At what point did he realize he was in over his head?
>>63398027
When based Sam Harris starting quoting stats and all he had were "muh feelings"
>>63398027
I think he, like a lot of hollywood elites, are trapped in a star bubble completely cut off from the rest of us. I think the same can be said about Billionaire CEOs or high Millions CEOs. They are completely out of touch from the majority.
They are no longer cultured, they are subcultured inside their bubbles.
>>63398027
When he thought he could take Superman.
He never did. His ego won't let him.
>>63398027
But he was right, it's a dirty kike device to demonize billions of people because of a few douchebags went into a murderous spree. I don't see anyone waging war on white murrikans for the San Bernardino shooting, or any of their other weekly shootings. I haven't seen people call americans a culture of murder and mental sickness who slaughter their young.
If these israeli propaganda flingers got their way, NATO would raze the whole of the middle east and give it to them, erasing islam from the face of the earth. Demonizing an entire faith is the kind of thing they've always done.
>>63398220
Nice try, Muhammad
>>63398248
Good work, Schlomo. Show us you jew gold, you piece of shit.
>>63398220
San Bernardino was 3 Muslims, m8.
>>63398220
True, in my humble opinion.
>>63398279
>its jews or muslims, goy!
i choose neither thank you
>>63398220
>I don't see anyone waging war on white murrikans for the San Bernardino shooting
This is how ignorant you have to be to have Ben's opinions
I don't blame Affleck, he's just an idiot Hollywood star who understands nothing of geopolitics and just wants to show people he "cares" about others when in reality nothing that happens East of Riverside, CA could be further from his mind. Some fucking cunts (Reza Aslan and Glenn Greenwald) got in Ben's ear before the taping of that Maher episode and told him that Harris was an anti-Muslim bigot and that if Islam came up he was to press Maher and Harris on it. Sam confirmed that later in a podcast, that there were media guys in the ear of Affleck in the Green Room going over talking points concerning Islam.
I like Ben, I may disagree with his nonsensical political views but he's a fine actor and an even better director. Gone Baby Gone is a truly great film and he deserves all the credit for it
>>63398220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPAwZkXcy_M
>>63398422
>just wants to show people he "cares" about others when in reality nothing that happens East of Riverside, CA could be further from his mind.
He really is an arab-sympathizing proto-muslim though
>>63398422
Nice sliding, Yidd.
In'sha allah brothers we will bring down these filthy infidels and bring Muhammeds (peace be upon him) dream true
>>63398027
But at what point was he wrong on his main point: we kill more of them than vice versa? The U.S kills civilians every day, people like you and me typing in this thread right now get bombs dropped on their heads for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not only that, many people blame the U.S and Britain for fomenting the political situation in the mideast which created these radicals who need to be bombed in the first place. Not even a muzzie lover this shit is just facts
>>63398574
>Muslims have been attacking Christian Europe for 1400 years
>Durr they only hate us because of George W. Bush
>>63398574
>people like you and me typing in this thread right now get bombs dropped on their heads for being in the wrong place at the wrong time
What the fuck are you talking about?
>many people blame the U.S and Britain for fomenting the political situation in the mideast which created these radicals who need to be bombed in the first place
That is because they are contrarian schizophrenics.
>>63398220
I have a degree in Religious Studies. Muslims are extremely fragmented and have never consolidated their religious texts. The Hadith literature is so massive it could fill the libarary of congress, and everything in its collection is considered sacred. Muslims have never had their own cannonization like Christians and Jews did with the Council of Nicaea in 325, or The Council of Trent in 1546. Futhermore, they lack a head to dictate to them what is the "true" message, like the Catholics or Mormans have.
In short, Islam is a bloody fucking fragmented mess. I was collecting research in Turkey this past summer and I witnessed a Muslim Cleric spouting Jihad killing on one side of a mosque and a Cleric talking of Peace and Love for all... The religion is a fragmented mess, capable of catering to a peaceful message, and ALSO caters to the "cosmic war" ideology of Jihad (See research from UCSB Sociologist Mark Jurgensmeyer: Terror in the Mind of God).
So no, you have a very romantic idea of Islam pretending it is a religion of peace. When you grow the fuck up, you will realize there is not such thing as a religion of peace, only a religion with the potential for peace or violence.
>>63398220
yeah, that's totally a Jewish thing. nevermind the fact that Catholics and Muslims have always done it TO Jews. repeat after me stormfront shills: da jooz da jooz da jooz da jooz!
>>63398601
idiot, I'm talking about the civilians in Syria right now who have been bombed and killed by Russian and U.S jets and drones.
reddit the thread
It's a black male thing alright?
>>63398636
You don't think IS should be fought?
>>63398480
not that anon and yes Sam Harris is based as fuck
>>63398614
>religion of peace or violence
You study religion and don't know this applies to all religion?
>>63398601
>What the fuck are you talking about?
