After putting it off for so long, I finally watched Starship Troopers. Why wasn't this movie more successful? Was the satire too subtle for the 90s public? Was the obvious "the good guys are basically fascists" so off-putting for that time?
>>63233113
You pretty much got it with those last two lines. Throw in the fans of the book not getting what they wanted. It's a movie for cynical action and gore buffs.
>>63233113
Hyper-violence died in the 80s and audiences wanted more moody crap.
>>63233113
>>63233113
what? im my time star ship trooper was one of the most hype films ever. we all watched it loved it was fucking awesome.
>>63233113
>Why wasn't this movie more successful
I'm thinking you were shitting your diapers when it came out and have no idea how popular it actually was.
>>63233113
The only people I knew that didn't like it were the bookfags complaining about how it was nothing like the book.
Hell, it was even the first DVD I bought.
>>63233428
I'm actually not american, back then we didn't hear about a lot of things. I judged the "lack of success" by its earnings, which were pretty garbage for the budget.
There's no trick here, anon. Everyone saw the satire 'behnd' the action flick. We just all thought it was shit at that too.
>>63233447
I liked it and discovered the book this year. It is a decent movie but it is probably the worst adaption out there, the book was so odd in comparison.
OP, the problem is that American audiences are too thick to get satire. I understood what Verhoeven was doing and LOVE this movie. I wish he could do a sequel with todays technology and let it rip!!!FACT!!!
>>63233113
>Was the satire too subtle for the 90s public?
I don't know a single person who got the satire.
I recall seeing it twice in theaters.
But, I was also too young to get the satire.
>le Starship troopers is actually biting satire meme
Fuck off. It's a flick and nothing more.
>>63233113
It was cheesedick. We expect more from the man who gave us Total Recall and Robocop.
>>63233738
Come on, it's obvious!
>kids stomping bugs in with the cheering mother behind them
>all the propaganda footage
>"the idea of a smart bug is OFFENSIVE to me!"
>>63233891
Robocop is one of the best films ever made.
>there are people who think this movie was meant to be satire because they read it was satire on the internet without thinking for themselves
Earth is basically a paradise in this movie.
>>63233990
People need to read something online to know this is satire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMTz9nIUkGc&app=desktop
>>63234116
>memed
memed
>>63233990
>earth is a paradise
No it's not, people are separated into two classes and in order to stop being a "have not" is to throw yourself into a ridiculously pointless war machine, lead by people who would make Stalin blush with their cannon fodder tactics. Plus that you have maimed people all over the place exactly due to this military complex disregard for human life.
To top that off, the move starts with a school lecture talking about how democracy is bad. Nice paradise, indeed!
>>63234116
Because this is a reality for dumb yanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq-ZVIZJaI8
>>63233915
I love action movies.
No.
>>63234205
>>le Starship troopers is actually biting satire meme
>>63234206
>that pussy shit
superior recruiting video coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62tnJtLBQzQ
>>63234205
>No it's not, people are separated into two classes and in order to stop being a "have not" is to throw yourself into a ridiculously pointless war machine
ricos parents are wealthy and none of them are citizens, citizenship isn't a requirement to be successful, that's true in the book and movie
>>63233113
>satire
Its clearly a pastiche
>>63234456
But Rico's parents are looked down upon because of that, people in that universe believe that only citizens are entitled to living a comfy life.
>>63234443
Now compare it to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvMPaeUvvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOhvjBwuix4
>>63233913
Oh the offensive guy was so obnoxious, I wanted to punch that fuck everytime Insaw him
>>63234532
>become a commando! drink tea!
>the beat-boxing in the second one
holy shit I am dying
>>63234515
>looked down upon by poor people
They should revive this genre with StarCraft
and Starwars needs to die already.
>>63233113
>>63233113
The novel basically has the whole world in a militaristic system.
No one can run for office or serve in the public sector unless they join the service for a certain amount of time. I think it's also stated that you can't vote unless you served.
