>dude i dunno, this Paradise Lost stuff sounds too good. Makes it sound like a potentially great movie.
>oh i got it lets call it..
pic related
Alien Convenent sounds like a straight to dvd horror movie.
Now that Prometheus is explicitly set within the Alien universe through its sequel's new title will this movie attempt to explain the discrepancies Prometheus created in the Alien story?
Why was the Space Jockey/Engineer found in the first Alien way bigger than the ones found in Prometheus? Why jars of black goo instead of face hugger eggs? Why was the crashed ship found in Alien seemingly sitting around a lot longer than the ruins found in Prometheus (the Nostromo crew said the Space Jockey they found looked fossilized).
I'm guessing no.
>>63446254
It could very much have been an ancient version of the engineers.
The size of the Jockeys was what bugged me the most. Shittiest fucking retcon i've ever seen.
This is what happens when you try to give a backstory to a cool design that should've been left the fuck alone. If you can't do it right, leave it alone.
>>63446569
it's suffering to be an Alien fan.
>>63446753
It's fine so long as you're not autistic. Just acknowledge everything after the original movie as non-canon cash in garbage and never associate with anybody who praises any of those films.
>>63446803
>everything after the original movie
>disregarding Aliens
>muh horror genre that has literally never been good
Top kek
>>63446094
good thing it's not called that, then
Breaking news: Ridley Scott is senile.
In other news, water is wet.
>>63447936
Aliens is one of the worst films ever made.
>>63446569
this right fucking here
It still should be called "Prometheus: Subtitle", this pisses me off so much.
He made such a big deal about how Prometheus was something related to Alien, but also its own thing, so it was called Prometheus, but now he doesn't stick to his laurels and calls this one an Alien movie? Fuck that.
>>63446569
It also bugged me how it looked nothing like the Jockey. There's no visible mouth, they're too small, and the "trunk" is too short and doesn't look at all what the Jockey in Alien looked like.
I guess you could argue that they a different "breed" of Jockey but why even make it a prequel anyway?
>>63445973
I'm still hoping they change it back to Paradise Lost.
>Alien - Ripley finds an alien.
>Aliens - Ripley kills aliens.
>Alien 3 - Ripley gives birth to an alien.
>Alien 4 - Ripley is part alien.
Dances with Xenos
>>63448065
Scott annoys me so fucking much, he seen the great interest people had in Isolation and also what Bomkampf wanted to do with Alien 5 and no doubt had a massive fucking ego trip thats now leading to this
He seems to fucking forget that the success behind his Alien and Blade Runner - his only good films in my opinion - is more down to the team behind him, he was a good art director and good at storyboards, thats it from what ive learned, i mean every other film he has made has been pretty meh or complete shit since then
I honestly believe he thinks he can carry anything
>>63448172
You didnt think gladitor was good senpai? ;_;
>>63448226
I mean it was okay i dont hate it or anything
>>63448172
He's one of those people who, what with his early successes and riches, thinks anything he says is automatically good, that there's no room to improve an idea, no need for sounding boards or development. You can hear it in the way he talks about his ideas. It's just an idea in his head and he's going to say it and it will get made and that's all there is to it. It's exactly the same as Lucas. Star Wars isn't a story he's concocted and constructed, sculpted into being, with the aid of many talented people who all contributed to it, it's just a whole reality that already exists fully formed in his head, waiting to be made to his exacting vision.
>>63445973
>covenant
fucking halo bullshit
>>63448383
/v/idya shit has nothing to do with this senpai
>>63448315
Im glad someone else understands
I try to explain this to my pleb friends but they just dont seem to understand
I think it says alot about Ridleys ego when the original Prometheus was to be about space jesus, i could be completelly wrong but im sure i read that, then they had Lindeloff do re writes
Dont get me wrong though that could have been cool as fuck if it was done right
>>63445973
>Prometheus 2
>Master chief collection
sounds legit!
>>63448478
original prometheus was supposed to be 100% in space jockey language with subtitles and how they made life
>>63448414
>Halo heavily influenced by the Alien series
>Has alien group of species known as the Covenant
>Halo becomes more popular than Alien amongst the current generation (I work at a movie store and literally only about 15% of people who walk through the door have seen Alien)
>Not thinking that is influencing the title at all
>>63448686
well for fuck sake knowing this has ruined my year ;(
Imagine the planet they inhabit if it followed Gigers style as much as they could
>>63448012
i like Alien better, but Aliens expands the lore meaningfully imo. barely acceptable as a good movie though.
