Phantom Menace ain't looking so bad now, is it?
>Special effects are an acceptable replacement for character traits
No, fuck off
>>63837789
I enjoyed Phantom Menance
>>63837827
>Special effects are an acceptable replacement for character traits
Too bad there wasn't any in TFA.
>>63837789
3>2=7>1
debate me
YOOSA BE MEESIN MEESA YET??
OOH MUY MUY MEESA LOVIN IT!!!
>>63837789
Yes, it still looks awful. Fuck off George go away.
7 by name, 7 by nature
>>63837944
No debate necessary. This is entirely accurate.
>>63837789
I want to think he had an eye-opening crisis of conscience while watching TFA and realizing that this is the Star Wars fans wanted from him in '99, not Jar Jar and midichlorians.
>>63837827
>Special effects are an acceptable replacement for character traits
TFA in a nutshell.
Its literally poetry
The reception is the same and if you call it shit you're getting lynched
>>63837789
No the prequels are still absolute shit Lucas. Only children born this side of the of the 21st century actually like it.
>>63838038
A soulless, mindless reboot of his original trilogy?
I think the poor man is gonna lose all faith in humanity.
>>63838136
I haven't seen it yet but its not hard to be a better movie than any of the prequels.
Ive watched the Phantom Menace three times now. what the fuck is it about?
>>63838091
I saw empire at the cinema and the prequels are much better than 7. Get off your geekchic act kid
>>63837974
LOL
>>63837827
But Lucas himself said the exact opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWPCCzSgu0#t=9m48s
>>63837789
Still looks like shit from here, mate.
>>63837789
It's a masterpiece compared to The Force Awakens.
I hate The Phantom Menace by the way. It's awful.
the prequels give nothing to the originals and actually damage a few characters. it needs to be erased from history.
>>63838242
Things you will say about 7 once your facebook feed and youtube critics tell you general?
>>63838173
Something about trade negotiations
>>63838194
>and the prequels are much better than 7.
I doubt that very much pleb. Im going to see it tomorrow. It would be very hard to match the dissapoint of coming out of the theater after TPM. You must be under 20 to have such a childish opinion.
'I am not the creator of Mara Jade.
And I want YOU to get out of this office right now!'
>>63838260
>im a child that liked the prequels and gets angry when people rightly criticize it
>>63838242
>the prequels give nothing to the originals
we learn
>how darth vader grew up
>how obi wan was
>how bloated and useless the republic was
>how the old jedi order was
>old yoda
>about the clones
>boba fetts dad
>lots more shit
plus there was that 3d star wars movie with that hot orange twi-lek girl
Can you believe people were listing TFA as the second best in the franchise?
>>63838340
>get correctly called out on your adopted "identity"
>y-y-oure just a child
>>63837944
this
>>63838343
They were doing the same thing when TPM came out too. You couldn't criticize that movie at all without getting hammered by people screaming about how Ebert and his pleb friends loved it too
>>63838403
>correctly called out on your adopted "identity"
>wahh Im a child that actually like the prequels
Face it loser, the prequels sucked and most people know it. Dont pretend everyone is just parroting each other. Grow up.
>>63838343
I know people who think its the best
>>63838173
Just remember, every little event that occurs was orchestrated simply to have chancellor vallorum removed from office and replaced with Palpatine . Everything. That's pretty much the entire movie
If she is Luke's daughter , who is the mother?
>>63838465
I don't like the prequels or the OT other than the first 1.
>it needs to be erased from history.
I can't stop laughing, you are a full blown parrot you fucking troglodyte
>>63838403
haha
>>63838465
the prequels were better then the original trilogy. best films of all time. you are just too pleb to see it
>>63838168
It's hard to say.
It's better in that the acting is almost perfect and its way better from a technical aspect, but the story is unoriginal and shallow, the pacing is terrible and it has no sense of scale. An entire solar system gets destroyed but you don't really give a shit and there's a deathstar on steroids coming to get the heroes but again you don't really give a shit.
For all it's flaws, the prequel trilogy is far more memorable and deep in lore and world building. In the long run, the prequels are better in my opinion.
>>63838280
>>and the prequels are much better than 7.
7 is better than all the prequels by far.
>>63838522Incest with Leia
>>63837789
Nah it still looks just as bad.
The Force Awakens not being amazing doesn't make The Phantom Menace better.
>>63838136
>soulless, mindless
star wars has always been like that read bible
>>63838522
Homeboy fucked an alien
>>63838341
>hot orange twi-lek girl
She's like 15, bro.course I know that isn't going to stop anyone here from fapping anyways
>>63838640
I'm willing to bet that once the sequel trilogy is finished people will just be saying "so what was the point again?"
The prequels will always be remembered for what they did right and what they did wrong. The sequels at this rate will be remembered for nothing special at all.
WE MISS U LUCAS SENPAI
>>63838815
age of consent here is like 16 i dont give a fuck
pls come back George, all the poetry threads were not laughing at you, but with you
>>63838488
One word: Qui-Gon-Gin-and-juice
>>63838830
It's sad, the sequel trilogy and anthology films do not need to be made. Maybe the Prequels did, but that story was quite boring.
TFA is better than any of the prequels, but there is no need for it to exist.
