He's not gay...?
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>>63922355
Only for Gatiss
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http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-complete-ninth-series-boxset-79094.htm

Full details of series nine box set
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>>63922405
I meant >>63921301 isn't gay.
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>>63922504
I wonder what the final artwork will look like. I thought the S8 cover looked pretty cool.
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>>63922279
Why would Titan Comics have to sign off on the likeness of a character from The Thick Of It?
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>>63922504
Why can't they give us commentaries for every episode?
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>>63922628
Commentaries have been gimped for pretty much the whole of Moffat's run, I'm surprised they even did that many this year (even if they are all profoundly uninteresting choices).
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>>63922628
Probably money
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>>63922504
>£56
no thanks
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>>63922665

The RTD years had a great commentary for pretty much every episode. David Tennant + Russell T. Davies + Steven Moffat together is hilarious.
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>>63922665
They couldn't even get Jenna and Pcap to sit down and talk about the final three episodes?
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>>63922755
Maybe in a couple of decades when they re-release it all as Classic Who (and everyone involved has become irrelevant) we'll get some GOAT banter commentaries like the ones on the classic DVDs
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>>63920942
Not until you
#BringBackStudioAPPP
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>>63922665
What I wouldn't give for more commentaries for some of my favorite shows. Not /who/ related, but Fringe had 20 some odd 44 minute to hour long episodes per season, but only one or two commentaries per season, shit had me furious.
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>>63922586
'Cause Capaldi is on the cover too, and Titan publish Twelfth Doctor comics.
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>>63921301
Is it bad if I want his dick?
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A tear, /who/?

Where there's an active poster, there's....
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>>63924525
shitposters
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HOW CAN WE SAVE /WHO/?
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>>63924918
Fuck off
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>"After three years [of being a Doctor Who showrunner] it's a conversation every time. And I do say to the BBC, "I'm not going to be upset or take offense or be upset or go in huff if you say it's time to bring somebody else in." I really won't. Just give me time so we can make it a good transition."

>"Clickbaiting monsters make up all sorts of things about you just to try and get the words Doctor Who and, god help me, Sherlock into the same headline, saying they're both doomed and made by evil people."
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Harness on University Challenge
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holy fucking shit

I was looking at the IMDB page for the new Star Wars

m8 Freema Agyeman was in it and we didn't even know it
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>>63927252
gr8 b8 m8
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>>63927442
I'm not fucking around here m8

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/fullcredits/

literally the first one under the "Rest of cast listed alphabetically" section
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Is there any incest in Doctor Who? I want to make an incest page on TARDIS wiki.
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>>63927599
Closest I can think of is irl Tennant getting with Moffet
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>>63922504
>Sophie Stone doing commentary
wow that'll work
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>>63928037
She's deaf, not mute.
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>>63927599
>>>/b/
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Just finished season 8, it was cool as fuck when he skydived toward the tardis
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>>63927599
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Incest
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>>63928255
Fuck off
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>>63929211
Fuck off
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>season 8
>skydived toward the tardis
Its Series 8 m8. Season 8 was years ago
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>>63929390
You knew what I meant
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Is the Christmas special bingo done lads?
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>>63929689
Fuck off
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>>63922717
That is a crazy price to pay for a boxset, maybe in the region of £30 seems reasonable but almost £60 is taking the piss
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>>63929379
Fuck off
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>>63929689
Fuck off
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64fr8rKBNdY Holy shit I've always been against a Black Doctor but i'm actually up for patterson joseph after Capaldi does his time. He's actually great.
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>tfw perkins will never become a companion who just hangs out in the tardis fixing shit and occasionally appears in the episodes

BRING BACK PERKINS
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>>63930909
Frank Skinners too bust m8
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>>63931160
but he only has to show up occasionally
and they can have a running gag where he gets lost in the tardis and isn't seen for another 3 or 4 episodes
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>>63931204
No.
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Has Amelia Earhart ever been featured/mentioned in an episode?
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THE GLOBALISTS MAKE ME WANNA THROW UP!!!
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>>63931322
why not
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>jenna will never slap your face with her sweaty feet while she tells you about the capaldick.

