Batman Returns is fucking epic. What is your problem with it?
>>63496494
i like michelle pfeiffer in tight leather, so that's cool. no problem here.
>>63496494
i have no problem with it, I adore both of them
No problem except he killed that guy
>>63496494
Nothing, this and 1989 Batman are pretty good. Great even.
But I'm not a contrarian/nostalgiafag who thinks they're better than the Nolan trilogy.
Its script is retarded and Batman is barely in it.
>>63496494
Saw it when it came out and many times after that. It used to be my favorite movie as a kid.
Without a doubt the greatet rendition of Catwoman. She fukin unnerves me everytime. Penginue is just outright terrifying. Kids would piss themselves today.
Loved it when I was a kid, but watching it nowadays it looks more cartoonish than even the 89 Batman, but nowhere near as bad as the Schumaker Batmans
>>63496494
nice reddit movie
>>63496494
Not a problem at all.
It's the best Batman film. In fact it's one of my all time favorite movies.
>>63496494
I like it a lot but the Penguin stuff is pretty lame.
Goofier than the dark knight rises
>>63497373
This is the biggest problem with it. Batman is barely in it.
it's great
I like Batman & Robin too. the set design is fucking awesome, and the goofiness of it is charming
>>63497945
dat costume
>>63497945
>Meow
>BOOOM
Evryr time. goodnight
>>63496494
Nothing. It's generally considered the best Batman film by /tv/, for whatever that's worth. It's the best acted one by far. Pfeiffer is great, Keaton's great, Walken is his usual awesome. Di Vito overplays things a bit, but it's a fucking comic book movie, knock yourself out.
Super dark and funny as hell. Great movie.
reminder that penguin in this movie is a insane sociopathic child killing thalidomide baby with black ichor for blood who took over a circus and made it's performers into his own personal gang
>>63497992
Also like batman forever for the same reason.
I have no problem with it. It's the only Batman movie that I actually like and have gone back to watch more than once.
the batman mask is made of tearable rubber
>>63501031
So was your dad's condom. I'm sure he feels the same way about you as you do about the mask.
>>63496494
No problem for me neither. This is a great batman movie, maybe the best. I could bitch about act 3 but it would be meaningless. The score is grandiose, the sets are fabulous, the costumes are swag as fuck and the casting is flawless. 9/10 would bang again
>>63496494
>What is your problem with it?
Tim Burton wasn't allowed to make another one.
Batman Returns is glorious.
>>63496494
My problem is you used the word epic in [current year]
I like it, I could see why purists wouldn't like it, but honestly what do purists like? One of Burton's best when he was still at the top of his game.
>>63496494
>What is your problem with it?
That they didn't actually make DeVito fall face first into concrete. Shit was so fake.
Also, the penguinpallbearers
Other than that, it's great. Every Catwoman since has been cancer.
> Kid's film.
> Literally starts with a 10 minute abortion scene.
>>63502983
>Every Catwoman since has been cancer.
you take that back!
>>63497373
>>63497922
That's a good thing. There was too much Batman in "Batman". The villains are what saved the Burton movies.
>>63496494
Enjoyable movie, just not Batman.
It absolutely ruined the image of the penguin for years in the comics as a result of this abomination of character design, however, and that truly pisses me off.
Keaton is god tier Batman, and Michelle gave me a very new fetish.
>>63503048
thats catgirl
>>63503090
He didn't even show up until the 40 minute mark. The problem with the first film was it was filmed in darkness and on a 4 scene set with like 20 people making up the populace.
>>63503176
>He didn't even show up until the 40 minute mark.
Must be why I like it so much. Both the costume and the performance are fucking terrible.
Unintentionally the best Killer Croc story ever told.
>>63503231
I...can't fault you for that.
>>63503224
My favorite part was the 5mph car chase or eating soup at the dinner table in that fucking quirky burton mansion.
>>63496494
too noir
>>63496494
not enough yummy michelle pfeiffer
>>63496494
It was centered around an unlikable freak. The epitome of a burton film.
This is one of my favourite christmas movies
>>63497945
Know what I love about that movie? They look like their characters SO perfectly. You have no question at all who they are, you don't feel like you're watching actors, you're watching the characters.
>>63503001
It's not an abortion if he was already born.