Collateral damage
>That is because they are contrarian schizophrenics.
Because when innocents are killed in collateral damage, their families and friends become radicalized and blow themselves up to get revenge on the West.
There's no excusing terrorism or the Islamists fomenting it, but to say there's no rational reason for them hating the West is just wrong.
>>63398652
>We've killed more Muslims than they've killed us
This is such a retarded argument, us killing them does not make killing okay, both times its wrong
BEN OUT NOW
>>63398682
>projecting
Of course I do
>>63398614
Sounds fascinating m8, did not know that
>>63398408
And yet you fall for their plans and do exactly as they want, every time.
>>63398703
Which is why he's against the drone strikes
His meaning is a "Don't become the monsters you fight" one
>>63398220
>NATO would raze the whole of the middle east
>implying there is anything wrong with this
>>63398687
>Collateral damage
War is war.
>when innocents are killed in collateral damage, their families and friends become radicalized and blow themselves up to get revenge on the West.
That is a hackneyed, spurious hypothesis. I am bored of hearing it.
TAKBIR
>>63398715
>>63398715
wow religion really is for stupid fucks
>>63398675
not like this. I'm not a leftist but the smugness and sheer ignorance of my own people flummoxes me. "Hurr dem al kaydas and isises gettin what deys deserve pass dey cheeseburgers Mary-Anne!" a lot of stereotypes of Americans aren't true but political ignorance and doublethink is very real here
>>63398763
Maybe we could drop flowers and gumdrops on terrorists and terrorist sympathizers instead. Are gumdrops halal? Wouldn't want to offend anyone.
>>63398422
but harris is actually an anti-muslim bigot
>>63398687
If liberals weren't so detached from reality we could do a proper job of invading a country and these radical elements wouldn't be anything more than a joke fringe element like WBC
>>63398027
When Harris got sick of being called racist and fucked Bin up with facts.
>>63398652
Holy shit, he's right
>>63398748
If you are asking if I'm a Muslim? Fuck no, but I am an assistant professor in Sociology of Religion. Thus, if it's not obvious already, I study religion from a secular, sociological, and historical lens. I'm not a theologian, and have no desire to be.
>>63398790
>not like this
You either fight them or you don't.
>>63398715
>Britbongs
What a fucking disgrace that entire country is.
>>63398785
Hey reddit!
>>63398802
yeah ok buddy
he's been just as tough on American Christianity as Islam and people who think he's Islamophobic paint him as a friend of the Neo-cons so they don't generally know what they're talking about
>>63398652
>We kill too so it's ok that they do it
The point was that the faith itself has many blockades when we scream democracy and want equality of it, not that killing is bad.
>>63398051
>sam harris quoting stats
Thats rich
Harris rejects reality and substitutes absurd what if scenarios concocted to prove his point
>>63398715
but that is funny
it's like the guy who keeps putting the bible in the fiction section at borders
>>63398744
Unfortunately, not many do. If I tried to get a paper published in a academic journal discussing this, I would be blasted by peer reviews as being insensitive and inconclusive. Muslim theologians will never admit their own problem, and scholars fear PC backlash for staking a claim that the dangers of the religion come from its very own historical and theological development.
>>63398676
no, he's an incompetent hack and apologist for imperial aggression
>>63398614
I agree with everything you said but
>degree in Religious Studies
>Morman
>>63398614
Well thank God you're here!
>>63398899
I always hope that guy is a troll and doing it for laughs and not some militant atheist doing it because he's an edgy faggot. One is funny, the other is cringeworthy.
>>63398772
>War is war therefore it's okay to just nuke everything brah XDXD ;)
this is why everybody thought Macarthur was a fucking idiot
>>63398892
this. it's funny how he's presented in the media as an expert on Islam while his expertise only comes from reading the Quran
>>63398892
Both are analytics and therefore pseudo-intellectual, in my humble opinion.
>>63398652
>more than a billion Muslims don't subjugate women
Holy shit this guy is stupid.
>>63398939
War is war. Or maybe you have it all figured out. I somehow doubt it.
>>63398946
>Lets not discuss the actual bombing. Lets instead discuss this scenario I have concocted.
>They meant to do well, so its okay they killed tens of thousands of people.
>>63398104
Much like people on the Internet. The world isn't a liberal shithole, but liberal shitheads have enough pull to bring their insane shit to the world.
>>63398715
If the meat is wrapped in plastic it's not actually touching ffs
>>63398924
My point about Mormonism is that the head of the church speaks (or consults) directly with God and then discusses his revelation with the High Council. Yes, Mormons have always had some weird church hierarchy shit going on.
>>63398981
Nice sliding, Zyklon d'Israeli Goldstein of JIDF.