>>63838431
Close, I think it's hard to pin down Rey and Finn because they aren't perfectly Luke or Han.
It's like they mixed Luke and Han together, then divided that list of actions and characteristics into two new combinations.
They both serve as protagonists instead of it mainly being Luke. Finn gets the character arc about joining the rebellion and Rey gets the learning to be a jedi stuff.
>>63838795
Luke isn't dumb enough to mess with Chewbaccas girl.
Although now he might have moved on to giving the BWC to Rey.
>>63838431
Fuck, this is fucking perfect, it's the most accurate thing I've seen so far
>>63839103
>TFA is better than any of the prequels
>>63839121
Finn is Jar Jar, not Han. The one under Han's face is Poe.
The prequels were shit with kindergarten tier writing but at least Lucas was attempting something new.
From what I’ve heard about the new Star Wars flick, it’s virtually a remake of EP4 that hits all the requisite marketing dept. driving demographics points and is nothing more then the typical soulless Hollywood assembly line production we’ve all come to hate.
The phantom menace, while being shit, was at least a project that George clearly had fun creating, and was made with love in order to add to the original movies, for better or worse.
TFA, on the other hand, is soulless corporate shit that shamelessly rips off ANH because Disney were too afraid of it bombing
>>63839103
>but there is no need for it to exist
$
>>63839204
The prequels are love letters to Kurosawa and Mizoguchi kiddo
of course the writing has to be bad
The prequels aren't even that bad.
Reflexively hating them is Reddit incarnate. Braindead meme following bullshit.
The new movie isn't actually Star Wars, and should be disregarded.
>>63839331
>The prequels aren't even that bad.
Yes, they are.
>>63839414
3 was objectively better than 7
>/tv/s levels of contrarianism have gone so high that people are actually defending the Phantom menace
>>63839264
>implying Star Wars wasn't always soulless corporate shit
>>63839454
>reddit's levels of conformism have gone so high that they are actually defending ANH
>>63839454
If you use the word "contrarian," you're literally an idiot. It's an invented concept by idiots with childish sensibilities who are too fragile to deal with criticism of mediocre media that has widespread appeal.
It's a troubling manifestation of millennials' mental weakness. Seriously, the only people who would even entertain any "argument" involving the concept of being "contrarian" are weak, lazy idiots who can't deal with criticism substantively.
If it bothers you that much that people criticize mediocre mass-marketed work designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, like Star Wars, Breaking Bad, pop music, etc., you should find a safe bubble and stay there. Or kill yourself.
>>63839430
3's a pretty decent movie actually, it's only the shitty acting that brings it down
>>63839414
Yet no one gives any reasons why, besides "HURR JAR JAR".
The story was about a million times more complex and intriguing than this shitty remake. Anakin was miscast, but everyone else was pretty good. The world-building was awesome, despite some of the CGI dating poorly.
I'm not saying they are great, but they aren't truly bad movies. I don't get the meme of hating them.
>>63839430
IN MY POINT OF VIEW YOU'RE WRONG
>>63839193
Just stop. It's not even debatable. You obviously haven't even seen it yet.
This board is fucking terrible.
just remember that most of the contrarian retards here think that Spartacus: Boring and Shit is a 10/10 masterpiece
>>63839194
I know what the image was anon, I'm disagreeing with it.
>>63838341
>>63838815
togruta best new race
>>63839509
Hello /pol/
>>63837974
WEESA GOING HOOOOOOOOME!!!!!!
>>63839572
hello tumblr
You guys are delusional. Whens the last time you watched the phantom menace? Its mostly garbage.
>>63839555
Then fucking leave already
No one other than the pleb waifu posters wanted you here anyways
>>63837789
Phantom was the best of the Prequels. But it was still bad.
>>63839534
me neither. At some point the valid criticisms of the films quickly became "let's see how much each of us can express our undying hatred of them and beat off whoever is the most successful at it"
>>63839534
the jar jar hate is a reddit meme
mess think there nothing wrong with him
>>63838795
I fucking hated her.
The movie was just so close to being perfect but then we have to throw in this fucking full cg character who isn't even a fucking cool. Instead we get this dumb small eyes orange Asian lady. Literally any other character design would have satisfied me, but Maz was fucking garbage.
Also Smoke is a stupid fucking name and he wasn't very cool either. Wasted potential and literally the only downsides of this movie for me.
>>63839840
>>63839534
Yeah, agreed. We were all criticizing the prequels, but it got imprinted in the bandwagoning reddit retards' heads that you have to utterly despise their very existence or you are a heretic that should be stoned to death.
>>63839910
Same.
Jar Jar Binks is GOAT.
>>63839103
Does there need to be reason? I'm always open to more of something I love, if it's done well. Yeah sure technically these movies didn't have to get made but why not. What's the point of life then?
>>63840041
>The movie was just so close to being perfect
hahahahahhahhahahaa
>>63839204
>from what I've heard
>I've heard
>heard
Why don't you go watch it and get your own opinion you spineless parroting faggot.
>>63840115
If they had a new story worth telling, it would be fine.
What's the point of copy-paste shit though?
>>63837944
100% correct
>>63839534
>>63840085
i'm not saying that there's not a lot of people that bandwagon against the prequels, but the story in the prequels is a hot mess. if you truly think that the story holds up under examination, then you might be mildly retarded.
