>Film will never have a piece of media on the same level of artistry as these three masterpieces
Top kek, are you fags even trying?
Why do you still pretend that video games aren't an artform?
>Literally 'boring, the videogames'
>masterpieces
How deep has /tv/ fallen.
>>63595253
>It's boring so it's not good
Go back to your capeshit and Star Wars son.
I agree with you but you posted the wrong games.
Fuck you /v/. You don't actually give a fuck. You have no idea what the fuck is good about video games. I hate you
When it comes to vidya as art, the Slavs beat all
>>63595294
>Game of Thrones
>Boyhood
>Cloud Atlas
>KLK
>Naruto
>Whatever that bottom anime is
>Gone Home
>Minecraft
>Dragon Age
>Bioshit
>FF7
>Comic books and cartoons
This was made by a an underage or a manchild right?
Come back after you've seen (and thought about - this is important) more than 50 films. Thanks.
>>63595360
of course dummy, it's a troll image
>>63595278
Boring is a detrimental term which cannot mean it is good. Boredom is not good. When you are playing a game and the player is bored, they are playing a shit game.
Fucking /veddit/ kids.
>>63595360
the picture would have mlp on it if it wasnt against the rules so what do you think
>>63595213
>cinematic games
>good
Those are literally just books/flicks with button prompts.
Quake 3 and Diablo 2 are better examples of masterpiece game design.
blacks are ok
>>63595213
Posing better three game masterpieces
>>63595495
>undertale
fuck off furfag
>>63595213
Are you retarded? Replace whatever that shit is on the left with Red Dead Redemption and we're good. Now that's a true masterpiece of a game.
>>63595495
Undertale is Reddit meme shit and Spec Ops The Line is pretty much a Michael Bay adaptation of Heart of Darkness.
Hotline Miami isn't art but at least it's fun.
>>63595535
That game went to complete shit after you reach mexico
>>63595439
>"interactive experiences"
>any of those
Not every game that's not a shooter or a platformer is Heavy Rain.
greatest artistry in sports
>>63595403
I guess Stalker and Solaris are pretty shite aye
>>63595294
This is funny as all hell, but I'm actually curious to what that comic inbetween Calvin an Hobbes, The Simpsons, TWD and Sinfest is.
Also, I greatly enjoy Don Quixote, The Count of Monte Cristi, ASOIAF, The Tree of Life, The Godfather, Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper, A night at the Opera, everything by Pink Floyd really, Calvin an Hobbes, Dexters lab, Cow and Chicken The Simpsons S2-14 and Rick and Morty.
>>63595294
>boyhood
>interstellar
>cloud atlas
Fucking kill yourself you supreme pleb faggot
4chan has shit taste in art
Find me a movie like this please.
>>63595625
>I'm actually curious to what that comic inbetween Calvin an Hobbes, The Simpsons, TWD and Sinfest is.
Bone.
Video games are an artform, but most people who defend it as such are doing it wrong and think video games are supposed to aspire to be movies or have some "deep" "message" in them. The latter is likely a product of modern art, where your work can literally be a pile of shit as long you have some good narrative behind it and you can get some art critics to circle-jerk over it.
Video games as an artform mean something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXvt-a6hXE
Not this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8x9hjGBY7c
Better than all of them
>>63595637
Tokyo Drifter.
>>63595600
I don't even know what you are trying to say.
Get the fuck out /v/iddie.
>>63595673
Thanks man
>>63595685
yep. the game mechanics are the artistically expressive part - the equivalent of the writing of the script - while the interface and visuals are like the cinematography/design/acting of a film, that brings it into being.
people don't get it so narrative games are the ones that get trumped up as artistic. the result is that there are very few you can point to as games simply aren't that great a way to tell a traditional story.
>>63595685
How very modernist of you Touhoufag. You should abandon it for a Cave to live in.
>>63595716
Those films bore many people, yet are widely considered masterpieces of films
A game like Europa Universalis or Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri might be too tedious for most people but are still held as some of the best examples of their genres
>>63595685
Don't really like Touhou but I agree with the sentiment
Cave Story is a beautiful work
>>63595495
>dat undertale pic
kek
>>63595757
No they don't bore people. Are you fucking serious? Do you understand how words work?
Someone cannot be bored with a work and then name it a master piece, that's not how it fucking works.