>>63398892
better start posting some examples there
>>63398027
>The firewall behind the forehead of liberal actor and Huma Abedin defender Ben Affleck was breached by Bill Maher and his guest. It was definitely red alert / all hands on deck inside Affleck’s cranium. Liberals are quite comfortable in the echo chamber of group think where all liberals are in lockstep but in this case, Affleck just couldn’t process the truth and was defensive right out of the gate.
>Maher was by far more right than Affleck but in order for him to make Affleck go into full meltdown mode, he and others will have to understand and explain the issue of stealth Muslim Brotherhood infiltration. Affleck is a victim of it, which might help to explain his high level of defensiveness. Back in 2012, he sang the praises of Abedin, referring to her as a ‘good friend’ who was ‘instrumental’ in the production of Affleck’s film ‘Argo’ that was shot inside the State Department.
>As reported in 2011, Abedin’s mother is a leader with the Muslim Sisterhood; Huma is an alleged stealth jihadist herself.
oops
>>63398939
>the purpose of war is not to kill people
Brilliant!
>>63398945
I can't keep track of all these fucking meme, you dip. But thanks for informing me.
>>63398925
...
>>63398867
>he's been just as tough on American Christianity
>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=151_1326985235
Why is he such a c u c k?
>>63398968
War. War never changes.
>>63398892
>>63398946
He's an expert on how Islam interacts with the rest of the peaceful world. He quotes relevant statistics on how Muslims report their ambivalence or passion for certain elements of their faith, and the facts indicate that the majority of the world's Muslims support killing apostates, the majority generally consider any speech against the Prophet Muhammad to be a punishable crime (the punishment generally differs but many believe in capital punishment for such an offense). He quotes how nonbelievers are treated in Muslim societies, how women are treated, how gays are treated, how different sects of Islam are treated in different places, and the conclusion comes that Islam is an extremely fragmented faith with just as much potential for violence as peace. Not every Muslim nation is a threat to International security, for instance the Indonesians generally keep to themselves and are only violent in intracontinental political disputes, but there are too many parts of the Muslim world that either directly participate in religious extremism or contribute to it financially or politically.
He doesn't need to be an expert on how the individual Hadiths are treated by the masses to see that.
>>63399000
I was just saying I'd expect a person with a degree in religious studies to spell Mormon correctly. I'm an Econ major and if I met another one who mispelled "Hayek" or something I would begin to question that person.
>>63399072
>Indonesians generally keep to themselves
tell that to the victims of the Bali bombings you retard
>>63399072
He writes trashy non-fiction sold at airports to be read by soccer moms. Stop referring to him as a relevant source.
>>63398938
this is the most autistic post i've seen in a while
kudos
>>63399072
>He doesn't need to be an expert on how the individual Hadiths are treated by the masses to see that.
Not even Hadith Scholars are experts on Hadith Literature. There is so much of it, you couldn't read it in a lifetime.
>>63398946
>while his expertise only comes from reading the Quran
Hmmm
>>63398796
Or you could just leave them alone you know
>>63398652
only fact here
>>63399117
Found the retarded militant atheist faggot.
>>63399072
He's an expert on being a bullshit artist.
He's an expert on rationalising western aggression
Just look at his inept response to the Sudan drug plant bombing.
Refused to discuss it.
Insisted on substituting what-if scenarios.
End of discussion.
>>63399102
>you can judge hundreds of millions of people based on a few people
>>63398968
>simplifying your thought process about war this much so you can delude your self into feeling comfortable about civilian casualties
kek
We should fight smarter. Learn to kill off enemies with MINIMUM causalities. We shouldn't be low IQ savages. Faggots like nixon and Macarthur never understood that.
>>63399037
Where in the fucking post did i say that you oblivious fucking retarded iphone poster. Get your ass in a GED class and learn to read you moran lmao
>>63399148
Leave IS alone?
They are invading other countries. The war isn't against the Syrian government, the Syrian government is fighting IS within Syrian boundaries as well.
>>63399086
Guy, I'm not submitting an academic paper for peer review, I'm posting on fucking 4chan. You sound like you have a romantic idea about how everyone in the ivory tower is suppose to communicate. When I'm not writing research, my spelling is fucked, and my passive voice is rampant; I don't give a fuck and neither should you in this setting.
>>63398422
Ben Affleck isn't an idiot. An idiot could not have accomplished what he has. Wrong choice of words.
http://strawpoll.me/6200480
>>63398129
Underrated post.
>>63398652
HE IS WRONG, BECAUSE, MURICA!
>>63399072
he is NOT an expert? what are his credentials other than reading the Quran? any idiot can pick some polls and shoehorn them into his narrative but he doesn't actually deal with anything of substance. his main argument boils down to : Islam is inherently violent, and the more you "take your religion seriously" the more likely you'll end up an extremist. what's his evidence? cherrypicked verses of the Quran and the Hadith and a few polls.
>>63399157
>Learn to kill off enemies with MINIMUM causalities
I agree but I do not claim to be an expert on military matters. If you think you are, then fine, but for all we know they had already done this to the greatest capacity possible. War is war.