Trying to drown a baby is pretty messed up though.
It was my first Batman movie and introduction to Batman that I saw on VHS recorded from TV when I was 7 in 1997. A lot of it went over my head but I loved it and watched it at least 20 times until the VHS started breaking down, I still remember those 90s christmas commercials. I loved it then and I love it now.
>>63496494
I fucking love it. My favourite Batman movie bar none. The way it showed Bruce as a loner with nothing to live for (the scene where he's just waiting for the bat signal while a party is going on downstairs) is amazing and the how Shrek was basically the 3rd villain is great as well.
Also, not having that much Batman is great. Batman is better when its about his rogue galleries anyway.
Up to this day I still find it amazing that they were able to top Batman which featured Nicholson.
>>63503231
>Born with weird mutation
>Circus Freak
>Lives in the sewers
>Antisocial, acts like a disgusting brutal savage infront of others
>"I'm not a human being, I am an animal, Cold Blooded!"
>>63503048
She's not Catwoman yet, though.
They also picked her because she looks like a young Michelle Pfeiffer because Pfeiffer was the best Catwoman.
>>63503231
Nah. Killer Croc is dumb muscle villain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUr7bM1A6s
Penguin, meanwhile, is a schemer. Instead of fighting Batman head-on, he comes up with a plan to ruin him and is able to outsmart the Bat (although Batman eventually outsmarts him in the end).
A Killer Croc film would have ended with a fight scene where Batman and Croc punch each other. I don't think Batman ever even hits Penguin (granted, it's been a while since I've seen the movie).
Best live action Batman
>>63504164
>Nah. Killer Croc is dumb muscle villain.
And that's why every story with him sucks.
It's just "hurr durr i am big stronk monster" and it always plays out the exact same way.
In this movie, Penguin isn't actually very intelligent. His overarching plan in the movie is to kidnap a bunch of children and drown them. He doesn't really have any kind of intelligent discourse with anybody, he never outsmarts Batman at any point. All of his underhanded plans in this movie come from other characters, Max Shreck decides he should run for Mayor, Catwoman comes up with the plan to make Batman out to be a monster and have everyone turn on him. All Penguin wants to do is kill kids and wreak havoc because he was born a freak.
What makes Batman Returns the best Killer Croc story is exactly BECAUSE it doesn't revolve entirely around Batman just having a "who can punch harder" fight with the bad guy, instead it explores the inner emotions of what an unwanted mutant would feel and his plan to get revenge on a world that rejected him before he was even born.
Also, the killer croc in your video was Batman in a killer croc costume.
The Nolan films are better honestly.
They actually followed the comics.
Year One and The Long Halloween are BB and TDK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxQfNjADq38
>>63504552
Long Halloween has almost nothing in common with TDK.
>>63504588
>the harvey/gordon/bruce triumverate
incuding rooftop batsignal scene
>harvey turning into twoface
>falconi/maroni mob stuff
And Year One is very much like BB
>>63504164
he throws him and hits him with his own umbrella after breaking his ducky.
Then he tricks him into blowing up his abandoned zoo hideout and unleashing a horde of bats that push him off a cliff.
Batman Returns looks amazing tbqh.
>>63504523
>"Killer Croc should have emotional depth"
No. That's what the Penguin is for. Penguin is a freak who cries about it and gets revenge. Killer Croc is a straight-out monster.
A good Killer Croc movie would almost be a horror film, and nothing like Batman Returns.
>>63504619
By that comparison with the exception of Dent becoming Twoface Gotham is far closer to the original comics than TDK because it has more in common with the Long Halloween.
>>63504639
It's visually the best looking live-action Batman. Nothing compares.
>>63504639
If they'd had him as just a greedy scheming shit instead of a monster it'd be better but it is still one of my favourites.
>>63504654
>A good Killer Croc movie would almost be a horror film
Yeah. The best part of the game Arkham Asylum was always dealing with Killer Croc. Shit was borderline spooky.
Just the pussy i've been looking for!
>>63504655
I agree, but we're talking about movies.
>>63504673
I agree, it set out as being a Batman movie, the Nolan ones were all in for realism instead.
>>63504654
>Killer Croc is a straight-out monster.
