Why is this show so based? and why aren't there more shows like thisthat are actually good?
Post Atia nudes
>>63392417
too pollitically incorrect and not enough female reivindication.
also the main arc is the friendship between too men and that is not edgy enough for modern audiences,the protagonist has to be a vampire or a tortured sorcerer or something.
>>63392417
To be honest they picked up the most interesting moment in Roman history. Some writers may equal the excitement but the shit we had had like Game of Plebs isn't going to turn out sublime no matter how good the director and production value.
Also best choices in girls and camera angles.
Not to forget the newsman.
Because it accurately depicts the culture of the time without getting politically correct or shying away from the nastier parts of roman and ancient society. It was great how you'd continue to root for pullo, atia etc even after they had done horrible things like kill a slave out of rage or order her daughter's lover to be murdered
Not to mention it was one of the most expensive shows ever RIP
>>63392417
>tfw you will never fuck Polly Walker
>>63392825
more expensive than game of plebs?
>>63392825
that is irrelevant, as it would mean that most money makes the best show. which is totally untrue.
>>63392417
Atia, literally top.
>>63392417
Because John Fucking Milius, that's why.
>>63392937
she's always had a perverse fascination with goatish little men
>>63392417
Because people liked the fucking spartacus shit more. People are the reason we cant have nice things. You should know that by now.
>watching your own mother get fucked
>>63392528
Borgia was the better show desu. And her. hnnngggg
>>63392635
The depiction of Augustus was spot on. Dude was a goddamned genius with just enough evil to be entertaining.
Caesar was also amazing. "I did not know he existed until he didn't." is an amazing line.
>>63393222
>Borgia was the better show
take your trips and shove it up your arse
>>63392417
PULLO, GET BACK IN FORMATION
>>63392417
DOES AMY POEHLER GET NAKED THO?
>>63392417
She's 50 years old and still hot as fuck hnnnngg
>>63393250
It was. In every conceivable way. Go watch Scream Queens or something along those lines. Might be easier for you to keep up.
would you fuck your own sister if she looked like this?
>>63392939
Yes. Rome's first season cost $120 million to make, Game of Thrones' first season cost about $60 million
Rome was co-financed by the BBC and after they pulled out, HBO decided the show wasn't worth it and canceled it. The show was by no means a ratings failure for HBO, just not enough of a success to justify the extravagant budget. Game of thrones' budget has increased over the years but they're pretty much the biggest show on TV right now so HBO is more willing to cough up the cash.
>>63393298
Without question. Shame she dropped off the face of the earth after this.
>>63392528
This, I rarely rewatch shows but I'll rewatch The Borgias at every opportunity.
>tfw no plump face qt gf
>>63393222
>Borgia was the better show
I tried Borgia, ended up being greeted by half the cast of Game of Thrones and a bunch of horribly miscast people with illusion-breaking American accents.
Literally the only thing Borgia seems to have on The Borgias is that it's still going.
>>63393298
Those lesbian scenes between her and that crazy old bitch are so great. She's one of my waifus, Kerry Condon
>>63393163
I came here to post this. Good man.
>>63393308
>co-financed by the BBC and after they pulled out
I hate that I have to fund these cunts. The only worthwhile thing they do are nature documentaries.
>>63393340
>>63393222
do Borgia fags only watch it because they're kissless virgins and haven't discovered real porn yet?
>>63393345
Can't argue with the accents. And it wasn't even just american. There were like 7 different accent going on between people who were all supposed to be related. If you can get past that though, it is the better show
>>63393345
>>63393399
The show isn't going anymore.
>>63393308
In all the vids I've seen, the BBC never pulls out
>>63393383
Which Borgias are you on about? The good one with Jeremy Irons or the shit one?
wtf is this? which one should I watch?
>>63393222
This is the superior Borgia but John Doman is so fucking bad
>>63393510
Left one
>>63393510
They're both good but Borgia is better than The Borgias, it's hard to get over how miscast John Doman is though when he talks like a fucking cowboy
>>63393558
and why is Borgia better than the Borgias?