On paper it sounded pretty good. Only the capable would lead and merit mattered more than family name or wealth. On paper.
Read the book man. It's pretty interesting and IIRC it was a great influence on the whole space marine thing and on sci fi in general.
The movie was a total shit fest and didn't even come close to what the book was trying to convey. I guess they really needed a name to attach to a D movie.
>>63234205
>throw yourself into a ridiculously pointless war machine
>ridiculously pointless war machine
>pointless war machine
Look at this sissy piece of shit liberal hippie.
Derr, I'm a pacifist. War is wrong and enslaving other people's and taking their resources is "pointless". Hurrrr, I have a vagina where my penis once was.
Just go back to reddit, you make me sick.
>>63234532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4zdgKK8_-E
>tfw you're a fascist and choose to enjoy the movie for surface level reasons
>people didn't get the satire
This is my favorite meme
Everyone got the satire . The problem was that the movie came out too late, it was after these types of action flicks were popular
Though the movie was fairly popular anyway ...so whatever
>>63233113
How would satire keep people from seeing it, that's a problem people would have after seeing it. The problem was at the time big sci-fi action wasn't exactly in and also Starship Troopers isn't even a conventional sci-fi action movie so it's a harder sell. The young, pretty and not too famous cast and weird premise can make the movie seem strange at a glance. If I had to sell Starship Troopers as a trailer that had to appeal to normalfaggots I have no idea how I'd do it.
Every use of the word satire in this thread is hurting my head.
I used to think Casper Van Dien was hot.
The fuck was I thinking?
>>63233113
>the good guys are fascists
>basically a democracy where the main criteria to vote is past military service
>>63235820
It's because Heinlein was former military.
It's always the same:
Philosophers want a society where philosophers are kings.
Soldiers want a society where soldiers are kings.
It doesn't work that way.
>>63236192
What the fuck are you thinking now? Van Dien is looking better as he ages.
>>63236224
>>63236203
You guys sound like really deep thinkers.
>>63233913
The levels of satire were great in this movie.
>none of the cast looked like they were highshoolers. They were all attractive folks. Some movies try to make older cast members look younger, they clearly didn't even try here.
>join military and they all love it and have a great time and develop sweet friendships
>after watching this movie you kinda wanna join the military and squash some bugs
Starship Troopers is a movie they would show in the Starship Troopers universe.
>ever
>wanting Carmen over Dizzy
Why was Rico such a kek?
>>63236361
Because that isn't fascism? Military service implies you are willing to die for and serve your country, if anything it weeds out some opportunists.
>>63236423
>wanting the mannish slut that throws pussy at you
>not wanting the 10/10 qt goddess that makes you work for it
Only betas go for the easy kill. Rico was after the big prize.
>>63236547
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying who gives a shit. You're meme-text has me seeing you as some euphoria-warrior who thinks he's hot shit because he could handle the based truths Verhoeven was dishing out unlike the sheeple.
>>63236591
>only went back to Rico after the other guy got killed
>>63236547
No, it means you are willing to take the risks in order to grasp the status and perks. If anything, opportunists would go in droves for the easy road up. And in a state where only with that service you get those perks, it's obvious why this was "the easy road up"
>>63236423
>Why was Rico such a kek?
The movie is popular because the satire is hidden underneath the plot. It still can be enjoyed as a straightforward action film despite the more satirical elements. Same with RoboCop.
That being said I don't understand how /tv/ pretends its a pro-fascist film. Verhoven admits its a satire and that Carmen is a "strong feminist character".
BUENOS AIRES WAS A FALSE FLAG
>BUENOS AIRES WAS A FALSE FLAG
BUENOS AIRES WAS A FALSE FLAG
>BUENOS AIRES WAS A FALSE FLAG
BUENOS AIRES WAS A FALSE FLAG
>>63236751
Nobody says that it's a pro-fascist film, only that the parallels between fascist totalitarianism and the regime portrayed in the movie are quite obvious.
