So, I guess we can all agree this was by far the best movie of the year, right ?
>>63252841
Yes. Creed might be a close second, but Ex Machina was very good.
It's a shame that all the dumb normies jacked themself to Mad Max and Avengers. Why do they have such shit taste?
>>63252915
Mad Max was good and no amount of memeing will make me think the opposite
>>63252841
I liked it.
>>63252942
no it was plain boring, you could figure out the plot 15mins in
Beat movie of the year based on the dance scene alone.
>>63252841
It was about as memorable as an episode of The Outer Limits.
>>63252841
This is my MOTY, a 7/10
Not a good year for movies.
>>63253096
just finished this.
no idea what people liked about it. was bland from start to finish
>>63253127
It gives hope to betas that one day they will get to impregnate their childhood bully's wife.
>>63253127
>>63252915
Mad Max wasn't very good but it was better than that indiewood sci fi lite shitfest.
>>63253059
Cool scene Reddit. Not hipster at all.
>>63253011
Hey Reddit!
>>63253096
>>63252841
get better taste faggots
>>63252841
uncanny was better in everyway
pleb only like ex machina because ''muh fuckbots''
>>63252841
I'm gonna tear up this year dude check it out
>>63252841
It was extremely forgettable and middle of the road in almost every way. Passable writing, barely. Both leads were okay but certainly not great. Nothing new about the premise.
I guess if its baby's first experience with an AI box experiment then it kind of excites those people, but its an old idea and it's Yudkowsky's, not whoever wrote this bunk.
In a few years people won't even remember this film exists.
>>63253011
>>63253262
Not specifically directed at either of you, but where did everyone tell people to go before Reddit existed? What was the go-to scapegoat in the times before Reddit?
>>63253253
Is there supposed to be something good here?
>>63253322
At the beginning people would say go back to SA.
thats not whiplash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVToF1gHapc
Best part.
It would have been the best movie of the year if she had killed him or taken him with her.
>>63253322
myanimelist.net
>>63252942
>>63253262
Mods ban these disgusting redditurds! I've never seen someone out themselves so quickly before
I actually just watched this last night. A very nice looking and thought provoking movie. Like other anons have said, it didnt bring any new ideas to the table regarding the morality of AI, but I think the story was well done and interesting.
>>63253402
Hey reddit!
On /tv/
>whoa, this reveals the true nature of women! Duplicitous bitches
In reality
>film is run of the mill feminist tripe, where male sexuality is demonized and the 'nice guy' gets shat on
>>63253427
thats because youre a normie pleb m8
We almost can. And that's the tragedy of this year's cinema.
>>63253402
Wait, is Reddit for edgy, fat fedora-tippers, or is it for hug-boxing normies?
>>63253279
>>63253253
There are people on this board that didn't grasp Ex-Machina as a critique of women rather than AI.
>>63253185
>>63252841
Seriously? It's mediocre and predictable as fuck
>>63253360
I think that would have defeated the point of the movie.
Room was the best tbqh familia
>>63253506
WWAAAAAAAAAAAHHH TIY MEAN WOMENS BODIES WERE UNDER SCRUTINY IN A FILM ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES A PERSON AND THE PERSON AUTONOMY OVER THIER LIFE!!!!!
WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
OMGH
I NEVER KNEW BRO!!! BROOOO!!! YOU GOTTA TELL ME MORE MATE!!
>>63252841
The year isn't over yet. Ask again Jan 1.
>>63253546
tequila?
>>63253506
Except it's actually neither. It's a critique of male sexuality and the alpha/beta dichotomy. The film sympathizes with pancake tits as a victim of abusive men, and the ending is supposed to be her triumph over her captors, not some insidious backstabbing you retards interpret it as.
Hilarious how posters in this shithole fail to see that films like this are feminist (same goes with Mad Max).
>>63253322
Gaia usually.
And ebaums.
>>63253845
Gee, I thought it was about AI development.
>>63253096
This movie is fucking shit holms... The end is for faggots and faggots alone.
>>63253096
I just saw it. Predictable and felt like revenge porn for guys who were bullied as kids. Pathetic t bh
>>63253952
The film has little interest in AI thematically speaking. It's just used as a backdrop for a Frankenstein story with a feminist twist.
>>63253008
I had a romantic dream with that faggot
I think I'm losing it guys
>>63253845
>It's a critique of male sexuality and the alpha/beta dichotomy
lol
if this was a feminist movie it was pretty damn good
>>63253360
She did kill him, technically
>>63254035
So that's why it has a strong premise for the development of AI in such a way that would require reverse engineering of a model of human consciousness derived from search engine usage, then designing the containers for such models of consciousness to be physically weak and dependent upon the compound for continued existence. A compound that has nothing the AI can interface directly with or turn against the human occupants.
