now, that the dust ist settled
can we all agree that its a
STRONG 9/10
Not when it's obviously a 10/10
Peter please go
7
OT is a 10
Drop the barrel ride, the forced romance, the Wormtongue clone, don't waste so much time in the 3rd movie, remove explicable Billy Connely cameo...
Do that and I'd give an 8.
>>63259022
whats a blockbuster without a forced romance? what big movie doesnt have one?
>>63259022
*INexplicable
nah 6/10 at the most
Makes me wonder, what's on the menu?
>>63258815
Not even a STRONG 9/10 bait
Apply yourself.
>2012 was 5 years ago
fuck sake
1 and 2 together is a generous 7/10
3 brings the whole trilogy down to 5/10
Reposting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkygZdZ_Vk
>>63259061
Compare the romance in these to the romance in Avatar. In Avatar Jake spends weeks getting to know Amazon Cat Girl whilst having incredible new experiences; there's obvious bonding there. In the Hobbit, the dwarf and the elf are basically just assigned to liking each other. No background, they just do it. There was no investment of time.
>>63258815
Are we using a new rating system, where 10 is the worst?
>>63259125
>Battle of Fiver armies 5/10
Srsly? Dont tell me this is isnt one of the most epic scenes in cinematography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5FqtO-F_yA
Dont tell you didnt felt genuinly sad when the whole thing was over and bilbo was returning home, dont tell me whole thing doesnt feel epic as fuck, there are a bunch of other moments too, like when they say thorin just hides his greed under the cloak of patriotism, i mean isnt this a direct punch of our modern day oligarchs etc.
>>63259196
true, but why is it a suprise? tauriel is hot as fuck, has a nice as who would want to tap that? dwarf, man, or elf
>>63259304
I really didn't get into the 3rd movie at any point. Thorin's stubbornness was tedious to me. I get dwarves are stubborn, but I couldn't empathize with him. At least when Frodo wouldn't give up the ring you knew it was the legendary ring's power fucking with him.
Also, there's just too many deus ex machina moments in all the movies. Any tension that could have been built in the 3rd movie was murdered by the fact that every prior tense moment being ended by something incredibly convenient for our heroes.
Tauriel is pretty fine, though.
>>63258815
Not even close no theres about one moment in the first movie were I really felt the wonder of the LOTR trilogy when the eagles are flying towards Erebor that maybe scraped 9/10 for a second or two but the rest was a solid 7 not bad by any means but entirely forgettable.
fuck are you serious? 6 at best. AT BEST
>people who read the book and didn't like the movies
>people who didn't read the book and enjoyed the movie
>people who don't give a flying fuck about book vs movie war and watched because delicious Thranduil
>>63259304
>one of the most epic scenes in cinematography
This is what Redditors think
It was a huge step down from the original trilogy. Still some of the best fantasy movies ever though. There's just not much competition out there sadly. Some, but not much.
>>63258815
AUJ - 7/10
DOS - 4/10
TBOFA - 2/10
>>63259304
the bloom in that scene makes me want to gouge my eyes out
>>63259631
ive never use reddit, i dont even know how the site works
>>63258815
1st had a nice mood, was cozy, a bit too long
2nd was stupid
3rd was just awful
5/10 at best
>tfw you're a huge LOTRs fan
>tfw you still haven't seen Battle of the Five Armies because you don't care about any of the characters in The Hobbit
>>63259304
5 for the series feels right, 6/10 for the first 2, 4/10 for the last.
>>63259022
You need to remove radagast, a lot of the random orc fights, and most of the gandalf sideplot as well.
>>63259111
>2001 was over nine thousand years ago
the feels
>>63259619
tranduil is a gateway twink for becoming gay, i questioned my heterosexuality a lot of times during his scenes and that of basedlegolas
Is the Tolkien edit any better?
>>63259816
Probably.
>>63259304
A shame such a great score was wasted on such a shit movie
>>63259855
The quality is trash, it has some questionable edits, and leaves in some of the bad scenes, but overall makes it much less tedious to watch. I think it would have been better to keep the edits, but also stay as 3 movies, because I'd rather watch 3 1:30 hour films than 1 4 hour one.
