>the only morally grey character in the entire story
>is only in one half of one of the movies and dies so the plot can get on with MUH EPIC BATTLES and MUH MERRY AND PIPPIN COMIC RELIEF and MUH HOBBIT BROMANCE
Why do people pretend this shit is good again?
it was to show how evil the ring was and raised the stakes, movies are still trash tho
>>63912830
>morally grey
xD, no.
>>63912830
The most basic level that lotr works on is good vs evil and the triumph of courage. It's not a grrm wankfest so grey morality isn't that important.
>>63912830
>Morally grey
Was he? I thought he was a honorable man who was seduced by the ring? Wasn't he so ashamed that he was manipulated like that he was willing to sacrifice his life almost immediately after to save Frodo and Sam?
>>63912830
>muh grey morality so complex and mature
>>63912830
Moral ambiguity is for the intellectually weak.
"I don't know if I'm doing the right thing" is one of the oldest and most boring conflicts there is. Thank god Tolkien had the good sense to write that shit out quick.
Films women will never understand thread?
>>63912830
>MUH EPIC BATTLES and MUH MERRY AND PIPPIN COMIC RELIEF and MUH HOBBIT BROMANCE
and thats why Fellowship is the best part
>>63912830
clearly this niggas was not watching the same movie because frodo went insane in the 3rd act of rotk movie
>>63912830
Boromir was the member of the Fellowship that represented the struggles of Man in the world of Middle Earth.
That conflict of the lust for power, held back by the heroic qualities of duty and honour.
Americans just don't get symbolism I guess.
>>63913889
>Boromir was the member of the Fellowship that represented the struggles of Man in the world of Middle Earth.
All other men were of a higher claiber than Boromir. Boromir was skilled yeah, but in terms of blood and "lore-importance" Boromir was next to dog shit. It's canon.
>>63913915
By this I mean there wasn't the common man you are thinking of, they didn't exist in Tolkiens world, at least there was no point for him to be writing of them.
Boromir simply wasn't the man for the job, it's canon that it should have been Faramir, but was Boromir, because of Denethor if I remember correctly.
>>63912910
>"I don't know if I'm doing the right thing" is one of the oldest and most boring conflicts there is. Thank god Tolkien had the good sense to write that shit out quick.
Its the utter opposite. Those of you who refuse to see the circumstances surrounding you and others are intellectually incapable of utilizing even a tiny portion of your brains.
>>63912830
>morally grey
He was tempted by the ring. It wasn't even subtle, might as well have turned to camera and said so to the audience.
>>63912830
Boromir and Faramir are the most interesting characters in LotR
>>63913915
That's what makes Boromir great
He is not some sort of aryan superhuman or elf mary sue, but a real human bean, with weaknesse and who has to struggle to do the right thing.
>>63912894
It was to save Merry and Pippin
>>63914018
Boromir was straight up corrupted though. If Frodo didn't get away at Amon Hen it would have all been over.
Boromir was the weakest of men... The only reason Boromir exists at all is to strengthen Faramir's character.
Hackson being a hack failed to notice it and left it out of his flicks.
>>63912830
how was the ring going to help him anyway?
>>63914068
I am not really sure what kind of point you are trying to make.
In my opinon, Boromir is great because he has weaknesse and makes understandable mistakes (wants to use the power of ring to help his people), but later realizes his wrongdoing and tries to redeem himself
>>63913915
Only Aragorn would have higher claim than Boromir. The stewards were still numenorians they just weren't descended from Elendil.
>>63914080
if people tried to fuck with gondor he would go invisible and trip them over
>>63914068
The point of Boromir's character was to show that even great men who are noble knights can still be swayed by the ring.
Tolkien was a great world builder but shit storyteller.
>>63914253
i'll fuck you up for that i swear
>>63912970
Women will never, ever get Boromir as a character, that's true. Hence why women like Legolas.