>>63448776
imagine, no fucking humans, actual alien space jockeys not blue giant dudes all they do is talk in space language doing space shit in their giger place
>>63446569
>>63448765
>>/v/edditor shilling this hard
>>63448765
>Halo more popular than Alien
no it isn't you fucking autistic man child
>>63445973
Prometheus sounds like a potentially great movie. Alien and Gladiator don't. The quality of Ridley Scott's movies is inversely proportional to the cleverness of the title.
The 4 hour Making of Prometheus Documentary is a "How to destroy a movie" handbook.
>>63449316
by your logic, Attack of the Clones should be the best Star Wars film ever.
>>63445973
No, dude. It's COH-ven.
>>63448765
>I work at a movie store and literally only about 15% of people who walk through the door have seen Alien
kek, ok m8
>>63449180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0tglR4KFgE&list=PLvTLBWhP0Vwm5H2MaK2v1CGy7lT_FV539&index=7
;_;
>>63449249
>>63449306
>Halo 5: Guardians is the fastest-selling Halo game to-date according to Microsoft. The game's launch also marks the biggest so far on the Xbox One, with over $400 million in global games and hardware sales
>Prometheus Box office Box office $403.4 million
Sorry m8s Alien just isn't the sci-fi titan it used to be. Almost anyone aged 13-30 would be more familiar with Halo than Alien
>>63449180
Our ancestors sure look gay.
>>63449499
>The game's launch also marks the biggest so far on the Xbox One, with over $400 million in global games and hardware sales
>cost of game is 4-5 times the cost of movie ticket
Calling it Paradise Lost would be retarded. What would they call the sequel? The Divine Comedy? Paradise Lost is something already; invent a new title.
>>63447936
No it isn't. It's a dated 80's action flick, but it's not one of the worst things ever made, far from it in fact. [Spoiler]The last act is pretty good tbqh famalam.[/spoiler]
>>63449499
>not even an Alien movie
none of that has any relevance to popularity or pop culture impact anyway, it just shows how over priced games are.
>>63446569
Maybe they were children?
>>63449581
At least they're white.
>>63445973
>Paradise Lost
Like the John Milton novel?
>>63449878
>redditor can't spoiler correctly
>has shit taste
No surprises here
>>63450147
>novel
>>63449878
Get out
Stay out
Kill yourself
>>63446569
I'm more pissed off by it turning out that they don't look like crazy insect elephant things but rather they're just blue humans in creepy spacesuits.
>>63450211
Aliens is among the most "redditor" films ever made. Anybody here who wouldn't erase it from existence without hesitation should go back to their video game hotpocket home board. Alies is the ultimate capeshit infantilization insult to a masterpiece.
It's like if you made a sequel to blade runner with epin action scenes and meme dialogue. You are perpetually underage in sensibility if you enjoy Aliens.
>>63450459
Do people who type like this expect other people to take what they say seriously?
>>63445973
would a prometheus beat up a predator?
>>63446254
Ridley doesn't need to cater to your autism. If you need everything spelled out to the minute detail stick with Nolan.
>>63450459
12 year old newfag detected.
>>63450745
They WILL explain things and make shit up at the same time in order to justify making these lame nostalgia bait cash-ins. They are not gonna go in new directions, they're just following Marvel's formula (SURPRISE SURPRISE hey? I thought not.)
>>63450828
I am 35 years old and Aliens has been my most hated movie for my entire adult life. Like I said, if you think there is anything of value in that shitfest then you remain underage in sensibility. If I could organize a meeting of Aliens fans I'd strap a bomb to myself and take out as many of them as I could without a moment's hesiation. If you like Aliens you could be burning to death in front of me and I'd have zero sympathy for you. You killed the artform that I devoted my life to, I'd fucking end you,
>>63451073
35 year old autistic edgelord.
Aliens is one of my favourite movies off all time, the only reason you can hate it so much is if your father molested you while making you watch it.
"Daddy mostly comes at night, mostly"
>>63451159
I'd feel zero remorse letting you die is all I can say. I hate it because it infantilized the second greatest science fiction film of all time into capeshit schlock.
>waiting for the sequel where Shaw goes to the Engineers planet
>they announce a movie with a whole new crew
>>63451199
what an autist, maybe you're just projecting all your self-hate into the movie.