Why live?
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>>63931943
YOU MAKE ME WANNA THROW UP!!!
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>https://twitter.com/AdamOrford1/status/679055968387362816
TRIGGERED
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>>63927482
Huh, according to this link she was one of the crowd on that planet what got blown up by the Starkiller Base. I didn't recall seeing her, anyone got a cap from the camrip? http://moviepilot.com/posts/3691850
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>>63930638
Only if David Mitchell as Mark Corrigan is the companion.
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>>63932374
Fucking lol

Are you guys ready for the Christmas
L
U
S
T
E
R

F
U
C
K
?
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>>63931943
Not everyone has a foot fetish like you anon
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>>63932625
Fucking lol
Are you guys ready for the Christmas
L
U
S
T
E
R

F
U
C
K
?
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THE GLOBALISTS MAKE ME WANNA THROW UP!!!
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>>63932374
>creep
>ginger
>and an SJW

Is there anything likable about this guy?
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>>63933135
the fact that he'll never procreate
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>>63932798
faluster fuck?
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>>63933217
>dat cringey attempt he made to chat up that other set reporter on twitter
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>>63933246
It's Luster Fuck, as in a fuck with lust
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>>63933390
what? when was this? link?
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>>63931473
She's in Time-Flight.
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>>63933464
https://twitter.com/AdamOrford1/status/601059442558373888

He's still trying:
https://twitter.com/search?q=_slmadison%20From%3AAdamOrford1&src=typd

Kid also loves his babestation:

https://twitter.com/search?q=xxx%20From%3AAdamOrford1&src=typd
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>>63931473
That's something TARDIS Wiki's autism can help you with.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Amelia_Earhart
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>>63933464
Do you not read your own twitter?
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>>63933663
>Orford tweeting to Babestation models
HAHAHA
how have i never seen this before?
He's like that fat guy from human centipede 2
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>>63933663
HAHAHAHA:
https://twitter.com/AdamOrford1/status/390245094453821440

This one looks north of 60:
https://twitter.com/AdamOrford1/status/392357369100779520
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so what's this shite I'm hearing about Series 10 coming very late next year
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>>63934130
a ruse
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>>63934098
Rapey wapey pervert literally confirmed.
Hope someone caps these in case he deletes them.
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>>63934281
No wonder he wanted that sweet jenna poon. She's probably the first actual girl he's talked to.
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Has anyone got this photo without the shitty watermark?
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Reminder that there are autists who get annoyed when they see this shot because it isn't 'realistic'.
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>>63934382
if i had twitter i'd troll the shit out of this fat rapist
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>>63934130
Series 9 began filming on 5 January 2015. According to Digital Spy, filming for Series 10 won't start until April or May 2016.
Moffat confirmed that they're going to produce a full season of 12 episodes and a Christmas special, but he doesn't know when it will air.
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>>63934497
Reminder that there are people that actually ignore the Doctor telepathically asking a wooden door to open
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>>63931204
I'd be happy with that
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>>63934657
telekinesis isn't a shocking new concept m8
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>>63934657
Ask yourself what it actually is you object to about that scene.
>Doors don't actually have souls
thatsthejoke.gif
I might even agree if the scene were some huge plot point, but he opens the door to find a brick wall. His most ridiculous way of getting past a locked door and it's all for nothing.
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>>63934885
>Ask yourself what it actually is you object to about that scene.

That if he could always do this, why hasn't he in any other situation? How about deadlock seals, could he not telepathically connect to those?
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>>63934657
You should have stopped watching after Last of the Time Lords if something like that bothered you. The Doctor literally used psychic powers in the series 3 finale to de age himself from a shriveled house elf back to normal.
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>>63934994

He didn't know he could do it, he'd never tried before. He only did it out of absolute desperation and was shocked it worked. Plus, it was in the confession dial, someone could have just been fucking with him. He never actually mentions the door telepathically responding, he just talked to it and it opened.
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>>63935048
Tapping into the matrix of some huge psychic network connecting billions and getting whatever powers is one thing, using your own telepathy to open wooden doors is another
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>>63935144
Yeah, the latter is fucking nothing.
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>>63935048
>You should have stopped watching after Last of the Time Lords

Let's be honest, if we had any self-respect we all would have done so.
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>>63934994
Meh, inside the confession dial so doesn't really count.

