Were the Republic and the Resistance separate same entities? Because what the First Order said they did with the starkiller comes off as a pretty massive declaration of war.
>>63826485
Yeah. The Republic and Empire have a truce, but the Republic is secretly funding and helping the Resistance, a group that's resisting what remains of the Empire.
>>63826485
The Republic is the new government established after the Battle of Endor.
The Resistance is basically the Republic's military tasked with destroying the remnants of the Empire (the First Order).
It's ironic that while the prequels had way too much politics and trade negotiations and shit, TFA could have used some more political exposition to make this whole situation clearer.
I wish we knew anything at all about the new Republic. Who cares if they get starkilled if we've never seen them?
>>63826953
The Republic wasn't destroyed, the capital of the Republic is on Chandrila.
The planet that you saw getting rekt by Starkiller was Hosnian Prime.
>>63827005
But weren't they part of the republic? Why blow it up if they're not?
>>63826485
who cares more pictures of Portman.
>>63827005
>>63827052
That was the capital. New Republic got fucked up.
i was wondering this same thing. if they're different entities, does the republic have a fleet as well? if so, what the fuck were they doing throughout the movie?
>>63827216
They can't officially support the Resistance because ???
>>63826888
>could have used some more political exposition
>more political exposition
oh fuck no!
>>63827147
i'm confused now
>>63827267
considering there wasn't any political exposition aside from the opening crawl, i agree with the other anon
>>63827147
>>63827290
>>63827005
The Republic moves to a new planet every few years. Jesus, do some fucking research.
>>63827147
>>63827290
The Hosnian Prime information is false, i actually read the (canon) novel Star Wars: Aftermath and it makes it clear that Chandrila is the new capital and location of the Galactic Senate.
>>63827121
Hershlag should've been in the new Star Wars desu
>>63826485
a glib facsimile
>>63827121
oh my god that belly looks just soft and flabby enough for tickles
>>63827290
>>63827376
>>63827290
They rotate which world is the capital and Hosnian Prime drew the short straw during TFA
>>63827376
The Hosnian Prime info comes from the databank which is being filled with movie info. This will supersede anything from novels, the novel will be retconned imo.
>>63827121
>>63827360
>>63827404
that seems really inefficient
how can you govern when you have to pack up and move around constantly?
>>63827360
Are there new books out? I hadn't looked for fear of spoilers
>>63827447
Because if you haven't the noticed the republic in every iteration is a bloated and useless organization, but I suppose they aren't space racists like the Empire which is why all the ethnic aliens like it more
>>63827267
He's right, though. Blowing up the senate planet meant very little. Similarly, we have no idea of the scale of the first order. Near as you can tell from on screen, they've got a Star Destroyer, a planet based Death Star thingy, and a bunch of tie fighters and some troop ships. How big either faction is is really vague, aside from the resistance that is basically the old rebel alliance sized manned by people who couldn't figure out what to do once they sort-of won.
>>63827376
>novel
>canon
Do you people never learn?
>>63827005
How do you know this?
Its not in the movies. Why did they even blow up a bunch of planets that werent ever mentioned before, werent reacted to afterwards, or will ever be brought up again? What the actual crikey is going on?
>>63826888
I would watch 3 hours of a New Republic senate hearing and enjoy it
>>63827385
Hershlag is tight!
>>63826625
So the Republic are the bad guys
>>63827565
Sam reason America didn't nuke Tokyo first I suppose
>>63827565
new Visual Guide came out today
they're continuing the tradition of putting all the lore in separate books
>>63827581
>>63827598
cmon nigger stop with the thumbnails
>>63827539
Everything released after November 2014 is now canon, deal with it.
>>63827591
>movie ends with awkward helicopter shot around a mysterious hooded ambassador from Naboo
>>63826888
>"The Resistance is basically the Republic's military tasked with destroying the remnants of the Empire (the First Order)."
>30 years
>still fighting the remnants of the empire
they're even worse than American military
>>63827644
Even the new SW:TOR expansion?
>>63827666
The galaxy is big.
>>63827631
What is Padme looking at?
>>63827658
dat tummy doe
>>63827671
yes
>>63827698
You too.
>>63827699
BBC
>>63827705
>>63826888
>TFA could have used some more political exposition to make this whole situation clearer.
yeah, i agree
>>63827666
Why did the Empire basically give up and go home at the end of ROTJ anyway? Seeing as all the EU about the remnant isn't canon anymore what the fuck were they doing for 30 years besides building Deathstar 3.0?