>>63393351
I fapped countless times to that scenes
>>63393477
>>63393399
I can't make the transition to Borgia. Jeremy Irons and Julian Bleach absolutely make the show for me. I'm rewatching it with my girlfriend and she apparently has a thing for Cardinal Sforza.
I'm being tv-keked by a Sforza.
>>63393510
Left one. You'll feel dirty if you try to watch Borgia after you've seen The Borgias.
>>63393550
why? this guy says the opposite: >>63393558
>mfw this thread
>>63393602
>Left one. You'll feel dirty if you try to watch Borgia after you've seen The Borgias.
why? explain this.
>>63393608
>Better cast
>Rodrigo doesn't sound like a crime boss from New York
>The actress who plays Lucrezia is far more qt
>Writing is better
>Jeremy fucking Irons
Watch both by all means but you'll regret watching Borgia before The Borgias
>>63393646
It's not a bad show but it feels extremely amateur and almost soulless once you've been reasonably invested in The Borgias.
One feels like a historical show primarily meant to entertain and the other feels like a history programme primarily meant to educate.
But that's my opinion, evidently some people prefer Borgia.
The Borgias is one of the comfiest shows ever, but Borgia is more historically accurate.
>>63393580
>>63393608
The Borgias is a big budget american show. It is much nicer to look at it but it's not as historically accurate for better or worse. They also glamorous the period much more, while Borgia is really gritty and at times hard to watch as a result.There's more titties but also more violence and torture and such.
It's basically pleb vs patrician
>>63393757
>Rodrigo doesn't sound like a crime boss from New York
This
It was fucking jarring to me when I tried Borgia.
Going from Jeremy Irons to John Doman was someone I did not emotionally prepare myself for.
>>63393817
*something
STRAWPOLL
http://strawpoll.me/6199359
>>63393366
Thanks.
Milius might be a walking fucking punchline, but goddamn he is a no shit entertainment machine. Like, damn.
Even Purefoy was badass in that show. Hell, ESPECIALLY Purefoy was badass in that show. Beating the shit out of the guy delivering Cicero's flamescroll was classic. Fucking the shepherd girl beside the road and shouting "WOOHAAA!!!!!!" as he walked back to the formation was hilarious.
I however do not suggest announcing "I will not leave this bed until I have fucked someone!" while your wife is trying to get you to go to her family reunion. Bitch threw the cat at me.
who is this king jew?
>>63393451
>>63393962
Speilberg.
>>63393960
>Even Purefoy
stfu about the best character of that show.at least top 3
>>63393163
>John Milius
I'm not joking, I don't know who that is. I am now watching season 2 of Romefor the first time everand I fucking love it. What else has this Milius made that is as good asor even better thanRome?
>>63394007
No. 1 for sure. Dude stole every single scene.
http://strawpoll.me/6199359/r
it is settled.
>>63394007
I was referring more to his career since.
Antony was my favorite character and had the best quotes.
> "What's happening?"
> stares at huge cloud of dust concealing tens of thousands of dudes slaughtering each other, takes bite of apple
> "I have no idea."
Goddamn, pissing in Cicero's potted plant... cutting Quintus' throat right after pledging peace to Brutus... calling Octavian "that frog-spawned homonculus".... literally every single minute he was on screen was awesome.
>>63392417
>HE WAS THE CONSOLE OF ROME!
What did he mean by this?
>>63394295
>takes bite of apple
bread
>>63393248
Incorrect.
Augustus was a stupid cunt.
>>63394301
he means that you should shove your memes up your arse and go kill yourself.
>>63394295
That death scene was great. Motherfucker died Roman.
>>63393248
>>63394410
>Augustus
he was neither, he was just bland, barely there, the younger version of his was better imo. Overall, he portrait Augustus as a silent autistic intellectual.
>be the most powerful man in Rome
>ask THIS for marriage
>>63394410
Are you shitting me?
Augustus was fucking terrible militarily, which is why he had guys like Agrippa there to fight his battles and manage his armies. Fiscally, he was alright. It was kind of hard to fuck up an empire that stood more or less uncontested for ownership of the Mediterranean and most of Europe, but he at least avoided that.