>>63233519
Not everyone, which is great. It's one of those movies where you watch it with a group of people and get several different reactions. It came out when I was a teen and some of the dumber kids definitely did not get the satire and even agreed with the political messages.
I'll always respect Verhoeven for being able to ride that line and actually fool stupid fascists into outing themselves.
>>63236751
>That being said I don't understand how /tv/ pretends its a pro-fascist film. Verhoven admits its a satire and that Carmen is a "strong feminist character".
It's satire about pro-fascism because the book was actually pro fascism in a lot of aspects and glorified as such.
>>63236693
Fuck you man! You stole the pic I was about to post!
>mfw I get keked trying to call Rico a kek
If they were from Buenos Ares shouldn't they be black or Mexican looking?
>>63236591
>Wanting the disloyal, personality-deficient mannequin over the tough, hot quarterback qt that would give her life for youand who aged considerably better
>>63233113
The hero was supposed to be Filipino.
Fuck Hollywood and fuck all you racist niggers who support this bullshit.
>>63236676
>deal with grueling boot camp training where if your not getting your hand knifed by your CO your getting your head blown off accidentally. Or getting your arm broken. Or getting hazed.
>after boot camp risking life and limb in dangerous missions
>the easy way up
>>63236608
No, I am not a euphoric Verhoeven fanboy poster- I enjoyed the Robocop remake. See, no Verhoeven fanboy could willingly admit that, now call me a pleb.
>>63233600
> implying there weren't enough shitty starship troopers sequels
>>63234532
>female IT technician
>female bricklayer
mfw
I grew up playing starcraft and watching starship troopers, for me they are kind of one and the same
>>63236361
>You guys sound like really deep thinkers.
In this shallow pond, any kind of analysis will appear deep.
>>63236785
>outing themselves
What are you, some NKVD officer?
>>63233447
An Starship Troopers movie actually based off the book would be fucking great, but the one we got was also pretty great in its own way.
>mfw someone near me doesn't like Starship Troopers
>>63236910
Compare that to the lack of any other alternative to climb higher up and that boot camp sounds like the best way to do it. And that's assuming you get assigned there and not somewhere else with easier conditions.
>>63234205
>throw yourself into a ridiculously pointless war machine
The book is more clear about there being other options for Federal Service to become a citizen than military service, it just so happens that Rico chooses the Mobile Infantry.
>>63237081
Weren't people assigned according to a test? Jenkins was sort of bummed out for being sent somewhere else from what he initially wanted. Rico was a typical jarhead though, so it makes sense for him to be sent to infantry.
I was always annoyed that the rifles they had were so completely ineffective against the bugs. Christ you've been fighting for a long ass time, issue 50 cals or something at least.
>>63233113
>63233113
im surprised this hasnt been reebooted yet
>>63237006
>>63233528
I hear that theanimeis fairly faithful.
I was fucking shocked to find out that exists though.
>>63233519
A lot of contemporary critics thought it was a straight endorsement of "post-racist, post-feminist" fascism, and thought Verhoeven talking about satire was a cover for this unconscionable movie he just made.
>>63237147
>Weren't people assigned according to a test?
They did in fact join up with military service in mind, but it was stated plainly in the book that there was non-combat duty if you weren't fit for it and Heinlein commented that of course there were civilian services to gain citizenship. The book was Heinlein exploring the concept of an earned franchise, the movie was Verhoeven reading 20 pages into the book, deciding it was pure militarism and then doing his best to shit on that.
>>63233113
It was anything but subtle, you dumb fuck.
It was also a disgrace to the book.
Not saying the book was good, its just movie did it very little justice.
>>63233505
>Not American
Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
>>63236848
46 years old and still hot as fuck
>>63237669
Because I'm so pathetic that I'll screw it up and then be saved by the public healthcare system without sending me into years of debts. Or something along those lines
How can people not like this movie? It's hilarious and awesome. You can enjoy it as satire and enjoy it as gory alien monster movie.