My biggest problem with the episode is that's it's just one big gimmick with great music.
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>>63935135
He says it's an old trick

>I used to know a trick, back when I was young and telepathic. Clearly, you can't make an actual psychic link with a door, for one very obvious reason - they're notoriously cross. I mean, imagine life as a door. People keep pushing past you. All of that knocking, but it's never for you. And you get locked up every night, so if you're just a little bit nice...

Dude could've used it multiple times before then in other episodes, and there's now little to no reason he can't try it in newer episodes yet we all know he won't.
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>>63935048

My headcanon is that the Master set up the satellite network using technology from that race who used words to do shit. It was sapping the Doctor's life force and giving it to the Master by using every person on the planet to power the system. He used the drum signal which sent the power to the him because the drum sound and his mind are linked. But then making everyone think of the Doctor reversed the signal and gave the Doctor back his life force, while also giving him extra power because of the satellite network connecting so many minds together.

It's a better explanation than just having everyone pray to Doctor Jesus arbitrarily, anyway.
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>>63935264
>My biggest problem with the episode is that's it's just one big gimmick

This.

Plus the reason he didn't confess for so long was because of fucking Clara, anything would have been better than that.
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>>63935252
No, the former enters into territory we know nothing about but that we know can do ridiculous shit.

Classic had psychic spiders that could us it to travel through time and space and project blasts.

The latter gets into territory that puts into question why the Doctor never tried it before and whenever a similar situation pops up again, why he isn't trying so now
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>>63935350
>>63935438
Is this the first time Moffat has used telepathy in and episode?

Other that psychic paper of course
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>>63935350
Better explanation.

Since the Doctor said that for a year he integrated himself into the Archangel Network's matrices, he made it so if people thought about all at once, he'd get a huge amount of psychic energy
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>>63935521
Deep Breath had the Doctor induce sleep
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>>63935553
This, he basically utilised the power of prayer, hence Jesus Doctor.
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>>63935553

But that's exactly what happened and it made little sense. They literally had aliens THAT SERIES who used words and names to power their technology, but when they sat around the writer's table thinking, "How do we make everyone thinking of the Doctor giving him strength make sense?" NOT ONE PERSON thought to have the Master utilize Carrionite technology, which even would have better explained how the Doctor's life force was being drained by fucking satellites. It's such wasted potential. Why would they not utilize something that was so perfectly set up earlier in the series for the finale?
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>>63936882
>But that's exactly what happened and it made little sense

How does it make little sense? Tapping into a psychic network of billions of people means you can do or funnel whatever psychic energy you want. And Classic Who already had psychic spiders who could teleport and travel through time with psychic energy, it's not crazy that he could do other shit when powered by billions.

>Master utilize Carrionite technology

Unless the Master had a shit ton of poet laureates and people with minds like Shakespeare's (who would probably be immune to the Archangel network in the first place) constantly saying shit in some specially designed stage/building, it wouldn't make more sense for him to use carrionite tech. and it's not just saying a single word that gives power either, it's a whole chain of specially chosen words, the right words (multiple), so it wouldn't serve to power the Doctor, and again would require some specifically designed stage.

>which even would have better explained how the Doctor's life force was being drained by fucking satellites

But he wasn't being drained by satellites. he'd been fucked up by technology that we already knew existed and that the Master even referenced, Professor Lazarus'.

Your headcanon requires ridiculous leaps, is way too complicated, and joins things that we know aren't joined
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>>63937864

Well, fair enough, I accept your rebuttal of my headcanon.
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>>63935521
12 puts baby Danny to sleep in Listen
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>>63937864
>defending last of the time lords
go to bed russell
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Torchwood looks amazing in 720p
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Is this canon?
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk//tv/isite-static/doctorwho/stories/haunted-part-1.pdf
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>>63939262
why was torchwood filmed in HD but the actual main show was still stuck in 420p garbage?
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Masterpiece.
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>>63939332
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Canon_Guide

Please refer to /who/'s officiall guide

>>63939705
10/10 CG - "Would Pay for a TV license"
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>>63939705
Twelve/Clara Torchwood audios when?
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Is it a good idea to watch the ENTIRE RTD Era (including the spin-offs in chronological order)?
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>>63939756
Childhoods end had some pretty good CGI but it didn't stop it being boring as shit
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>>63939917
Never seen SJA, Torchwood I'd watch a few episodes and make your mind up and I;m going to assume you're not asking about Dr Oo
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>>63934382