God Tier:
Boromir
Theoden
High Tier:
Gimli
Grandelf
Samwise
L-Ron Hubbard
Mid tier:
Legolas
Frodo
Pippin
TreeBeard
Low tier:
Aragorn
Merry
Faramir
>>63912830
because its comfy: the movie
>>63914253
I would disagree
His worldbuilding looks nice on the surface, but falls apart if you look a bit deeper
>>63914284
Not that anon but I agree, his stories are fine for their time but they're incredibly simplistic. The good guys are good because they want to save the world and the bad guys are evil and want to control it. People can't let go of the nostalgia factor. His world is interesting though a lot like star wars, a generic story in an interesting universe.
What's the male equivalent of a mary-sue?
That's exactly what Aragorn is.
>>63914340
I don't think you understand what world building even is
>>63914402
>literally 80 years old, travelling, fighting, training etc.
idiot
>his death scene
No more
>>63912830
Fuck off star shit faggot, your jew story wouldn't even exist without Tolkiens Univers.
>>63914419
I think I do
Middle earth doesnt really make a whole lot of sense from logistic point of view
>>63914402
>he doesn't know the difference between plot armor and mary-sue
Everyone point and laugh.
>>63914430
>>63914682
can you name some weaknesses Aragorn has?
>>63914712
Why does he need a stereotypical weakness? You realize he's not a regular human being? Boromir had weaknesses, he fell in battle. Aragorn is basically a superhuman race, and he's been alive and fighting battles for 60+ years. He's something like Hector from the Iliad. Not a god, but simply the best fighter there is.
Also, that fight at the end of Fellowship when the orc throws a dagger at Aragorn was not a fake dagger and almost killed the actor had he not deflected it. The orc couldn't see shit due to the makeup and was supposed to miss Aragorn but he threw it so it would have stabbed and possibly killed him. He deflected it with his sword in real life. Based.
>>63914292
>that low tier
>implying
>>63912830
Boromir dying is important because it causes issues later on, and the fellowship and everyone in Gondor are all "wish Boromir was here instead of his faggot brother"
>>63914579
>this fantasy world with magic and mythical races is too illogical
>>63914579
>Middle earth doesnt really make a whole lot of sense from logistic point of view
do you mean logistical or logical? "logistic" singular doesn't mean anything
>>63914796
characters without weaknesses and unrelatable and boring
they are also called mary sues
>>63914859
but this dude has probably only watched the movies once whilst tugging on his cock half the time and thinks he's giving us some ridiculously enlightening opinions
give him a break!
>>63914292
>Theoden
>anywhere but low tier
He got magicucked by Saruman and nearly let his entire people fall into ruin
>Aragon not at least high tier
come on m80
the rest is completely correct though
>>63914068
Boromir being "corrupted" was understable since lived at the border near Sauron meant he knew the pressure and dangers of being constantly threatened and invaded every waking day. He wanted the ring to use against them since he grew tired of the constant dangers his country is facing.
>>63914292
why is merry low tier when pippin is mid?
>>63914292
Samwise is God tier and Aragon is at least Mid-High tier.
>>63914956
i mean logistics.
For example, look at minas thirit. A huge city in the middle of nowhere, with no farmland around it to support it with food.
Or millions of goblins living in moria with no means to generate food
Or hobbits living on the most fertile land with no military to protect it
>>63914905
>just because its fantasy nothing has to make sense
>>63915109
In the book Minas Tirith is surrounded by farmlands, in fact all of GOndor is farmlands
And how the fuck is it in the middle of nowhere? There's Osgliliath a few kilometres east, and Cair Andros a few kilometres upriver of that
Seriously, educate yourself
>>63915207
But they aren't in the movies.