>>63839534
The casting may have been good in PM, but the acting was awful. The pacing was awful, and got extremely bogged down in the middle because of Tatooine and Coruscant lagging hard. Opens very slowly for a Star Wars movie. Jar Jar and midichlorians. It didn't feel like a Star Wars movie. It would have been better received if it wasn't a prequel to Star Wars, and had nothing to do with the series, but it was still a bad movie, with bad directing. Though the duel with Darth Maul was great.
Clone Wars had the same pacing issues, and the added stupidity of the "wise" Jedi failing to notice Palpatine being a Sith, and doing some basic deduction. The dialogue got even worse. We know Yoda can lift an X-Wing while trying also stay hidden, so why can't he stop a smaller ship? There a just a lot of things that after watching again make no sense.
Revenge actually is pretty decent, though I feel it is still below the originals and TFA because of the performances and some of the dialogue, plus the aforementioned failure to realize Palpitine is evil, and clearly corrupting Anakin. Also, getting everyone in place and cameos fuck up continuity fairly hard. Chewie's dad is friends with Yoda, and Chewie met Yoda, yet says nothing in ANH when Han dismisses the Jedi and the Force. Liea remembers her mother's smiling face.
>>63839555
Fucking hated that show. So try hard.
>>63839649
Within the last 6 months.
It has its moments. Darth Maul, some cool Jedi fighting, some other okay shit.
>>63840244
Just because it wasn't constant action like JJ's shitty movies doesn't mean the "pacing was bad". Lucas was actually attempting to tell a story.
>>63837944
Can't, you're right.
>>63840085
I don't think people treating the prequels as some kind of crime against humanity are right either, I agree with you on that. But I do believe they are really bad movies and that Episode VII is better than them.
>>63838640
Yeah, only gripe I had was the pacing with the whole Starkiller thing was so terrible.
>>63837789
No. It was still very shitty, and if it were actually worth a damn, George would never have ended up selling the franchise in the first place.
And even if he had, the new guy wouldn't immediately base the production of the next movie on his hatred for the prequels.
Even this shit ultimately leads to you, George, you talentless ugly fucking hack.
>>63837789
You're right, it's looking worse.
>>63840314
>doesn't mean the "pacing was bad". Lucas was actually attempting to tell a story.
jesus dude just stop.
>>63840126
At the end of the day you walk away not liking something and your life becomes just a little more miserable.
>>63840314
About space politics. I really want to watch trade negations and the bureaucratic process in a Star Wars movie.
>>63840396
Not him, but the pacing in the previous star wars movies is just fine. On the other hand It's terrible in both star wars and star trek that JJ made, worst pacing in a movie I've ever seen.
>>63840447
This.
Kek
>>63840447
That's what gives the universe weight. You seriously never wondered why there was an Empire and a Rebellion at all? You never wondered what became of the Jedi?
>TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN POPCORN XD
Fuck you.
>>63840207
The parallels were.. A bit much yeah, and I would have preffered a more original story but I didn't fucking hate it and there was a lot being set up for the next two movies which I can't imagine will be indirect remakes of Empire and Return.
The story feels pretty unfinished, obviously, which is why there isn't much to really appreciate yet.
My point being, is that it wasn't a bad Star Wars movie and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and if it was bad I would not have.
It's not easy moving a story forward, especially one that was finished but i think the next two movies will hopefully give us some interesting story.
>>63840571
This.
I actually liked the politics in the prequels.
It really isn't. It isn't at all. ;_;
Love you, George.
>>63838795
People will be like "there he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
>>63840335
I wouldn't say bad but they weren't the best. They all had some really high points and then some real lows.
>>63837944
1 introduced duel of fates best Star Wars song
>>63839264
didn't he go on record saying he only made it for money, to sell toys etc?
>>63837944
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
2 is not better than 1, what the absolute fuck.
>>63840344
Yeah that did move rather fast.. I almost would have preffered the attack failing and then having to take out Starkiller in Ep 8 or something.
>>63840621
if you liked the "politics" in the prequels, then recent masterpieces such of House of Cards Season 3 and Scandal should be right up your alley.
But what if I like ALL of the Star Wars movies?
Maybe not equally, but still.
>>63840758
That's not space politics though.
You're alright, OP. Shitting on popular things for the sake of it is what we do.
You're in.
>>63837944
I liked 3 a lot, and 2 was aight' but 7 trumps both.
>>63840913
>but 7 trumps both.
How?
>>63840621
Through the looking glass now
>people literally defending prequels
>some posts ooutright claim they were good
I didnt know the halo cycle occured in movie fans too.
TFA was great by the way. You all have shit taste.
>muh jar jat
>muh CGI
>muh medichlorians
>muh senate meetings
Yeah nah. I rather have a new hope remake than that shit.
>>63840881
well, he said he liked bad storytelling under the guise of "politics". i was just trying to help out.
>>63840976
How's the bandwagon going, my sheepy?
>It's not old, so it's shit
people on 4chan are lost
So far not a single point has been made as to why 7 is better than the prequels. Every single argument is "omg i can't even, the prequels are bad because they're bad, everyone knows this, how dare you question it, i can't even right now i just cant".
>>63841017
So liking something that most others and critics like to makes it a bandwagon?