>>63398652
>CIA_Rises_allegory.jpg
>>63399226
>Not having Bane as a choice
>fail
>>63398715
"Quality Haram"
>>63399155
>americans
>>63399271
its under meme religion with scientology and hinduism
>>63399142
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
>>63399206
Don't mind him. I appreciate your post.
>>63398614
>I have a degree in Religious Studies.
right where stopped reading
>>63398220
This. Sam Harris and Bill Maher are two utterly disgusting Zionist shills.
When he realized that he's on Bill Maher's show, where he uses his audience as a crutch when he runs into someone who doesn't agree with him.
>>63399205
>They are invading other countries.
Are they invading our country?
>>63399157
>get a GED
>moran
>>63399373
My other degree is a BS in Chemistry if that makes you feel any better.
>>63398220
>Implying erasing Islam off the face of the Earth is a bad thing
Get a load of this goy
>>63398220
There aren't billions of Muslims.
>>63398220
>Bernadino shooters
>white
Pick one you goat-fucking Pedophile worshipper
>>63398220
>Bernadino shooters
>white
Pick one Saeyed.
Pick one you goat-fucking Pedophile worshipper
>>63399553
I LOVE BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER
>>63398939
That's how you win a war though. You literally just kill everyone, regardless of their age, innocence, or gender. That's why these half-assed wars in the ME never accomplish anything. War is shitty and it should only be used as an absolute last resort when the bargaining process falls apart.
>>63399477
petulant child
>>63399553
>tfw I'm on mobile and I forgot if I posted or not
Embarrassing desu
>>63398220
people have no problem throwing whites Christian gun owners under the bus when one of them shoots up a school.
When a Muslim does something similar we cant offend them and classify them as dangerous even though theyre also on the war path in the middle, have been forever and are trying to spread out into the west
fair is fair mother fucker, you can have you cake and eat it too. Some people suck, when those people are outwardly being dicks all the time its fair to call them on their shit
>>63399585
i like memes too there funny
>>63399591
Oh, like you're doing now?
>fund muslim extremists for 60 years because of their incompatibility with communism.
>WAAAAHHHH why are so many muslims extremists in 2015!
>>63398027
when he put in down in frustration like a fucking child
>>63399435
The United States Government has a global hegemony and the ability to defend the borders of any and all States.
Why reduce the safety of humans on this earth to one particular chunk of land?
Keep in mind that the United States Government want global hegemony, so in doing that surely it is their responsibility to protect countries that can no longer protect themselves.
IS will grow if it is not fought and then it will reach Europe. Germany is forbidden by international law to have a large army.
The United States Government trades with these countries as well.
Your view is incredibly perverse and provincial.
Like saying parts of the army in Texas shouldn't defend California if a war broke out.
>>63399619
Contrarian schizophrenic detected.
>>63399631
>adults don't get frustrated
>>63399662
The US doesn't protect anyone you fucking naive shill
The drone campaign LITERALLY creates more terrorist than it destroys and the GOVERNMENT knows this
>>63398946
but that's exactly all you need to be an expert on the quran
Any dunecoon can proclaim himself a mufti based on his own interpretation of it.
>>63399702
So if we're not supposed to kill our enemy, what should we do?
>>63399702
>not aware of US military bases around the world.
>What is South Korea and US forces on the boarder...
>>63398785
Bonjour, my redditor friend
>>63399157
People like you are the reason the US is involved in so many conflicts around the world and why those places end up being perpetually unstable shit holes. Thanks, you globalist fuck. I'm sure your weapons manufacturing overlords are pleased.
http://youtu.be/lEeauLCOeXQ
>>63399702
>The drone campaign LITERALLY creates more terrorist than it destroys
This is purely hypothetical and I am getting bored of people saying it. People are not chemicals that react in a certain way in different situations. It is not a science and therefore please do not pretend it is a fact.
>The US doesn't protect anyone you fucking naive shill
They need to destroy IS or IS will invade any and all countries.
>>63399726
Nothing. There are already a bunch of countries capable handling it. What would have been a good idea was staying the fuck out of Iraq and not CREATING THE CONDITIONS that spawned ISIS.
>>63399762
Name one US military intervention that was purely for "protection" purposes. I'll wait.
Bill Maher is a contrarian faggot without a hint of intelligence. If you tell him that the sky is blue, he agrees. If you tell him that a religious person thinks the sky is blue, he will go into a tirade about why they're stupid for believe that it's blue.
>>63399702
pppfttt. Drone strikes don't fuel the ranks of ISIS son. The neo-liberal economic agenda and its discourse on US. foreign relations to back central dictatorship countries does. We turn a blind eye to them economically fucking over their people, and they do business with us (pic related)... Welcome to the 21st century.
"It's the economy stupid."
>>63399814
Name anything that anyone did ever for no ulterior motives.
