How is this film so perfect?
>>63293605
I hated it honestly
It's a guilty pleasure when you're in a fedoracore kind of mood. Nothing more.
>>63293605
You keep me under your spell
>>63293644
A guilty pleasure? Why so?
And why fedoracore? I wouldn't really say it's edgy.
>>63293637
How come?
>>63293605
>>63293704
>fedora aesthetic cinematography
>fedora sensibiliity soundtrack
>Blank "Just like me" protagonist for autists to project themselves onto
>fedora sensibility actors (Gosling, Cranston, Isaac)
>Scenes of extreme violence
Autism jokes aside,
I enjoyed this movie.
I really couldn't tell you why.
>>63293816
>why fedoracore?
>FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA FEDORA
Ok so you're just retarded then?
>>63293654
I don't eat.
I don't sleep.
I do nothing but think of you
>>63293605
I WANNA DRIVE YOU THROUGH THE NIGHT, DOWN THE HILL (MMM HMM HMM HMM UH)
REAL HUMAN BEAN
xD desu
>>63293960
You play video games as an adult. You are too consumed by fedora culture to be able to recognize it.
>>63293864
Same thing. Good soundtrack, nice aesthetics (especially the first 30 minutes), and less violent than what I expected. Goose is a bit autistic but whatever, it remains enjoyable.
>is called drive
>he drives
absalute pottery
>>63293605
it's not nearly that.
It's good at best. I like the OST and it's visually nice to look at, borderline "videoclip effect". The narrative, the action, the suspense.. they're all kinda bland desu
>>63294068
I play dota and cs:go occasionally and only with friends
other than that I don't really play video games
>>63294068
Please keep using the word fedora. I take your shitty cardboard argument much more seriously when you repeat it, really, I do
>>63294145
>Other than playing video games I don't really play video games.
The fact that Drive routinely attracts grown men who would debase themselves with such juvenile entertainment tells you all you need to know about the movie and director. I wonder what percentage of the Drive audience plays video games compared to the audience of a piece of real cinema like Hard To Be A God.
You can judge any work by the people it attracts. The only people who disagree with that are bad people enjoying bad media. The fact that so many people on a degenerate autism board enjoyed Drive is the final word that ever needs to be spoken against it.
>>63293816
>drive is a fedoracore bad movie
>blue is the warmest color is better
>>63294248
>You can judge any work by the people it attracts.
Yes you CAN...but wouldn't it make more sense to judge it by the art itself?
You're just butthurt because a film managed to mix an indie-veneer with some standard hollywood tricks.
Pretentious little bitch.
Will the Neon Demon redeem Refn after OGF?
BBC version is superior
>>63294377
Both Drive and Blue Is The Warmest Color are r/movies essentials fedora flicks.
Blue was less insulting so I guess you could call it "Better" in a sense although it's still not cinema.
>>63294248
when reading this post a fedora just phased into existence right in front of my computer screen. wow, man. simply epic. what a euphoric post.
>>63293605
this flick fucking sucked
stop trolling people into watching it
>>63294477
>but wouldn't it make more sense to judge it by the art itself?
Absolutely not. Art in a vacuum is meaningless. The way it impacts the real world is the metric by which we can judge whether or not the film was worthwile.
Drive left the world a worse place than it was before and so is a bad film that should not have been made. Enabling the hotpockets is one of the worst crimes a motion picture can commit.
>>63294640
What did you dislike about it? I thought it was pretty solid.
Cinematography, soundtrack, plot, pacing
It all just works
>>63294663
Do you just fucking read reviews instead of watching the film?
>Drive left the world a worse place than it was before and so is a bad film that should not have been made.
euphoric
overrated desu
>>63294689
fucking white night bullshit for people who have bad taste
the beginning was the best part then it quickly went to shit
the bad casting
like you expect me to believe that the big bad guy looks like every autistic-fan-of-this-movie's dad
this movie was pandering to the lowest common denominator of 18-34 y.o males who never read
>>63293605
this film is pretty based to be quite honest family
every aspect of it is really great
>>63293605
it isn't, it's ok though and something you could watch a lazy saturday afternoon if you are bored.