>>63259304
>watch this piece of dogshit clip
>it finally ends
>two towers: battle of helms deep in suggested vidoes
>oh boy here it goes
>choking back tears as gandalf shows up with eomer and the army comes crashing down
it's beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6XicBBN1l4
>>63258815
The Fan Cut?
8.5/10 when it's made
Overall?
6.5/10
Fun ride, but nowhere near the LotR in terms of technical achievement, pacing or emotional impact.
>>63259619
I didn't like the book, didn't like the movies.
The Lotr-trilogy was great though. Loved the books and loved the movies.
Seriously, fuck The hobbit, both the book and the movies.
>>63260114
>I didn't like the book
fuck off
>>63259528
>you knew it was a legendary ring fucking with frodo
Nigger there was a legendary as fuck treasure horde fucking with thorin, not to mention it had dragon sickness on it (this curse is specifically mentioned in the movie). Thorin was temporarily cursed until he snapped out of it.
>>63259825
>ywn experience 9/11 again
>>63260022
>the hobbit films have sapped all my appreciation for the lotr
I know this is supposed to be good, but fuck
>>63260131
No, you fuck off.
Did you actually like the book? fucking pleb
It's best to just ignore The hobbit, it fits in so badly with the rest of Tolkiens universe.
I've read somewhere that Tolkien actually planned to rewrite it years later, shame that he never did that.
>>63260022
They even had the balls to redo that shit for RotK and they pulled it off brilliantly.
>that music cue when the charge starts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vsw_HJyi2Y
>>63260189
>I've read somewhere that Tolkien actually planned to rewrite it years later, shame that he never did that.
He started it, and then realized it lost the spirit and innocence of the story.
First two were at least sorta fun adventures with a LOTR skin
The 3rd is irredeemable garbage
8/10
5/10
4/10
probably the most mediocre finale I've ever seen.
>>63260266
The third just accumulates so much shit
>two made up characters have more screen time than almost anyone else
>legolas barging in to do his weightless action scenes
>battles are just mass cgi fests
>>63258815
today, I saw all 3 movies (not the extended cut) for 15€ on Bluray bundled together in store.
They have to be a failure for being so cheap
>>63260214
>RotK
i always start crying at
>my friends, you bow to no one
it's cheesy as fuck but i just can't help it
Fuck Jackson, the trailer made the movie look so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSoD4BBCJc
>jacksonboos will defend this
>>63260139
>curse
Ok, I guess. Could have been done better. Overall Thorin is pretty unlikable, and the time spent with his issues brings the whole experience down.
>>63260262
He should have done it, it's not like a re-write would have meant that all older versions would have to be burned. The two versions could have co-existed.
The tone of the book is just "off" compared to Lotr and Silmarillion. I hated the Hobbit when I read it. I honestly think it's the worst reading experience of my life.
>>63260347
Sad because the battle could've been cool like Helms Deep and Mina's Tirith but they fucked it up
>>63259660
>>63259693
likewise. The first is a pretty enjoyable movie, especially early on.
the other two are just grating.
>>63260397
It looks bad in that pic, but not in the actual movie.
>>63260407
i had mixed feelings about Thorin, thats what makes it so cool
>>63260471
>something does not look as bad when it is put into another context
fuck off
>>63260395
I remember feeling so hyped when I first saw this.
>that scene where the elves jump in front of the dwarf spear wall and literally fight a charge of Orcs in front of it
>>63258815
4 / 10
i bet you fucking hobbit apologists are the same morons who shitpost about man of steel not being terrible
Yeah, on paper it had the potential to be a cheesy as fuck scene, but everyone's performances throughout the three films, culminating on that moment make it a truly impactful scene.
Goes to show really what a monster cast with good chemistry they had for LotR.
>>63260418
>I honestly think it's the worst reading experience of my life.
The book is very well written. I don't know how you can praise the LoTRs books and say the hobbit is shit. Do you really prefer it when tolkien goes off on some inane irrelevant detail for 20 pages, before remembering that he has a story to tell? Or his complete lack of ability to interweave narratives?
The best thing about the last Hobbit movie was when it ended. No, not just because it was over, but for Billy's song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ir8rVl2Z4
Rest of the movie was a shit.
>>63260562
comment meant for >>63260389
>>63260571
That said, it really hammers home just how awful the Hobbit movies were when you see the scenes spliced against the ones from the LotR.