Theres a reasom why everyone loves it, because it's good.
Stop being a hipster.
>>63841017
liking the prequels is bandwagon.
>>63840976
brought to you by DISNEY!
>>63841100
It's fucking simple you retard.
7 is a new hope remade, which is already established as good.
The prequels are already established as terrible due to many reasons already listed in this thread.
It's not hard to be better than that shit.
>>63837789
Oh it's looking as terrible as it always will.
Where did this breed of violently retarded prequel apologists come from? Have they not seen those movies they defend so hard?
>>63840615
This senpai
>>63841100
The prequels are bad due to poor pacing, bad direction, phoned in performances, unnecessary, and at times redundant, scenes, and awful screenplays made worse due to the fact that they actually contained good ideas (by that I mean the story actually had potential to work, and this deepened the disappointment.)
>>63837789
Would I replace bad acting with original Star Wars universe lore? Yeah probably, Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones had bad dialogue and acting but at least they added things to the overall universe of Star Wars. TFA just feels like ANH with a fresh coat of paint.
>>63840196
>Why don't you go watch it and get your own opinion you spineless parroting faggot.
Because it sounds like a typical soulless Hollywood assembly line production, why would I fork over $12+ to see that when I can see it for free in a couple of months (or sooner)?
Prequels gave us double edged lightsabre duel.
And pretty good clone trooper assault scenes.
Force awakens gave us...
I don't even know or recall anything interesting it gave us.
I watched it literally 8 hours ago.
>>63841126
so too is hating it bud
>>63837944
change ep 1 with ep 2 and this is correct
>>63841284
>Because it sounds like a typical soulless Hollywood assembly line production
Oh and the prequels weren't? Were you born retarded?
>>63841173
>7 is a new hope remade, which is already established as good.
It's a really bad remake though.
>>63838830
If there's one thing TFA does it is set up the sequels to be really fucking good. Unfortunately we could get 2 more sterile and unoriginal movies that have great acting and dialogue but don't do anything with the Star Wars license.
>>63841365
no it doesn't.
Han solo carried this fucking film and he is dead.
Finn and Poe are literally Joss Whedon characters complete with that type of shitty banter.
Leia has turned into a crone.
Mark hamill is a wildcard but he hasn't acted since the last star wars (though done some awesome voice work).
Rey is ok apart from the deus ex shit with her jedi powers.
>>63841301
Prequels also gave us duel of the fates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ZY8Fz9GGU
>>63838213
You need to add a time, I'm not watching a dude dubbing 3 movies pretending it's hilarious expecting me to laugh and support his idiocy
>>63841279
>but at least they added things to the overall universe of Star Wars.
yeah, they added two terrible movies to the canon
this is a really dumb point tho, do better next time
>>63838280
>I'm superiour because I called your opinion childish and Starwars was made to sell toys
desu, as a kid I hated the prequels because I thought it insulted my intelligence. Through out the movie I could tell jar jar was useless comic relief and the kid was a cringy actor.
After Darth Jar Jar I realized Jar Jar was the phantom menace and the kid was given the role of a life time. Anybody would have wanted the role, but it doesn't matter who gets it and who fucks it up because its a campy fucking movie and child actors shouldn't be expected to be giving godlike performances.
Phantom Menace was fine you big old man you ;)
>>63841535
There goes the parrot again, unable to use it's brain, it simply repeats the popular opinion of it's environment(reddit).
>>63837944
3>7>1>2
>>63841279
Revenge of the sith was the worst movie ever made. I know you're trying to pretend otherwise, but you're wrong.
>>63841365
Predict: E7= 2hr teaser for E8. E8=2hr teaser for E9. E9 an incoherent flop.
Finally! I can finally share my true original patrician opinion of the prequels!
It's been 16 years since I sat down for my first screening of The Phantom Menace. The visuals and score were captivating -- the story telling and dialogue were top notch as well. Let's not forget the acting. It was out of this world! I could tell the entire prequel trilogy would be of the highest quality, and it was as it turns out.
I thought to myself then the same as I think now: thank the heavens for George Lucas. He truly is the patron saint of auteurs.
Alas, much like the underbelly of the Galactic Senate, there was a dark side to The Phantom Menace's success. The movie was TOO good.
I instantly regretted my having seen it as I was 100% convinced that the prequel trilogy would eventually be followed by vastly inferior installments that would force me to resent Star Wars. I absolutely knew beyond a doubt that they would contain race mixing via a cuckoldry story line. And even though I knew this, I was absolutely convinced that I wasn't sure of my knowing this, therefor I was 100% right even if my suspicions did not come to fruition.
Even and especially IF this were not the case, I was also absolutely certain beyond a doubt that the succeeding installments in question would be mediocre. This would make it vastly inferior to the perfection that was the prequel trilogy as they were all terrible, but memorable films.
Furthermore, any attempts and successes at quality film making present in these future installments would most certainly be negated by the fact that elements of the movies would be analogous to elements of previous Star Wars films, therefor lowering the entire film below the quality of anime.
I knew in my heart all those years ago -- 16 years ago -- that George Lucas selling the franchise to Disney was the worst possible thing that could happen to Star Wars. I knew it, and yet, I never voiced my opinions -- passively siding with the enemy. Sorry /tv/.