>>63294718
I've seen Drive several times, it doesn't get any better.
>euphoric
And absolutely true. Giving a positive experience to societal degenerates makes the world worse off than it would be if the media wasn't produced. It enables the video game players. Infantilization has reached such a point that today it's irresponsible and downright disgusting to make a film that doesn't try to antagonize the video game demographic as much as possible. By letting them go on undisturbed or even pandering to them and giving them a good time all you're doing is ushering the white race towards it's extinction.
>>63294935
watch out for that slope
>Its slippery
>>63293605
Really good pacing.
REAL HUMAN BEAN
>>63294827
>ucking white night bullshit for people who have bad taste
You're just a bitter autist
>the beginning was the best part then it quickly went to shit
Only for and autist such as yourself
>the bad casting
lol no
>like you expect me to believe that the big bad guy looks like every autistic-fan-of-this-movie's dad
No autist, not every antagonist has to be a sith lord
>this movie was pandering to the lowest common denominator of 18-34 y.o males who never read
Nice to know you pull shit out of your ass so much
>>63294827
*knight
>>63295347
>youre an autist
>youre an autist
>...autismss
and im the bitter autist?
wow all great points on how youre a fucking retard who has shit taste.. cant even give any good points as to why im wrong and this piece of shit movie was so "perfect"
seriously go jerk off to more ryan gosling photos you faggot
>>63295586
yea thanks
>>63293605
It's a essentially a remake of Shane – especially the ending.
>>63295586
oh thanks for clearing that up i had no idea what he meant because of that typo
fucking autists in this thread...
>>63294827
>this movie was pandering to the lowest common denominator of 18-34 y.o males who never read
Like you
>>63295811
good1 m80
im so butthurt
what ever am i to do
oh wait youre a retard so it doenst matter what you think/say
>Gosling speaks in mostly grunts
>His jacket looks like fucking shit
>The pacing is korean-drama-tier
>Really unlikable characters
>That fucking ending
I wasn't a fan.
shitty generic muh revenge plot
>>63293605
it could have used a few more driving scenes tbqh senpai
Visually the movie was amazing. The plot was meme-tier and the acting was meh. But it was beautiful to watch.
>>63294529
OGF is a masterpiece
I liked it because they slaughtered a cow in the middle of the movie.
I liked it. It wasn't great, but the shots were beautiful to watch.
Only God Forgives kinda sucked.
>>63293605
I literally just got done watching it and I have to say, I'm fucking disappointed. Is this what passes for "good" neo-noir nowadays? What the fuck? I'll give it the satisfaction of saying the scene where he scopes out Ron Perlman was fantastic cinematography, but outside of that it was mediocrity all around.
>>63296387
Only God Forgives is significantly better than Drive.
>no mention of the best Gosling film
shaking my head to be honest family
>>63295656
>especially the ending.
Truly a gentleman and a scholar.
>>63296442
i feel like i shouldve watched that instead but this movie made me want to stay away from goslings flicks..........
>>63296485
this movie was good.....im glad he dies
Drive is a transparent commercial exercize in pasting together supposedly cool elements from other films, which it doesn’t even do a remotely good job of. Drive imports most of its “cool” elements from superior films, but those elements simply don’t work when plucked away from the originals. Why? Because unlike those classics, Drive lacks a central premise. There’s no purpose in this film other than to imitate.
The expressionless stares in Drive are too frequent and too long. Occasionally they’re broken with a cheesy smile, at which point what little tough guy credibility Gosling had built up goes out the window.