They probably used terms like 'slow' or 'brooding', hell even fucking tedious is the wrong word. Not boring, boring implies a heavy lack of interest. How can you be interested in something when you just stated you weren't interested in it?
Back to school, /v/iddie.
>>63595779
What's neat about both Touhou and Cave Story is that they are/were done by just one man, music and all. Yume Nikki is another one like that.
>>63595843
>Someone cannot be bored with a work and then name it a master piece, that's not how it fucking works.
I'm saying many people would be/are bored by them, yet critics and plenty of people who like cinema as an artform give them endless amount of praise for their amazing atmosphere.
How the fuck did you think I meant the same people
>>63595961
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
No wonder everyone hates /v/.
>>63595294
>That careful balance of patrician and plebian
10/10
>>63595685
you don't know what modern art is but you're pretty accurate with your assessment of video games
>>63595685
where do I start with 2hu?
>>63596066
Then what is modern art?
>>63596110
I don't really know. The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil is the first game in the series after the PC-98 games (that aren't really relevant anymore).
>>63596000
That a game being boring for one person isn't necessarily bad, cause you really made it sound like that was your point
>>63596110
With music. It's the only good thing about Touhou.
>>63596177
you could easily just read the wikipedia article on modern art rather than try to waste my time explaining it to you after pretending to know what it is in the first place.
>>63595688
>SOMA
>good
Nice joke. The concepts explored in SOMA were done hundreds of times better in the countless films, books, and games using similar premises.
It's so derivative that I'd hesitate to call even a single element good. The puzzles are so over-simplified, the monsters so meaningless, that the game becomes a total chore. Combine that with one of the dumbest main characters in gaming history, and you're left with a title that's actively insulting to anyone with a brain. Watching Simon completely fail to grasp a basic concept after already experiencing it twice is ludicrous.
What's sad is that they actually had the makings of an interesting story buried deep in there. The WAU, written properly, could have been a great piece on if an alien entity could understand what it is to be human, by attempting to recreate them. Instead, it's dumbed down to a "push X to kill" cutscene fight.
Simon could have become the missing link between WAU and humanity, and helped the WAU understand why its experiments were failures.
>>63596396
So it's exactly what I said it was.
>>63596435
it isn't though
>>63596191
Jesus fuck, you have no idea what you are saying.
Put down the games and pick up a book. Nouns don't work the way you think they do, especially in a highly subjective medium.
>>63595294
> TLOU
im ok with this list
>>63596459
I've dealt with you modern art fags many times before and you'll twist your brains into non-euclidean shapes to argue why modern art isn't exactly what it appears to be.
>Japan literally perfected the narrative game genre well over a decade ago
>every single western dev is still trying to stick god-awful B movie plots onto boring cookie cutter walking sims
Fuck gaming these days.
VNs are the peak of story-telling in gaming. Go play something as basic as fucking Planetarian, it's a few hours of clicking that shits all over any "real" game out there.
It depresses me to see people eat up garbage B movie stories.
>>63596523
i'm not a 'modern art fag' i just happen to know what it is
>>63596536
>It depresses me to see people eat up garbage B movie stories.
>playing video games for 'the story'
People like you are the reason why the video game genre is dead. It's an interactive medium meant for gameplay, for competition, for self improvement.
Not some wank bank for NEETS.
Kill yourself.
>>63596467
>I don't understand what he said
>Better get mad as fuck and never admit a mistake
>>63596536
>visual novels
Pretty much the worst thing that happened to entertainment/art.
Literally overly long, terribly written books with pictures about picking up a girl.
>>63596570
I think what he meant is that instead of hijacking normal games and trying to turn them into interactive movies or walking sims, developers should just drop the bullshit and make VNs instead, if all they want to do is tell stories.
>>63596570
>>63596678
Also, VNs aren't "wank banks for NEETs" or about picking up girls. Not all of them even contain any erotic content. Like planetarian, which >>63596536
mentioned. Or Steins;Gate.
>>63595294
>Anime
>Art
Pick one
>>63595213
Silent Hill 2 uplifted me from being a pleb to being patrician.
>>63596717
Both, obviously.
>>63596717
The best are so much better than almost any tv show
>>63596717
I love how mentioning literally anything related to anime triggers some autists so hard. That's probably why people use anime reaction pics so much.