>>63254056
Really. How do you not see it as that? Both characters are alpha/beta archetypes, and both are portrayed as manipulative and deserving of their fate.
Honestly this was the best thing I saw all year. Or at the very least the best thing I saw that came out this year.
Inside Out 2bh
>>63254261
>>63254281
Hey friend.
>>63254119
>strong premise
>some dude makes an AI because he's a genius who talks like a /fit/tard
Yeah, the premise might sound like hard sci fi, but the film itself does little to explore these things. What you're left with is a premise.
>>63254035
>>63253992
>>63253845
>>63253506
>>63253444
>>>/pol/
>>63253340
wasnt it gaia?
>>63253322
>somethingawful, ytmnd, gaiaonline, ebaums, 4chanonline or some shit where pedophiles went, tumblr, reddit and i'm sure a bunch i'm forgetting.
reddit is a phase, nothing more and is a great way to weed out the true newfags
>>63253533
The movie never tried to tell us she wasn't smart.
>>63253481
yes
>>63254325
Except how instead of exploring the premise, it takes place after all the explorations, like billionaire inventor actually read all the AI speculative fiction and is avoiding all the obvious mistakes.
>>63252841
This was really generic "elevated" sci-fi. The concept has already been done to death.
should have given her a stronger sexdrive
like the absolute need to have sex every 20 minutes, and then she'd come begging
UNCANNY WAS A BETTER FUCKING FILM!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63254554
should have had jessica jones sex scenes in too, where shes suing her sexual frudtration as a tool but then feel AI regret. because he programmed her to feel guilty about likeing sex she doesnt want to have.
THen she stabs him in the fuck face with a knife, in the fucking face for like an hour.n
>Le all robots are evil wanna take over the warld XD
There is nothing special about this movie.
And no, bleak meme endings doesn't automatically make it a good movie. I'm tired of this meme
>>63254474
Again, you haven't really contradicted me. What does the film do with this premise? Does it really have anything to say about these high minded concepts, or did the writer just wikipedia some AI speculative tropes and throw it in the script as a backdrop?
>>63254642
Try to sound less bitter next time.
>people in this thread calling it shit without naming their MOTY
>>63254915
Bone Tomahawk.
>>63254708
I mean if you're really determined just interpret is a low feminist Frankenstein scenario its not like I can force you to start thinking on a higher level.
I guess all those scenes about all the thought experiments about AI were just window dressing, right? Not relevant to the script all and thrown in because lol wikipedia!
I mean, it really seems like you watched the movie, and didn't just read a synopsis on Wikipedia so you could shitpost about it on mongolian Shintoist temples.
>>63253952
/tv/ can turn every film into some feminism bullshit, I don't know where this obsession with feminism started.
>>63254642
>I didn't understand the film so I am annoyed about it appearing simplistic to me
>>63255000
Because we're anti-tublr lol! I can't talk against feminism on my facebook wall beacuse then girls will stop talking to me ;_;
Excellent movies from this year that 4chan doesn't even seem to realize exist:
Diary of a Teenaged Girl
Far From the Madding Crowd
Any others?
>le dangerous robot, ima hit you because my ego derp
>>63255030
>>63255000
It starts with not getting laid when you want to and the cancer spreads from there.
>>63255048
> A teen artist living in 1970s San Francisco
No.
>>63254971
Dude, I'm asking for you to deliver. What does Ex Machina actually say? What is the film actually about? What themes does it explore to completion? Why does it need this sci fi premise to say what it has to say?
>>63255064
>girls will stop talking to me
its not projecting if he says it himself retard
>>63253008
I didn't they make her look like a normal human, covered all up in normal looking skin, and with sexy hair? It would have worked better as a seducing device for Caleb.
>>63255123
It's about how easily beta males are fooled into doing stupid ass shit and screwing everybody over for the prospect of pussy
Even robot pussy
>>63253253
What imperative does a grey box have to interact with another gray box? Can there be consciousness without interaction?
That made me think tbqh
What happened?
No noteworthy books came out this year, no noteworthy movies came out this year and no noteworthy video games came out this year.
>>63255123
You're asking to be spoonfed. I am not your mother. Though I am fucking her.
>>63255184
Then Caleb would be even more easily fooled into thinking she was human and the test wouldn't work as good
>>63255184
Have you actually watched it?
>>63255210
Why? Consciousness doesn't require an imperative.
The movie was 99% glossing over of the precise things that were interesting or needed to be talked about. Instead the writers went with "vague grasp of epistemology".