Even with a seasoned action star in the lead role Drive would be an awful film, but it’s even worse for the fact that Gosling is not a convincing action hero. He’s got muscle, but he’s far too boyish in the face for this kind of role. His version of the tough guy stare is more akin to the timid Cameron character in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
I’ve also been reading quite a bit about Drive being stylish. Well, that’s true if you like meaningless MTV pop videos. Excessive slow motion, depth of field and long supposedly meaningful stares aren’t style. They’re today’s fads ported in from tv commercial aesthetics.
Have people ever watched the classic films Drive lifted it’s cut and paste ideas from? Or has the market become so saturated with garbage that this half-baked effort actually seems good by comparison?
>>63296509
>this movie made me want to stay away from goslings flicks..........
Its kind of pathetic to say, but The Notebook was a better film for what it was trying to be than Drive.
>>63296524
This actually sums up how I feel about the film pretty well. Although I think the boyish look is what they were going for when they tried to cast an "innocent" looking actor for the role.
>>63296621
I bet you don't like master and commander either.
>>63297376
Its still on my to-watch list but now that you said that I'll have to take it off. Thanks for helping me not waste my time anon!
>>63296524
I get what you mean but I think that Drive can stand up okay on its own. Refn's direction is solid enough to carry the movie and Goose isn't supposed to be James Caan. The autism factor is just about the most unique thing about Drive, dismissing it as a mistake doesn't seem fair.
Drive is like a combination of the plot of Shane with the style of Thief and The Driver, but I think it all pulls together kind of nicely. You've written a lot of words but haven't made many points. What you've written can be boiled down to
>muh classics are superior because of vague generalizations
>Goose isn't a hardass
>style is bad
>>63293605
Soundtrack is killer
>>63296387
I can't decide if I love or hate OGF, it's weird. I feel like there's something I'm missing whenever I watch it, even though I understand the plot and characters.
>>63297702
Style is good. Memetic style is bad. Drive is 90 minutes of memetic style.
Best film of 2011 hands down.
>>63294935
What does this film have to do with gaming and why do you hate video games so much?
>>63298427
>What does this film have to do with gaming
Drive is a film tailored towards the sensibilities of the juvenile video game adolescent.
>why do you hate video games so much?
Video games are a celebration of anti-artistic cultural infantilization. Video games are cultural genocide.
>>63298496
*dibs fedora :DDD"
>>63298528
Video games are intrinsically tied to fedora culture. The fedora spends his entire life consuming infantile pro-entertainment media such as video games.
>>63298496
>Drive is a film tailored towards the sensibilities of the juvenile video game adolescent.
What does that mean?
>>63298278
not even close nerd :0)
>>63298633
I saw most of those movies and I still think Drive is heads and shoulders above them.
>>63298570
It is a film intended to excite and entertain. To look and sound "cool". It is pornography.
>>63298699
>film intended to entertain
That's what films are supposed to do and good ones succeed at you idiot.
>>63298248
I didn't mean that you were saying all style is bad, I meant that you were saying Drive's style is bad without explaining why, and you still haven't.
What is memetic style and why is it bad?
>>63298742
When people want to be contrarian or don't know what they are talking about they use 'meme' to describe it. Don't listen to them they are retards.
>>63298790
I do it. Sometimes it just feels appropriate. It's the only word I can think of that accurately explains why Daniel Day Lewis is annoying.
>>63298739
>That's what films are supposed to do and good ones succeed at you idiot.
Spoken like a true video game manchild. This is a medium of antagonisation and punishment. The ideal for cinema would be the murder of the degenerate. The closer a film gets to that ideal, the better the art. Cinema is broken bones. Cinema is flayed flesh.
>>63298560
kek im not sure you know what fedora means fedora poster
>>63298828
So the less entertained you are the better the movie? You are a special kind of idiot.
>>63298828
Pinhead why are you posting on /tv/? Is /tv/ really so miserable that it can compare to impaling people with hooks and chains?
>>63298836
Fedora culture is "entertainment" culture with an inflection of false superiority over the "masses". Fedora is video games. Fedora is comic books. Fedora is Breaking Bad. Fedora is Nolantino. Fedora is hot pocket. Fedora is /v/. Fedora is reddit.