>>63399814
The European theater of World War II
>>63399477
Anyone got a link to the sound version?
>>63399768
>le anti-intellectualism meme
Top post my friend ;)
>>63399844
Its very simple. If someone chooses to be part of a criminal organisation, you kill them. That way, there are as few criminal organisations as possible.
>>63399844
>Murica'
>Countries they never heard of or could point out on a map
>>63399612
Huh? Huh? Huh?
>>63398104
>>63398248
>>63398315
>>63398362
>>63398771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw
>>63399259
anyone could read the Old Testament and declare it a terrorist training manual
>>63399927
If you read my post in its totality (or understood it in its totality, which I doubt), the problem runs deeper (and is more dynamic) than anyone posting on here can fathom.
>>63399950
>>63399612
What, can you not talk to me?
>>63398998
A few years back we had a BBQ at my uni to try and get people to sign up for some engineering club or something like that. Some Muslim chick was in charge of it and had decided to cook normal snags, and shit that was "halal", which slowed down the cooking since they couldn't be cooked at the same time even though there was more than enough space on the grill plate. So here I come along and throw it on the plate next to it cause fuck it I'm hungry and I want food. So she tries to explain to me why it's halal and shit and I'm like "well it's in a different grill plate, good enough right?".
Her answer? "If you're wearing a rubber on your dick, and then some guy comes along and touches it, it's still gay right?".
They might be onto something there
>>63399986
Christians don't give two shits about the Old Testament
>>63400005
Bye!
>>63399810
It's not a hypothetical anything you pseudo intellectual asshat. The people who are actually involved in carrying out the bombings are the ones saying this.
>>63399844
See above. ISIS literally banks on the West indiscriminately bombing their countries so they can gain more followers. Everyone who is knowledgeable about the situation knows this. There was just a interview with one of their prisoners and he said the same thing.
>>63399884
I'll accept this. But the reason why Nazi Germany even got that far was that the US and Britain were perfectly fine with Hitler and his actions in the build up to WWII. They could have stopped him much earlier.
>>63400016
Use a trip and we will filter you with pleasure.
>>63400047
>ISIS literally banks on the West indiscriminately bombing their countries so they can gain more followers
You think that this is what is mostly done? Indiscriminate bombing?
And who gives a shit about what ISIS wants. If they want that miserable region to be glassed then so be it.
>>63399985
>mfw seeing this on facebook again
>and again and again and again
>>63399810
>This is purely hypothetical and I am getting bored of people saying it.
Yeah, those half dozen freshly orphaned kids and their families hold no resentment when a US missile comes out of the clear blue to kill a family member hey.
Radical imams definitely don't recruit those angry impressionable teens, indoctrinate them into thinking revenge isn't just right but its holy.
Sorry for boring you ;)
>>63400067
>b-b-but America was just protecting those countries from the bad guys!
Remember that time the CIA ran the Golden Triangle heroin trade to run the secret war in Laos?
Remember that time they got G.I.s hooked on horse and shipped it back home For Reasons of State?
Remember that time they laundered the money through a shonky bank in Australia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpoahXzt-lM
>>63400077
I'm not even that guy, I just wanted to post some memes up and down the street.
>>63400090
>Sorry for boring you
That is okay. I forgive you. Please refrain from doing it again in the future.
>>63400067
what was iran's role during and after ww2?
>>63400087
To be fair the first time I saw it was Facebook.
>>63398104
>they praise Jews
>LEL OUT OF TOUCH
>they praise Muslims
>LEL OUT OF TOUCH
Just admit you have a problem with anyone who isn't a white male
>>63399985
Ah yes, Aslan. I've read both his books (no god but God & Zealot) and met him personally at a conference at UCSB. He refuses to talk to anyone who disagrees with his opinion. Also, his Shi'ite chapter in his book was soft, and apologetic. He passes himself off like he is a religious scholar, but his sources/evidence are often old and lacking, his historiography is old, and never addresses critics through peer review. Also, he is not fully a secular scholar, he boarder lines between secular and theologian to a point that most sociologists and religious studies scholars have trouble taking him serious.
He is however, very skilled in creative writing, which is what he holds a degree in.
>>63400067
What about muh Jews?
>>63399142
>meme of islamophobia
Stopped reading there.
>>63399988
> the problem runs deeper (and is more dynamic) than anyone posting on here can fathom.
If you understand it then please explain, otherwise how could we possibly know that we truly do not understand?
No, you must have it all figured out [but aren't you also one of those people posting here? Then why are you supposedly the only one with the ability to understand?]
>>63400153
Jews look pretty white to me
>>63398652
>>63398652
Dude is fucking right you americans.
To the rest of the world your gov is a genocide because it bombs innocent people and call it collateral damage and fuck it.
You can kill because in God you trust.
I love the US for what it stands for, but God I hate your stupid ass gov.
>>63400084
Yes, go read the Drone Papers. They showed that drones are actually quite inaccurate and kill many more innocents than actual targets.