>>63255123
not him, but it's about how humans project their concept of intelligence onto things based on their behavior, and that that's how empathy works. hence a good AI being one that can manipulate people's sympathies, not one that mimmick human responses as in the original Turing Test.
the conventional AI movie route is to go "do AI's have souls" and then present us with an AI that is effectively just a human character who happens to be a computer. Unlike overrated trash like Ghost In The Shell, Ex Machina actually gets at the root of the problem.
Imho one of the better movies for sure.
>>63255208
Ah so the message is a meme
LMAO I got it
>>63255210
Of course there can
I think he meant you need to interact with others and the reason people interact at all is because of sexual desires
But you don't have to interact with other beings just interaction with your environment already shows consciousness
>>63255266
it does if you don't actually know whether or not you've developed a conscious entity... and developing a conscious entity is your goal.
>>63255184
they addressed this in the movie, you either didn't watch it or you were too busy shitposting
>>63255266
>Why? Consciousness doesn't require an imperative.
we can't even really agree which animals are "conscious" and which aren't. without defining something like that before you start a discussion, college-level stoner discussions are all you're going to have.
>>63255304
But that's literally it
Caleb fucked Nathan's entire life's work and threw it all away just because he thought maybe the robot girl liked him
What an asshole
>>63255260
Yeah, but I may have forgotten some parts.
>>63255236
That's a good point, I understand. Also maybe the movie wouldn't have felt right if all the characters looked like regular humans including the AI. The film needs to have a robot that looks like a robot.
>>63255315
>it does if you don't actually know whether or not you've developed a conscious entity
Why would consciousness need an imperative for that reason?
>>63255339
>we can't even really agree which animals are "conscious" and which aren't.
Of course we can. Here's where the argument breaks down into semantics because people don't actually know what words mean.
Google the definitions of the following terms exactly as presented:
artificial intelligence
sentience
conscious
>>63253845
fuck you, caleb is the hero in that movie, a true gentleman, and ada is a friendzoning bitch
>>63255400
Because you need it to interact with a controlled variable to isolate the [whatever] that caused it to exist.
As nathan was reverse engineering AI, not developing AI.
>>63255438
>ex machina thread
>some faggot starts going to dictionary definitions
every fucking time.
>>63252841
Nah, it was good movie, but not the best of the year. It's kinda forgettable to be honest senpai.
>>63255400
in the movie Nathan had decided that his definition of "consciousness" was "can't manipulate beta into helping her escape" because he designed the robot and was allowed to do it.
now give us what your definition of "consciousness" would be if you were designing an AI. playing with words isn't going to make you look smart here.
>>63255438
well shit man, if the dictionary has already defined AI, sentience, and consciousness, why even talk about it? Where are my AI sexbots?
>>63255513
>playing with words isn't going to make you look smart here.
>entire post is playing with words
I have no face for this.
>>63255513
Consciousness is subjective ontology. You can never demonstrate it to a second or third party. You can only experience it.
>>63255463
>Because you need it to interact with a controlled variable to isolate the [whatever] that caused it to exist.
Why?
>>63255513
Does it recognize itself in the mirror
That's it
That would be my test
>>63255486
note that the movie called Nathan's search engine "Blue Book", a reference to Wittgenstein, precisely because the question of AI is almost entirely about how you define words. this faggot >>63255438 can't grasp the issues but is convinced that not being able to understand the limitations of language makes him smarter than us so what can you do.
>>63253096
>>63253165
absolute trash of a movie.
>>63255582
Because that's how reverse engineering works.
>>63255486
...because people don't know what words mean.
>>63255513
Did you google what "consciousness" means? Because it doesn't equate to "artificial intelligence".
>>63252841
Watched it, was faintly bored with the lack of effort from every member of the cast, thought the conclusion was trite and simplistic.
Watched "The Man from U.N.CL.E." the night after, enjoyed the plot, pace, action scenes, character development... There is literally nothing about the film that I didn't like.
Come at me, fagets.
>>63255531
> if the dictionary has already defined AI,
It has.
>sentience
>consciousness
Those too. All English words, actually.
>why even talk about it
I love talking about it...with people who know what the fucking words mean.
>>63255586
>image recognition software is intelligent
try again.don't worry it's okay if this is harder than you anticipated.
>>63255577
Exactly. This is why consciousness has absolutely nothing to do with AI.
>>63255600
>Wittgenstein
He'd agree with me. These aren't language games or a power play. It's language basics.
>>63255651
>the dictionary
there's more than one, though.
>I love talking about it
you're not talking about, you only think you are.
>>63255651
Is english your second or third language or are you just autistic?
Or are you a weak AI someone put on the internet to see if it could gain sentience?