That's why he's fucking boring, and why every story featuring him fucking sucks.
>>63504693
Batman Begins is the only visually distinct one that I can remember the brown colors of Gotham for distinctly.
>>63504693
but the best batman stories are the ones Nolan took inspiration from.
Burton Batman is just wacky Burton bullshit: Barman edition.
>>63504740
But then he ignored the scenery and made it in Chicago instead.
>>63504654
before this movie, Penguin wasn't really depicted as a freak, he was just some short fat guy who was bullied as a kid and decided to own it with a bird theme.
>>63504711
Killer Croc isn't boring, though. He's exciting and thrilling when done right and treated like an inhumane monster, when they get the suspense right and really put Batman on the ropes.
Turning him into a thug or a goon is what sucks. He should be almost an urban legend (considering he's based on a real life urban legend) in Gotham, something truly not human, which is why giving him heavy emotions is also a bad idea. Let Killer Croc have his thing and Penguin have his thing.
>>63504711
All this Killer Croc hate.
Makes a man sad.
>>63504740
But the Nolan films fail in every way to live up to those good stories that they stole from. They're a shitty imitation, a pale comparison.
>>63504834
>>63504764
Yep, Returns and the Animated Series took a character with very little story and created one for him.
Killer Croc, meanwhile, has his thing. Let him do his thing.
>>63504857
>>63496494
i really like it
i dislike catwoman who i think detracts and adds nothing
devito is awesome and the surreal style of it is second to none
>>63504878
My 10-year old brother is more menacing villain than penguin
>>63504897
Poor Croc ;_;
>>63504838
nah
keep memeing tho
>>63504921
Pointless dump complete.
>>63504897
>>63504921
I guess he's a true kekodile.
>>63496494
No problem at all.
It's the most patrician capeshit ever.
>>63504807
In Batman Returns, Penguin is pretty monstrous, the only thing that really makes it "emotional" is it explores what makes him like that.
He still bites and murders people in the movie, and alot of people consider the scenes with penguin to be pretty creepy and frightening.
It's just the movie also asks "hey, would he really have been a monster if society didn't make him that way?"
I don't get why you feel the need that a character should only be depicted one way, especially a comic book character when characterisations often change and are fluid.
There never was a story in the comics that ever really attempted to add humanity to Killer Croc, and that's why he's pretty weak. Other Batman Villains have evolved over time and gained backstories that add to their character and make them interesting, and they tend to be the ones that stay popular over the years.
Killer Croc is just "Boo scary monster" and thats it.
>>63504935
>>63504921
>>63504897
>>63504878
>>63504857
>>63504834
But this would be against the other guy's argument, since it's adding an emotional aspect to the character.
>>63504935
thx
>itt millenials who were raised on nolans batman dont understand how a campy batman could be good
but deres no grimdark edgey???? #confused
>>63504987
That was the point.
>>63504991
DUDE CAMP LMAO
DUDE DRUGS DONT ACTUALLY PROVIDE ANY INSIGHT THEY JUST MAKE THE MUNDANE SEEM DEEP LMAO
DUDE EGO DEATH IS A MEME LMAO
DUDE DRUG INDUCED EGO DEATH IS NOT REAL BECAUSE NOTHING CAN SEPERATE US FROM THE SUM OF OUR EXPERIENCES WITHOUT PERMANTENTLY DAMAGING THE BRAIN LMAO
>>63505029
im not sure what youre getting at here
>>63505039
millenials cant focus long enough to create cogent thoughts
>>63497110
same for me. I watch it every Christmas.
Two guys if you count the one he lights on fire with the Batmobile's engine.
>>63505039
he's assravaged because he thinks you attacked his position and to him attacked him personally.
>>63504961
>There never was a story in the comics that ever really attempted to add humanity to Killer Croc, and that's why he's pretty weak. Other Batman Villains have evolved over time and gained backstories that add to their character and make them interesting, and they tend to be the ones that stay popular over the years.
In light of this recent dump I take this part of the argument back. I never read this story before and didn't know about it. Thanks anon.
>>63499191
you say that like it's a bad thing
Bruce Wayne... why are you dressed up as Batman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcuP09yk1bY
>>63504921
>>63504935
That is lame, dude.
That's Vader screaming "noooooooo" lame.