>>63446569
Distant cousin perhaps?
>>63447936
Aliens is fucking shit and is nothing compared to Alien. Fuck you, go suck James Camerons dick
>>63448867
>Expands lore meaningfully
>Turned Xenomorphs from scary beast that can sneak up on you and kill you without breaking a sweat into fodder than can easily be killed by a few bullets
>>63449180
>Steven King
Stephen King is a hack tho
>>63446254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q
>>63451388
>can easily be killed by a few bullets
>they decimated heavily armed marines in a matter of minutes
>>63451199
I did great, it's a great film.
What you wanted aliens to be another spooky haunted house in space movie.
That would of fucking sucked you shitty little manchild.
>>63449180
>The Firestarter
>>63451406
>28 minutes
yeah no...
>>63451430
And then like three marines and Ripley were able to kill 30+ in a few minutes with the same weapons they had before
>>63451449
The very fact that a sequel was made at all is incredibly insulting. Sequel making and franchise building is "hotpocket sensibility".
>>63451495
>>63449470
God that music, the scenes on the planet, the ship, the atmosphere. It's damn perfect!
>>63451528
dum
>>63451406
I've seen this before and they're "answers" are mostly bullshit.
Half the things they say are
>Just look at the ARG website!
Which is SHIT storytelling. If the movie requires prior reading it's worthless. The movie should tell it's story on it's own.
Also they don't even explain why characters act like complete retards.
>>63448172
Kingdom of Heaven DC is goat f.a.m
>>63451593
watch it again moron
>>63451512
You're a really boring motherfucker aren't you.
>>63446254
>Why was the Space Jockey/Engineer found in the first Alien way bigger than the ones found in Prometheus?
When the Nostromo crew walks in the room the space jockey looks 30 feet tall and they're ants compared to him. When Dallas climbs up to take a closer look he looks very much the size we saw in Prometheus, maybe even smaller. I think this was a trick of camera perspective.
>Why jars of black goo instead of face hugger eggs?
The goo goes through a few different hosts before it becomes a Xeno, maybe they'd rather infect an ecosystem through use of this goo than plant eggs around and hope an infestation takes hold.
>Why was the crashed ship found in Alien seemingly sitting around a lot longer than the ruins found in Prometheus (the Nostromo crew said the Space Jockey they found looked fossilized).
It wasn't the same planet so wasn't necessarily the same ship. It could have been part of the first attempt by the engineers to leave the planet 2000 years prior, an even earlier crash we still don't have an origin for, or a later one we'll see when Ridley rounds off his planned trilogy. Dallas' comment doesn't amount to much, we saw in Prometheus that what we thought was a skeleton was actually a flight suit, and fossilization doesn't occur outside of sediment.
>>63451406
>Twin Pretentious
>>63451679
I'm watching it now and they use a fucking viral marketing campaign to explain questions.
That's shit storytelling. These questions should have been answered in the film.
Also
>Damon Lindleof knew the ending of Lost from the beginning
>Lost was one of the best shows in the past decade
This video is shit. I don't hate TP but this video is pure ass-pulling
>>63451944
>providing answers with proof
>ass-pulling
moron
>>63452029
Viral ad campaigns are not proof.
Again, the movie should have explained these questions. Not some webpage made to promote the film.
>>63452160
actually they are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction)
enjoy being wrong.
>>63451218
Fucking triggered by this
>>63451406
>REC2 in their essential list
lost all credibility right there
DUDE LET'S EXPLAIN THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UNEXPLAINED LMAO
>>63453156
I just wanted to see Big Boss go nuclear
It's going to turn out that David is the Space Jockey from the original Alien
CALLING IT NOW
It's truly one of a kind franchise. There are just so many combinations. People just love to pretend some movies never happened. Sometimes movies did it for them. It's normal to ignore A3. A:R, AVP, AVP2:R and now Prometheus because of the ruined space jockeys.
I'm gonna wait for the Aliens sequel. I'm willing to give it a chance. If it sucks I'm just gonna ignore it.
>>63453277
>"Blood Runs Deep" mission area is shaped like a diamond
>Big Boss has to assassinate some rogue soldiers
>turns out they're kids
>they start offering him diamonds in exchange for their lives
>"Holy shit this is amazing, this is the moment where-"
>he saves them
Fuck it all.