In fact, I think we never see farmable land outside of hobbit territory, as far as i remember
>>63915109
>millions of goblins in Moria
pure conjecture, there's thousands maybe, we dont know. They are also probably cannibals and would obviously go forage for food
>no farmland in Gondor
Gondor is a huge place though, it's not just the city, and there's trade and agriculture all throughout Middle Earth, did there really need to a segment showing how Minas Tirith gets it's food? the fields outside the city literally are pastures and farmland
>hobbits living on the most fertile land with no military to protect it
they explain that the Hobbit lands are literally in the middle of nowhere and that nobody even really knows Hobbits actually exist or where they live, this gets mentioned a few times in both the books and films
desu these seem like just autismal nitpicking m8
>>63915232
>film doesn't show farmland
>HURR FARMS DONT EXIST IN THIS UNIVERSE HOW DO THEY GET FOOD
we don't see any pipeweed fields either, fucking plot hole amirite, we dont even SEE the field where they grow the grain and hops for the beer in Bree, ZERO STARS
>>63912830
>the only morally grey character in the entire story
okay lol
>>63915109
Tolkien says that the farm towns around the Pelennor were rich in wheat and livestock.
Orcs would've eaten pretty much anything, bats, grubs, mushrooms, other orcs.
Hobbits were protected by the Dunedain and were so far from all the conflict no one care about them.
There's answers to pretty much all of your stupid questions if you actually read the books. He even explained the forces of Mordor were fed by farms from the South and from east of the sea of Nurnen
>>63915232
This is like complaining that we aren't shown the quarry where they mined the stones for Minas Tirith, or the kitchens where the Lembas was cooked
>>63915275
>>63915312
The fellowship wanders all over the middle earth and not even once we see farmland once they leave hobbit land.
While, in reality, in the middle ages, basically all land was farm land
>pure conjecture, there's thousands maybe, we dont know. They are also probably cannibals and would obviously go forage for food
cannibalism is not a very sustainable food supply, and you cant feed thousands by raiding for food.
>and that nobody even really knows Hobbits actually exist or where they live
Humans in Bree sure know of Hobbits, as do Goblins, since there has been at least one Goblin-Hobbit war
>>63915232
How autistic are family?
>>63915400
Bree is part of the shire
>>63915335
>Orcs would've eaten pretty much anything, bats, grubs, mushrooms, other orcs.
A cave ecosystem simply doesn't produce enough food to feed thousands of orcs.
Thats why in real life, people never lived in caves after hunter gatherer times
>>63915418
I meant the human town where the hobbits meet aragorn
>>63915400
probably because they are sneaking through the desolate wild places of Middle Earth, which are specifically pointed out to be desolate and wild in the films and the books, away from everyone, and journeying to literally hell on earth?
>Not one mention of eagles ex machina
You've failed, thread.
>>63915429
Well those caves clearly do
Next question ?
>>63914292
>Gandalf not God Tier
>>63915450
that's Bree m8. it's literally next to the Shire. Hobbits live there. It's also literally the furthest flung human settlement in Eriador, theres not another settlement for hundreds of miles
>>63915450
Yes that's Bree
Which is actually not part of the Shire, but trades heavily with it
>>63915483
Gandalf is an instigator, he literally brings problems to people's doorstep
>>63915505
>>63915508
why don't humans in bree vassalize hobbits?
>>63915534
why don't you stop your autism from ruining lotr?
>>63914037
All dwarves look the same to me.
>>63915510
>he literally brings problems to people's doorstep
It's because he does it for the greater good.
Gandalf is literally the best fictional character.
>>63915464
nice way of ignoring a plot hole
>>63914292
this is gonna rustle jimmies. Boromir and theo confirmed in right location tho
>>63915552
look, those things dont really bother me, I am just saying that tolkings worldbuilding is rather inconsistent.
I can still enjoy lotr though
>>63915557
How the fuck is it a plot hole
It's fucking fantasy why do you keep applying earth rules to it
>>63915554
Oh you
>>63912894
If only George Lucas watched LotR he would have known how to write a character being seduced by evil.
>>63913915
>but in terms of blood and "lore-importance" Boromir was next to dog shit.
I would say wikifag but I doubt you even read that.