>>63504991
Nolan films are bad because they lack the camp.
Shoemaker films are bad because they are all camp.
Burton gets it just right.
>>63505232
nah
>>63505232
I don't know about bad, when I want a gritty take on Batman I watch the Nolan films, when I want a gothic take on Batman I watch the Burton films. When I want to laugh at a parody of Batman I watch the Schumacher films.
>>63505210
>>63505093
I kind of left out one of the important parts of the comic. Croc escapes prison by biting off his own arms, he's found by a woman and she restores him back to health, starts talking to him and treating him like a human, calls him by his first name, isn't scared of him, touches him etc etc. In exchange for it he helps them out with a few things, becomes their bodyguard then the betrayal happens. It's all kinda sad.
Not too bad for a short story.
>>63505193
CUZ HE IS BATMAN YOU MORON.
WAS.
>>63503452
>>63503452
>Trying to drown a baby is pretty messed up though.
Yes, it's a great twisted version of Moses
>>63505263
>when I want a gritty take on Batman I watch the Nolan films
They fail at that, though. The closest Nolan's Batman comes to grit is a gravely voice, and even that is a huge joke.
Nolan's Batman also isn't realistic at all.
All Nolan's Batman has is the veneer of being a badass Batman, something only young teenage boys fall for. The movies are the equivalent of a shirt with flames on it.
>>63505653
desu as a grown man in his 20s i shed a tear in nolan 3 when batman sacrificed his life for gotham
then he just came back to life ten seconds later and it was like whatever i guess fuck this for making me feels
>>63505653
nah
>>63496494
It's good, but the first one was so great it overshadows this one.
>>63505278
Imagine a story where Jason Voorhees, as the hockey-masked monster Jason, is killing dumb teenagers when he falls in the lake and starts drowning again. A woman saves him, and monster Jason falls in love with her. She then uses him to kill her husband, and when he finds out, he kills the woman and her boyfriend. Then he cries a lot. "I'm not the real monster," Jason sobs as the police arrive. "They are."
That's how fucking dumb that shit is.
>>63505686
Batman is Jesus Christ.
The Batplane was his crucifix.
>>63505653
At least Batman & Robin is funny bad. Dark Knight isn't even funny bad. It's just bad.
>>63505728
gotham are the jews?
there certainly are parrallels with jesus and nolans batman now i think about it
>>63505707
What a ridiculous fallacy.
>>63505750
Bane and that one chick were the Jews.
Gotham is humanity.
Gordon is an apostle.
The bomb is original sin.
Bat-Jesus took that original sin from Gotham on his flying Bat-Crucifix, so that it could explode safely over the water.
Then, seven days later, Bat-Jesus ascends to a restaurant in Europe, because there was an autopilot (autopilot is Jesus being the Lord).
>>63505823
Wait, no, Bane was Rome. The chick was a Jew.
>>63505749
fucking kek kill yourself you retard
>>63505707
Imagine if Friday the 13th was about Jason Voorhees being an inhumane monster who mysteriously came from nowhere instead of being a kid who drowned and came back from the dead for revenge.
the anti radioactive hero
bravo nolan
>>63505850
Now imagine Jason Voorhees taking off his mask and having a good sob because a girl called him a monster.
Wow, compelling storytelling.
>>63505895
The difference is that the story was about them having a relationship and leading him to believe there's hope then trying to have him killed.
A story like that would never work with Jason because that's just not what Jason is, it works plenty fine for a Batman Villain though, especially since Modern Batman is all about his villains being human beings who are only evil because of the wrongs society did to them.
>>63505895
>And then, Jason looked at the blood on his hands.
>"WHAT HAVE I BECOME?" shouted Jason.
>>63505969
>A story like that would never work with Jason because that's just not what Jason is
That's not what Killer Croc is, either.
Would work with another character. Maybe the Penguin.
>>63505969
Why are you even attempting to explain this angle? It's clear they've never read any stories about it.
>>63505895
Imagine a story where, get this, Superman, the champion of justice, was actually a megalomaniac who used his powers to take over the world.
Wow, compelling storytelling. It's almost like comics are a completely strict medium where things can't radically change under a different writer.