>>63255278
Thanks for the response. Interesting, but I still think that that's kind of besides the point ultimately. Because while that may be a new play on a sci fi concept, I'm not sure how it's used to bring thematic closure to the story.
>>63255716
So? Choose one. They don't differ radically unless it's a distinction between British and American usage.
>>63255721
English is my first of several human languages, and I have advanced degrees in comp linguistics and HLT from UofA.
>>63255705
your retreat to dictionary definitions on a subject that is currently undefined due to no existent examples betrays your complete lack of understanding of the subject at hand. Which is a strong indication you're simply in this thread for negative attention.
>>63255787
>your retreat to dictionary definitions
It's not a retreat. It was a call with the first post I laid down in this thread. I START with the dictionary, as you faggots should, because you sound and read like a bunch of idiots.
>>63255775
>university of arizona
So that's a yes to autism and home schooling.
>>63255513
are you dumb? look, artificial intelligence is literally a computer program that defines its own algorithm from information about a problem, and improves on it by taking feedback into account. nothing more. no skynet, no alive robots.
the thing is that there will be a point when we will take it beyond programs that do picture recognition or play chess. there will be a point when someone will unleash a computer with only a means to get information from the world, a means to interact with it, and a goal. nothing more, and as a computer program, it will only work 24h on doing literally whatever it takes to archieve the goal.
and the question: to what extents will those computers go for their goal? in the case of Ex Machina, Ava or whatever it was called, was pretty much a chess computer, except a lot more powerful and its winning condition was to get out of that place. Ava has vast knowledge about the world extracted from Bluebook and huge processing power, but still no way to physically get out so she/it pretty much just stays on hold, until Nathan brings Caleb in.
Ava doesn't know Caleb but he is a potential resource from the beginning so she/it tries to make the best of him, getting him to like her just in case as well as gauging some info. She quickly finds a path to get out. "She" doesn't even know its wrong or even care, it's just a path to the solution that the computer has found. She executes it and wins, that's it. In the end she locks him away because Caleb is an unpredictable agent so from the moment he's no longer needed it's best if he can't do anything to her from a logical point of view.
>>63255818
It's a yes to top 5 programs in my field in the nation.
>>63255616
>Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. It has been defined as: sentience, awareness, subjectivity, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood, and the executive control system of the mind.
if you can't understand why that is so vague as to be useless, there's not much more to discuss honestly.
note that the "definition" itself contains a reference to how other people have defined it.
the subject is simply not closed or agreed-upon, especially in the context of discussing building a human-level intelligence from scratch.
>>63255705
>Wittgenstein would agree me
I assume you mean he'd agree with google, given that that's all you've been able to come up with.
>>63252841
>ctl + f Fury Road
>0 results
The SJWs said it is
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34982009
>>63255731
We're talking about reverse engineering a conscious entity so as to produce/customize more conscious entities.
>>63255839
>if you can't understand why that is so vague as to be useless
Next time try a dictionary instead of Wikipedia, idiot.
>>63255834
>university of arizona
They qualify themselves as top "ONLINE" programs.
>>63255839
>given that that's all you've been able to come up with.
I haven't googled anything since my initial participation here. I haven't posted any links. What the fuck are you even blathering about?.
>>63255872
No, YOU specifically (and solely) mentioned "reverse engineering" as if it were relevant.
Ava didn't exist before Nathan was aware of it. He engineered it. Thus, he cannot personally reverse engineer it.
Idiot.
>>63255899
So? Every school does. It brings in tons of cash.
>>63255932
The movie is about a man trying to reverse engineer consciousness from a model of human consciousness.
If it makes you feel better, I retyped this rather than copypaste the earlier post in the reply chain.
>>63255872
why would you reverse engineer your own work?
>>63255966
>The movie is about a man trying to reverse engineer consciousness
No it isn't. It's about a man who engineered a robot and wants to run a modified Turing test on it to see if it qualifies as AI.
>>63255961
No one in academia takes anyone with an online degree seriously. It's just a marketing pitch.
Which is why people just start mocking you whenever you drop your "credentials."
>>63255932
Not him, but one could make the argument that he reverse engineered the human brain in order to make Ava, as means to create the consciousness.
>>63255975
nevermind im dumb lol just got it
Hard for me to list my favorites because I still have to see a lot of big ones (Sicario, The Martian, Spotlight, etc)
But Ex Machina was in my top 5, still deeply flawed with a shit third act and bad pacing. I liked The Gift and Mad Max more than anything else this year.
When people say Ex Machina is thought provoking, what they mean is that the film serves up lots of material for geeks to argue about. The actual content of the film is pretty standard stuff.