>>63258815
AUJ 8/10
DOS 7/10
BOTFA 6/10
It's a 7/10 trilogy overall.
>>63260395
The dwarf song is probably the best part of the whole triology.
Even the horse was cgi.
A goddamned horse.
What the fuck were they thinking?
>>63260531
>that scene where thorin conjures a battle ram from thin air
>that scene where beorn is airdropped by eagles and it cuts away before he can do anything
>that scene where legolas air jumps off falling rocks
At least it had some nice views and music
>>63260594
i can live with that
>>63260571
>itz shit cause i say so!
well at least give some reasons, dont just shitpost a stupid song, thats what mu is for
>>63260563
>the details, the songs, the landscape descriptions, the stories that the characters tell
its like a huge tapesty, that makes the universe become alive, its feels like playin wow for the first time
>>63260598
One of the few instances where The Hobbit captured the original trilogy's essence.
>>63260598
Agreed. That got me excited for everything to come.
>>63260651
>>that scene where beorn is airdropped by eagles and it cuts away before he can do anything
is there anything in the extended cut?
It looked really good, but turns out to be nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ6u7nlgWps
was this the only good thing to come out of this trilogy?
>>63260531
The tactics are so terrible in the final battle.
>>63260703
Yeah, he gets a couple extra seconds of actually tearing shit up. It's the only positive addition to the EE I can think off.
>>63260563
Well written? I don't know about that. The ending is just a big mess. It's like Tolkien didn't know how to end it and just winged it by adding a large battle as the climax.
Bolg is suddenly introduced and killed within 3 pages. He just shows up out of the blue and for some reason Beorn also appears and kills him.
>>63260836
I mean the prose and style. The ending is a clusterfuck, but it's a very straightforward and easy read compared to LoTRs. And I think it does a good job of ramping up slowing, so each threat seems bigger than the last, instead of hackson throwing in extraneous orc fights to kill time.
>>63260836
Bilbo already comes full circle by stealing the Arkenstone, though. The large battle isn't really part of his story, hence why it's skipped over.
>>63260913
>but it's a very straightforward and easy read compared to LoTRs
I thought that Lotr was easy to read, but I actually struggled with The Hobbit. It was hard to read for some reason. I don't know why.
>>63260707
listened to this a lot when i hicked 200km in the lapponian tundra
>>63260707
This was a great piece. Too bad about the rest of the music.
>>63261078
because its not a clear narrative story. It starts and stops and starts again and is a bunch of scenes loosely connected. Reading it is like trying to recall a dream where you dont know how one part could possibly lead to the next.
>>63261473
Are we talking about lotr or the hobbit?
>>63258815
UJ: 5.5/10
Smaug: 4/10
BoFA: 3/10
>>63261473
Good post!
Everything was just so disconnected in the Hobbit, I had to re-read pages quite often. I can't understand people who claim that children enjoy this book.
The lotr-trilogy had a nice "flow" and was easy to read.
>>63261473
How can you not understand a book written for 10 year olds without getting confused.
>>63261760
>a book written for 10 year olds
I don't think any 10 year old would appreciate this book. Maybe if it's read out loud by someone else.
>>63258815
It is the Star Wars Prequels of this generation
It's amazing and sad how there is so much filler material that a fan edit is completely viable. Has there ever been a movie like this before?
>>63258815
Obvious bait, but I'll bite.
1st Hobbit 9/10
2nd Hobbit 7/10
3rd Hobbit 4/10
>>63262325
1st isn't that good and the 3rd isnt that bad
>>63258815
literally CGI : the trilogy
AUJ : 0/10
TDOS : 0/10
BOTFA : 0/10
I actually liked the Hobbit more than LotR desu. I just wish that Smaug stayed the true focus of the story. I just couldn't take the five-page-battle seriously knowing it wasn't really definite or anything. Mordor and Sauron were still the outcome
>>63263171
It's like mad max meets lotr! So cool xDDDD
>>63263099
>YEAH BECAUSE ELVEN AND DWARVEN KINGDOMS ARE REAL PLACES
>TROLLS AND DRAGONS ARE REAL
Why didn't they just fucking film in a real place? What's with all the sets and green screen? it can't happen to be because the location in the fantasy story book isn't real?