I got your back senpai
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>>63939917
no
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http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Official_power_rankings

Who the fuck rated these things? Those God Tiers for series 5 through 9 have to be a joke right?
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>>63940221
>being this triggered
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>>63940221
Personally I go with the objective ranking
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>>63940221
>actually taking the wiki seriously
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>>63940286
woops
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OFFICIAL OBJECTIVE NUWHO WATCH GUIDE ANYTHING ELSE IS OBJECTIVELY WRONG

Watch all of Series 1
Skip to Series 4, watch all of it except the last two episodes
Skip to Series 5, watch all of it.
Skip to Day Of The Doctor, watch it.
Skip to Series 8, continue from there
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>>63940337
Shouldn't End of Time be higher than Voyage?
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>>63940676
no voyage has the highest viewing figures of any episode
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>>63940612
>Skipping Blink
>Skipping Human Nature/Family of Blood
>Skipping Gridlock

Fucking dropped
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>>63940311
Fuck off.
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>>63940752
>Implying that Human Nature/Family of Blood is good
>Implying that Gridlock is anything more than decent
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We're back to this 'skipping' lark? I thought we'd left that in 2011.
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>>63940877
tbf, skipping series 6 and 7 may not be that bad
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>>63940612
>>63940752
>>63940842

REAL WORLD OPINION DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE EASILY TRIGGERED

Watch the first 10-15 minutes of every episode, if it hasn't drawn you in by then skip it.

Come back to /who/ and rate each episode you watch, if a lot of people are upset with your opinion maybe give that episode another go.
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fucking skippers should skip off a cliff
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>>63941022
i'll skip your mum
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>>63940337

It's funny because the actual objective ranking of episode quality that's actually rating the quality of an episode and not how many people watched it puts S9 as the best series, it has the highest average out of all of the 9 serieses
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>>63941220
>IMDB

Lowst AI too famalam
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>>63941220
>trusting imdb ratings this close to the end of a series

kek.

Not that anon though
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>>63941274

The AI are an out of touch portion of society who don't rate the quality of a narrative, rather how safe and non challenging it was
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>>63941302
yo reddit
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>>63941220
Doesn't this prove that RTD was better than Meffet
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>>63941347
Seriously though, how deep in your ass are you reaching right now to pull that shit?
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>>63941377
Who's Meffet?
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LICK
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>>63941418

The highest AI'd episodes are Stolen Earth/Journey's End which both recieved 91

Are you going to tell be you believe those were the best episodes of nuwho?
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>>63941359
I bet you think all breaking bad episodes are 10 out of 10 like their imdbs said they were at first
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>>63941274
>he thinks The Doctor's Daughter is better than Midnight
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>>63941423
Boffet
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>>63941661
Is it like a buffet?
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>>63941546
Not at all, but I'd say it's a better barometer than the opinion of random anons
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>>63941683
More like a game of Russian eat dogshit
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>>63941841
Russia has their own special poop? Interesting.
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>>63940530
What's the meddling monk doing in the far left?
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>>63941617
Who is that a picture of?
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>>63942205
Hugh Grant
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>>63942253
Do you have the unmodified version? Seeing the shop without seeing the original is bugging me. I just checked google images and can't find any that look like it.
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>>63942337
It's from Doomsday. Maybe not this exact shot but close enough.
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>>63942573
You actually fell for that anon's bait?
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>>63942661
Yes
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>>63942573
Thank you! I know it's stupid but not seeing the un-photoshoped version just drives me crazy, kind of like "when you hear a song but can't remember the name" kind of thing if that makes sense. In retrospect I should have noticed it was Tennant, kind of feel like an idiot.
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>>63942777