But politically? Politically, Augustus was a god. He played people like Minnesota Fats did billiards. He almost never made a wrong political move and when he did, he came out on top every single fucking time anyway. And he was not a likeable guy. Caesar was a likeable guy. Augustus was a creepy fucker. But he still pulled off some amazing shit. That whole line about finding Rome brick and leaving it marble? Shit was dead on. If it hadn't been for him, the Medieval period would have kicked off a fee centuries early.
>>63394572
He married her for her family's political clout though. The historical Augustus also fucked the wives of every senator, so I dont think he cared.
>>63394572
You saw her body, right? The girl might have been a goddamned two-bagger who could eat corn through a picket fence, but she was built like a brick shithouse.
In reality, Livia was at least as smart as Augustus and they made an amazing political team.
>>63394525
Augustus probably would be labeled as a very high functioning Aspie today. Read Suetonius. Even the people who liked him thought he was an odd fucker. And he really was socially very uncomfortable. But he knew how to anticipate literally every move his political enemies were going to make even before they did. And that, plus a metric fuckton of money, is pretty much a recipe for success.
Q_Q
>>63394666
> fucked the wives of every senator
There's a modern theory on this (kindasorta built on contemporary Roman texts) that this was a very carefully constructed political ruse.
Augustus lived in a time and culture were men were expected to be licentious, fuckhappy bastards. And when he was younger, he had a reputation for not being that kind of guy. He didn't ride, couldn't fight and was waaay too cerebral for most of Roman society to really respect. He was, well, a fucking Aspie weirdo who had not a manly bone in his sickly little body. And people, especially the plebians, noticed that shit. So suddenly, the guy who was essentially seen as an asexual geek has these rumors floating around about him fucking the wives of politicians who were possibly aligning against him.
Now, that's pretty rude for Patrician society, but the Plebs probably ate that shit up. And being a rumor, it both kekolded his enemies and was perfectly deniable. And it made him look manlier to the plebs.
Wheels within wheels, baby.
>>63394572
definition of butterface
>>63395001
Fuck, I wish we got to see the rest of the Julio-Claudian story play out. It would have put Rome's GOAT status way beyond question.
>>63394629
No m8. He was an idiot.
>>63395094
No shit, dude. Just a few seasons chronicling Augustus as Imperator would have been great.
>>63395170
Nice argument.
>I will beat you not because you have offended me, but because it gives me sexual pleasure.
what a fagget
Look at the fucking state of you /tv/
>>63395471
>>63395347
>>63395170
>>63394572
>>63394471
>>63394410
This much samefagging.
Your Australian is showing.
>Mark in the light
>Caesar in the dark
>This is the last time they spoke as friends
atia was the hottest woman on this show
>>63395530
fuck off aspie
>>63392462
>Not edgy enough.
It was pretty edgy. Especially Pullo.
>Antony horse faced Cleo over this
>>63392417
I was very hit and miss with this show at the start. I only watched it because /twg/ wouldn't stop going on about it. First few episodes were a bit odd, some jarring cuts and it felt poorly put together and edited. Had moments but just kept going.
By the end of the show I was loving it and really enjoying myself, and Pullo and Vorenus.
I reckon that if you're not pushing yourself to watch it and not trying to enjoy it, then the way it is probably works against it. Maybe the reason why it was cut because it just can't compete with stuff like Game of Thrones on the sheer scale of it.
>>63395581
Someone wasn't paying attention.
>/tv/ recommends me a show.
>The protagonist is a kekold.
Every time.
>>63395650
I want to shoot a thick load over polly walker's big fat massive tits
The weight gain in the second season made them even bigger
>>63395725
>>63395581
>>63395725
hahaha are you fucking joking
>>63395744
But there was a duo, and Pulla was based enough to balance it out
>>63392417
>rome
>based
true /sp/leb talking, easy to spot
>>63395744
Caesar also got keked by Pullo.
>>63395826
lucius is a kek and Pullo is a buck
>>63395725
she was made for the dick
>that rough sex after the fight
damn
Why did season 1 have to end?
>no Caesar
>no Pompey
>barely any Cicero
>>63395650
You missed the point.