>>63827631
Anakin got cucked
>>63827698
R2-4U
>>63827734
noice
>>63827754
Kidnapping babbies and brainwashing them into new Stormtroopers since apparently they can't clone anymore.
They were building up an army before they did anything big.
![250[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AVHsiJH.jpg "250[1].jpg")
>>63827609
correct
>>63827795
What happened to all the forces they still had? Did they just throw in the towel because Sheev died? This isn't like Germany in 1945 where they were getting DP'd by 2 fronts.
>>63827121
>tfw being a horny 13 year old and seeing this movie in theaters
The faps I had back then.
God damn I want to go back to those days
>>63827631
MUH
>>63827844
All the higher-ups in the military command were killed, making it easy for most of the troops to just say "fuck it" and hang up their blasters instead of fighting a leaderless battle.
Also, without Sheev around to mindfuck everyone into thinking the Empire is a good thing you'd have a lot more disillusioned officers and politicians.
>>63827658
I came, twice
>>63827844
Who the fuck knows. Maybe we still have the Second, Third, and Fourth Orders to worry about
>>63827936
Hah I was 27 and I fapped to it.
>>63828019
All of them? Every single one was at Endor and died? Was it an inside job?
>>63827609
From a certain point of view
>>63828081
No, the ones who weren't around were the ones that stuck around for the First Order. The few higher-ups were totally at the Death Star, though. It was even being visited by Sheev, so most likely there was a whole bunch of ass-kissing civvy politicians on it as well. So what you've got left are the Star Destroyer captains and a couple of Commadores or whatever who kept things together for the First Order.
Mostly it's probably just the effect of everyone being free from Sheev's mindfuckery, and people following along.
>>63827795
Why can't they clone anymore?
>>63828235
They can its just it seems they dropped that and decided to kidnap kids instead to brainwash.
>>63828235
Cloning is racist, how will the Africans and Asians get representation if everyone's a Maori?
>>63828235
Everyone who knew how to work the cloning devices on Kamino got blown up
>>63827384
This meme is worth... one half portion
>>63827626
Tokyo was already fire bombed to a pile of smoking rubble. The first nukes were reserved for mostly untouched targets so they could study the effects afterwards.
>>63828235
Cost-effectiveness most probably.
Take an ordinary child and brainwash them and you've got a soldier that lives a normal lifespan and doesn't cost more than any other solider.
Clone a bunch of soldiers and you've got all the same brainwashing and feeding costs, except with the added cloning cost, and if you're going the clone-trooper way then you've also got them dying prematurely due to accelerated aging.
Never doubt a military command's ability to dump a good idea out of cost-effectiveness.
>>63827627
Christ, there's more than I thought
I'll just wait for spergs to put all the info on the wiki instead
>>63828235
The Kaminoans don't like the size of their pocketbooks and they don't even know how to get there because Dexter Jettster (the key to all of this) is not a good friend of theirs
>>63828422
>Rey meets BB-8
More like Rey Meats BBC
>>63828422
literally what is a "flashlight adventure book"
>>63828422
To be fair, most of those are activity books and adaptations of the movie for adolescent and teenage audiences.
>>63828354
It must have taken ages to find so many non-cloned troopers that are exactly the same height...
>>63828500
Sometimes canon lore is found in a coloring book for 4 year olds and nowhere else
They must be catalogued
>>63828422
>that cutesy YA novel font
>>63828505
Movie explains that they're all conscripted as children. Maybe they undergo some sort of drug or gene therapy to give them a uniform appearance (because it's more cost effective to drug their soldiers than it would be to manufacture armor in different sizes).
>>63828505
They've got advanced cloning and accelerated aging technology in this universe. Compared to that it's simple to give kids growth hormones until they all reach the same height. Then if you still ended up with a clone trooper too short you just dump them. They obviously didn't mind tall ones, what with Phasma.
>>63828481
>Grab your flashlight and discover hidden surprises as you explore planet Jakku with Rey, Finn, and BB-8. This box set features a board book with pop-ups on every spread, and a real working flashlight that plays five different sounds from Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
>>63828659
>somewhere in the galaxy there's a mass grave of manlet stormtroopers
>>63827267
You're an idiot. The political scenes in the prequels were great and set the stage for the original trilogy. This timw we had fuckall idea on what stake there was on the republic and why it was important. It felt like a non-event and a third-party in the grand scale of things
>>63828660
that actually sounds cool
>>63827671
No SW:Tor is the exception
>>63828694
They're just dumped on Manlet Planet. Otherwise know asEndor.