>And who gives a shit about what ISIS wants. If they want that miserable region to be glassed then so be it.
Right on, bro!
>>63400047
>See above
I didn't disagree buddy, I was simply pointing out there are BIGGER issues that drive the ranks of ISIS... If anything I am adding to your premise, but you are probably too stupid to understand my OC in its full context... what are you, an undergrad?
>>63399726
Not removing the leader for no reason in the first place?
>>63400047
>It's not a hypothetical anything you pseudo intellectual asshat
You are saying you can study economics like science such as chemistry?
I disagree.
>>63398839
>You either fight them or you don't.
What is this even supposed to mean? Bombing has clearly not worked, at fucking all. You bomb what you think is a bad guy, kill 5 other people, create 5 families of people who hate you. "We need to kill their families!" Trump says, to roaring applause. That will only serve to radicalize them further, and will prove you truly are the bad guy they were warned about.
Yes, fight them for fuck's sake. Just don't do it like a moron.
Remember that time the Executive Office and the National Security Council violated the Constitution and Congress and broke the law and organized an illegal Dirty War in Central America - one of only 4 going on at that time btw - against a state whose only crime was removing a 3 generation family dictatorship that had been in power since the 1930s
And remember how they worked with the Mendalin cartel to smuggle arms to this mercenary army of butchers?
Remember how the planes and boats returning would be coming back with Cocaine to be distributed in poor neighborhoods?
And William Casey specifically asked the Attorney General if he needed to inform him about CIA assets with drug connections and was told no it was perfectly fine?
And remember how they sold arms to Iran to help fund it?
And remember how nobody can say precisely when the sales began - was it in 1984 or 1981?
But they were so craven in their profiteering only a few million of the hundreds of millions they made got sent to them?
Remember that?
Good times, right.
>>63398715
>Classic Brit bantz
>>63400294
>that poster
>again
>>63398772
>That is a hackneyed, spurious hypothesis. I am bored of hearing it.
If someone killed your child or mother or sibling, would you not hate them forever? How is it a hypothesis when it's proven to be the case over and over again?
Is this a troll?
>>63400294
All of this was clearly to help prevent the peasant communists from taking over the world tho
>>63398772
>That is a hackneyed, spurious hypothesis. I am bored of hearing it.
so you're saying not one person gets angry about their family and friends being the victim of a drone strike hitting the wrong target or JSOC assaulting the wrong home?
That not one person decides to do something about their anger?
>>63400165
You should have asked if you could buck for him. His wife is qt
>>63400189
You want me to explain to you what neo-liberal economics is, in theory and practice, and how it has historically/directly effects US foreign policy? Jesus H. Christ do know how long that would take. I can recommend to you a few books to get you started if you'd like.
>>63399586
>That's how you win a war though. You literally just kill everyone, regardless of their age, innocence, or gender.
What? No. Fuck no. That's how you create animosity towards you, making whatever goal you're trying to achieve really fucking hard.
Unless your goal truly is genocide, in which case I guess indiscriminate is not just a means to an end, but the goal itself. If that's the case, you're not one bit better than the terrorists you hate.
>>63399264
>War is war.
What does this shit even mean? Are you trying to be poetic? Yes, genius, war happens to be war. Doesn't mean we should be stupid about it. Doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid committing needless atrocities. Just because "hurr war be war yo xD" doesn't mean that, say, having soldiers mass rape or torture civilians for fun during their spare time is okay. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be smart about how we attack our enemy. Doesn't mean we should abandon common sense and our humanity.
But I guess not being a blithering, drooling retard is too lofty when war happens to be war, as you are so fond of reminding us.
>>63400411
I didn't see his wife there. I talked to him about Professors we both know personally, like Mark Jurgensmeyer and Ninan Smart before he passed away. Then I talked to him about some other shit, not worth mentioning here, it will go over everyones head.
>>63399985
I thought you couldn't be gay and be a Muslim? Or is this Rezafag not Muslim, cause he definitely ain't straight?
>>63400020
>Her answer? "If you're wearing a rubber on your dick, and then some guy comes along and touches it, it's still gay right?".
It isn't, the fag that comes over and touches your dick probably is, but it doesn't make your pecker any less halal.
>>63400439
Was Truman right or wrong in his decision to nuke Japan in ww2?
>>63400496
Actually do go on. I'm guessing you're the Chem/Religious guy?
I'm Physics with an energy focus, and one of my good friends is a Middle Eastern Studiesfag.
>>63400521
I've read many articles supporting both viewpoints. A slight majority seems to say that the Japanese were on the verge of surrendering. Regardless, this is not just a fight over territory against a country. It's a fight that can very, very quickly turn ideological. There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. I don't believe we should endlessly placate them, but let's not piss in their faces needlessly (and I don't mean to say we shouldn't draw their prophet or criticise their religion).