1. 1989 Batman 9/10
2. 1993 Batman: Mask of the Phantasm 9/10
3. 2005 Batman Begins 8/10
4. 2008 The Dark Knight 8/10
5. 1992 Batman Returns (7/10)
6. 2012 The Dark Knight Rises (6/10
7. 1995 Batman Forever (6/10)
8. 1997 Batman & Robin (3/10)
9. 1966 Batman: The Movie (3/10)
inb4 animated ones don't count - MotP is the only one that does, and that's because it's the only one to receive a theatrical release.
>>63505989
Imagine a story where the penguin was a mutated monster who lived in the sewers, was touted as an urban legend, bit people with his freaky teeth and tried to murder sleeping children.
Do you know what the general argument against Batman Returns' depiction of the Penguin is?
>>63506066
You can literally see where you began the decision-making process to put brackets around the ratings... good list though.
>>63506034
Thing is, when Superman does something like that, it's like, an elsewhere comic or whatever.
Red Sun isn't "our" Superman. He's another Superman.
If they did that with "our" Superman, people wouldn't like it. It's poor writing to be inconsistent with a character. If you're writing a character that has had multiple authors, you need to research that character for the sake of consistency.
It's like if Batman pulled a gun on people. Yeah, people wouldn't like that. But if it's Batman's dad in a reality created by the Flash fucking up time, people can dig it because that's not the same character.
>>63506088
Oh so it's only cool if it's an elseworlds comic that isn't canon.
Not like they ever visited an alternate universe or anything and met an evil superman, not like the comic we're talking about is a main canon storyline for Batman.
It's also a fucking comic book, canon is meaningless in the world of comics, all that matters is the individual story in this day and age.
>>63506066
Nightwing: Year One (aka Tom Yum Goong) 9/10
Cassandra Cain: Year One (aka Chocolate) 9/10
>>63506088
>If you're writing a character that has had multiple authors, you need to research that character for the sake of consistency.
I disagree. I treat every author's work as their own canon - it's the healthiest way to read comics. No character inconsistencies, but also less plot-holes and general problems across the range of works.
Like, whatever Millar does with Superman is Millar-canon. Obviously there are exceptions, like when a writer is explicitly and obviously writing an alternate version of an established character, such as Red Son, but I just mean the "our Superman" you refer to. I don't treat any series with multiple writers as one overarching canon - each writer's run is a new spin on the character, as far as I'm concerned.
>>63506149
You're right, consistency is for chumps. Batman would have been much better if he just started shooting people in the middle of the film. And then he starts robbing banks. Then he goes back to crime fighting like nothing ever happened. Then he fucks a prostitute, murders her, and wears the corpse. Then the movie ends with Gordon saying he's the hero Gotham needs.
>>63506171
So The Dark Knight Returns is set in the same universe as Year One? I can get on board with this.
>>63506088
So interpreting Batman Returns as a Killer Croc story is awful because it doesn't fit in line with the canon of the comics?
None of the movies are canon storylines in the comics though, they all just take bits and pieces and change them around and tell their own versions of the stories.
>>63506218
you realize you are defending Batman Returns depiction of it's characters as being true to the comics with this argument don't you?
The movie where Batman sets a guy on fire, Catwoman is a secretary who comes back from the dead through the power of an ancient egyptian cat god, and the penguin is a cold blooded mutant birdman?
>>63506235
How about a Batman movie where it's a wacky romantic comedy and Bruce Wayne never actually dresses up like Batman and fights crime?
Seth Rogen as Bruce Wayne.
>>63505823
>autopilot is Jesus being the Lord
then who was the BIG GUY?
>>63506284
>>63506284
how about a batman comic where he's a fucking pirate
>>63506284
how about a batman movie where he finds himself on an intergalactic space adventure and comes face to face with Darkseid, ruler of Apokolips
>>63506319
>>63506284
dude what if Lex Luthor, brilliant millionaire criminal, and the Joker, psychotic clown mass murderer, teamed up and had a wacky dynamic with eachother
I have no problem with Returns, I just prefer 89.
>>63497337
They are better TDKR most definitely.
>>63506284
dude what if they took Mr Freeze, a silly character whose only known for making ice and cold puns, and decided to add an emotional element to him and make him a tragic character?
Pretty fucking stupid to take something comedic and try to make it sad right?