>>63827511
New Republic = USA
Resistence = ISIS
First Order = Syria
The New Republic was arming a terrorist organization to fight as proxy against the First Order, a legitimate government
>>63828660
>>63828481
>Grab your flashlight and discover hidden surprises as you explore planet Jakku with Rey
>>63827121
>>63828894
I don't understand why a military group paid and outfitted by the new republic would call itself Resistance. They are part of a new established government group but paint themselves as an underdog group. It's retarded you don't do that unless your group consist of 5 people the Rebel Alliance had a much bigger impact.
At the end its propably just Disney and Jew Jew recreating ANH and pandering to nostaslgia with an underdog story which doesn't really exist.
>>63828308
I thought it was on Geonosis?
>>63828422
Where are the mature novels for adults such as myself?
>>63826888
Why are they called the resistance if they won the war?
How did the first order fund the construction of that shit if they were in tatters after losing?
Is all this purely for the sake of copying New Hope's plot?
>>63829347
The Death Star wasn't full of money. The remnants of the Empire were still very rich
I agree calling it the Resistance is dumb though
>>63829386
I thought the idea of winning a war was that your enemy couldn't fight no more.
If they had all that money and resources leftover, why was the end of rotj considered a win for the republic?
>>63829537
The emperor was killed and their superweapon destroyed. That was a big win but the war wasn't over
They spent the next 30 years hunting down imperial sympathizers in fear that they would band together and attack them again
I guess they missed the first order...
>>63829537
Because they killed Hitler, Hitler's super-assassin that's feared across the galaxy AND destroyed his ultimate wunderwaffe.
>>63829199
>desert planet of tat.... I mean jakku
>will our heroes the reb...I mean resistance
>fighting the evil emp.... I mean first order
>>63827262
Because that would be an open declaration of war.
>>63829767
So basically there are TWO existing governments?
Werent they at war to begin with?
The First Order did nothing wrong.
>>63828915
>>63829816
There's thousands of governments. They're all aligned with either side, with some staying out of the fight or waiting to see which will win.
>>63829816
The Resistance and the First order are both splinter groups from the different sides that are basically fighting a proxy war. Its like USSR and USA in the cold war.
Assume that some time after Endor they signed a peace treaty or cease fire. The emperor and vader were dead, the fleet was in shambles, and the rebellion had legitimacy and momentum.
>>63828545
Wookipedia is so lucky to have you as a contributor.
>>63829816
There have always oodles of neutral or unaligned systems. Hutt's controlled big chunks of the outer rim, and trade lanes. Aldaraan was neutral. No one bothered with most of the outer rim.
>>63829767
So the Rebels murdered the emperor, founded a new government, and then said "we're totally not at war"?
>>63830303
>it's always the trilby that's 2 sizes too small
>>63830491
>then said "we're totally not at war"?
I'm assuming that some time after doing all those things a cease fire or peace treaty was signed.
>>63826485
Here's what i got out of it:
The Republic is the new galactic government body, which I gathered was supposed to be more benevolent and neutral than the Empire, much like the old Senate. But they're secretly supporting the Resistance because the First Order, which appears to be some kind of Empire-themed paramilitary boyscout organization for adults, is getting too powerful, aggressive, and clearly intends to overthrow them.
>>63830638
Who had the authority to sign a peace treaty after the Emperor was dead?
>>63830864
Why wouldn't they publicly condemn the First Order and send their fleet after them? They're the enemy. There's no reason to secretly support anything.
>>63830638
But that's the thing. We have no clue without checking wookiepedia. We at least need to know the backdrop to understand the motivations of the factions and the plot better
A simple news headline or villager talk while Rey was on the line in the junkshop could at least give us an idea
>>63831070
>We have no clue without checking wookiepedia
I'll be honest, I'm completely ignoring all my knowledge of the EU, and just assuming a logical conclusion to the events over Endor, and the intervening years.
I agree though, i wouldn't have minded a little bit more time spent establishing the setting BUT ANH starts pretty cold as well and all you ever learn about galactic politics is that the Emperor has dissolved the senate and the Moffs will govern their regions directly.