Maybe everyone read the book and realized how much better it was than the movie.
>Starship troopers
>No power armour
>No Skinnies
>>63237722
>public healthcare
Don't worry, even if you manage to screw it up, you'll probably die from starvation waiting for your turn at the doctor
>>63237722
Clearly you're not from Denmark.
>>63237893
>die from starvation waiting for your turn at the doctor
This sort of problem would be easily solved by going to the closest burger place and get shot like it happens in USA
>>63237755
>Muh Power Armor
Literally who cares? Not being in power armor makes them more vulnerable, which in turn makes it more interesting
>>63233891
Robocop <Starship Troopers<Total Recall
>>63237743
>You can enjoy it as satire and enjoy it as gory alien monster movie
this
>>63233738
>being this dense
>Was the satire too subtle for the 90s public?
Pretty much this. Apparently a lot of reviewers have been going back to the film and writing about how they didn't give it the review it deserved back then because they "didn't get it"
>>63237349
You can watch it on youtube, I kind of like it but it has a cheap feeling like most 80s OVAs.
>>63238458
9/11 hadn't happened. it was a completely different world. plus, movies were made just to show off CGI back then.
>>63238493
2bh (two be honest) the CGI holds up pretty well for an 18 year old movie. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that half of the budget went there.
>>63233113
it's a racist whitewashed movie. if you thought they were white in the book you were wrong
>>63233113
>Why wasn't this movie more successful?
No big name actors and weak marketing. That's it. Stop looking too far into it.
>>63236843
Argentina is white
>just want to watch a movie about space marines fighting the aliums
>hey look this is a good one, i like it!
>years later
>NOT SO SUBTLE FASCIST SATIRE! SUCH DEPTH! SUCH POLITICAL COMMENTARY FOR A WORLD THAT WASNT READY!
art ruins everything
>>63238881
I love this meme
>>63238793
I read the book after watching the movie, so I pictured all the characters as their actorsincluding Dizzy.
>>63238881
0/10
>>63238891
[spoilers]yes[/spoilers]
>>63237147
>Rico was a typical jarhead though
He really wasn't, at least not in the book, he goes from being a fairly competent enlisted infantryman to an incredibly competent platoon leader after he goes to Officer Candidate School and takes over the Roughnecks.
>>63236785
>fedora tipping intensifies
Shut up you goofnigger, Verhoeven is a pro-fascist, he admires the Nazis and wants to make more films from the German side of things.
The world of Starship Troopers isn't fascist, it puts a focus on citizen public service as most European countries do and America would do if it wasn't a corrupt shithole.
A democracy with a hegemony council and public service qualifier for votership=/=fascism, open democracy is a complete failure once the state it represents stops being monocultural or monoethnic and the voter base is split between too many races and creeds, as we see now.
Why was this movie released in November?
Was it not as cyclical then, with blockbusters during the summer, and oscarbait in the winter?
This could have done a lot better in the summer, seems like it was dumped.
It was a shit tier satire. It was too out and the open and not subtle enough.
It's funny because it was supposed to make fascists look bad but it made it really appealing desu.
>>63233113
it was just cheesy.
and they beat you over the head with OH LOOK WE'RE JUST LIKE THE NAZIS.
not subtle just a circle jerk
>>63237755
not having power armor was a cost thing
maybe now with all the CGI shit we can do, a proper power armor flick could be made.
>>63239399
>adaptation of Tomino's original vision for Mobile Suit Gundam
yes please
>>63233113
IM FROM THE TOILET AND I SAY FLUSH THEM ALL
Problem is... they show the society as being a Facist-ish state... but don't show that as being a bad thing.
They don't show anyone being forced into soldiering, they don't show any irrational and unjustified laws or punishments and such... don't show it being a police state, don't show the government killing or harming it's own citizens besides sending them off to die in a justified war...