Are you really arguing we should just indiscriminately slaughter everyone, everywhere, as a show of force?
>>63400572
>one of my good friends is a homicidal terrorist scumbag
ftfy no need to thank me
>>63398715
hahahahahahaha
thats absolutely based
gonna try that in my town
>>63400294
fuck commies
>>63400521
In my opinion cause I'm a peacefag, wrong. Luckily, between us crushing them definitively, and them having a highly centralized government in a homogenized society that was willing to acquiesce to our terms unilaterally, we were able to help them rebuild. Japan is one of our strongest allies to this day. So it worked out well.
Compare that to the splintered Islamic entities and you should (hopefully) realize it's a different can of worms.
>>63400384
>>63400687
>if you overthrow a tyranical dictatorship
>you're a commie
>>63400521
I have my doubts that a second bomb needed to be dropped.
>>63400742
Japan could have been a strong ally in 1941, familio
If FDR didn't need a casus belli to get into the war against europe.
>>63400742
It doesn't really make sense as an analogy anyway. The Japanese had an obvious home territory we could destroy. I can only think of Mekka for muslims, and once that's gone it's kind of gone. They'd most very likely get spurred to action rather than cowed. Muslims can't fucking wait to go full jihad - and every fucking scholar would agree that such shows of force were "attacks on the faith" (because they are), and would rally muslims - who take their religion really fucking seriously.
It'd be a bloodbath of absurd proportions. If the goal is to avoid casualties and radicalisation, extreme amounts of bombing, genocide, or, fuck forbid it, nukes are not the answer.
>>63400206
Blue eyes doesn't make someone white
>>63400662
No, that was the first time I posted ITT because of your immediate previous statement about how killing everyone immediately created animosity, making your end goals harder to acheive.
For years liberals made fun of the neoconservative position saying that their culture wasn't ready for democracy and trying to bring western values into the ME wasn't going to work. They've convinced me of that.
You either go full British colonialist in the ME, wasting valuable resources to do it. Or you make leave it alone and make sure they stay in it
>>63400930
So you're response is LEL DAT WAS NOT MEE
Come on. That's weak.
>>63400930
I don't believe it's full genocide retard/nukes or doing nothing, though what we did do obviously didn't work.
>>63400963
I wanted to explain where I was coming from. I thought the statement that killing everyone falls on its face when you look at historical examples, but go ahead and shitpost
>>63398027
Ben, you're just a pretty boy. Keep your opinions to yourself. Just be fap material like a good boy.
Whenever the mudslimes set off a dirty bomb somewhere that matters to the US, I think we'll see a lot of the bleeding-heart retards who stand up for them heel turning so fast they get windburned faces.
>>63400998
I'm shitposting?
You're trying to butt in and simultaneously separate yourself from the initial argument. You're the asshole.
>>63400910
Oh yeah, I know, and it pisses me off to no end. Instead we have them neutered when they could've been policing the Pacific. Things look like they're changing on that front though.
>>63400920
>every fucking scholar would agree that such shows of force were "attacks on the faith"
That'd be fucking miserable. The Islamic apologists are pretty bad as it is, but if something like that were to happen.
What the hell anyways, I thought we were moving away from God, what's up with the need to suck all this religious cock all of a sudden?
>>63399662
>German forbidden from having a large army
>This isn't true at all
>>63398771
>implying there is anything wrong with this
Right, shit would be so much better with Israel in charge of the zone. Get back into your oven, Schlomo.
>>63400971
British colonialist =/= genocide or nukes. You control the country as if it was your own and set up a regional gov. But the ME, and its inhabitants, have proven to be incompatible with western values.
Spreading democracy won't work
>>63401047
Germany and Japan are forbidden from developing a large army since WWII [technically WWI for Germany, but Hitler ignored the law]. This is what I have read.
>>63400208
good thing this isn't /pol/ so we can't see what third world country you're from
>>63400495
You evidently have it all figured out, so just bask in your own glory. You needn't share it with us.
>>63401039
Both of you can be wrong. But I only wanted to respond to
>BUT KILLING CIVILIANS NEVER WORKS AND YOU'LL ONLY CREATE MORE TERRORISTS
>>63400424
You should be able to summarise an argument.
If you can not do that, then you have not understood the relevant literature to a level that can be communicated to others.
Therefore, do not act superior.
You are also posting here, so do not degrade those who do so.
>>63401087
Germany is not forbidden and Japan was only unable to develop an army because of THEIR OWN WRITTEN constitution- which, if you can recall anything from the past months of your life, was re-written to allow them to deploy troops overseas, ergo their Self Defense Force is now an actual Army.
>>63399586
>That's how you win a war though. You literally just kill everyone, regardless of their age, innocence, or gender.
Only against cowards who use civilians as shield / camouflage. Conventional military targets such as factories and airfields are conventional for a reason.
