How does a warship the size of Manhattan get soloed and keked by a single seat fighter no bigger than a modern day fighter jet? Is this a bad design or justmore shitty writing by G Luc
>>63515618
The a wing hit it right in the bridge after the shields got blown out. It was traveling at full speed too.
Also, A-Wings notoriously had extremely explosive fueltanks
>>63515618
because it was a movie
>Bridge exposed by vulnerable neck
>Shield generators are highly visible, big balls on top of bridge
Imperials were arrogant fucks, they thought a ship was invincible because it had a fuckload of turbolasers and fighter squadrons, but the Tie Pilots were all shit in the films.
>>63515670
It was already damaged, one of the orbs on top of the bridge structure was blown out
>>63515770
>giant long smooth ship with 2 big balls near the back to strengthen it
>giant toothy hole monster In desert
Jesus
>>63515770
>top tier troops wear visible white plastic armor and can't shoot for shit
>top tier pilots can't shoot for shit
It's no wonder the empire was c.ucked by teddy bears
>>63515816
it's funny when you can get away with it
>>63515618
Well, there are some serious design flaws among their mega ships.
>>63515618
It's actually twice as big as Manhattan. Old EU did a boo-boo and thought that it was five miles long, whereas the actual model used was 11 times the scale length of a regular one-mile Star Destroyer, making it 11 miles (17,7 km) long. The latter has been the canonical length of a Super Star Destroyer for most of the 2000's, after Lucasfilm retconned the older material.
>>63515618
They didn't intensify the forward batteries.
>>63515993
You mean they didn't INTENSIFY FOWARD FIYA POWA
>>63515951
hahahaha
>>63515670
>Bridge is destroyed
>Entire ship goes down.
That's as stupid as an aircraft carrier sinking because the bridge is destroyed
>>63516015TOO LATE
>>63516059
It's more like as stupid as an aircraft carrier losing all control because the bridge is destroyed
>>63515993
>>63516015
The same way a battlestation the size of a moon gets destroyed by one nuclear bomb. THink about it: Would detonating a nuke on our moon do anything to it? Nope, not in the least.
>>63515618
George Lucas and Star Wars is shit?
The only good thing about those movies were the vehicles and the weapons. The rest of the franchise is full retard.
>>63516144
If you detonated it in the main power generator of the moon it'd probably take out earth too.
>>63516175
It would take out the generator, if the generator is damaged it's not generating any power any more, you know, power which it would need to explode.
>>63516205
Just like blowing up a normal real world generator wouldn't take out the gasoline tank that's attached to it.
....
>>63515618
Easy.
The ENTIRE rebel fleet mercilessly pounded the shit out of it until its shields buckled.
A few snubfighters took out the bridge deflector shields, and took out the command center by ramming the fucking thing.
The ship was going down, it was just a coup de gracie.
>>63516205
This. Just because you damage a nuclear power plant does not turn it into a nuclear bomb. At worst, it spreads radiation and fallout like Fukushima and Chernobyl.
>>63515971
Manhattan is 13 miles long you fucking retard
I've been saying that the superweapon of episode 6 shouldnt have been another death star, but the super star destroyer. It just has a big powerful beam on it, and the final battle takes place inside it.
>>63516247
>>63516257
The proton torpedo didn't blow up the main reactor. It set off a chain reaction that led to the main reactor exploding - the fact it went into a 'thermal exhaust port' might explain why.
>>63516334
>>63516257
that's a Fission Reactor.
No, they don't explode if something goes wrong. A meltdown is just a big fucking radioactive mess.
But your fantasy whatever-the-fuck reactor core that powers a laser powerful enough to totally destroy a planet, outright...I feel can probably catastrophically explode when you shoot it with a missile.
>>63516367
But I learned that from the cross-section books, which are the best star wars media apart from the original trilogy.
>>63516334
A generator generates energy, a chain reaction needs to be maintained to generate energy, if you stop the chain reaction (fision or fusion doesnt matter) the energy generation stops, no boom.
>>63515618
The pilot was on the bridge, as he died he fell forward onto the controls thus commanding the ship to nosedive. The people in the secondary bridge at the center of the ship in a highly shielded location were in fact rebal spies and kept the ship from recovering. The rest of the crew either didn't know what was happening or was helpless to reroute things in time.
>>63516154
The aliens were great, you shit, also the droids.