>>63506410
>Joker
>>63504639
Can say a lot about Tim Burton but the man can shoot a scene.
>>63506341
>Captain B. Atman
>His first officer Robin Grayson
>On the run from Governor Gordon as they take out the other pirates, because Mr. and Mrs. Atman were murdered by pirates when the Captain was a boy.
>Mr. Freeze has a ship made of ice
>The Riddler leaves treasure maps for Atman to find.
>Killer Croc attacks the ship from below
>The Joker runs a floating circus
Why do I want this?
...It was at this point where I Googled to see if Batman as a pirate was already a thing. I understand your post now. I don't read enough comics, clearly.
>>63506284
how about they make a Star Wars movie where they take Darth Vader, evil remorseless cyborg bad guy robot man, and decide to add an extra dimension to his character in the sequel and make him Luke's father?
>>63506470
I'd love a movie where Joker is about to kill Batman, but then a kid is crossing the street and about to get hit by a car, so Joker is torn between saving the kid and killing his rival. Joker, being a noble man, obviously saves the kid without hesitation, and the evil Batman gets away.
"Looking both ways before crossing the street is no laughing matter," the Joker says, sad that he let a monster like Batman go, but happy the kid is alright.
>>63506511
if it makes you feel better, all of your ideas are better than the shit that was the Elseworlds story.
>>63506527
This, but it's Kid Vader driving in Space Nascar.
>>63506544
Nolan returns to do Batman 4, which is a retelling of Weekend at Bernie's, but with Batman characters.
>>63506470
That's Jason Todd tho
>>63506341
So...this?
>>63506544
imagine if the joker challenged batman to a surfing contest and put on silly yellow surfing shorts to impress the kids.
>>63506618
Nah, the Joker is Batman's best friend now. In fact, they're brothers. Also, their parents are alive! And they don't fight crime or do crime or nothing. They just dress up for funsies.
>>63506544
imagine a movie where Batman, the guy who doesn't kill anybody, ties the joker's leg to a gargoyle while he's hanging for dear life from a helicopter and then gravity gives way and he falls to his death
>>63506661
Imagine a movie where Batman isn't a man. He's a computer that plays chess.
>>63506460
dude what if batman didnt have a batjet or batcaptor or batcar and he just flew around on a flying manta ray and there was a bunch of em
>>63506676
What if Batman wasn't a bat like an animal but instead (get this) a bat like (stay with me) a baseball bat. MINDBLOWN 7/7
>>63506651
Imagine if I just kept posting actual examples of things that actually happened that people enjoyed and you kept posting illogical fallacies.
>>63506711
Imagine I just keep posting ridiculous "what ifs" for fun that undermine the concept that you can just do whatever with a character and it be universally praised. Also feel free to keep ignoring all those times that they did something completely different with Batman and people totally hated it like that new Joker because that makes you look like a real oaf.
>>63506709
imagine if I kept posting actual examples of things that happened in Batman stories and posting logical fallacies.
>>63506618
that will never happen
>>63506750
THIS IS WHAT NOLAN SHOULD HAVE DONE.
>>63506711
>illogical fallacies
so truth then?
>>63506805
That anon is a dummy. Cut him so slack, anon.
Religion raised athiests love comic books because it plays to their lost interests including but not limtied to: mythology, heroes, power, retribution and moral compassing.
>>63506740
I understand the point you were making, yes, sometimes people go crazy and make shit that makes no fucking sense.
But adding an emotional element to killer croc makes sense and people would enjoy, and have enjoyed, a story that toys with a mostly untouched part of the character.
It's not the same thing as making a poorly thought out edgy joker story.
Comics are filled with experimentation, some times it pays off and we get better more complex characters out of it. Sometime's it's complete shit.
Why are you so against the experimentation of Killer Croc? Why is it so bad to you that people try out something different?
If nobody experimented or changed anything with comics Batman would just be a ripoff of the phantom.
>>63506747
omg u guise imagine if batman knew catwoman when he was a kid and jim gordon like worked for the penguin and stuff and jim gordon also worked with the riddler and woudln't it be cool if riddler and penguin sang together and nursed penguin back to health and also child sacrifice
>GOAT Catwoman
>GOAT Penguin
>Best Batman
>Based Walken
>Gotham in winter as it should be
>That GOAT Siouxsie & the Banshees song
>Doesn't shy away from the campy aspects of the character and his franchise
Best Batman movie tbqh fampai
>>63506915
That show sucks a dick, though.