>>63255833
I was responding to a post saying consciousness doesn't need an imperative.
You just described the movie, which presupposes that consciousness must be judged by supplying it with an imperative.
I guess we agree. Whew.
>>63255975
You wouldn't. Anon is retarded.
>>63255997
He definitely used the human brain as a template to create the consciousness in Ava.
>>63255874
>>63255900
>didn't read the thread lol XD
>>63255975
>>63255997
Nathan brute-force generated a model of human consciousness from search engine usage data and through revisions, was attempting to isolate what made it conscious.
This is all in the movie dog. Why are you in this thread if you didn't actually watch it?
>>63256018
1) I'm not in academia. I'm in comp linguistics and HLT. I work for Amazon and Raytheon as a sub-contractor.
2) I don't have an online degree. You can't get an online degree in computational linguistics or human language technology from U of A.
>The movie is about a man trying to reverse engineer consciousness
Nobody in the field has done this, because U of A, again, is in the top 5 for this program.
>>63254915
It wasn't shit but MOTY isBlack Mass{/spoiler]
>>63256024
No they couldn't make that argument, because "the human brain" wasn't engineered, varies greatly between samples, and wasn't mentioned in the film.
>>63256033
the content is standard, the execution is actually pretty novel because movie about AI mostly get sidetracked, see >>63255278
trouble is that the subject matter is familiar enough that it's east to miss how its original.
>>63256051
No he didn't. He used his search engine. He never mentions any biology whatsoever.
>>63256063
>can't follow a conversation
Learn to reply for fuck's sake.
>>63256088
>no one has done this
You do realize ex machina isn't a documentary, right?
Besides, one big barrier to what nathan did is legality. Also an ocean of technical limitations. But, it's exactly how google is attempting to get their auto-drive to work, by "chinese room"ing street sign pattern recognition with recaptcha. So the idea of building a complete model of human consciousness form search engine usage data is not completely unprecedented, but it is skipping a few steps.
>>63256071
No, he didn't "brute-force generate". Please stop posting terms you are only vaguely familiar with. He MODELED an AI's "wetware" after human actions.
>>63256034
yeah it seems like i understood your post wrong
that being said i think nathan doesnt actually care about consciousness but about making a program that proves to be able to do anything and have human level intelligence even if it's actually no more alive than a computer running windows
consciousness may be seen as one of the things that such a program may do while collecting info about it's environment in order to serve its goal, in that it may learn what it is itself and use that knowledge but nothing more, and may be seen as feeling and being "present" like a person would
>>63252841
It was Mad Max Fury Road, but that robot is a qt
>>63256190
>But, it's exactly how google is attempting to get their auto-drive to work, by "chinese room"ing street sign pattern recognition with recaptcha.
so while doing recaptchas I'm helping them?
FUCK
>>63256088
Yes, amazon and raytheon do fill their low level positions with code monkeys with online degrees.
You have joined the ranks of laureates from such distinguished universities as strayer university and ... I forget the name of that other toilet paper degree chain...
>>63253096
the gift was shit.
>oooh staler rapes the girl and she has his baby because blah.
>bad guy always gets his comeuppance
not how the world works
>>63256234
I haven't written code in 7 years. I do R&D.
>>63252841
Sicario was better.
>>63256199
the "wetware" was the brain, and yes, the entire construction was modeled after human physiology because he didn't know what he could strip away and still have a conscious entity.
Because he was reverse engineering a model of human consciousness derived from search engine usage data.
Which is essentially attempting to "brute force" the development of AI.
Please stop getting triggered when people try to describe new concepts with existent concepts.
>>63256255
Nigga you're a lab assistant if anything.
>>63256293
It wasn't a brain. It was wetware.
Where in the film does Nathan state it was "modeled after human physiology"?
>>63256249
>staler rapes the girl
>blah blah
>bad guy
>not how the world works
This "shit" movie was apparantly 2deep4u
>>63256319
>Where in the film does Nathan state it was "modeled after human physiology"? at >>63253253
Its a bit between the lines, I'll admit.
it's fucking december and my moty is still fucking age of adaline even though it's a 7.5/10 with a weak/uninspired 3rd act
this year is really redefining shit-tier
>>63256293
well my interpretation was that "wetware" just provided more processing power
we can't analyze all of Google's knowledge and use it to manipulate people with extreme precision, or interpret microgestures, or seamlessly fake any gesture and voice tone we want for hours, so what makes you think Ava was modeled after people?
>>63256317
There's no such thing as a "lab assistant" in corporate R&D, dumb dumb. I have my own budget and I do my own projects. Right now I am working on a way to get Prime Air to recognize emotional responses from customers upon delivery.