>>63516112
aircraft carriers have secondary means of control m8
also they dont literally sink if the bridge is destroyed
>>63516445
the guy explains it like that in the briefing too
>>63516256
>coup de gracie.
At least you tried.
>>63516560
Ah you misunderstand, it was a chain reaction of events that led to the Death Star exploding, not a chain reaction that powered the generator. The proton torpedo went into a thermal exhaust port, which blew up some kind of heat exchanger, which meant something overheated which etc etc until the whole thing blows up. That's the chain reaction the rebel leader is talking about. The generator was apparently a hypermatter reactor by the way, whatever that is.
>>63516745
on a phone. excuse my poor command of french.
>>63516763
>hypermatter reactor
Exotic particles need to be constantly created to have a stable pool of them, if you damage the reactor you take away the energy the exotic particle producing thing needs.
So nope.
Mybe the proton torpedo was in truth a 500 ton anti-matter bomb.
>sink a quadrillion billion space bux into a space station
>leave a small hole that if shot makes the whole thing explode
"Nah, it's cool. Don't worry about it. Won't happen."
>sink quadrillion assillion more space bux into doing it again
>this time just leave the entire reactor exposed because fuck it
"Ah, we'll just patch that up later. Check out this sweet penthouse tho, Sheev."
>sink even more quadrillion trillion megatitsuckillion space bux into elite star fleet
>the ship goes down if someone 9/11s the bridge
"Meh."
>>63516069
AAHHHHHH
>>63516059
the star destroyer was so massive that it had its own gravitational field. thats why it fell into it.
>>63516862
You forgot
>Make absolutely no preparations for protecting the small hole even after KNOWING the rebels stole the schematics
>>63517040
>Not protecting
Surely you're not one of those people who think you can plug an exhaust port.
Am I actually witnessing /tv/ shitposting a movie that came out more than thirty-five years ago? About something that's been argued maybe a billion times in dozens of languages? Is this real fucking life?
Jesus Christ, people. It's boring.
>>6351561like on 9/11
>>63517078
No, but you could certainly assign a lot more fighter to patrol and defend that area than Darth Vader plus a couple of guys
>>63517078
>space station the size of a small moon with a population of almost 2 million and a laser capable of destroying entire planets
>single exhaust for all that about 1 meter wide
>fantasy movie
>OP complaining about realism
>>63517078
They had laser fields in Episode 1.
Why not cover it with a laser field.
Speaking of laser fields...what the shit was that scene about?
Fuck Lucas can't into science.
>>63517331
>Speaking of laser fields...what the shit was that scene about?
They didn't want randos mucking about the power plant fighting with swords.
>>63516059
>equating travelling through a vacuum, fighting the gravitational pull of enormous planets to floating on water
>>63517321
>not nit-picking the ever loving fuck out of these movies for shits and gigs
>>63517331
Lucas literally couldn't think of a normal way to separate wan and gin so gin could die to maul
All things considered, what the fuck is the point of a star destroyer? I mean, judging from the movies, they had like, 3 turrets on either side and a small bay where only a dozen or so TIE fighters were docked. And those ships required a huge crew to operate.
>>63517222
>sith kill a few jedi
>WHOA THAT'S BAD
>rebels kill 2 million people twice
>YAY! GOOD GUYS WIN AGAIN!
>>63517331
The rebel general states they need to use proton torpedoes because the port is ray-shielded, which I'm guessing is a lot better protection than some kind of power generator laser field thing.
>>63517142
>>63517222
They didn't even know there was a weakness there. The rebels had to carefully pore over the death star plans to find even that single weak point, and then during the trench run the Imperials even work out what they're going for, but Tarkin won't evacuate because he thinks they've already won.
Also it's never said exactly what the thermal exhaust port is venting thermal exhaust from. All we know is that when whatever it is stops having its thermal exhaust vented, bad things happen.
>>63517450
Sith blew up a planet with way more than 4 million people on it.
>>63517569
It was just a prank bro
>>63517569
That was Literally Al Qaeda: The Planet
>>63517142
But Darth Vader choked a guy from across the room. My money was on him tbqh. If not for Ham Salad, Vader would've succeeded.
>super starship, faster than light travel, lightsaber, turbolaser
>turret still requires a droid manning it
lucas is a fucking hack
>>63517569
>people horrified by Alderaan
>same people want to blow up ISIS
Fucking sheeple, man.
"Luke, did I tell you about the time your father killed 30 children just for following a different religion? He was a good friend."