Being with Atia had virtually no political upside. She was mother of his greatest potential rival. She was also beyond childbearing age. So marrying her would have stuck him in a serious strategic hole. Divorcing her would have been seen as a slight against Octavian and would be used as political ammunition against him while at the same time issuing no heirs and little if any claim on the future Julian dynasty should Octavian die or get killed. Now, he did (irl and in the show) marry Octavia, but at least that produced heirs.
On the other hand, marrying Cleopatra gave Antony power over Egypt, which was the primary source of grain for Rome. It also gave him at shit ton of money. It would be like a modern ruler marrying a woman who owned the entire middle east. And even contemporary accounts said Cleopatra was kind of ugly but very, very charming. She was a seriously smart lady and was incredibly good at bedding powerful men.
If he hadn't been going up against Octavian and wasn't a drunken beast, Antony could have at least split the empire, if not slowly taken it outright. He just had the misfortune of running up against a political genius and being kind of an idiot.
>>63392635
>implying Punic Wars and Marius v. Sulla wouldn't have been great to watch too, or even the brothers Grachii
>>63393308
You also forgot to mention that the show more than recouped those colossal costs with its great home video sales but the sets had already been destroyed by that point.
>>63396090
I stopped watching after caesar died, because I thought "wtf are they gonna do to keep this show interesting with caesar dead"
Watching season 2 now, it's even better than 1.
>>63396263
>Season 2 better than 1
>>63395777
She was a Gaul.
>>63396313
honestly, it is. Season 1 was great because of Caesar, but the story leaned to much on him alone. Season 2 has a lot more going for it. So seeing season 2 after already have seen the great season 1 with the great character of caesar, is just a joy.
>>63396341
Pullo said she was from "beyond the Rhine"
>>63396166
> Sulla
Oh my fucking God, this. Sulla was a beast. And he went on campaign with a transvestite actor fucktoy and....
Nobody.
Said.
A.
Word.
Sulla was one of the flat out scariest people to have ever wielded any appreciable amount of political power in any culture in history. Even his epitaph was epic.
> No enemy ever wronged me and no friend ever aided me whom I have not repaid in full.
>>63396341
She was German.
Interestingly enough, the actress who played Eirene is actually a Roman.
>Ywn conquer Gaul under Caesar and bring back a slave as a fucktoy when your wife bleeds during the fullmoon
>>63396450
>the actress who played Eirene is actually a Roman.
>a Roman.
>2005
>Roman
"beyond the Rhine" =/= German
>>63396493
I think someone from the city of Rome could called a Roman
>>63396493
Roman as in she was born in the city of Rome, moron.
>>63396493
You should probably go now.
There are a couple of Abos huffing the petrol they siphoned out of your car. Join them.
>>63396388
>implying Pompey wasn't great too
>>63394301
>console
>>63396685
sure, but not when in the same scene as Caesar. Season 2 has a lot of great characters and stories going on.
I want to inject my seed in this
>>63396685
Pompey was kind of the last remotely moral person left in the Senate. He literally believed that the Republic was a sacred thing and that it should be protected for its own sake.
Everyone else just fist-fucked it for whatever they could grab.
>>63396821
I think you mean Cato, he hated bribery and spent a lot of his career trying to root out bribery, he was extremely moral in general, where as Pompey once said "If Sulla could, why can't I" (In regard to marching on Rome)
Does anyone have a webm of this scene?
>>63395725
>rbf
No.
>>63396902
Fug
>>63396765
Strange, she's super fucking hot in Rome but in everything else she looks like a plain jane.
>>63396873
Shit. You're right.
Pompey was still a pretty moral guy.
>>63397020
yet he died a coward
muh dick
>>63397007
She is plain. So was Cleopatra in real life. The contemporary accounts of her boiled down to "Not hot, but really smart and probably has a pussy like a bench vise.".
>>63396902
>fertile but not fat
>>63397091
>implying anything of official history is accurate
>all these replies about what show is the best
>not a single mention of The Tudors
The Tudors > Game of Plebs > Balls or whatever fucking show you niggers are talking about
The Tudors was fucking GOAT.
>>63397137
she only had one eye?