>>63506854
atheists also love comix because they wish they could put on a cape and use their xray vision to see if there's a girl alone in the theater who also has spaghetti in their coat pocket
>>63506967
>projecting
>>63506962
nuh uh fish mooney is the most well written character on television the show has the best acting in addition to my previous statements
>>63506854
They'll deride religion non stop and make fun of it until they're blue in the face then turn around and wax intellectual about the creativity of the 'art' of comic books, ignoring that the mythos of comic book stories is the same as religious texts.
>defined morals
>beyond human powers
>good and evil
>inspiration
>>63496494
> Dat timeless Gotham
> Dat best Catwoman ever played by one of the sexiest, scratch that, the sexiest actress.
> Dat Batman breaking his own rules and blowing up criminals
It was fucking great. Best Bats movie yet.
Batman Returns: 100/10
Batman Mask of the Phantasm: 9/10
Batman 89: 8/10
Batman Adam West Movie: 8/10
Batman Forever: 6/10
Batman & Robin: 4/10
Batman Dark Knight Rises: 2/10
Batman Dark Knight: 0.5/10
Batman Begins: -10/10
>>63507166
Begins was the best one though.
>>63504935
something ironic is that they did a slighlty similar and less violent version of this in BTAS
featuring the Penguin
>>63507274
Yeah I've got all the stories, I disliked the art in that one though but it did really show how scary Penguin can be.
>>63496494
I adore them. Even Schumachers example of Burtons style of Gotham(which is fitting for the comics) beats the shit out of the boring,realistic and not even Batman trilogy from Nolan.
I wish Burton did the other 2 desu. Would have been amazing.
pic related
>>63497945
Now THAT'S Batman.
Nolan is definitely shit.
>>63507371
Would be cool if Burton one day sat down and talked about what he'd do with a third Batman movie if McDonalds hadn't got him fired.
>>63507371
Did Burton create the idea of a gothic themed Gotham or did that exist in the comics prior?
>>63507371
Burton's Gotham is amazing. I can't picture Gotham without thinking Burton's Batman. The use of tall statues and a dark brooding place is truly fitting for Batman.
>>63507418
>the villain Mad Hatter pines over some woman who he can't have and then ends up killing her
>Played by Johnny Depp
>the woman is played by Helena Bonham Carter
>>63507451
whoops, meant to reply to >>63507411
>>63507417
I think it did to an extent but Burton cranked it up to 11. Of course today the shitty comics make the city look modern / futuristic.
>>63507411
>This is how I would have done Batman Forever
>This is how I would have done Batman and Robin.
I'm upset honestly.
>>63507417
In livescreen media yes. It's his unique style.
Even the TV series Gotham is inspired by Burton and completely ignores the generic nolan trilogy that doesn't even resemble the comics. Their Gotham is getting increasingly darker and violent as the show goes on. It's very subtle.
The best Gotham is the one in BTAS. It takes everything Burton did right, and the things he did wrong by going too extreme, and tones it down just perfectly for ambiance[sp?].
>>63507583
Where did Burton go too extreme with his depiction of Gotham?
>>63507520
It annoyed me that Nolan's Gotham was sunny, it's supposed to be perma-dim due to all the pollution.
>>63507418
Not to mention the gargoyles,the monorail,the criss crossing metal beams to keep the old city from crumbling. Even the villains were straight out of the comics. They weren't actors. They were actual characters.
Can you Imagine what Burton could have done with Poison Ivy,Two Face,Riddler,Mr Freeze and Bane? In Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
Arkham games were inspired by Burton aswell.
I want THAT Batman to return and remove this "realistic" generic crap it's honestly boring and just not Batman.
>>63507615
>Can you Imagine what Burton could have done with Poison Ivy,Two Face,Riddler,Mr Freeze and Bane? In Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
Ruined them the same way he ruined Catwoman, Batman, and Penguin? No thanks.
>>63507583
BTAS Batman was pretty different from Burton's. BTAS was all dark deco, Burton's was all gothic.