>>63841649
>Episode 3 better than anything
Kill yourself, retard.
>>63841665
Actually the force awakens is the worst movie ever made.
I do.
>>63841435
Battle of the Heroes is an incredibly underrated track. I think it was a fucking perfect song for Star Wars to end on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRgXGigPKuc
Why are people shilling TFA here so much? Seriously, all you guys shilling it, tell me why? Is it to be contrarian? I don't get it, i mean it's not a bad movie, but what's so great about it that you have to religiously defend it like this and argue with people criticizing it?
>>63841433
He's been on TV and a few movies lately. This part won't be hard for him.
>>63841872
>that part where Obi-wan and anakin each grab each other's saber hands and the lava spews up behind them as the chorus kicks into high gear
regardless of your opinion on the film as a whole, there's some good editing in it, you gotta admit
>>63841772
Reminder that if the prequels weren't a pile of shit in the first place, VII would have been a very different movie if it had been made at all.
As much as Lucas is a fucking hack, having a different director took some of the soul away from Star Wars. It felt more like a generic Disney action flick like those shitty Marvel films they release 5 times a year. I think JJ was the wrong choice for director and the soundtrack was the biggest disappointment of all. All the same I preferred it to the prequels.
>>63841904
they're being triggered by people willing to defend the prequels over it because the only way they can justify liking it i guess is by saying "it's better than the prequels"
at least that's the feeling I get
>>63841723
Actually, it's Manos: The Hands of Fate. But Episode III is a strong contender.
Why do you enjoy eating shit so much?
>>63841904
Honestly, it's just fanboys being fanboys. They did the same exact thing with all the Star Wars movies, including the prequels.
>>63841639
i was going to post an actual response to this, but you're just an idiot who thinks that everyone who has an opinion contrary to yours is a parrot, so there's not really much of a point.
>>63841959
>if it had been made at all
We can only wish for a universe where that happened....
>>63841302
Wow you sure showed him, anon
>>63841971
Still a thousand times better as a film than those prequels.
Look, I know Episode VII was disappointing for a lot of us and that's fine. Expectations were too high, Jar Jar Abrams is one of the blandest directors in Hollywood and so on. But this retarded meme of wanting Lucas back is trying to lead people on the wrong track. It's pretending the prequels weren't that bad, which is hilariously wrong, and that George somehow isn't an awful director who would have ruined this new movie harder than JJ ever could.
It's just cranial diarrhea posted by prequel apologists who are so entrenched in their mongoloid hipster stupor, they're willing to call Uwe Boll a decent director to earn those hot hipster points.
>>63841971
I agree, it was like another marvel movie. Like guardians of the galaxy with lighsabers. All these movies are very shallow and forgettable, with no rewatchability value. I prefer the prequels.
When i do my star wars marathon, i will probably exclude TFA tbqh. But that depends on how good the other two movies are. If they're just as shallow and bland I will definitely discard them.
>>63841992
>Actually, it's Manos: The Hands of Fate. But Episode III is a strong contender.
No, it's "Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens".
>>63837789
5 > 4 > 6 >>>> 7 >>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>> 1 > 2
>>63837789
>No, fuck off
>>63842186
But people sitting in couches, Mannequin Skywalker, that awful dialogue, the story made no sense. General Fucking Grievous. Do I need to remind you of the whole thing? Revenge of the Sith has no redeeming value to it whatsoever, and no childish tantrum is going to change that. That movie is going to be terrible, forever.
>>63842008
You post was pretty much "durr prequels be dumb hurr", so don't worry i won't lose sleep over wondering what your next intelligent and thought provoking post would've been.
The patrician answer
2>1>3>6>>>>>>>>>>>7>>>>>>>>4=5
>>63842257
>You post was pretty much "durr prequels be dumb hurr"
Not him, but those movies were pretty much dumb as hell.
>>63837789
TFA is an 8/10, so, no.
>>63842241
>General Fucking Grievous
What's wrong with him?
>>63842279
You mean
7>>>>>>>1>2>3>6>5>>>>>>4
>>63840379
> Expanding a world is being a hack
> Cloning Originals is godlike
Go fuck yourself
>>63842186
No, it's "<insert new movie in a popular franchise here>".
>>63837789
Uh, no. The movie didn't make me cum rainbows but it was still better than all of the prequels and *maybe* rotj
>>63842279
No, that's the "I need attention" answer.
>>63842321
Is there a less threathening, poorly motivated, more irrelevant character in the history of cinema? Is it right that we never heard of him in the other two movies? He was a waste of CGI, everything was wrong.
>>63842362
No, I meant what I posted.
>>63842388
No you didn't.
>>63840196
>Giving money to watch ANH updated for the CURRENT YEAR
What a cuck.
>>63842306
They were better than 7 though.
>>63837789
>/tv/ has become so contrarian that their defending the prequels
Audible keks
>>63842403
Yes I did
>>63842386
>less threathening
There is. Kylo Ren.
>>63842366
>thinking I even implied that VII was good
George is as much at fault for VII existing as JJ. Try actually reading posts before you reply to them.
>>63842485
Are you 100% sure?
>>63837974
>>63837827
Are you talking about the new Star Wars movie?