>Refuses a truce
>What now
What did he mean by this?
>>63393340
>tfw no qt little sis to share a bond more pure and all-consuming as the love of god
quietus when
>>63397195
>GOT ever in any universe being good, let alone being better than Rome
>>63397195
>The Tudors
Eat my shit, pleb. Judging by your taste in tv, there's a chance you'll enjoy it.
>>63397091
She might be plain in real life, but the costume designers, make-up artists and hairstylists in Rome transformed her into one hot little minx.
>>63397054
> fought on as his allies deserted him and his army was destroyed
> went to Egypt with the intent of raising another army and getting back in the fight
> got stabbed to death as he was exiting the boat
> died a coward
It's like you're actively trying to be wrong at this point.
>>63397223
>tfw the show pushed the incest meme
>>63397223
Whether it's a better show or not, the Borgia chick is hotter.
>>63397137
That's... that's not fucking Cleopatra, you gigantic fucking idiot.
Shitpost elsewhere. We are full.
>>63397284
We were full before you got here. Both of you kindly fuck off.
John Milius
>>63397229
GoT is descent at the very best. Rome is a million times better than GOT. I never said it was better tard. But Tudors is infinitely better than Rome, GoT and all these other shit shows being mentioned.
>>63397248
Didn't read, suck my dick.
>>63397320
Robert Paulson
>>63397257
>flees
>gets found out
> got stabbed to death as he was exiting the boat
yet Caesar got stapped to death 27 times, by his so called friends. In a place more shameful and disrespectful than any.
>>63397259
>>63397223
Wasn't Rodrigo the one who allegedly wanted to fuck Lucretia, not Cesare, or am I just misremembering? I guess Brother/Sister is more palatable than Father/Daughter and "We want the Game of Thrones audience."
>>63395863
>rome
>not based
true /sp/leb talking, easy to spot
>>63397339
>Tudors
Couldn't get into it, first several episodes felt more like a soap opera than an epic drama a la Rome. Does it get better?
>>63397339
>Didn't read, suck my dick.
Of course you didn't. No one expected you to. We pretty much know all we need to. The fucking Tudors.
>>63397284
contain your autism, retard. I never said that was Cleopatra, that's supposed to beNefertiti, but I meant that that statue wasn't accurate either.
>>63397212
Pompey could have surrendered at any time and would almost certainly have been allowed to live by Caesar. If not resume his post as consul. Killing Pompey would have been a political disaster on Caesar's part and leaving him alive but in exile would have been inviting his allies to raise an army against him. So Pompey knew that if he just went back to Caesar, it would have been as if the entire war had not even happened.
But Pompey legitimately believed that his duty as consul demanded that he fight Caesar as long as Caesar still held power illegally. So when he says "What now?" he was asking himself how he could get back into the fight with most of his allies having deserted him and his army dead.
>>63397259
incest is the patrician fetish
>>63394877
god damn best fucking girl
poor pullo
>>63397456
>But Pompey legitimately believed that his duty as consul demanded that he fight Caesar as long as Caesar still held power illegally.
He wanted power just as much as Caesar did, he just wasn't as smart as Caesar
>>63397481
so does borgias have a lot of incest pandering or not?
i need to know before watching it
>>63397339
>The Tudors
What are you going to recommend next anon? Downton Abbey?
>>63392528
Y IS MACHIAVELLI SO BASED
>>63393308
yeah this is like with studio 60 on the sunset strip + 30 rock
studio 60 was the critical darling and had WAY better ratings than 30 rock, and literally 30 rock people thought they were getting canceled
but studio 60 got canned because it was more expensive to make
>>63397417
Considering that you can trace familial facial structures over generations by analyzing that family's official statues and death masks, yeah... they're either accurate or somebody was digging up mummies to copy their funeral masks generations down the road.
Also, look at the coins minted during Cleopatra's reign. Bitch was ugly.
>>63397530
I recommend just reading the Borgia comic by Jodorowsky and Manara. It has more incest and general depravity than any TV series could possibly include, if that's what interests you specifically.