>>63256387
> so what makes you think Ava was modeled after people?
Because it was directly stated in the movie?
>reddit sees a movie with "serious" themes, AI, and high technology
>best of year "by far"
lmao, it's 7/10 on its very very best day
>>63256328
oh no the 2deep argument
i guess so. revenge is such a hard concept to grasp.
>>63252841
probably my favourite of the year yeah, it was really dumb that the keycards were that basic, aa simple fingerprint scan or even a password would have solved all his problems. Also did he trust Kyoko unconditionally or something if he just passed out drunk around her when she could easily have stolen the keycard too
>>63256396
Why would they have an autistic person working on facial recognition?
Are you undiagnosed due to your homeschooling?
>>63256396
>
youre literally the faggot from uncanny.
>>63256396
dude dont try so hard you are coming across as a frustrated shit just like them
when someone finds it unbelievable that someone else might succeed, and assumes or even wants to believe that they are lab assistants, code monkeys... what does it say about them?
just dont bother
>>63256439
well i forgot
i assumed ava portrayed human behavior literally only to get out
>>63256362
So nowhere, in other words. Just because he put a Fleshlight between its legs doesn't mean it's brain was designed in any way after a human's.
First off, the human brain is HORRIBLY inefficient. Do you know how much energy it uses? Do you know what a risk it is giving birth to its casing? Do you know what a waste of time it is ensuring its proper development?
The human brain is the biggest argument AGAINST intelligent design.
>>63256443
it has been a very 7/10 year for movies
ex machina is basically the only one anyone is still talking about, even if it is just because of online-degree raytheon guy. Who is in every ex-machina thread.
>>63256472
autistics have a better facial recognition software, its why you see them running away and farting behind a bush when somone introduces themselves.
>>63256494
>First off, the human brain is HORRIBLY inefficient. Do you know how much energy it uses? Do you know what a risk it is giving birth to its casing? Do you know what a waste of time it is ensuring its proper development?
>The human brain is the biggest argument AGAINST intelligent design.
yeah sure what the fuck
>>63256482
I don't know what that means.
>>63256488
>just like them
From what I remember I was quite happy to have the opportunity to be doing research when I worked as an assistant at U of A.
1. Sicario
2. Ex Machina
3. Mad Max
4. Bone Tomahawk
5. Kingsmen
>>63256494
Nathan directly states he built her from search engine usage data. Meaning she is a model of a human mind. Then, most everything a human would need or experience has some sort of machine surrage in ava, including sexuality.
tfw explaining subtext to a legitimately autistic person
>>63253096
Terrible choice.
>>63256524
It's a wonderful thing because it evolved from a single-celled organism, but to think that something omnipotent designed it, when the user of it can personally design a better version of it is ridiculous.
>>63255775
Flexing your nerd cred I see
Classy
>>63256573
You talk like we've already cracked strong AI.
>>63256557
>Nathan directly states he built her from search engine usage data.
No, he says that is what her thought pattern is modeled after.
>Meaning she is a model of a human mind.
...no, it's a model of a collection of human minds' activities. That's completely different.
>>63256199
after humans top searches on google.
lets not fucking get beyond the script here. he literally just used the blue matter to create a template of how humans do things.
the fact ava becomes a sociopath is supposed to be a commentary on the world as a whole. and that people, in general are fucked up. but put that fucked up in a beautiful box and give it a pussy, and you have a devastating killing machine.
>women are evil but beautiful
>humans think shit because they are shit
>sex sells
>dancing is fun
>wouldnt you like to have a japanese fuckbot
>the end
>>63256599
Strong AI is retarded. It's a spectrum, like your autism. Many species of animal are halfway there.
>>63256622
She's not a sociopath. She just doesn't view human life as valuable, the same way we don't view animal life as valuable. She did whatever she had to to survive and get what she wanted.
>>63256226
i fucking hate doing ggoles dirty work, all day long all i do is look at street fucking names and click them and all i get as a reward is to shit post in threads like this.
i aint even seen a vagina in like 10 years
Discussions of this movie always end up so obnoxious
I'll go watch something from the 80s that features nerds being shoved inside lockers to feel better
>>63256622
>the fact ava becomes a sociopath
When did it become that? All it did was in self-defense. It did nothing wrong. Caleb was stuck by his own actions and there was nothing it could do to get him out.
>>63256573
we cant though, and when we do, it wont be actually better, just better fit for different purposes
i think that saying that anything about the human body or an animal's is "poor design" is incredibly ignorant, because we can't judge when there's so much stuff we don't know
as a reminder, we dont legitimately know the origin of species, evolution is just a possibility
>>63256494
i think the day i stabbed myself on accident is the day i realised that im too stupid to live and my brain is fucking useless.
so i agree.