do you have faceblindness?
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how can you be this much of a pleb?
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>>63942840
Like I said, in retrospect it's obvious. The sideburns kind of give it away, but the shape of the face being all distorted threw me off. Doesn't matter what else you say, I already feel retarded.
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Say, has the broadcast date for the Christmas Special been anounced yet?
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>>63942957
>expecting logic in a moffat episode
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>>63943055
December 25th
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>>63943130
Not that anon, but do you know time it airs?
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>>63943269
17:15, London time
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>>63943269
5.15pm
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>>63943081
>expecting logic in a doctor who episode
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>>63943296
Thanks!
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>>63943337
Not that anon, but that's 12:15pm EST right?
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>>63943429
Not that anon, but EST is -5 from GMT. I don't know what time zone Who airs on.
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>tfw there's only going to be 2 people in the threads on friday
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>>63943658
I'll be around.
You fine folks are all the family I've got.
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>>63943658
I'll be around, unlike most of my family, I'm off for Christmas, might as well spend it shitposting.
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>>63944675
Tennant looked so alive, so young back then, guess draining your balls into Georgia must take a lot out of a man
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>>63944782
>implying you wouldn't drain your balls in Georgia
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Obama say what it /who/?
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I confess: I don't particularly think Heaven Sent is any better than let's say, Turn Left. It's just that it had never been done before that you guys like it but it just makes the story okay. It's not great Doctor Who. I confess: I don't like Series 9 at all and I'd rather forget it as soon as possible.
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>>63945357

I heard he has a plan to fix the economy
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>>63945393
> I don't particularly think Heaven Sent is any better than let's say, Turn Left
You're welcome to have this opinion even though its objectively wrong,
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I will post this every day until Christmas!

4 days
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I confess that Hell Bent renders Heaven Sent as shit to me. The fact he did all that and went through all that, for Clara, is annoying and retarded as fuck
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>>63945393
That's a perfectly valid point.

After 50 years of of a television program, doing something new and different is what counts as a success. In that vein, I appreciated Sleep No More equal to Heaven Sent.

I also agree to feeling largely let down with series 9, but at odds with what I must admit were extremely high expectations.

As they say, there's always next year.
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>>63945614
but that was obvious first viewing
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>>63944675
>we never got bearded 9
why
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>>63945614
>The fact he did all that and went through all that, for Clara, is annoying and retarded as fuck

>believing that from the Doctor when there are explicit scenes in Heaven Sent that contradict it entirely.
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>>63945671
I confess I didn't want to believe anon, I confess I hoped that Moffat wouldn't be that big a hack, and I confess I was wrong, so very wrong
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>>63945396
That scene is certainly cringe-inducing now, but it really does capture the zeitgeist of Obama's first months as President elect. America's historical moment in electing a person of colour, a break with the 8 years of right-wing control, and the desperation to break the economy out of its' stagnation and fiscal colapse.

I could never fault End of Time for that.
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>>63944930
yeah this, it honestly seems a worthwile sacrifice.
Also, pumping this one full of cum probably drained him somewhat
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>>63945617
but doing something new doesn't mean its automatically a success
found footage was never really done in doctor who before and sleep no more was still a bad episode
heaven sent was genuinely a good episode regardless of whether or not the concept had been done before
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So now that the Doctor's finaly finished with River, all his old companions are gone, and there really are no threads open to his past..

what next?
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>>63945932
sounds like its going to be series 5 2.0
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>>63945932
The next companion is waiting.
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>>63945716
He wouldn't lie to Clara in that regard anon.

and Hell Bent additionally makes it rather obvious it was for her when as soon as he gets power, he gets the Time Lords to bring her back then fucks off still trying to "save" her
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>>63945980
About fucking time. We needed a clean slate as soon as Peter arrived.
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>>63946001
that's not Frobisher
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>>63945980
>series 5 2.0
okay with that if done right
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>>63946102
With Moffat more of a hack than ever, not a chance. Prepare for Clara 2.0.
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>>63946102
Don't you worry. Plus it'll feature a reluctant 35ish companion who thinks she's way past the time to travel and is very funny (Donna 2.0). It's literally taking the best elements of New Who.
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>>63946102
sure, done right with a brother/sister duo and a shape-shifter who prefers the form of a penguin.
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>>63946050
s8 would have been worse with a new companion though
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Why couldn't I care less about Clara when she died? I was scared the first few times in Series 9 that she might die but she always got out of it and it got boring. When Face the Raven aired, her death scene was dragged on for ages which didn't help at all. I didn't even shed a single tear, unlike when Amy died. I guess I really got sick of Clara.
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>>63946174
but donna was out going and loud
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>>63946243
The arc would have probably been entirely different.

>>63946294
That made her funny. I'll take that over Clara 'Bossy girl who thinks she's righter than everyone and a know it all' Oswald any day.
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>>63946278
I think the problem is that we said "goodbye" to Clara... how many times?