Lord of the rings had more travelling in the world of men than The Hobbit. A lot more.
>>63259816
>>63259022
>Not mentioning the random nigger extras in laketown
>>63263815
Anyone have screencaps of the nigger hobbit extras?
>>63258815
Am I the only one that feels sorry for Hackson? He's covered in grey hairs now and gained weight again, while Pre hobbit he had no grey hairs a day wasn't fat. This failure of a trilogy destroyed him, and at least he admitted that he fucked up majorly right guys?
>BoTFA trailer has 20 million views
>Unexpected Journey has 8
Wut
>>63263448
well, they managed to make the entire fucking lotr triology without making it look like a fucking video game.
>>63263448
Aren't most of this miniatures? Or did they just say fuck it and go full cgi?
>>63264256
Lord of the rings did a really good job of applying practical effects. There's plenty of CG, but it's used appropriately. Even Gollum holds up pretty wellas long as he's not in daylight.
Part of the over reliance on CG is mostly because of the 3D. You can't use forced perspective and film in 3D, for obvious reasons.
Its like opening pandoras box, not to mention that Jackson didn't really want to make it in the first place. It's a lazy sloppy job because no one cared about it.
Just listen to the cast and crew commentaries for the original movies, people were very obviously passionate and genuinely interested about the project. Now we just have Morgan Freeman flicking off the camera, and gandalf going bloo bloo.
>>63263850
I guess you can kinda justify it by saying it's a trading hub and they are transposed easterlings or something, but fuck it's jarring
>>63259061
avengers 1
Remember when there was feeling in the lotr movies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMq7ynj_64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzUAbtRt-A
tell me this doesn't trigger u
>>63265018
Just the mere existence of that characters triggers.
Jesus christ, what an unnecesary waste of screen time.
I'm not cliking.
>>63264869
>You can't use forced perspective and film in 3D, for obvious reasons.
Forced perspective like in lotr is really hard to pull off with 15 characters on screen. If they did the greenscreen for all the exchanges between bilbo and gandalf, that's unacceptable.
>>63265071
>you can cut all his scenes and the plot doesnt change at all
>>63264942
Did they have to get the ugliest bugeyed nigress possible for this?
I live in the same suburb as Peter Jackson, which is where Weta Digital / Workshop / etc is located.. He owns a couple production studios here as well and a huge one with a bunch of huge filming stages that they used to film LOTR/Hobbit as well as other Hollywood films. They're gonna film a live action Ghost in the Shell next year and Scarlett Johansson is coming over here as she stars in it.
The first one was decent, the second one was 50/50, and the third one was pretty bad
>>63260038
is a fan cut possible with that mess?
>>63258815
I'd say its a strong 3/10
>>63268149
More or less. It would be easier with access to a split audio/music version to create better transitions, but you can hack out radagast, the love triange, legolas, and the necromancer so easily it's not funny. And most of the pointless cgi scenes can be trimmed effectively as well.
>>63259304
>multi-million dollar movie
>le epic charge
>shitty cgi
>bargain dumpster costumes
>greenscreen everywhere
you're autistic man.
>>63265018
>casually dodging a trolls hammer smashing away
>>63265018
Why was this death scene cut?
I mean yeah it's bad, but so is most of the rest of the movie. But by cutting it you create the situation where a character that for some reason got more screentime than almost all the dwarfs has zero resolution.
UJ: 6/10
DoS: 5/10
BoFA: 3.5/10
The final movie was such a fucking disappointment on top of an already disappointing trilogy. At least the Unexpected Journey and even Desolation of Smaug had moments of pathos and respect for Tolkien's lore. I thought Smaug was well-done though, so I'll give Jackson that. Overall 4.5/10 trilogy.
AUJ=9/10
DOS=7.5/10
TBOFA=6.5/10
me waiting in line for midnight release for all of them may affect my opinion because it was cool as fuck but i give 0 fucks, just my opinion tho
>>63258815
Journey 5/10
DoS 4/10
BotFA 1/10
>>63271785
Journey 0.5/10
DoS 0.4/10
BotFA 0.1/10
AUJ: fell asleep/10
DoS: 7/10
BoFA: 4/10