>>63830934
A council of Moffs?
Or the empire fragments into smaller states and the First Order is one of the remnants.
>>63827360
I'm glad they made it clear in the movie.
>>63831213
I am also ignoring my EU knowledge because I am now confused what is canon and not. But the difference in ANH is that the emperor dissolving the senate and only the rebel alliance intact is that it leaves us with two opposing forces. Easy enough to understand.
Having 3 factions where one is supported by the "legitimate" government that somehow has not openly opposed/allowed splinters of its old enemy move about freely and a faction being called the "resistance" when it has support of the "legitimate" government is ???????
>>63831569
>Having 3 factions where one is supported by the "legitimate" government that somehow has not openly opposed/allowed splinters of its old enemy move about freely and a faction being called the "resistance" when it has support of the "legitimate" government is ???????
State supported insurgency like pic related.
I also remember Domhnall Gleeson having a few lines of exposition about the resistance. Something about the Republic allowing them to operate inside their controlled space, and finally being allowed to take the war to them.
I agree that a tiny bit more exposition wouldn't have hurt, but that wasn't the problem I had with the movie.
>>63829100
>I don't understand why a military group paid and outfitted by the new republic would call itself Resistance.
Because they're not officially paid for and outfitted by the Republic. Like Hux said before he popped Hosnian Prime, the Republic Senate tells lies.
>>63829588
>I guess they missed the first order...
But if the NR was in cahoots with the horribly named "resistance." How come they didn't see this coming? Like...at all. You can explain Alderaan's demise because the rebellion was hella weak at the time. But the NR was in power and calling the shots. Aftermath says Mon Mothma wanted to disarm and even if you assume that they did, how come they had no clue the attack was coming or that the first order posed a serious threat? Is the New Republic really that inept without Luke around?
>>63827778
Underrated post.
>>63832174
>how come they had no clue the attack was coming or that the first order posed a serious threat?
They did. That's literally the reason why the resistance exists. The republic wanted to maintain their benevolent peaceful facade while Leia and people loyal to her began operating extra-legally to actually take on the obvious threat.
Starkiller base was hidden.
>>63831809
It kind of makes sense and it doesn't. The NR and the FO are two different "governing bodies" yes, but they seek to control the same "territory", whereas Afghanistan isn't attempting to rule both itself and USA
Anyway why resistence had only fighters? They had Mon Calamari cruisers n other shit
>Inb4 they gave them to NR
>>63832358
Well that's stupid then. The Order should have been punished for war crimes, not treated as if it was a party worthy of representation in the New Republic
>>63832465
>Anyway why resistence had only fighters?
They say in the movie that their fleet is scattered all over and they can't get them together in time to mount an attack. That's why they send the squadrons of x-wins. It's all they had.
The part that bothers me more is that the mission profile seems like it would have been far better suited to B-wings or at least a squadron of Y-Wings.
>>63832358
>The republic wanted to maintain their benevolent peaceful facade
So they basically didn't ramp up the resistance despite being run by a bunch of former rebel leaders (who should be on their toes for this sorta stuff), and let themselves get blown to bits so JJ Abrams can sell us a re-packed OT?
Man, fuck this new trilogy.
>>63826625
The republic= turkey
The resistance= ISIS
New order= russia
I feel like The Republic decided that The First Order were contained, no longer a real threat and saw no reason to go in there to continue a bloody war.
I think The First Order's plan was probably to blow up a few star systems, maybe it was in neutral or Republic territory? Which would lure the Republic into a full on war once again where they would use the Starkiller to decimate their fleet.
Seems kinda a dumb idea idk.
>>63832554
Yeach let's send fighters agaist bombing target.
And B wings are enough for that with X's escort
>>63832465
I think that the timeline was too short to gather an effective fleet ala Return of the Jedi
>>63832572
>Republic = Iran
>Resistance = Hezbollah
>Empire = Israel
>First Order = IDF
>Starkiller base = Nukes
and that's how they got money for funding the Starkiller base, the USA
>>63832572
>So they basically didn't ramp up the resistance despite being run by a bunch of former rebel leaders (who should be on their toes for this sorta stuff)
That's why its run by former rebel leaders. They know how to fight an uphill battle with limited resources. Also, royalty from a planet that got destroyed BECAUSE of their pacifistic nature is the one we see in charge.