>MUH VIDEO GAMES
>HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Maybe if you fucking faggots put down your Cawa Doodie for half an hour and actually bothered to engage yourself with some real art you'd see how far behind the medium is in terms of artistic achievement and even artistic potential. But no, you shitheads have to come in rubbing Cheeto crumbs into everything screaming about how your epic noscopes totally pwned and your sad existence had finally seen some sort of happiness outside your shitty banal experiences in the everyday. No one cares that you could escape bullying for five hours while you sat on your ass eating yourself to death. Get outside, see some real art.
>>63595294
this is bait, people dont even look at the comics
>video games
>art
no
go back to /v/
>>63595213
All the best games were made back when videogames were considered just toys. Now they're considered art you just get shit like Gone Home.
>>63596712
Steins;Gate is still about choosing a girl.
>>63596789
>getting this triggered by a troll OP
LMAO
>>63596789
>how far behind the medium is in terms of artistic achievement and even artistic potential
Video games aren't movies.
>>63596811
Yes, they are an artform too.
>>63596823
It only has one real ending, all the others are optional dead-ends that effectively function as failure states.
>>63596852
>dead-ends
If you choose the wrong girl. It's still a harem.
>>63595294
whats wrong with night-watch, i myself like it a lot.
>>63596536
>>Japan literally perfected the narrative game genre well over a decade ago
I paid 130 Australian Dollary doos on your shitty Final Fantasy 13 jap shit and it was absolutely fucking horrible, it might as well have been a visual novel literally all you did was walk down hallways, tap one button in fights AND YOU HAD TO READ A WHOKLE BUNC OF EXPOSITION THAT WAS A FUCKING SNOOZE FEST
GAMES ARE FOR DFUN, NOT FOR STORY
>>63596867
It's not about choosing a girl.
>>63596892
FF13 is not a visual novel.
>>63595294
wait does /ic/ hate Michelangelo or something?
>>63596907
It sure plays like one
>>63596965
He was talking about visual novels, and FF13 isn't relevant just because it was made in the same country.
>>63597074
It is relevant cause i'm never buying any japshit video games again after I got fleeced out of hundred dollars on the worst game i've ever played
>>63597179
>>63596892
you're fault for not looking up the game before buying it dumbass. A simple search would of told you about the generally negative consensus of ff13
>>63597179
How exactly is that supposed to be relevant? Again, he was talking about VNs. You did not buy a VN. You also didn't buy a fighting game, shmup, survival horror game, platformer or racing game, all of which are also made in Japan.
>>63595213
>none of these will EVER get proper tv/movie adaptations
>>63595294
>gone home
didn't even look past that
FUCK YOU
>>63595294
![last-week-tonight-01_612x381[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4EsfDEb.jpg "last-week-tonight-01_612x381[1].jpg")
>>63595294
>the year (500*4)+(2^4)-1 anno domini
>people still fall for this bait.
>>63597310
that's a good thing. Fuck adaptations
>>63595213
lmao SH2 is the most reddit of the series. It only has one good game and the real talent behind the series left and made Siren.
>>63595213
Shadow of the Colossus is an incredible piece of shit.
>can't die
>the best example of a casual cinematic game people seem to hate but no one cares in this case
>basically no gameplay
>just an empty open world without fucking ANYTHING to do
>disgusting horse controls that want you to do button combos for the most simple things that could be easily possible with just tilt controls (see Zelda TP)
>colossi barely even attack you
>whole gameplay is jump onto them, hold R button, then crawl to the shining, blue point and attack for 10 seconds, it's dead
>there are always voices telling you what to do and how to kill a colossus if you can't solve the "puzzle" behind getting onto them
>this disgusting cinematic camera that only lets you see one side of the character
>literally (LITERALLY) 15 FPS on PS2 back then
>absolute piece of shit graphics with flowers being just a 2D surface floating in the air
Everyone who likes this game is never allowed to criticise any other video game because every single flaw they could complain about is in this game right here.
Getting into video games is actually harder than getting into films.
I can watch and enjoy early films, but early games, while important, are too boring or too hard.
You posted Silent Hill 2.
But anon we've already had Silent Hill Revelation 3D, the best horror movie ever.
>>63597510
are you joking, a retard or never played the game?
you can pick all three of you want
>>63597531git gud
Having played these early games since my childhood, I don't find them hard or something.
In fact, I find modern games too boring because you never do shit, you watch ugly poorly animated cutscenes of people talking for hours, and the actual gameplay sequences are a joke.