>>63517569
>muh 2 billion
Alderan was a hoax fabricated to get people on the rebel's side. The death star wasn't even armed and fully operational, it was just a forced labor ship - not the most powerful weapon in the galaxy.
Look at the evidence.
>>63517711
This, Turbolasers can't melt planetary crust
>>63517705
He was a political idealist
>>63516837
Do you know for sure that's how a hypermatter reactor works? Because it's not explained in the film. Either way, they don't blow up the reactor, they blow up some kind of heat exchanger and from there some chain of events leads to the reactor generating too much power and exploding. I mean, take away the control rods in a nuclear reactor and see how that goes. Is it that hard to believe some similar process is happening here?
>>63517550
But if they just needed to close the exhaust port off, why did they need a direct hit? Couldn't they just keep hitting the surface of the port until it collapsed on itself?
>>63517752
not a murderer
>>63517769
Presumably they had to blow up whatever was inside the exhaust port. Maybe the thing wouldn't have exploded fast enough if they just hit the surface? I guess we'll never know, because all we have is speculation.
>>63517769
Luke's the only one who made it, they were pretty outgunned
You're no match for him! He's a shit lord!
>>63517949
>Sith Lords are our specialty
>Gets rekt in 5 seconds and is unconscious for the rest of the fight
What a good friend Obi-Wan was
>>63517985
It really wrangled my jeromies that this thing collapses on his legs and doesn't crush him.
>>63518157
He made his constitution save
>>63518184
roll to prevent internal bleeding
>nat 20 + 15 mod.
roll will for staying awake
>fumble
>>63518157
>thing collapses on his legs
>his CGI doll gets awkwardly squished along the ground
Looks almost as bad as when Han walks over Jabba's tail in special edition New Hope.
>>63515618
Same way a single torpedo can wreck a battlecruiser.
>>63516837
>Exotic particles need to be constantly created to have a stable pool of them
Eh? Why? Antimatter can be stored in EM fields.
>>63517040
But the rebels STILL would have failed if not for the involvement of a future Jedi - supposed to have been wiped out - and a force ghost - only one of which there'd been before, that we know of, and which Vader and Sheev didn't know of.
>>63515618
The usual explanation is that the Executor was maneuvering into a new position when the A-wing struck the bridge. This lead to a loss of control and collision with the Death Star before secondary control centers could take over.
>>63515951
that's a fan design you tard. the largest by mass was the Eclipse class.
>>63515618
It wouldn't have crashed if Vader hadn't killed Admiral Ozzel
Admiral Piett didn't know what he was doing, he literally got the job days prior to the battle of endor
Vader's fault
It was the will of the Force.
>>63515749
Movies follow logic too artard.
>>63517985
I mean, in the context of the prequel trilogy alone Sith Lords sort of are their speciality. Nobody had fought a Sith for 1000 or something stupid like that until Obiwan and Quigon fought Maul, who Obiwan killed and Quigon died from. Then in Clones Obiwan and Anakin survived an encounter with Dooku, who Yoda also fought and didn't outright defeat. And that's it as far as people fighting Sith up to that point.
They're more specialists in it than any of the other jedi running around who wouldn't have any live lightsaber/force combat experience
>>63517321
>le ebin "people who like Star Wars can't get laid" meme
Also is that billboard real? I really hope a brothel has a billboard like that in Nevada.
>>63520745
>the number redirects to an assisted suicide helpline
>>63516802
>the phrase " coup de grace" requires a command of French
Only masters of French can spell baguette and Paris.
>>63516862
>having a glaring weakness isn't realistic
try working in DoD acquisitions. if the movie were realistic one dude would be in a giant meeting and say "i think the exhaust port might be a problem.." and people would tell him to stfu and focus on schedule and cost saving.
>>63520579
Yeah but in the cartoons everyone fights them so that argument goes out the window
>>63521745
all that matters to 99.9% of the people watching the films is the films
>>63517040
The Imps didn't know what the Rebels were even trying to do until after Gold Leader and his Y-Wings made a run down the trench. That one Imp captain mentioned there was a danger and maybe Tarkin should evacuate.
Even then, it still took and Obi-Wan Ex Machina for Luke to sink the killing blow.
>>63517442
Imagine being a chef in the mess hall.
>>63522018
you'd have to probably create gallons of food per second.