>>63842516
>>63841665
Said no one ever
>>63842257
and your post assumes I every time I call the prequels shit, I have to include a ten page essay about why they're shit along with it, so you know.
in fact the only reason I made my original post was to point out that saying "at least it added things to the universe" isn't a valid point without specifying whether the things added were good or not.
>People are unironically defending the prequels now
Is this real life? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Anon, the prequels are evil!
The only problem with the prequels was shitty execution. The stories were good, the cgi and dialogue had some really bad parts.
TFA was basically avengers with a star wars skin. Fucking terrible. The story was shit, the pacing was shit, the acting was shit, and JJ did a terrible job keeping the star wars aesthetic. There was no character development at all. By the time Qui Gon died at the end of Ep. 1, I cared about him and was moved by his death. JJ fucked this movie up so bad that I laughed when Han died.
>>63838280
7 is shit, just admit it
>>63842599
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE SEQUELS ARE EVIL.
>>63842599
I don't fucking get this.
Why can't people hate all four piece of shit movies? The series should've stopped at Return. Nothing has changed that yet.
>>63842605
This desu, the difference between prequels and VII is all in the execution, VII was well executed enough that the normies won't notice it's a generic rehash of a New Hope
>>63842679
god I wish I had seen Revenge of the Sith in theaters, I have would busted out laughing at this like I usually do now.
>>63842591
It is a valid point. It expands the universe, it deepens the lore. TFA is a shallow cardboard of a movie, you fell for the fancy special effects, witty dialogue and a pace so fast that you can't have a moment to even think about the plot, after it's over it leaves you with nothing.
The prequels were epics, TFA was an action flick.
>>63838640
>>63838640
>>63838640
this was my biggest fear and I still havn't seen it so now I'm really unexcited about this
on the other hand with all the other shit coming out right now that does EXACTLY the same thing I'm hoping people will start getting fed up and demand more quality and less shit from their fictionyeah, like that'll ever happen
goddammit I miss homer, shakespear, tolkien, herbert, jaques, and pratchett
>>63842695
I don't fucking get this.
Why can't people hate all seven piece of shit movies? The series should've stopped at the original. Nothing has changed that yet.
>>63842128
>and that George somehow isn't an awful director
He directed the OT. Yes, the prequels were awful, but there's got to be something in him that made him capable of making the series we've grown to love.
I can tell you for certain that there's nothing in JJ Abrams except mediocrity and a lust for shekels. While Lucas built his career on a great trilogy, which only later allowed him to make a shitty prequel trilogy to make money selling toys, JJ built his career on stamping the names of famous franchises on movies that play like they were written by a market research group (which they were).
+ Stormstroopers: The stormtrooper designs were done very well, they looked like a natural evolution from the clone wars to the galactic empire, this includes their armor and weapons as well. Another bonus to the stormtroopers is that their soldiers showed more personality than in previous films (We see them have sad deaths, feel for their comrades, and have a bit of a sense of humor)
+ Set design: The majority of the interior sets and locations looked flawless in their design in regards to the Star Wars universe
+ Sound: The SFX in most of Abram's films have a very exaggerated tone to them and are very loud and powerful in style, which is a positive
+ Creature and droid designs: looked flawless in their design in regards to the Star Wars universe
- Story: The story itself is almost a complete rehash of the original movie (see image)
-Origin of story: There are no explanations to the First Order, the Resistance, or what has happened with the New Republic between the end of ROTJ and the beginning of the new film. We are introduced to whole new worlds and organizations with no back story
- Vehicle design: The majority of vehicles in the movie are almost exact copies of the original trilogy, with little to no original designs or evolutions.
- Music: Other than re-used themes from the previous films, there was no music that stood out, no individual themes that one could immediately recognize
>>63842946
jacques*
>>63842976
- Camerawork: Abrams constantly uses shots that are foreign to Star Wars as well as a film in this type of genre, including violating the rules of thirds in the close-ups and "hard zooms" and dutch angles. There are too many extreme close shots which causes a sense of being cramped and claustrophobic. The grading and lighting was dark and the shots were too quick-paced. An adventure film of this caliber should have many wide open establishing shots, and also close-up shots are almost never closer than the top of the head down to mid-chest level (These rules also applied to all of the Original films and prequels)
- Pacing: The pacing was too fast, no time to absorb the characters, the universe and the story, there were no breaks long enough for story development
- Phasma: Seriously, what the fuck was she there for? Not just in story but even just there in the First Order
- Han's death: Retarded in every way, forced, and contrived
- Finn/Rey: Both of them are "Mary sue" and "Gary Sue" and have no character development in the whole film (contrast this with all the main characters in the original Star Wars)
- Nazi Symbolism: Too obvious and ham-fisted
- Bad CGI: Why was Maz Kanata and Supreme Leader Snoke CGI?
- Plothole, lightsaber: How did that lightsaber, which was the one in Luke's hand when it was cut off and fell down the vents in Bespin City, get into the wooden chest?
- Plothole, starkiller: How did that massive planet/moon get built over years without drawing the attention of the Republic or Resistance? How was it funded versus the Death Stars which were government funded projects?
>>63842854
>you fell for the fancy special effects, witty dialogue and a pace so fast that you can't have a moment to even think about the plot, after it's over it leaves you with nothing.
why do you keep putting words in my mouth? i haven't said anything about TFA up to this point. i just said "the prequels are bad movies and this particular point is bad".