>>63596717
Hello reddit
>>63597569
What makes you think I never played it about those mere facts I listed?
I could go on and on anyway. For example how you have to literally wait minutes for your health to refill if you actually get hit once because they were too retarded to add potions.
Fucking retarded Sony drone.
>>63597510
You could at least try.
>>63597569
Prove what's wrong about that actual greentext
t. beat time attack on hard mode
>>63597627
>no rebuttal
You should take your own advice tbqh.
>>63597627
>>63597569
You could at least try to come up with an argument against it.
Here, have the floating flower surfaces. Yes, those are supposed to be flowers. And the game runs at 15 FPS.
And basically has no gameplay.
SotC and SH2 are good.
Never played Planescape.
How good is it?
>>63597599
I mean really old games. The equivalent of Griffith and Eisenstein - like Atari 2600 games.
>>63597660
>meanwhile on GameCube
>a game with way, way more assets
>actual grass and flowers, wind pushing clouds, banners, clothes and foliage
>constant 30 FPS
>>63597531
Games like Pong, Pacman, Tetris and Space Invaders are super easy to play. They just aren't that interesting compared to later games.
The most difficult games to get into are 80s to early 90s computer games.
>>63597667
>SotC and SH2 are good.
No, not really. SotC is absolutely terrible. Only some degenerate casuals would imply it's good. There is literally not one good thing about this game, except for the title theme, maybe. The gameplay is shit, graphics are shit, performance is shit, story is shit, level design is shit, everything is shit.
>>63597667
Planescape is great. It's pretty basic as far as RPGs go, but the writing more than meets up for it.
>>63597681
>WAAAH CITIZEN KANE SUCKS BECAUSE IT'S BLACK AND WHITE
>BOOOH METROPOLIS IS A PIECE OF SHIT BECAUSE IT'S SILENT
Art is about how things make you feel, not the technical quality. But you wouldn't understand that you little autist.
>>63597755
I would have loved to see Planescape as a book or something, but not a game. I enjoy old games but the gameplay of this one is piss poor, at least the writing is good.
>>63597771
>Art is about how things make you feel, not the technical quality.
It's both.
>>63597771
*nods respectfully towards you*
Did you cry at the end of Gone Home too? Tbh I did
>>63597800
I bet you listen to prog metal
>>63597771
>Art
Irrelevant comparison, video games aren't art.
>>63597771
>I-its art, everything in this game is shit but there are BIG enemies
>BIG
Then this game is actual art
>>63597823
How aren't they?
The three games in the OP pic have plenty of artistic merit.
>>63597822
I don't. I understand anything about musical technique at all.
>>63597823
They are.
>>63597856
It's not only about the size.
>>63596602
Not the guy you were arguing with, but I think you're the one who's confused.
>It's boring so it's not good
I get that you meant to say >You think it's boring so it's not good
but what you actually wrote was a contradiction
I get that you meant to say
>>63597878
>dat Zelda soundtrack
This alone makes it more art than every movie.
Even the shitty SS had this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DAJBU4Wtqg
>there are actually nintendrones on this board
s
>>63597867
>>63597883
>manchildren damage controlling
No it's not. Games are just stuff for manchildren that require you to press buttons, it's entertainment.
>>63597867
Yes, the music and the visuals are art, a game can never be art though.
>>63597910
>manchildren damage controlling
What damage control?
>No it's not. Games are just stuff for manchildren that require you to press buttons, it's entertainment.
Ok, then movies are just stuff for manchildren that require them to sit down and stare at a screen like zombies.
>>63597893
>Not the guy you were arguing with
Neither am I.
>>63597910
>I haven't played the games in the OP pic so I'll just dismiss your argument
Nice
>>63597904
What did you expect? /v/ is full of nintenyearsold, and it's well-known that they pollute this board too.
>>63597923
Video games aren't just games. They don't exist without visuals.
>>63597942
>he criticized my manchildren's games
>b-b-better say he didn't play them, th-that will show him
I did. Not just that but several other games that other manchildren claim it's art. It's not.
>>63597923
That's like saying a movie can never be art but the music and visuals in it can be.