>>63397530
it's simply a beautiful wholesome love story about a brother and sister
>>63397481
>incest
I shall download and watch this show as soon as possible then
>>63397406
Pleb detected. If all you care about is MUH ACTION MUH SWORD RPG then just stick to Game of Plebs and the like. It gets infinitely better but it's not a capeshit action flick.
>>63397411
Still didn't read.
>>63397519
this, pompey fags need to stfu
>>63397519
He could have pulled the plug on the entire war and gone right back to his life in Rome. Instead, Pompey keeps fighting even when it was obvious to everybody including him that he was totally fucked. That's not a lust for power.
He was either the most pathologically stubborn human being in history or he had a serious bug up his ass to keep fighting for what he felt was right. The guy went down swinging even after everybody supporting him had left for the other side. That's pretty noble.
But yeah... kind of stupid. I'll give you that.
>>63397725
tudors a shit
>>63397774
>That's not a lust for power.
ego.
>>63393376
I don't live there, but BBC World News is a spectacular news show and damn near the only worthwhile international reporting you can listen to in the US
>>63394155
70s Hollywood is pretty much littered with the great works of Milius.
Dillinger
Apocalypse Now
Dirty Harry
Conan the Barbarian
Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean
Jeremiah Johnson
Wind and the Lion
Hunt for the Red October
As a screenwriter, he's top notch.
>>63397725
>likes the tudors
>calls others plebs
/tv/ ladies and gentlemen
>>63393558
doesn't that kind of help tho, like doesn't everyone treaet the borgias like they're some dumb hicks from portugal or something, they even whisper about it actually being a jew family
>>63397725
>didnt read
>obviously did
gg cunt. stay mad.
>>63395725
That one aggressive sex scene still gives me the chubs. Good choice.
>>63397811
Going to a bunch of cat-worshipping Egyptians and essentially begging for an army is not ego.
>>63397725
>Pleb detected.
I was just giving an honest opinion and asking a question and this is what I get? Honestly, you sound like an utter faggot. Definitely not watching any show you recommend.
>>63397846
>bbc worship on /tv/
I thought they were banning for this now
>>63397929
it is because the ego cares about what the romans think, not what the egyptians think.
>>63397908
Yeah, Gaia getting railed from behind on a table littered with broken glass was hot by any standard.
Poor OP just wanted to talk about Rome. Instantly became about The Borgias/Borgia with a Tudor shitposter to boot
>>63397811
And Pompey had it by the fucking truckload.
>>63394301
>>63396704
Someone please for the love of god rework this meme with caesar's face.
>>63398004
Nah
>>63398004
fuck off to reddit with this shit
>>63397935
>being this much of an emotional faggot that one word reduces you to a crying sopping pussy
You shouldn't have watched that shit show anyway, but jesus yu really do sound like a faggot.
>>63397966
The Romans basically despised the Egyptians as hedonistic heathens who were too busy worshipping animals, getting shit-hammered on opium and fucking hemaphrodites to maintain their own empire. To the Romans, Egypt was an object lesson in how not to behave as a society.
Pompey went to Egypt last because it was literally the last place he wanted to go after having expended or flat out losing every other available option. He probably had to swallow his pride just to consider that shit.
>>63397981
Of course he did. Nobody who has ever led an army hasn't. Ego is a basic requirement when ordering people to die for you.
>>63398087
Romans were savages and thought that every non-roman was a barbarian
>>63396417
you're in Rome with your senate this frightening motherfucker crosses the Rubicon
what do you do?
>>63398145
Even by Roman standards, Pompeius' ego was off the charts. He spent his entire career trying to accumulate accolades and acclaim regardless of the cost. He didn't seem to care much about his duty to the Roman state which even men like Caesar took seriously. It's evident by how many times Pompeius switched allegiances and changed his ideology to whatever cadre best suited his chance to achieve greater recognition.
>tfw no egyptian qt3.14 queen waifu
>>63398186
Either agree with him or fucking run until you run out of planet.
>>63398084
>shitposts instead of actually contributing to the discussion
>accusing other people of being faggots
Oh the irony
>>63398145
Right, but what I'm saying is that he was vain, even for a general. I'm not a historian, but I always got the impression that he was in it for the image.