>>63843019
- Plothole, battle of the starkiller: Why didn't the resistance gather intel? Why did they just do a quick minute long discussion on how MAYBE to attack the Starkiller? Why no assumption there was a bait and switch like the 2nd Death Star? Where was the First Order Star Destroyer during the whole battle? Why did Han flying the Millennium Falcon not even think or hypothesize on how they were going to break into the starkiller until they were already there? Why did the resistance have only a dozen or so x-wings?
- Plothole, TIE fighter: Why did the TIE fighters have turrets on the back only when the plot required it?
- Plothole, Finn: How and why did he suddenly develop a desire to escape and run from the First Order despite being trained from being an infant?
- Plothole, Rey: Even if she was force sensitive, how did she suddenly learn and master force abilities and lightsaber techniques throughout the movie with no training or even knowledge of these skills? How did Rey learn how to pilot starships?
- Plothole, Kylo Ren: Why was Kylo Ren almost defeated by Finn, who has no known force powers and had just picked up the lightsaber, and then practically defeated by Rey who had just discovered she had any force powers at all? What was Kylo's motivation for being a student of the dark side besides just being a fanboy of Darth Vader? Also did he not know about Vader's last minute move to the light side, was he not aware of this fact?
- Plothole, First Order & Resistance: How does the First Order become a threat when they have no control over any actual populated planets with no government, and what exactly is the Resistance, backed by the New Republic, "resisting" against?
>>63842946
Hey i was expecting it to be like this since JJ was directing it. It's not so bad though, it is a fun movie to watch, it keeps you entertained all the way through. If you liked JJ's star trek you're gonna like this too.
>>63837789
This film was one of the finest of the year
Those who can't appreciate the art of cinema and only enjoy My Little Pony will never understand what true film is about. This was a love letter to the history of the medium, to science fiction in general, to the entirety of the human story.
Sorry you guys got spoiled or need to pretend you hate everything. You guys want to be such safe place sheep why don't you go on over to reddit?
>remake A New Hope
>bring back Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher when they're both old and worn out through coke abuse, thus ruining the memory forever
>people actually thought this would be a good idea
>>63843031
Oh, well ok i thought we were comparing the two. Still, the prequels have their positive qualities, i stand by my point.
>>63842946
also, here are two spoilers posted a while ago from somebody connected to the production team that seem to have been legit
thought it might be interesting to repost these
1/2
>>63839520
Here's your
>>63842605
>The stories were good
The Phantom Menace was completely unnecessary for the overarching plot of the trilogy. That alone showcases how shitty the writing was.
>>63842516
I don't think he meant it. Things are getting heated, we sometimes say stupid shit
>>63843162
2/2
>>63843090
>JJ
>Star Wars and Star Trek
motherfucker is playing both sides for maximum profit
>>63843200
shit, meant to hit the spoiler box, apologies /tv/
I would like some kind of animated series like the clone wars cartoon that fills the gap between episodes 6 and 7, I've always wanted to see Luke rebuild the jedi order
>>63842511
Point taken, if Lucas didn't fuck up and make movies with subpar actors and cringy moments.
The series wouldn't have to be rebooted.
Still don't think he's a hack for trying to expand the story. If anything, he experimented with more characters than just the basic formula. More ideas and twists. Yeah, experimentation sometimes leads to failure
But art is never technically a failure, just unnappreciated in the moment
>>63842523
Muay Muay Hot! Mesa Likey
>>63843090
I hate star trek for the shitty world building even though I love the characters and both TOS and TNG, but I am not at all interested in any of JJ's bullshit (I was trying to forget about this for the sake of star wars but it looks like I'm going to be walking out at the first lens flare)
>>63843289
let's try to forget that that was the ideal story they should have told for this next movie but they waited too damn long (actors-wise) and instead spent time making those fucking prequels
>>63842679
kek
>>63841100
Prequels
>bad acting
>extremely bad writing
>pointless childish stuff that objectively had no place in there
>things added for the sake of being in there
>jar jar in episode 1
>kid Anakin
Episode 7
>Very good acting
>impressive scenery
>Good music although I agree that the prequels also had good music.
>Likeable cast
>Intriguing antagonists
>Better writing that arguably any other SW movie, although the story was as safe as it gets
>I give it that not-death-star thing was rushed. Only bad thing I can find in episode 7.
Yeah, you're just being full of shit pretty much
>>63838194
Fellow waytoooldfag here seconding that.
I came out of every prequel hating the dialogue but feeling like I'd just seen something cool that I'd never seen before. The podrace, the Maul fight, the Coruscant chase, the Jango vs Obi Wan fights, the second half of ROTS. They were like Avatar, in that while the story and dialogue had lots of room for improvement, they were technical marvels of their time.
TFA had none of that, it was just inferior rehashes of OT elements with shitty Disney effects and cutesy Disney characters. With past their prime OT actors shoehorned in and looking all the more pathetic for it.
But for me, innovative dreck beats derivative dreck every fucking time.
>>63837789
>TFA was actually a clever ploy to retroactively redeem George Lucas's name
>It backfired and people think this mediocre movie is amazing simply because it isn't the prequel trilogy
>>63843019
>>63843065
Disneyfags blown the fuck out. 7 was easily the most insipid, uninspired, derivative and poorly paced pieces of shit I have ever wasted two hours watching. The prequels at least had a sense of scale, had a good soundtrack, and gave the impression of being somewhat of a saga. TFA felt like a series of Star Wars cliches being shown in rapid succession.