1. Asylum
2. Snowmen
3. Moon is an Egg
3. Last Christmas

probably more I'm not remembering
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>>63946083
It could be Frobisher. He is a shapeshifter after all.
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>>63946278
I didn't care when Amy died. The roof top scene was actually good but then they came back and "lol oops weeping angel rory fucked up bye". Ruined emotion for me. Clara's death was sad to me, although I didn't cry (fucking mirror spoiling everything fuck you)
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>>63946030
>He wouldn't lie to Clara in that regard anon.
Oh ho ho is that so? At that exact moment she's trying to ask him what the Hybrid is, and he shoots down the question and acts like he doesn't really know, like he was just rusing the Time Lords.
Then at the end of the episode he tries to BS Ashildr and his refusal to admit it makes it implicit that actually yes, he quite possibly is keeping a huge fuckoff secret about the Hybrid that he wouldn't tell to anyone. Which throws the validity of what he said to Clara into question.

There's an entire bit in Heaven Sent where the Doctor breaks down because even if he escapes Clara will still be dead. And this is set inside his mind. It's flat-out impossible to read the episode as 'The Doctor knows it's the Time Lords and that he can resurrect Clara if he escapes', nothing in the episode would make sense.
The only interpretation that accommodates the Doctor's version of events is if his motivation changed at some point during the 4.5 billion years. It's possible this change could happen, considering he remembers all the previous cycles every time he gets to room 12.
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>>63946432
Oooooh my face is melting over here.

Have a biscuit.
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>>63946363
i didn't say donna was bad but you said he was "reluctant". didn't really sound like donna to me.
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>>63946468
I'm only knocking one thing you said:

>he remembers all the previous cycles every time he gets to room 12

No, no he doesn't. I don't know how to further qualify it, but that statement in simply unfactual.
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>>63946495
Oh yeah but she didn't think much of herself. She thought she was good for nothing and all that so I think we'll get a bit of that too.
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>>63946569
maybe. are we sure moffat wasn't joking when he said that though? like he was just saying the exact opposite of clara. guess we'll see what happens though.
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When is Moffat gonna let her be on the show?
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>>63946468
So he lied to Clara for what possible purpose?

>The Doctor: It doesn't matter what the Hybrid is. It only matters that I convinced them that I knew. Otherwise, I'd have had nothing left to bargain with.
>Clara: What were you bargaining for?
>The Doctor: What do you think? You. I had to find a way to save you. I knew it had to be the Time Lords. They cost you your life on Trap Street, Clara, and I was going to make them bring you back. I just had to hang on in there for a bit.
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>>63946399
That's true. There's also Death in Heaven.

>>63946443
I think the Mirror spoiling it was the nail on the coffin. For me, Amy's exit was contrived but still worked. She chose Rory over the Doctor and left her daughter in his care.
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Reminder that Moffet is quoted as saying something along the lines of "We'll do something we've never been able to do before, and I hope the budget can cover it" in relation to a new companion.
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>>63946560
>No, no he doesn't. I don't know how to further qualify it, but that statement in simply unfactual.

>"That’s when I remember. Always then. Always exactly then."

>"But I can remember, Clara. You don’t understand, I can remember it all. Every time!"

The second is debatable. The first quote is impossible to read any other way.

It's not that far fetched. Moffat frequently has had characters share memories with alternate versions of themselves, just look at Rory.
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>>63946720
no he didn't
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>>63946667
Possible but that wouldn't surprise me if he did. The Doctor would probably be showing off, making her see beautiful planets and everything.
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>>63946720

>>63946775
might be nice maybe.
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>>63945716
I don't think there's anything that contradicts that in Heaven Sent.
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remainder that were never getting another qt like Jenna.
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>>63946787

jazz hands wasn't a forced meme
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>>63946793
>implying he's not a qt

Nice b8.
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>>63946722
Sounds familiar. OK.
I'll eat my words and you have my appology.
Truce, pham.
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>>63946468
He literally doesn't know what the Hybrid is. He even says he himself became it just before he passes out later on.
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>>63946742
>>63946787
Come January 1st, when there's a shape-shifting emperor penguin in the TARDIS, you'll remember me.
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