>>63597510
the game has like only two cutscenes, one in the beginning the other at the end, the rest i pure gameplay and soundtrack, no dialogue but it doesn't need one since you can figure everything out by simply playing it,
the gameplay and the ost are superb though
>>63597700
how can anyone have such hit taste is beyond me, even shitting on sh, makes me wonder what games do you consider near if not perfect
>>63598014
A game implies interaction, the fact that you press keys on your keyboard, move your mouse, press button on a controller, shake a stupid wiimote, etc.
This is what dismisses it as "art", it's a game. Nothing more It doesn't mean it's shit, but it's not art. You wouldn't say that chess is art, because it's just a game, but the pieces and board have aesthetics (visuals) too.
If the video game makers want something to be art, then they should produce a movie. They don't have any excuses since AAA games have a massive budget anyway, and now you can CGI everything.
>>63597993
So why weren't they art?
>>63598107
>you wouldn't say that chess is art
>what is interactive art
It's a very flawed comparison because chess is nothing like video games. Many video games are literally interactive movies.
>Planescape
>not Baldur's Gate
well this is just objectively wrong
>>63598107
>This is what dismisses it as "art", it's a game.
Makes as much sense as: "This is what dismisses it as "art," it's a movie."
>You wouldn't say that chess is art, because it's just a game, but the pieces and board have aesthetics (visuals) too.
A board game is not a video game.
>If the video game makers want something to be art, then they should produce a movie
If painters want something to be art, then they should produce a movie.
>>63597510
>can't die
But you can, especially early on in the game with when you health and stamina aren't improved that much.
>the best example of a casual cinematic game people seem to hate but no one cares in this case
Except it was made before the "muh cinematic" trend.
>basically no gameplay
It it literally nothing but gameplay, being 16 boss fights back to back practically.
>just an empty open world without fucking ANYTHING to do
The "empty" world is the game's entire aesthetic. Time trial, reminiscence mode, hunting fruit/lizards, unlockables, all meaningful things in game
>disgusting horse controls that want you to do button combos for the most simple things that could be easily possible with just tilt controls (see Zelda TP)
Pressing the X button and using the analog sticks isn't that tough.
>colossi barely even attack you
That's not even true. They are slow and lumbering most of the time but they attack you a lot.
>whole gameplay is jump onto them, hold R button, then crawl to the shining, blue point and attack for 10 seconds, it's dead
Every game can be simplified by saying you move around and hit the attack button when an enemy is close.
>there are always voices telling you what to do and how to kill a colossus if you can't solve the "puzzle" behind getting onto them
The voice only tells you what to do if you are taking a long time during a colossi fight.
>this disgusting cinematic camera that only lets you see one side of the character
This is a flat out lie, it's literally fully controllable.
>literally (LITERALLY) 15 FPS on PS2 back then
This is honestly your only legitimate criticism and it's a minor annoyance at most seeing as it doesn't effect gameplay.
>absolute piece of shit graphics with flowers being just a 2D surface floating in the air
It's an open world game on the PS2, it's not going to be Crysis. The graphics are more than adequate and are actually impressive when it comes to the colossi. The art style is good to.
I don't get why some people insist that games are art. There's nothing wrong with them being a form of entertainment.
It's like they're trying to make themself feel better or justify their gaming when there's no need for them to do so.
>>63598269
Art and entertainment are not mutually exclusive.
And it's not about justifying anything, it's just recognizing the simple fact that games are art. Whether anyone likes it or not.
>>63598170
In order:
>Because movies are art.
>Video games are games, like chess.
>Painting is art, they don't need too.
God damn you're really stupid, maybe when you'll turn 18 you will realize that video games are not art, for now you're hopeless.
>>63598328
Video games are art whether you like it or not. I don't know why you find the idea so threatening.
>>63595213
Is this /v/'s equivalent of /lit/'s 'meme trilogy'?
>>63598215
Of course you can die. You just have to be mentally disabled for it to happen and be a threat.
>was cinematic before the trend
Who cares if you think it was made before the trend? Maybe retards just don't realize it but it actually set the trend.
>literally nothing but gameplay, 16 bosses
Yes, 16 boss fights with the same terrible gameplay. Jump on the colossus' hair, hold shoulder button, press tilt contorls until you're on the shining, blue spot, press attack button. For 30 hours. And between those bosses? Nothing but an empty world and a horse with terrible controls.
>time trial, hunting fruit/lizards
Never did this, didn't even know you can do this. Are those just some shitty achivements we're talking about? Are you actually braindead enough to care about achievments? Why should I hunt those shitty two types of animals in this ugly world? What's the point? I clearly didn't need it. The world is ridiculously empty and ugly.