Not to mention they had two massive intergalactic civil wars in 20 years, the population was probably just tired of that shit. Like the post WWII powers. Instead of open war they switched to economic, cold, and proxy wars.
>>63832673
never change
>Chewie has a life debt to han and his family
>Chewie shoots Han's son first
PLOT HOLES AND POTTERY
>>63827631
>upscaled
>>63831809
insurgency against a toppled regime?
are they like resistance fighters in places where the empire still has power, fighting for freedom and democracy?
and why doesnt the new republic have a fleet didnt they win the empire?
I can't be the only one that think every movie that has happened since the original trilogy is severely lacking in aerial/space combat segments am I? The best parts of the original trilogy was watching Luke and Han/Lando fly into battle. I was severely disappointed the scenes with Xwings were limited to short few second bursts.
>>63833023
As I mentioned before. In Aftermath there is much talk of disarming. I'm left to believe the NR disarmed and they funded the "resistance" to secretly carry out their agenda.
>>63833155
>disarming when your opponent still has armaments
Fucking stupid
>>63833155
>funding a clandestine military force thats called the resistance and everyone knows about
>>63833275
>disarming when your opponent still has armaments
>Fucking stupid
eh
>>63833101
This was the biggest disappointment for me personally with the prequels.
The battle over endor was always my favorite part of the trilogy as a kid, and I played the shit out of all the X-Wing and TIE fighter games.
The phantom menace just has babby anakin flying PAST the space battle and then parking in a hangar for 15 minutes.
Clone wars has the chase with Jango Fett and Obi Wan, and its not awful, but its no fucking space battle.
The Revenge of the Sith just shits the bed by showing a visually interesting battle of capitol ships and fighters beating the shit out of each other over corusant. But instead of having some gun with it, and making a really fun action setpiece Anakin and Obi Wan just fly past it to have some wacky hijinks with fucking buzz droids before miserable scene after miserable scene on Grevious's ship.
Fuck I hate the prequels.
First Order = IRA
Resistance = Ulster Loyalists
Republic = UK
>>63833332
>america
>disarmed
wut
>>63827671
TOR is under the Legends line which is the old EU that was always non-canon. Everything NOT in that line is canon.
>come to bed anonkin
>>63833311
I'm not saying it makes sense. Its just the best explanation I can come up with.
>>63833343
Revenge of the Sith first sequence since ROTJ that gave us a large scale space war. I like dogfights, too but capital ship fights just hypes me more
>>63833441
Daily reminder that he was like 10 years younger than her.
>>63833455
yea its shit and doesnt make sense
why you even bothered trying to defend it is beyond me
>>63833489
Right. But instead of exploring that, and having them dodge point blank turbo laser blasts as they chase down a ship, boarding parties between big ships, and ships falling out of orbit and wrecking the city below; instead of all that our protagonist ignore it after one establishing shot to go fuck around with droids and Sheev makes cringe worthy reactions to dooku and the jedi having a shitty CGI sword fight.
>>63833519
Only five or six, actually. She was ~16 in the first movie, Anakin was ~10.
>>63833519
>>63833617
I think Portman was around 16 or 17 but Padme was closer to 13 or 14.
>>63833695
>Padme was closer to 13 or 14.
Just the right age for the people I want running my planet.
>>63833539
I...I...I don't even know anymore man. I saw the movie a little over 12 hours ago and I've barley slept. Killing Han after all the other shit was just such a slap to the face. The prequels were riddled with faults yes but...man I can't believe Disney fucking did that.
>>63827434
>Dat scene
Hnnng
>>63833275
The evil empire had weapons. We're not like them!
>>63833838
But everything turned out fine!
>>63834061
The evil empire was not yet completely eradicated
>>63829347
I'm sure Star Wars:Battlefront will explain everything.Available NOW at a store near you and online.ORDER NOW.
>>63833441
b..but she is a jew !
>this thread
>>63826485
Yes,OP.
>>63827434
How does the space cat rip her sleeve off without cutting her arm?
>>63827631
How did such nipples make it into a Star Wars film?
>>63827669
There was a fair explanation in that very same thread: >>63827664
It's really starting to bother me that people keep on making the comparison.
>>63835721
There needs to be a simple graphic to explain it
preferably with screencaps so I guess we're waiting until the bluray