>>63453454
I can't fucking stand Aliens and a sequel being made to that movie in particular is just about the worst thing that could possibly happen from my perspective. Alien 3 is actually pretty good made me sick to hear fanboys celebrate the idea of it being retconned in order to suck the dick of the movie that fucked up the series some more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eta5t850U3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4p1mZnKkhc
>>63454035
Why are they wierdly satisfying to have on in the background?
>>63454315
White noise, shit feels weird after you pause it.
>>63446569
THIS!!! THIS!!!! Also they were not fucking humans in suits or whatever they were these fucked up giger elephant things why the FUCK are they not in the film!?
How long until they remake Alien? Really hope they get a black woman for the lead though.
>>63454500
wTF!? This is bait right?! You cannot be serious?
>>63446254
>>63446569
One theory is that the spaceship is 'overgrown'. The ones in prometheus are ancient, but a lot less ancient than the one found in Alien. The ships are clearly biomechanical, so it's possible that instead of dying, the ship overgrows and becomes more organic, turning into how it looks like in Alien. The suit is also biomechanical and could have literally grown with everything else.
The other posibility is that some Engineers have bigger suits. Why not? My it's some sort of mecha armor used in combat. You've got your normal attire, and then you've got a big as suit for some ground troops or some shit.
>>63454529
Im dead serious unless you want fucking Scareltt Jewhanson or Jewnifer lawrence?
>>63450434
That would have been shitty. the designs for them aren't particularly scary. At least the pale muscular humanoids were a tad bit creepy.
>>63454665
They might not have been scary, but they definitely would have been morealienand that's got a lot of potential to be used in a scary way.
>>63454665
no they fucking wernt you jew, and this is jew mentality right here. Somthing humanoid is more scary thana fucking walking skeletal elephant? Fuck off
>>63446569
It fucking pains me what they done the Space Jockey in Prometheus.
It was the one fucking thing they did not need to do anything with as going further would ruin what it was. It was the pure essence of the film title - Alien.
Now the series should be renamed Star Trek: The Ripley Chronicles.
Alien 10/10
Aliens 8/10
Alien 3 9/10
Alien Resurrection: 6,5/10
AvP: 3/10
AvP2: 1/10
Prometheus: 7/10
>>63454579
They're not as big as they seemed in that first scene. see pics at >>63451740 >>63453363
>>63454579
Giant mecha suits? It makes it even more pedestrian. Even watching it as a kid I imagined the jockeys as some form of life beyond our comprehension. Weird. The relation between the body and the "chair" unclear etc. Something which is actually more realistic.
>>63454720
A giant elephant skeltal would have been tonally off with the rest of the series faggot.
>>63454831
what
They would have looked pretty similar to the xenos, look at their body structure
And it was so creepy in the first film when the camera stays on the jockey for a brief moment after everyone goes to check on Kane. Like you expect it to blink or something but it doesn't and just continues to sit there indifferently like it has for millennia.
You expect anything like this from a modern blockbuster?
>>63454831
>millenial
>tonally off
>confirmed for not watching the first film
motherfucker nothing could be more tonally off than anything that came after alien 3 including the avp's
>>63454726
>Now the series should be renamed Star Trek: The Ripley Chronicles.
That's a good idea.
Were the movies following Alien also about rape, guys?
>>63454906
>I'd rather see a retarded monster and this guy wouldn't so he must be young and has never seen the first film.
Nigger, Alien is my favorite film. I grew up with that shit, long before Prometheus was a fucking thing. When I saw that creature, I was curious, but imagining a giant monster like that alive always sounding ridiculous. It'd look like something out of Star Wars. So I always believed that it didn't have legs and was more of a weird creature that was formed into the ship.
Once Prometheus came along and we learned they were human-like, I thought it was a pretty good idea. I wasn't expecting it and it sounded better than the retarded alternative.
The creature design we see in the film worked perfectly as a Giger-esque dead thing. It was never intended to be shown alive, and so they did the best they could with it.
![o8gfab[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mmQN1L2.jpg "o8gfab[1].jpg")
>>63451740
>>63455117
Anon you forgot to not aim for the low hanging fruit and reply to my post telling me how in the fuck it wouldn't fit in tonally when it's designed quite similarly to the xenos
>>63455150
honestly, if it was that size I think it would just look silly, original design or prometheus.
all things considered, i think they made the right choice just making him 8 or something feet, because it at least gives some agency to the audience, in that it is presented as superior to us, but not in an over the top way that would detract from the tone.
though they really shouldn't of even tried to bring the Jockey to life, the minute something so ancient and forbidding moves it just looks silly and ruins the whole aura of mystery
>>63455150
He looks even bigger here.