>>63520467
Movies follow the logic of idealism where the good guys win and the bad guys lose no matter what. None of the combat in SW, space or otherwise, follows any logic other than "look cool and good guys win". Any logic deeper than that and you're looking in the wrong place.
>>63522018
There would be at least a dozen mess halls in just the command tower. Not including the officers' lounges or executive suites for the command staff.
>>63517442
i never fully comprehended how stupid this was, and now that I do, I can't stop laughing.
>5 mile long mess hall
bahahahaha
>>63517759
>take away the control rods in a nuclear reactor and see how that goes.
It melts down, it doesn't blow up you stupid faggot
didn't all the empire ship interiors look super comfy?
nice dark lighting and rich bold colors
the emperors chair looked super comfy
>>63523802
You call that a radar screen?
>>63516837
The Death Star stores the energy produced by the hypermatter reactor in massive internal solid state hypercapacitors that when damaged by the proton torpedo caused an electrical discharge of such intensity as to spontaneously ionize the surrounding matter and generate nuclear fusion. Keep in mind that the Death Star has to hold enough energy in its power banks to explode a planet at a significant fraction of the speed of light, and it was on its way to do just that to Yavin.
Also the second Death Star was actually IG-88, that random robot assassin in Empire.
>>63517442
I had that book when I was a kid... I'm praying for a reprint or a link to it...
>>63523883
>>63524422
>>63524678
You're a good friend for posting these.
>>63524764
US Navy here:
On American war ships there are redundancies out the ass. If the bridge get's taken out control goes to CIC. If CIC get's taken out the ship can still be controlled from aft steering.
If the Executor was even halfway competently designed it would take an act of god to bring her down.
>>63524866
When was this published? The room where the guards are chilling looks like Palpatines senate office.
>>63515618
The A-Wing had the high ground.
>>63524980
A while back.
>>63524678
>moonlet
>>63517677
>fucking broadsides at like 200 meters...in space
>There is absolutely no tactical order in that entire scene.
>how did that massive cluster fuck even happen. Alright guys wait until you can't see a single friendly ship before shooting.
>>63517442
honestly what is the point of something that fucking big?
What the fuck would all those rooms be used for? Think about it.
How many fucking people have to run this thing?
>>63517450
Those 2 million were a part of a machine that had the the purpose of killing planets of people do not very innocent
>>63525461
1/3rd of a million
>>63525490
>empire comes to outer rim with promises of food and shelter with paying work for poor human moisture farmers.
>go to the academy and work ass off to become specialized technology operator
>gain friends and comrades throughout the process
>enjoying assorted chow in the galley with mates before
>BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
>everyones dead
truly scum of the earth.
>>63524678
Nope, I'm 24 years old now and I should find this silly but I'll never not get a boner reading this shit.
>>63525938
Gen Z folks
:^)
>>63524907
Ok kapitan von butte. Imagine your fancy schmancy redundo warship is 10000 x larger in size, is in the middle of monouvering under fire while sliding down a waterfall (Death Star's gravity field). Yeah, not much you can do eh?
Why does the ship need to be so big?
>>63528200
Palpatine needs to show everyone how big and dark his penis is
>>63528200
Larger the ship the more weapons it can have. Plus carrier more fighters, bombers, troops, and other shit.
>>63528200
The only advantage of it being that big is intimidation. It'd be way more practical to just make a ton of regular star destroyers which can group up and split off into different fleets instead of being stuck in one area at a time. Not to mention it's significantly easier to sabotage one giant ship than to sabotage hundreds of seperate smaller ones.
It's a textbook case of putting all their eggs in one basket but you could argue that within the logic of Star Wars this basket of eggs is SO scary and intimidating that any force that would be tempted to resist a regular imperial fleet would shit themselves and surrender at the sight of the Executor or Death Star.
>>63516059
>>63516659
>Sinking
>In Space
Okay, so here's the thing Anon.
You know how bullshit writers have no idea how orbits or Space in general works, and think that blowing out the engine on a spaceship in orbit somehow makes the ship accelerate retrograde and begin instantly falling down towards the surface?
I'm guessing you saw a lot of movies like that. And Star Wars kind of fits the bill, so I understand your confusion, thinking this is that.
However, what this actually is, is more the Super Star Destroyer getting its navigational systems blown out, and before the backup controls could be used to fix things, the ship drifts off into the wrong direction, thinking it got that message from the bridge, while really the bridge just exploded.
Unlucky for them, in that direction was the Death Star.