>>63398205
this. fuck pompeii
>>63398232
The fact that you think what's going on here is a discussion shows that you are truly, terrifyingly, ignorant.
>>63396417
Sulla is my favorite Roman. I sometimes think about HBO doing a miniseries on him, and it makes me hard.
>>63398186
forgot pic
>>63398292
>Sulla is my favorite Roman
New times has always been my favorite
Pompey was great on the show, he had so many excellent scenes/lines
>Tell them... that the decisive battle... begins today
of course they follow that with the ultimate "it's fucking nothing" battle scene, but still
>>63398338
Epic my reddit friend
>>63398338
Was that a font joke?
>>63398292
Sulla was an interesting man. I never considered him to be particularly evil -- just very efficient in his ruthlessness. Marius, his rival, was no less brutal in his proscriptions and his pursuit of power. Hell, he was probably worse.
Sulla felt a duty to protect the optimates and the Senate, whereas Marius only wanted greater renown and was willing to obliterate the state to achieve his aims.
There's no doubt that Sulla at the head of an army is a terrifying prospect, though. He was never defeated in battle and his opponents knew that if they did anything remotely shady, he would deal with them without mercy.
>>63398324
Pull my gat cause as long as I'm Compton, California I could never go soft, I'm hard as a motherfucking ounce of raw
>>63398382
>ounce of raw
...raw what?
>>63398343
>>63398368
I wanted to see if I could make the single most Reddit post ever. How'd I do? Feel kinda dirty now to be honest.
>>63398400
You did great, now drink a bottle of bleach to clean yourself.
>>63398338
fuck off back to reddit, seriously
>>63398324
Sulla's got a mean mug, but he ain't got shit on Agrippa in terms of looking hard.
All it takes is one look at Agrippa for anyone to understand why Augustus' reign was so peaceful on the civil side.
>>63398369
Sulla was a god among men
>>63398423
I think I did it!!>>63398424
>>63398399
>he doesn't know what an ounce of raw is
Hello Reddit!
>>63398399_cum_
>>63398400
>I was merely pretending
fuck off retard, no one believes you
>>63398457
Don't believe me. I don't give a shit. I'm fucking making history.
>>63398439
>12
Holy Christ
>>63398439
>credit a single man for a battle among thousands
>>63398485
A great commander makes or great a battle, he controls the soldiers, controls their training and moral, and leads the battle
>>63398485
Sulla kind of pioneered the concept of his troops being more loyal to him than the republic, to be fair. No historian disputes his prowess as a commander or how much his men loved him.
They marched on Rome for Sulla /twice/ in a time where such things were entirely unheard of.
>>63398473
This. He's a smart and handsome boy, leave him alone.
>>63398545
He didn't pioneer that, he was just the first to profit from it.
...in fact, weren't those reforms pushed through by his rivals? That sure fucking backfired.
>>63398565
Populares tended to be retarded
>>63398565
Not exactly. Marius/Rufus made the army professional and greatly enhanced its internal structure but it was Sulla that was at the forefront of securing an army's personal loyalties to the point of their being willing to openly march on Rome and against the ruling government.
If Marius would've been a bit more charismatic, things may've been different.
>>63398208
>egyptian
You misspelled Greek
>>63398553
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IM A MAN NOW MOTHER?!!? NOW LEAVE!!
>>63398642
Well, she was ethnically Greek but I'm pretty sure the Ptolemaic dynasty considered themselves fully Egyptian
>>63398642
this tbqh. more egyptian than her fat fucking brother, though.
>>63398701
>Ptolemaic dynasty
Nah, they were Macedonians and knew it
The real Egyptians were peasants at this time
>>63396341
lol you removed cock from mouth and let lies fall from mouth like shit from ass
>>63398759
>The real Egyptians were peasants at this time
come on now
>>63398895
>The Greeks now formed the new upper classes in Egypt, replacing the old native aristocracy. In general, the Ptolemies undertook changes that went far beyond any other measures that earlier foreign rulers had imposed. They used the religion and traditions to increase their own power and wealth. Although they established a prosperous kingdom, enhanced with fine buildings, the native population enjoyed few benefits, and there were frequent uprisings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Kingdom#Social_situation
>>63398439
populares btfo
>you will never jizz on these titties
why live
>>63397846
sorry but it's true the rest of international news in the US is FAGGOTS ARE FGGOTING AND SYRIA AND LET'S SHOUT OVER EACH OTHER I AM WINNING BECAUSE I AM LOUDER and bbc world news is like let's all be chill bros and let a couple nigs with weird accents ask good questions
>>63398964
and this proves you point, how?