>>63843590
so what you're saying is episode 7 did absolutely nothing to advance the star wars story?
THEN WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT!?money
>>63837944
6=5>4>7>3=1>2
>>63837789
It was JUST what I expected, this rehash is nothing but a glib facsimile.
If Star Wars was all I had access to as a child in terms of sci-fi I probably would become one of those crazy fanboys, but thankfully I had access to anime from very early on in my youth years that my mental balance is very stable.
Seriously, if you have watched Akira, you'd realize just how sophisticated anime is and it blows away anything Star Wars would have to offer.
A lot of people mention Ghost In The Shell, which has just enough of sexuality in the mix to draw in the western audience I suppose but I must say that Ghost In The Shell is not even in my top 10 anime, not even close, that's just how deep the world of anime is.
Some anime is so disturbingly mature like Fractale that I wish it would challenge the system and submit it as a Drama category in the Oscars just to bitchslap the snotty Academy.
It's not just the level of maturity and sophistication anime has, it's also quite original, entertaining, and visually fantastic. I would regard anime as the highest form of cinema art-form.
But hey, me preaching about anime won't do you any good, you gotta go out and see it for yourself just how much you are missing.
The recent one I would recommend to check out is Sword Art Online which is light and easy to get into anime for the first time yet appreciate it as much, but if you want the heavy stuff right off the line check out Guilty Crown in which the plot is so complex and twisted that you'll need extra oxygen pumped into your brain in order to comprehend everything, and if you want amazing visuals and a gripping drama that also has awesome mecha battles Aldnoah.Zero is the shit.
Seriously, if you know anime like I do, Star Wars looks like it's something for little kids.
>>63839103
LOADSA FOKKEN MONEY
>>63843812
is this really happening?
who posts this kind of retarded bait in a star wars thread?
>>63843590
>Intriguing antagonists
Wow, it's like you're just pulling things out of your ass so you can present a long list of positives. TFA had awful villains.
>>63843590
>Prequels
>>bad acting
>>extremely bad writing
>>pointless childish stuff that objectively had no place in there
>>things added for the sake of being in there
>>jar jar in episode 1
>>kid Anakin
True. Valid criticism, and it has a lot more flaws than that.
>>Very good acting
>impressive scenery
true
>>Good music although I agree that the prequels also had good music.
music is mediocre and the prequel soundtrack blows it the fuck out
>>Likeable cast
Matter of opinion. I like the prequel cast too except for kid anakin.
>>Intriguing antagonists
same with the prequels, although i will admit i like kylo ren better.
>>Better writing that arguably any other SW movie
i suppose you're right, but it's not necessarily a good thing, every word out of their mouth is something sassy and witty and it goes hand in had with the extremely fast pace of the movie. It doesn't feel natural and organic at all.
>>63843851
it's pasta
>>63843179
Jar Jar was meant to be Darth Tyrannus (Dinosaur). Huge plot changes were made after the Jar Jar hate. See Darth Jar Jar for more details
>>63838173
its a kids movie about trade negotiations. a match made in heaven.
I liked the Yoda fights in the prequels
That was such an AW SHIT moment in the theater
>>63838173
Sheev trying to conquer naboo through the trade federation and destabilize the republic to get more power.
>>63838173
senator palpatine from naboo's scheme for galactic domination begins as he sets up an invasion of his planet by the trade federation to get the chancellor of the senate kicked out with a vote of no confidence and is then elected to take his place. also obi wan finds anakin as a slave on tatooine and takes him on as his apprentice
>>63844002
this was how I reacted to all of the prequel lightsaber fights because all the original trilogy's fights were so slow and hacking by comparison (as if those lightsabers actually weighed as much as a sword whereas the prequels acknowledged that lightsabers should be much more agile)
>>63843590
>Very good acting
Rey was one of the main characters and Ridley was fucking appalling. Was she seriously the best actress that auditioned for the role? I find that hard to believe. Not once during the entire movie did I give a shit what happened to her.
I will say Boyega was decent, though I felt his whole characterisation was a bit rushed.
>Good music although I agree that the prequels also had good music.
Cannot recall a single theme from the music that stood out. Considering how much I love even some of the prequel ones, I was actively looking for some new good Williams material, but there wasn't any.
>>63843812
> Anime
> Mentally Stable
> Goes off on obscure titles
Did you just try to recruit me to your cult in my moment of weakness?
>>63843785
I think that what episode 7 was supposed to do and successfully did is set up for episode 8 and 9. Don't you deny you aren't hyped for episode 8. I think it did a great job and the 2 remaining episodes have the potential to be top tier.
Otherwise yes, the story was bland and felt pointless and I give it that.
It was not bad though, just soulless. Bread is not a godlike food, but it's not bad. You just eat it with other foods that are better. Episode 7 just goes with episode 8 and 9 who should be better, or there's no god.
>>63844206
see >>63843881
you are truly weak if you don't read the thread
/pol/ IS SO MAD RIGHT NOW HAHAHAHA EAT IT TRUMPKEKS