Does this cast light on the situation?
There is no sinking in space. Not even in Star Wars.Well probably somewhere in the EU, but considering that they literally have a shiny B-Wing-ish thing in there that can R.K.O. solar systems... Yeah no. Doesn't count.
>>63515951
fanstasitc
>>63515618
originally it was supposedly the gravitational pull of the death star that sucked it to its doom
this was from writers that dont know how space, gravity, and physics work
some other writer tried explaining it basically that the executor was having navigation issues for the battle after the rebels started attacking it, this was probably a nod to how kuat drive yards makes fundamentally defective products left and right.
anyways, after
>concentrate all your firepower on that super star destroyer
the navigation was going haywire, and the command tower was fighting to keep the ship in check. then when the a-wing rammed it the bridge basically the ship flew out of control and careened into the death star before the backup bridge could reroute all the commands
>>63528543
that'd be pretty neat
>>63528200
>Why does the ship need to be so big?
Before things get too nerdy lets all remember that Star Wars is bullshit space fantasy and has more in common with WH40k than it does with anything resembling science.
So the idea behind a Super Star Destroyer is that it is so large and so well armed that it's protected by the simple fact that you need an entire fleet of smaller ships to even chew up its armor and all the while it is probably outgunning your fleet 3:1. It's also configured to essentially be a floating city in space, it has enough fighters, landing craft, walkers, and whole garrisons of troops inside of it to suppress an entire star system by itself and works as a mobile Imperial stronghold.
As far as the design Star Wars takes a ton of inspiration from WWI / WWII and in those wars large capital ships were valued by 1. How many guns they could carry, 2. how large of guns they could mount, and 3. How much armor they could have in order to take hits and keep on fighting. This was measured by weight as the heavier a ship was the more armor it had, the more guns it likely had, and the heavier the guns it carried. A 30,000t battleship was outclassed in every way by a 50,000t battleship, which was outclassed in every way by a 70,000t battleship. Ruling out blind dumb luck there is no way that a smaller battleship could defeat a larger one as the larger battleship's armor could just absorb the hits, the larger guns could hit further and blast through it's thinner armor, and it had far more guns which meant it could sink the other ship faster through more guaranteed hits.
This is the general theory that Star Wars capital ships are built around. Obviously star fighters throw a wrench in that whole system, as they did in WWII where battleships were horribly outmatched by aircraft carriers, etc...
>>63525076
>>63524866
>>63524796
>>63524824
Did these books have a series name? Not specifically for Star Wars but the author/publisher of the book
I had a book on the Solar System when I was a kid that had the same sort of layout, type of text and signature red margin border
>>63515618
It's basically like if 9-11 had happened in space
>>63528702
incredible cross sections
>>63528200
larger ship means larger reactor, more armor, more guns
larger reactor means it can power more guns, have more powerful shields
its in space so there's nothing like wind/water resistance to slow you down, hyperdrive speeds work independent of mass it seems, and its size just means it needs more engines to accelerate, which it has
though even in the EU the ship was said to be essentially a show of force and totally impractical, as almost every role the executor filled, a regular star destroyer could do at a fraction of the cost and logistics
>>63528992
you don't use the executor as a normal capital ship, you use it at the tip of a massive campaign, both as a ship of the line and as a propaganda tool. while you could achieve the same result with a normal star destroyers, you use the executor as your biggest gun in a normal fleet, and you use it in conjunction with them to take out nigh impregnable systems.
>oh hey, the vong just tossed a world ship with support vessels at this sector of space
>well shit, we need to take it back, send in a few fleets with an SSD at the helm, should knock it right out of the sky
this is what the new republic did a number of times against the Vong, with the Lusyanka being the second most famous SSD, the other being the Executor
>>63517711
Thanks Adolph.
>>63521959
I think you mean it ment the influence of Darth Plageius from within his steel prison of R2D2. Plageius did it all, Luke waa his meat puppet.
>>63524422
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Locations-Inside/dp/0756614198/ref=pd_sim_14_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=51NZTYBFRoL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR119%2C160_&refRID=1DYNQFQ1PFFWH3100FRF
>>63525429
>>fucking broadsides at like 200 meters...in space
IMPLYING THAT WASN'T FUCKING AWESOME
ONE OF THE BEST SHOTS IN ALL STARWARDS
THAT WHOLE OPENING SEQUENCE TILL THEY CRASHLAND ON THE PLANET IS GOAT