>>63399053
Egyptians = peasants
Greeks = ruling class
>>63399111
>egyptians didn't rule their own
just stop
Who was the best Antony, /tv/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9C55TkUP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXmgViah4GI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA3Mbbht4WQ
>>63398759
But they fully adopted the gods and customs of Egypt, no?
>>63399153
The pharaohs of Egypt at that time were literally a Greek dynasty
>>63399314
>>63399240
Purefoy
not even a contest
>>63399438
>he can only argue with reaction images
no fuck you
>>63394629
>politically?
Politically? Fuck politically, I fuck her in her fat arse.
>>63399634
a lot, yes, you goddamn charlatan. seriously. you spell doom for us all. god bless you and save you.
>>63393298
she kind of looks like frodo to me, and the guy who falls in lurve with her, agrippa, kind of looks like samwise and it makes me laugh every time i watch them together
>>63393627
that's right, lepidus was on the borgias
>>63399860
wtf is wrong with you?
>>63394771
Makes me think, how many people like Augstus never made it because they got killed too fast, were not rich or lived in shithole countries.
I feel like this thread has given me a true breakthrough because this is truly /reddit/ the show because everyone on that website is obsessed with this show.
but also, it is a great show, and contains an equal amount of liberal/conservative values that can appeal to anyone on 4chan, especially because of its irreverent humor and (sometimes) great writing
reddit is a terrible website, but in a sense so is 4chan because we created those Scientology faggots that made 4chan look like a bunch of Guy Fawkes wearing autists four or five years ago.
/tv/ is my favorite board on 4chan, but it has an unfortunate overlap with reddit. I'm just (very) drunk and am realizing that this great board has more of a relation to reddit than any of us would like to admit, what's important is that we continue to remain extremely hostile to each other to keep our faggot asses in check.
>>63400274
>I care about stereotypes of websites instead of the content of the show
holy shit, kill yourself you fucking autistic retard
What did people do all day if they were a random plebe?
I know that instead of browsing 4chan they shitposted with graffiti, but otherwise what, they just sat around eating bread and fucking each other?
>>63393298
In the english tunnel, I would.
>>63400274
So if reddit likes something then that thing becomes reddit? What a sad life you live.
>>63400533
fucking whores, killing dudes you didn't like, fucking their sisters, fucking their slaves, etc.
>>63400274
This "anti" reddit movement has sparked so much interest it's created a bridge between the sites.
So if you hate it so much, why do you mention it? Do you realize you're defeating yourself? This obsession posters have on /tv/ is unreal.
>>63398153
Rome, for a long time, was a near-ideal society as far as balancing savage vigor and principle with philosophy and progress, similar to America. Once they went Imperial, they went full degenerate, just like when America became World Police. A society must balance those two forces because they are essential together but cancerous in extremes. Rome's worldly pragmatism, borne of being savages in the eyes of Greeks, is what allowed them to soak up every bit of information on war and society and fuse the armies of the Iberians, navies of the Carthaginians, and society of the Etruscans and Greeks into one synthesis culture. That savagery keeps you mindful of your realities and your essential principles, what you can keep and what you can throw away. At the extreme, you become the Germanics who were content to fuck around the forest doing absolutely nothing for centuries but killing anyone who came too close, a degeneracy of its own. If the Romans were as soft as the other civilized people, they'd have no chance of conquering everyone because the "civilized" are complacent and trivial.
>>63401370
>Rome, for a long time, was a near-ideal society as far as balancing savage vigor and principle with philosophy and progress, similar to America.
this better be bait.
>>63401880
This isn't 4chan.co.uk, fuccboi