I am the poster who has devoted the most time and energy to the battle against the fedora and therefore I decide the meaning.
>>63293605
Why is this film being constantly shilled here?
>>63298888
Based Kinski
>>63298901
This is the most reddit post I have ever read.
>>63298888
>>63298901
You say that but I bet you like at least one of these.
>>63298923
Because Refn can't eat without the additional income brought in by making dozens of threads about his movies, bringing his films several dozen additional viewings a month. Same reason Disney do it. Without the /tv/ audience filmmakers starve.
>>63298870
>So the less entertained you are the better the movie?
The more valid the art, definitely. Entertainment cinema is on the level of the video game. Of the comic book. Of the fleshlight. The mark of a degenerate film is one that leaves audiences cheering. The mark of a great film is one which clears rooms. You lure in the entertainment degenerates and then you crush them. You bore them, you torture them, you break them.
It's not, that's how.
>>63298976
What are your thoughts on Derek Jarman?
Drive is a transparent commercial exercise that consists in pasting together supposedly cool elements from other films, which it doesn’t even do a remotely good job at. Drive imports most of its “cool” elements from superior films, but those elements simply don’t work when plucked away from the originals. Why? Because unlike those classics, Drive lacks a central premise. There’s no purpose in this film other than to imitate.
The expressionless stares in Drive are too frequent and too long. Occasionally they’re broken with a cheesy smile, at which point what little tough guy credibility Gosling had built up goes out the window.
Even with a seasoned action star in the lead role Drive would be an awful film, but it’s even worse for the fact that Gosling is not a convincing action hero. He’s got muscle, but he’s far too boyish in the face for this kind of role. His version of the tough guy stare is more akin to the timid Cameron character in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
I’ve also been reading quite a bit about Drive being stylish. Well, that’s true if you like meaningless MTV pop videos. Excessive slow motion, depth of field and long supposedly meaningful stares aren’t style. They’re today’s fads ported in from tv commercial aesthetics.
Have people ever watched the classic films Drive lifted it’s cut and paste ideas from? Or has the market become so saturated with garbage that this half-baked effort actually seems good by comparison?
>>63298962
This chart will always be odd to me, because about 3/4 of them have the same themes and appeal to the same type of people, and then there's actual good cinema that most people who enjoy the 3/4 would hate for being too slow/pointless/etc.
>>63299009
If this wasn't a pasta before it is now. So little is said over so much. It's like a 15 year old trying to be Armond White.
>>63298962
Taxi Driver is the only film pictured I have even an iota of respect for. Honestly I think the enjoyment of the vast majority of those movies should be met with an instant death penalty. You'd throw your "edgy" meme at me but it would genuinely better society if the people who enjoyed Oldboy or Inception were stopped in their tracks and not allowed to polute our society any further.
>>63298901
>I am the poster who has devoted the most time and energy to the battle against the fedora and therefore I decide the meaning.
and thats what makes you a fedora. *dibs*
>>63298976
So if I made a film that was 3 hours of a floating plastic bag that would be good cinema?
>>63293644
Guilty pleasures are for fags. If you like something, admit you like it.
>>63299009
>Have people ever watched the classic films Drive lifted it’s cut and paste ideas from?
Most people have not because, if they did, they'd see how egregiously things were lifted. So much so that it'd make Tarantino envious.
>>63299020
>there's actual good cinema
good one
>>63299037
You don't even have an iota of respect for A Clockwork Orange? Contrarian /tv/ strikes again!
>>63299037
Congratulations. This is probably the single most reasonable and patrician response I've ever received after posting the fedoracore chart, and I've posted it a lot.
>>63299051
Only if you tricked people into paying to see it, expecting a fun time at the movie threater. Art in a vacuum is worthless.
>>63299037
I am guessing that you are the kind of person that rarely leaves the house and has no friends.