>>63507603
General clutter. It's more realistic, in the way that it's how a city the size of Gotham would be, but it's not aesthetic. BTAS solves that problem by using negative space and shadows between buildings and the horizon.
>>63507633
>ruined Catwoman, Batman and Penguin
now you're just baiting. give me a better depiction of Catwoman Batman and Penguin. I'll wait. and please don't name cartoons for fuck's sake
>>63507633
This bait.
>>63507633
I bet you're a fan of Halle Berry movies.
When Batman rips his mask off he no longer has black makeup on his eyes. Does Batman know magic?
>>63507684
>>63507684
Being the best of shit adaptations doesn't make something a great adaptation. His work is crap.
>Don't name cartoons
Why not, are they not adaptations?
>>63507711
I really wish they just kept the black make up on and had him either wipe it off or just leave it on.
The imagery would've worked.
>first time coming back to /tv/ in 1 year
>anons talking about my favourite batman
>and they LIKED IT
what the fuck I thought this place was all but cancer now
>>63507711
Yes. He was taught by the League of Shadows in the Dark Arts of Makeup Removal at Ninja Speed.
cause its awful
Worst catwoman ever
I can't imagine this place in 20 years with nostalgia glasses and remembering Thor as great films
>>63496494
This is the best batman movie out there, no problems senpai.
>yfw you realize this is the movie that made BDSM popular
>>63507798
>Comparing Tim Burton's Batman Returns to marvelshit
There's a reason nobody needs to look up Tim Burton's name when talking about his Batman movies.
>>63507798
>Worst catwoman ever
pic related
Catwoman was pure sex, but on opening weekend the trailer attached to batman returns was "Cool world".
Kim Basinger as a lewd cartoon woman followed by a latex-clad catwoman. It was a boner overload.
Keep in mind this was 1992 and we didn't have much "toon sex" or lewd anime girls yet. We didn't have latex fetish websites either so the latex catsuit thing was new to a lot of people.
>>63497945
>shrecks
what did this sign mean?
>>63507798
you mean best right?
>>63507908
max shreck, walken's character, his dept store
shreck is love shreck is life
>>63506066
Why is Mask of the Phantasm so highly rated? It's mediocre.
>>63507798
As expected, a Nolanturd's "post" is barely coherent. Learn to spell and use basic English, moron
>>63496494
I have no problems whatsoever, my favorite Batman film. Not much of a fan when it comes to Burton's later works, but Returns is awesome.
>>63507941
nostalgia for batmantas?
>>63507646
Bruce Timm has gone on record saying he used Burton's Gotham as inspiration and flat out copied some of it.
It's a different art direction, but it's sure as hell the same Gotham.
>>63507908
All films are made better by putting a Shreck in it
>>63507906
Ah, Cool World. Memories!
>>63507908
The 'main' villain was an OC character played by Christopher Walken, who was named after the actor who played Count Orlok.
>>63508018
He also name dropped 'Jack Napier' in Joker's file at one point, and modeled the original Penguin design off Danny Devito's.
>>63506066
>7. 1995 Batman Forever (6/10)
>8. 1997 Batman & Robin (3/10)
Shit taste
>>63508206
I'd rate B&R above Forever for Batman credit card alone
>>63506661
Imagine a movie where Batman, the noble defender of the city, beats up people who are only trying to make their way into the world and causes them to go through serious life-changing crippling injuries instead of killing them, like dropping them from the roof of a building.
Now imagine a movie where the stoic Batman who does not kill people purposefully incinerates a group of people with his jet engine vehicle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4ux2NclHoE one thing I love about the movie is how the Penguin poses no real physical threat to Batman, and when they do finally fight Batman has complete control of everything.
>>63496494
it's really me guys.
i spend all my time shitposting on 4chan now.
i need someone to call me a big guy.
>>63504678
>best part of Asylum
>not the Scarecrow sequences
Though Croc's sewer is good too
>>63508435
He lost all that weight but it was probably related to throat cancer and not exercise. He usually keeps his tracheostomy breathing aid hidden under his bandanna.
>>63508632
wow he's the next tommy lee jones
>>63508632
His role in Life's Too Short with Warwick Davis (the peck from Willow) a couple of years ago was perfect.