>>63398652
>you know, black people, they shoot each other.
sounds about right
>>63401087
You must only read the fucking funny pages of your local news paper then.
>>63401121
You're an asshole too. You're trying to make yourself feel superior to both sides.
>>63401170
Calm yourself.
>>63401149
Said the faggot from a country who loses wars.
>>63401199
Face it. He blew you the fuck out.
>>63398614
>talking sense to angry NEETs
Youre wasting your energy, man.
Glad youre doing something related to the degree, I dated a dumb upper-class bitch who majored in RS and she wrote her thesis on "music as a secular religious experience" that was really just about her daddy issues with her musician father.
Every night I pray that she never smiles again.
Is there anyone here who actually thinks IS should just be left to its devices?
![tumblr_inline_nhto8nLUTx1shhsz2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A2fEdNC.jpg "tumblr_inline_nhto8nLUTx1shhsz2[1].jpg")
>>63398652
>Muh moderates
>>63398652
sorry but i dont care about that much about collateral damage when shitskins are shooting up my towns, bombing my cities, and slashing my subway systems. if it was white people id understand the hate towards me. but it isnt white people. its fucking muslims. remove the cancer tumor on this planet
>>63401256
I am going to read up on it in the future and see what is actually correct. I do not trust this website as a source of information.
>>63401138
Germany is forbidden. That's why they'd lose a war hard.
>>63401228
when you use women & children as your personal shielding, then you lose the ability to call others faggots
>>63401288
Next time come prepared with actual knowledge.
>>63401115
>You evidently have it all figured out
The fact that I don't want to do something as serious and heinous as war mindlessly just because "hurr war is war lmao xD" does not mean I'm this smug cunt that you're implying.
I just thought you should know exactly why you're a fucking moron. I hope you see it yourself.
>>63401294
Said the faggot from a country who loses wars. That's all I was ever talking about.
>>63401261
I do.
We should become an isolationist society with an impenetrable border and focus on tech development. In 30 years we return with new technologies the world would consider magic.
Wall optional.
>>63401330
cool story, fareek zimbabwe
>>63401259
>thesis on "music as a secular religious experience"
Christ that sounds contrived as FUCK.
>>63401344
Said the faggot from the country who loses wars. Don't talk shit if you can't back it up.
>>63401265
How the hell did they accurately survey over a billion people?
>>63401261
Yep. They are surrounded by Muslim countries. If "Moderate" Muslims truly disagree with what they're doing they should be able to deal with it no problem.
>>63400208
>To the rest of the world your gov is a genocide because it bombs innocent people and call it collateral damage and fuck it.
The rest of the fucking world does shit like that too. nobody's hands are clean.
>>63400572
I asked him about various Mediterranean cults existing around the 7th and 8th centuries and how their doctrinal connections correlated with some research on Zoroastrian diffusion, and how parts of this diffusion found its way into specific early 9th century muslim scrolls. It wasn't a bad conversation, but the answer he gave me, made me realize he was not up-to-date on the historiography in certain academic fields. In short, he is a limited scholar.
>one of my good friends is a Middle Eastern Studiesfag.
Ew. That is not my chosen happy place, but whatever, everyones got their gig. I personally focus on Theory and Contemporary American Religions (including cults).
>>63401259
>Glad youre doing something related to the degree, I dated a dumb upper-class bitch who majored in RS and she wrote her thesis on "music as a secular religious experience" that was really just about her daddy issues with her musician father.
I have heard of bullshit like this; it's disgusting that a panel of professors would even consider signing off on something like that (it contributes nothing to the academic field).
For my thesis, I created an entire new sociological theory of religion. I was given the Outstanding Master's Thesis Award for that years masters graduates. University education is whatever the fuck you make of it/put into it.
>>63401357
Don't post if you can't express your thoughts using proper English, Fareek.
>>63401364
Dedication. Something that is outside what you can even fathom.
>>63401378
What happens when they grow large enough to attack Europe?
>>63401286
this :(
>>63401391
That's all you have? Some vague insult about grammar?
That's because you're a faggot from some country who loses wars.
>>63398220
>demonize billions of people
No on was doing that, Ben was so desperate to defend the poor muslims that he didn't even understand what Sam was saying.
>>63401338
What a provincial perverse view of the world.
>>63401412
If they start making gains in Turkey we can talk, until then let the other Muslims sort it out.
>>63401414
>>63401286
Collateral damage ensures further radicalisation. Unless you have a magic button that instantly poofs all 1.6 billion muslims out of existence, you're shit out of luck and have to beat them ideologically.
>>63401385
>Zoroastrian diffusion
I've actually heard a little bit about that. It would be neat to study all the philosophical/religious influences that got pulled into the the Islamic thought pool.
>>63401431
cool story fareek
>>63401454
>what is deportation?
>>63398785
Pic related its you donning your fedora
>>63401259
>argument from authority
I honestly doubt you went past dropping out of high school.