>>63299037
>it would genuinely better society if the people who enjoyed Oldboy or Inception were stopped in their tracks and not allowed to polute our society any further.
fedora?
>>63299037
very edgy indeed
>>63299068
>no Hellraiser
>no From Dusk Till Dawn
>no Grindhouse
>no Ferris Bueller's
>no Reqiuem
>no A Scanner Darkly
>no Frank
>no American Beauty
>no Cabin In The Woods
>no Fifth Element
I'm just saying, but someone was trying way too hard for replies when they included Taxi Driver and A Clockwork Orange.
>>63299037
I would really really like to know your favourite film or at least one of your favourites. Show me something to change the error of my ways.
>>63299143
It's the truth. If you got rid of the infantilized fedora clad beta males then the future of the white race would be looking a whole lot brighter.
>>63298836
>"Fedora-core" refers to films that are popular among adolescent teens to young males who perceive themselves to be on the fringes of society. The films that are usually mentioned, such as Fight Club, The Boondock Saints, or The Dark Knight, appeal to that sensibility, although the films vary in content, quality, and popularity among all groups. What unites them however, is a common theme of alienation and chaotic/glorified/ violence. Simply put, you could say that they are united by their nihilism (think the main character from notes from the underground). Characters like the Joker, Tyler Durden, Donnie Darko, Patrick Bateman and even Travis Bickle are relatable or ideal characters in the minds of these people.
Examples: Drive, Kick-Ass, Dark Knight, Scott Pilgrim
>The second type is pseudo-intellectual and pretentious bullshit that pretends it's much more complicated than it actually is. These movies are designed to be actually really fucking simple, but still just complicated enough (or have a complicated enough twist) to make plebs feel clever when they watch it.
Examples: Inception, Fight Club, Idiocracy, Cabin In The Wood, Matrix
>The third type is high-budget modern schlock. Stuff that's 'cool', 'awesome' or 'manly' on the most superficial and juvenile level. Shit that falls under the same category as "SHARKS WITH LAZERS!" or "MUSTACHED JETPACK FIGHTS!". These movies tend to be gory or comedic or bloated, or all three.
Examples: Guardians of the Galaxy, The Wolf of Wall Street, 300, Pacific Rim
>>63299285
What is not a fedora-core movie?
>>63299285
sounds like hipster bullshit to me tbqh
>>63299376
The Turin Horse
>>63299285
Was Idiocracy really pretentious? I didn't think it was trying to be anything other than what it made itself out to obviously be. And believe me, I'm not trying to defend it. I just feel like it doesn't quite fall under that category.
>>63299230
But anon, You know that you'd have to kill yourself first, right?
>>63299214
>Hellraiser
It's not on there. Kino can't be fedoracore.
>Dusk Till Dawn
Robert Rodriguez has the mind of a fourteen year old.
>Grindhouse
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Ferris
An okay movie but anybody who likes it and isn't a dad is almost certainly a fag.
>Requiem
Great for meming but it's mostly remembered because it blew the minds of plebs who had never seen anything remotely experimental or out there before. Dreams, fantasy and insanity have been handled so much better by so many filmmakers. Baby's first trip.
>Scanner Darkly
I haven't actually seen this yet, I want to read the book first. PKD does have some pretty fedoracore followers though. And a movie adaption makes his 'cool' ideas even more accessible to nerds who want deep plots and mind control.
>Frank
Frank?
>American Beauty
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Cabin in the Woods
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Fifth Element
Overrated as dick. Ruby Rhod carries the fuck out of every scene he's in the set and costume designs are cool but it's not that good a movie if you watch closely. I like it the first time I saw but enjoy it less each time.It doesn't do its job as an action/science-fiction movie that well and is instead carried by imaginative design-work which was arguably stolen.
>Taxi Driver
Not bad on its own but it's meme status is undeniable. Travis Bickle is the original "literally me."
>Memework Orange
The second "literally me", Alex is the definition of "intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humour."
>>63294663
So is Wagner bad because Hitler liked him?