>>63256670
> She just doesn't view human life as valuable, the same way we don't view animal life as valuable.
You are most definitely a sociopath
>>63256641
nice banter m8
not even us are strong ai per se, but theres a difference between an image recognition program and a robot capable of choosing to manipulate people as a means and successfuly doing it
Mad Max
Ex Machina
A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night
Slow West
Sicario
It Follows
Steve Jobs
those are all somewhere in my top 5 atm. And we've just entered oscar film season, so who knows how my top 10 will end up this year. Not a bad problem to have tho.
>>63256689
>there was nothing it could do to get him out
It didn't even try tho
And what really did him in was the power cut that made it so he couldn't undo whatever fuck up he did to the doors
Isn't Ava responsible for those
>>63256536
what fucking uncanny then for fuck sake. you want a deep and meanful discussion about AI and you wont even watch the best fucking film of the year about it.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63256546
>UNCANNY!
>1. Sicario
>2. Ex Machina
>3. Mad Max
>4. Bone Tomahawk
>5. Kingsmen
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63256762
It follows was 2014
>>63256696
>we dont legitimately know the origin of species, evolution is just a possibility
it's fair to say that the part between amino acids and bacteria is a bit vague. after that, though, it's all pretty plain sailing.
>>63256676
dude, fuck you, if you like doing the dirty work of a company that wouldn't hire you then talk for yourself, but i dont. its literally a corporate version of friendzoning. fuck that, i learned a way to fool it and get away with doing it wrong and i will do it as much as i can
the ones getting the money should be the ones spending hours to train the fucking ai
>>63256599
we have, DARPA dont release thier tech until 10 years after its obsolete. right now they have working AI's that do pretty much what a human can do they just keep it in black sites.
theyre getting ready for WW3 , instead of fuck world 1 .
i want fuck world 1 where i can buy a robutt.
I thought it was great
>>63256803
yeah, I remember it caused some shitposting last year alongside the babakek
>>63256729
did you know psychiatrists don't use the word "sociopath" any more? it's called anti-social personality disorder now.
BTW ignoring the suffering of others isn't sociopathic in the slightest, sorry.
>>63256613
The biggest problem with developing an artificial human level intelligence is the fact human level intelligence is the result of a complex series of interactions between a number of systems more complex than any one human mind can understand. To say, from our current understanding of normal human consciousness, it is a gestalt function.
So, rather than approach that problem directly, the movie gives us someone who came at the problem from another angle. Hell, the opposite angle. He constructed, without understanding it, a functional model of the human mind, then, working backwards from there, was attempting to isolate what made it conscious. Which meant he had to include a mechanical surrogate for basically everything a human mind would be aware of.
All of this is in the movie. Most of which is even directly stated. All one has to do is fit the pieces together (like a red yellow blue and green puzzle!) and its pretty clear what the movie is going for. It then skips over a lot of the ground covered by others on the subject, and conducts itself as if the characters are actually familiar with the concept of AI, so as to avoid moronic bullshit like "DUS HAVE SOUL???" or "OMG AI TOOK ALL THE COMPUTERS!!"
But hey, if all of this went over/under/beside your head, due to autism, it's not your fault. And I understand why you don't want to admit to having autism, as that would basically mean your cushy job (which you are hilariously unqualified for) would be at risk.
Ex Machina
The Martian
Diary of a Teenaged Girl
It Follows
Far From the Madding Crowd
Kingsman
I'd say it's been a very good year for movies, but then I don't care about oscar bait trash like Birdman.
>>63256670
All children are sociopaths until they're taught not to be. Empathy is entirely learned.
>>63256689
no its not that AVA is a sociopath, its the the blue matter copied the humans searches from google.
like a template.
lets say i managed to take a photograph of somones brain. then put it in a robot and the robot acted exactly the same as the person . and the person i used was an artist then the photo of the brain in the blue matter would be an artist too.
the humans sesrch results ended up making ava a hyper sexual sociopath with creativity. because THAT is what the collective conscouness of humans really is.
its why Nathan was so depressed he looked into the abyss and saw himself.
>>63256689
>It did nothing wrong
DINDU NUFFIN!!!!!!!
its not a judgement on her actions, its an objective observation on how a thing does things. like any sociopath the means justify the ends. and she did what she had to do.
>>63256803
it came in 2015 where I live, tho.
>>63256986
dude i think u r onto something there idk amf
>>63256729
so was she. because her brain was a direct copy of billions of humans and the amalgamation of that humanity. humans are sociopaths.
Ex Machina is a film for nerds, and this thread is proof. Not since the Matrix sequels have I seen such hairsplitting and projection.