>That's not even true
If you compare them to a sleeping turtle, maybe.
>Every game can be summed up like this
No. I explained the actual process, what you do with your fingers and everything. Have fun summing up an entire strategy game or even a Zelda game with its 200 different puzzles and items.
>long time
Maybe three minutes. And maybe you don't even want to hurry and just check out the place and look at the colossus for a bit. Bam, shit game spoiling you the "puzzle".
>This is a flat out lie
The camera always automatically adjusts when riding or even just standing around; IIRC. It's some rule of the third bullshit and always pushes the character into either the left or right corner of the screen which is completely fucking retarded. Many games do this, not this intrusively, though.
>only legitimate criticism
Together with all the otehr points. Funny how you just ignored my personal biggest complaint, the lack of potions and fucking disgusting auto-regenerating health which leads to nothing but waste of time, though.
>>63598347
>Video games are art whether you like it or not.
Since when? I need a reliable source m8, movies have been recognized as art a long time ago by several authorities, but not video games. Maybe they will someday, and then I will agree with you. But not now. Just saying that video games are art don't make them so.
>I don't know why you find the idea so threatening.
Why do you find the idea that vidya isn't art so threatening?
Also, I don't hate video games, for the record, but I consider them a form of entertainment, nothing more. I have yet to find someone relevant who consider them art.
The problem is that those really "artistic" game devs think that a good story will make a game instant art and cult classic when it's actually about what you do with the gameplay and interactivity, there is no interactivity in music or movies, why not do something interesting with that?
>Art: The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power:
Games obviously fall into this definition. Call it bad art if you want, it's still art.
>>63598379
You'll never be able to convince "muh atmosphere" fuckwits that their game of choice is objectively a piece of garbage. The really sad part of SotC is that it doesn't even have an interesting story, or great music, to back it up. Instead it's just a dull "atmospheric" plod through some vaguely interesting boss designs with all of the actual game parts, like dungeons and puzzles, cut out.
It's definitely better than the current crop of cookie cutter garbage, but for the time it was a fucking insult.
>>63598421
So your argument is based on nothing more than a naked appeal to authority. In other words, you have no argument.
>>63597681
>Zelda fan
Enjoy your lifeless rehashes and their gimmicks.
>>63598441
Everything can be art then.
This 4chan post is art. /tv/, with all its BLACKED and Star Wars, thread is art. Same with all the other boards.
Bad art, but still art.
Fine by me.
>>63598472
Yeah, people just like to glorify art to feel superior.
>>63598441
Is porn art?
>>63598472
Paintings as a whole are art, as in an artform. But only certain paintings are called art.
>>63598465
You have no argument to show that video games are art.
You know, I don't make definitions, I can't change them at my will, so I have to accept what authorities say about what is art, and what isn't. That's the only way to go, and it's still better than baseless assumptions like yours, claiming that art is art while you still showed no argument for it.
I don't like all kind of art. Music is considered "art", and I hate a good chunk of it. But I accept it's art. And I accept that video games aren't art.
>>63598521
Your so-called argument is an appeal to authority. You just blindly parrot the directives that the "authorities" hand over from above and cannot think for yourself.
>>63598521
I hope you realize that not all authorities agree with you and many actually consider games an art form.
>>63598542
You still have no argument to show that video games are art.
You cannot think for yourself, but that is to be expected for a manchild.
>>63598564
Someone already explained it: >>63598441
>>63598451
The puzzles and gameplay were always the main draw. The atmosphere is why it's known as a more artsy game. Shadow of the Colossus' story succeeds because of how minimalist it is, which plays to the strength of the medium and Kow Ohtani is an amazing composer.
>>63598596
You're just parroting opinions from others.
Also you're just using a definition, another form of parroting.
Learn to think for yourself without parroting others.
>>63597510
>can't die
you can
>the best example of a casual cinematic game people seem to hate but no one cares in this case
theres like 3 cutscenes the whole game if you don't include the 5 second boss intros
>basically no gameplay
it's pretty much all gameplay. are you pressing button, congratulations you're playing the game.
>just an empty open world without fucking ANYTHING to do
did you you expect the forbidden wastelands to be sprawling with life?