>inb4 hurrr hitler din du nuffin 4
>>63299476
The whole point of that post is that all of those are fedoracore. Learn to context anon.
>>63299389
>modern black and white
it's a gimmick
just like A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night and Nebraska
>>63299285
noice
>>63299376
Drunken Master (1978)
>>63299435
I am not an infantilized beta male. But even if I was I would be willing to sacrifice my life for the good of the future of the white race. I'd kill myself last though, so I could be sure that all of my enemies had been removed and my life had meant something.
>>63294935
>muh video games
All entertainment is a juvenile waste of time. Anything that doesn't get you food, shelter, or sex is a waste of time. Faggot.
>>63299524
If everyone started liking Drunken Master and making Drunken Master points 100% you would start calling it fedora-core.
>>63299520
>just like A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night and Nebraska
Except these flicks are pitched at the "entertainment" audience and The Turin Horse has no interest in entertainment whatsoever. The black and white is a very superficial point.
>>63299476
you made this long of a post and still managed to misunderstand what you were replying to. congrats anon
and yes hellraiser is undeniably fedoracore if you agree with everything on that chart
>>63299528
You need to be more subtle with your trolling brah. It's not fun anymore.
>>63299285
*you enjoy a movie, anon walks up to you * heh, you must wear a fedora pleb. im sure your idiot brain must like such insignificant movies *unsheathes katana* well... i guess ill have to fix your brain *teleports behind you* everyone cant be a patrician like me *slices you in half, sheathes katana* heh, nothing personnel fedora *tips trillby*
>>63299542
>All entertainment is a juvenile waste of time
I agree. I am against all forms of entertainment. Video games are just the most prominent entertainment degeneracy threat on this board.
>>63294145
Mah nigga. 3.7k mmr pudge warlord and mg2. Shit in both besides pudge with 409 games and 65% winrate
>>63293816
It kills me knowing there's people this stupid in the world
>>63299559
The Fedoracore label doesn't depend on the type of following a movie has, it's just that fedoracore movies tend to get the same kinds of followings because it's such a legitimate and accurate criteria of assessment and categorization.
>>63299009
>Rob Ager
The same guy who fantasizes about child molestation in Kubrick movies
>>63296485
Because this is a thread about Drive, not Ryan Gosling, faggot.
>>63299713
>it's such a legitimate and accurate criteria of assessment and categorization.
nice google dictionary post bro ;^)
>>63294145
>>63299686
>playing ASSFAGGOTS
Stop killing videogames
>>63299713
It's so sad if you actually believe this. I honestly feel sorry for you.
>>63299742
What does that mean? What's a google dictionary post?
>>63298976
>Woooow, Beethoven received 5 standing ovations at the premiere of the 9th? Trash! What a fucking hack!
>>63299777
Anon had to Google what you meant.
>>63299116
You should slit your wrists. That'd be true art.
>>63296442
that;s bait
>>63299950
Yeah, no surprise the Mad Meme Fury Reddit poster would prefer the entertainment schlock of Drive to the extreme arthouse nightmaresterpiece that was OGF.
>>63299612
>Against all forms of entertainment
Then why the fuck are you here? Why do you have internet? Why aren't you foraging for food or trying to have sex? To enlighten people? That's a waste of time.
>lel I trolled all of /TV/ for over an hour
>>63298976
Korinefag?
>>63294827
I actually really liked Brooks as the bad guy. Him and Cranston were my favorite parts of the movie.
>>63300156
>Cranston
Fucking terrible. I know you like your meme show but fuck off. My second dad is a classically trained actor and whenever Cranston was onscreen he was shaking with rage. He even had to go outside and throw up at one point. Fuck meme man cranston. I'm glad he has faded away into minor supporting roles in D grade movies again.
>>63293605
that movie is literally SHIT
>>63293864
One thing I liked was that there wasn't much dialogue. Wouldn't want all films to be like Drive but it worked pretty well in this movie.