>>63455253
Personally I think they should have just left them the fuck alone
>>63455150
>>63455294
Now look here. He's maybe ten feet tall.
>>63446569
You're a big guy!
>>63455294
>>63455361
>perspective is hard!
>>63455448
It's really not, but people are looking at the most extreme perspective >>63455294 and being butthurt that Prometheus retconned their height >>63446569
>>63455361
wow the empire must be ANT sized no wonder there's a rebel backlash
>>63455448
>>63455608
>correct someone for be fooled by perspective
>get told you're being fooled by perspective
>>63449180
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>>63451218
>>63452695
its obvious as shit that she'll show up halfway through the movie all rambo and save the day
>>63454746
is Alien Resurrection actually a 6.5? I love the rest (except Prometheus)
>>63455785
Depends on how much you care that it's a brightly lit sci-fi romp that doesn't feel anything like the other movies, personally I fucking hated it.
>>63454746
Alien 9/10
Aliens 8/10
Alien 3 6/10
Alien Resurrection: 3/10
AvP: 3/10
AvP2: 0.5/10
Prometheus: 6/10
Close
>>63451406
Their answers are shit
>stop asking so many questions you dont know what a plot hole really is!
>>63449828
I'm pretty sure they'd call it Paradise Regain'd.
>>63455294
those are child actors in this scene
>>63455848
>>63454746
Which cut of 3 are we talkin here?
I'd give the original a 6 but the Assembly Cut a solid 7.
>>63445973
>Alien Covenant
>not Alien Convent.
Truly missed opportunity.
>>63455840
sounds shit
>>63446254
Questions that don't need answering
Seeing the original space jockey was enough to inspire the feelings of ominous mystery. That the characters are out of their depth despite the banalty of their bureaucratic lives.
>>63446569
>obviously not a spacesuit in Alien
>Ridley Scott makes it a spacesuit anyway
What a fucking hack, I swear he doesn't understand the movies he makes.
>>63453363
David is an android and the original Space Jockey had a hole in his chest from a xenomorph, if anything it's Shaw
>Alien
Perfect movie in its own genre, great worldbuilding
10/10
>Aliens
Perfect movie in its own genre, great worldbuilding, a model sequel
10/10
>Alien 3
Unfortunately troubled, good low sci fi bad Alien sequel
6.7/10
>Alien: Ressurection
A campy Jason X-like sequel not for everyone's tastes, embarassing for a franchise this good
4/10
>Alien vs. Predator
Great setting, everything else is mediocre at best
3/10
>Aliens vs. Predator 2: Requiem
Horrible teen horror bullshit even if it introduces some new things
1/10
>Prometheus
Ok science fiction, bad as an Alien prequel thanks to the ruined space jockeys
6/10
Also I prefer the theatrical version for the first movie, director's cut for the second and the asssembly cut for the third.
>>63456035
>Alien Convent
>not Alien Orphanage
>>63456099
I'm okay with it being a spacesuit, since the xenomorph itself blurs the line between biology and machine. If the Space Jockey's do have a hand in the creation of the xenomorph, (or whatever goo in Prometheus) then they have this genetic technology.
If their organisms look like machines, then I want their technology to have a living component.
What I hate is using that spacesuit concept to make them tall and bald humans.
>>63451311
this
>>63456192
>Aliens
>10/10
>>63446569
I like to think there's a bigger jockey on their home world.
>>63456645
Of course it is. And it's wonderfully long.
>>63456219
>the xenomorph itself blurs the line between biology and machine
How so?
>>63453797
why the fuck did Hackjima devote so much time to saving "muh kids" anyway? Any time they showed up in a cutscene, I immediately skipped it.
>>63456192
Same except replace the Assembly cut for 3 with the theatrical.
>>63453797
>all that white water begging to turn red
>ends on the other side of the map with a chopper extraction in midst of gunfire
I don't even care anymore. I've moved beyond salt to complete indifference to anything Kojima or MGS related.
>>63455361
They used child actors in space suits.
>>63456894
It's made out of tubes n shit
HR Giger's style is often characterized as bio-mechanical. He's pretty open about mixing biology and machines, fear and sex
>>63456192
Same except Prometheus, a 7 for me