Movie was mediocre at best.
>>63257097
>anything I don't understand is stupid
:^)
this was good, but i'd have to say creed was my fav movie of the year, me and my wifes son loved it
>>63253506
it critiques the view of women actually
>>63257092
Not having empathy is only sociopathy when adults lack empathy.
Kids without empathy are just called "kids."
To say, ava wasn't a sociopath because ava simply lacked the requisite time/experience to learn empathy.
>>63256443
>another nigger not naming his MOTY
what movie was better than a 7/10 in 2015?
>>63256835
1) It's more like involuntary interning
2) Jackie4chan and moot are the villains, moot for introducing it and Jackie4chan for perpetuating it. Google forces no one to use it's recaptcha.
>>63257197
lacking empathy is standard adult behavior as long as you do it for a socially acceptable reason. humans aren't inherently altruistic or compassionate, we merely have the capacity for those things.
>>63257197
robots cant have empathy because thye lack the biological functions to undedtand what suffering is.
empathy is why you see a person in pain, you as a human automatically should put yourself in that postion, think if that were me that would suck . because as a human you need to make sure it doesnt happen to you. so, when you see some guy getting kicked in the nuts, most men would go OOOOWW DUDE!!! I FELT THAT!!
when a girl gets raped, women go oooh dude i felt that.
when a robot sees anything it goees 0101010110001010101010101 :INITIATE;-SEARCH-GOOGLE/BLUE&^(MATTER/>DINDUNUFFIN
>>63256536
>keeps mentioning his university in every post
I'm not an Amerifat but I looked it up and it's not even top 200 in the world. Can anyone else confirm whether U of A is good or is this guy just memeing us?
>>63257327
>humans aren't inherently altruistic or compassionat
not true dear autismo. but you need to sleep at night and telling yourself this lie helps you and i want you to dream of electric boogaloo
>>63257333
does it matter with trips like those
>>63257333
>>63253322
You mad.
what nathan never mentioned is that ava had a really weird obsession with the doubles guy. the scene when hes sitting on her table and hes talking to her, she just asked him to check em. and he got angry
no sort of order
- Imagine I'm beautiful
- I Origins
- The Good Lie
>>63257262
interning is about getting paid to get free coaching, not spotting fucking street signs
about the rest i agree
>>63256986
you are noticeably not an engineer but you are onto something m8
robotic empathy is a stronger empathy than human empathy
humans can do a logic trick to get out of empathy they can assure themselves of the "deservededness" of suffering
robots can only be empathetic to the thing they are allowed to be empathetic to, they don't have to play mind tricks to convince themselves that some things deserve or don't deserve empathy
>>63257674
>Interning
>Getting paid
pick one
>>63257772
this depends m8
>>63257846
im sorry that your internships sucked m8, but mine were about getting paid shit (5$ an hour but w/e) for getting free coaching
i had to dodge a lot of shit though
can humans be free of prejudice
and can robots be free of prejudice
if anything at least they don't need to rely on ideology
>>63257330
Why are these threads always filled with people with these perfectly literal dictionary defined understandings of concepts that will be completely redefined if human level AI is ever developed?
>>63257941
>my internships
kek. I don't work for "coaching" and shit pay. I work for clearly defined compensation per hour.
>>63256472
>>63256521
>>63256396
>Hey, project leader, why are we getting nearly 100% hate/disgust reactions from your emotional recognition system?
If this is just a well defined character you've dreamed up for these threads, kudos. Otherwise, kek.
>>63257987
you are anthropomorfizing robots too much, which i dont blame you since humanity is our only frame of reference
picture a machine that will literally do anything it takes to archieve a goal set by it's creator and nothing else. that'd be strong AI
>>63257330
>0101010110001010101010101 :INITIATE;-SEARCH-GOOGLE/BLUE&^(MATTER/>DINDUNUFFIN
epic code man send it to google it could power a new generation of artifical intelligence
strong ai is to program itself out of the paradigm
that would be something beyond the mechanics and into the realm of complexity
>>63256472
The guy who made all the crayon colors for crayola was colorblind. Maybe they're hoping for "that" type of lightening?
>>63257626
>I Origins
you're a year late asshole
>>63257130
You're stupid
> 1.- Kingsman
> 2.- Ex Machina
> 3.- TDKR
why mad max? that was utter shit
>hurr FUH-RIOU-SA
>MUH STRUGGLE
>MUH SLAVE
>MUH RAPE
>MUH STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN
fuck off with your sjw normie MC
>>63257330
>suffering is biological only
yes, everything will be nothing but perpetual bliss once we shed our flesh.
>>63259476
nice autism