>colossi barely even attack you
they do
>whole gameplay is jump onto them, hold R button, then crawl to the shining, blue point and attack for 10 seconds, it's dead
every single boss has a unique way of killing it
>there are always voices telling you what to do and how to kill a colossus if you can't solve the "puzzle" behind getting onto them
giving hints is bad thing? it never explictly says "fucker press this and do that to beat him"
>this disgusting cinematic camera that only lets you see one side of the character
you can control the camera, did you play the game?
>absolute piece of shit graphics with flowers being just a 2D surface floating in the air
its the ps2 and an old game.
considering most of your complaints are made up and in a few posts you go on and say zelda's a master piece its safe to say you've never played sotc.
>>63598554
People over the age of 20 don't play video games other than candy crush on their iPhone (and I hope we can agree that Candy Crush isn't art).
Stop memeing, the only reason they give a fuck is because it makes the economy run.
>>63598691
Why the fuck would I repeat what he already said? Do you think the world revolves around me or something? Do you have a legit mental condition?
Also, the definition of art is something of a red herring. What people usually mean when they ask if games are art is: are they establishment approved?
The art of movies is mostly social signalling, as few people care about the movies themselves. Games don't have establishment approval so you can't gain the desired kind of social value from associating yourself with them. Anime is the same.
If the design, craftsmanship and artistry that goes into video games doesn't amount to art then there's no way you can argue movies or paintings are art either.
>>63598722
>People over the age of 20 don't play video games other than candy crush on their iPhone
A complete myth.
>>63598379
>Of course you can die. You just have to be mentally disabled for it to happen and be a threat.
Yet you have difficulty with completely controllable camera and horse controls that are still widely praised as the best in any video game?
>Who cares if you think it was made before the trend? Maybe retards just don't realize it but it actually set the trend.
What is Metal Gear? Also, Shadow of the Colossus was never pushed cinematic as much as it was atmospheric and artistic.
>Yes, 16 boss fights with the same terrible gameplay. Jump on the colossus' hair, hold shoulder button, press tilt contorls until you're on the shining, blue spot, press attack button. For 30 hours. And between those bosses? Nothing but an empty world and a horse with terrible controls.
I can stop you from enjoying repetitive slogs through the same old Zelda formula and circling enemies waiting to hit the attack button.
>Are those just some shitty achivements we're talking about?
All the extras provided meaningful unlockables. Lizards and fruits gave you extra health and stamina. Lack of NPCs =/= empty
>If you compare them to a sleeping turtle, maybe.
I don't know how you expect giant stone monsters to attack. Most of their attacks were part of the puzzle.
>Have fun summing up an entire strategy game or even a Zelda game with its 200 different puzzles and items.
You mean like getting an item in a dungeon that helps you progress and then rinse and repeat?
> shit game spoiling you the "puzzle".
Did you even play the game? At most the dormin give you obscure hints.
>The camera always automatically adjusts when riding
Unless your not using the right analog stick at all this doesn't happen which is never happens.
>Together with all the otehr points
Potions would be stupid mechanic wise, it isn't Zelda. I don't know what your problem with is with the slow health regen is. All of your problems seem to be that the game's not Zelda.
This could very well be posted anywhere (on any board) and to anyone here and still be pertinent and frankly more prescient than 90% of the content here. When did you realize that 4chan is utterly useless (and by extension the Internet)? I did when I realized I have to wade through about a hundred posts to get to anything informative...that one golden nugget post. Spare me if you will the filters and extensions. Everyone has something smart to say, it's just that they're not doing it. Spare me also if you will of going to Reddit because it's a filthy fucking hug box and I'm not paying for SA and fuck Tumblr. I know that people will chime in with the most banal shit. 'I got weed through 4chan.' 'I got laid because of 4chan.' 'I do business (scams and cons) on 4chan.' I hate to say it but commenting has finally reached YouTube-tier--this is not a good thing. I won't confess nostalgia either. Maybe it's always been shit and real life is really that much better. I say that having once been a longtime member of the now defunct totse. I could go on, but what's the point. Anyway, I have executed my programming. If you would like the Nus in Chrono Trigger, please respond with [X] to shut down my CPU. Thank you.
>>63599108
[X] Oy vey shut it down.
>>63599141
>This creature sleeps beyond the flow of time.
>>63595443
i bet this fucking guy jacks off to bbc
>>63599108
gb 2 8gag