>>63233113
>dude satire lmao
It's really painfully obvious so I doubt it could be "too subtle" for most people. Just because it is a bit satirical doesn't make it a good movie either. If the fans of this movie really love the "satire" in this movie there are much better movies that do that, but really I think they just like to say "you didn't get it."
>>63239676
You're overestimating the average movie watchers intelligence.
I'm willing to be 75% of the people that watched it didn't realize it was satire.
>>63239691
75% of its theater audience were probably under 16 and that's probably held true of first time viewers in the 18 years since.
>>63233113
Because it was shit. "OH BUT IT'S SATIRE SO IT M" SHUT THE FUCK UP SATIRE DOESN'T MAKE SHIT NOT SHIT! IT'S SHIT!
S
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THAT SPELLS STARSHIP TROOPERS!
>>63239691
I am not though. I hate it when people act like most people are retards. You're probably not that much smarter than the average movie goer yet you got it.
> which he called a "...satire, a ruthlessly funny and keenly self-aware sendup of right-wing militarism...[that] critiques the military-industrial complex, the jingoism of American foreign policy, and a culture that privileges reactionary violence over sensitivity and reason.
Yes... we should be sensitive and reasonable to giant killer bugs that consume whatever life forms they come across...
Jingosim is bad when we take the fight to beings that intend our Annihilation...
Liberals really are mother fucking retarded...
>>63239676
Just like everything Verhoeven does, first it's a very well crafted (sci fi in this case) film, and then it's a satire. And satire doesn't mean everything's a joke. The film takes the story andcharacters very seriously, for example, and that's part of its appeal.
Maybe you should see it gain.
>>63239730
> I hate it when people act like most people are retards.
they fucking are, and the fact that you don't realize means you're probably just a retard.
movie audiences, like the general populace are fucking dumb. why do you think film quality has degraded at the same rate as people getting more and more retarded?
eh some teacher once told me what killed this was the R rating.
makes sense since everyone over 16 probably rolled their eyes at everything but the fight scenes.
>>63239730
yeah, everyone is an intelligent movie goer
t. capeshit and Cameron fan
>>63239837
Not him, and I agree with you except on one point, people have always been just as retarded as now. And film quality has been the same as it is now: 90 per cent shit. The classic era looks better cause we haven't forget the good films. But back then they were also throwing shit with a fan, franchises and teen movies included.
>>63238891
You can still completely enjoy it as a movie about space marines fighting the aliums. Don't be a fag.
>>63239314
This. It's hilarious seeing people here try to act like people hate the movie because they missed the satire when in reality it's the exact opposite.
>>63239943
I'll concede that you're probably right, most movies have always been shit. But franchises and reboots are way more common now.
The "political commentary" is pretty thin, it succeeds far better as entertainment.
>>63239535
That was Verhoeven's biggest failure in this. He believed that showing fascism at its best would somehow make the failings in it he's percieved more obvious:
>If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships, but it's only good for killing fucking bugs!
Why should we assume it's only good for that? That's all you've chosen to show us, Paul.
>>63240009
>franchises and reboots are way more common now.
http://www.imdb.com/find?q=three%20musketeers&s=tt&ttype=ft&ref_=fn_ft
Honestly I feel like the Halo series incorperated the material from starship troopers the best. There is something inherently appealing of the entire human race becoming one entity to fight the big bad alien scum.
>>63239943
Back then blockbusters were actually good though, just look at films like Lawrence of Arabia, Jaws, Jurassic Park, and so on. Compare them to the highest grossing movies now, and it's undeniable that the quality of films has been declining. It was harder back then to make shit and get away with it since film production costs were higher then than they are now. With the advent of digital filmmaking and the democratisation of the medium it has become growingly easier for more shit to be made and distributed. Sure there was also a lot of shit back then, but the ratio of good movies to shit was far better.
What's with these people thinking satire should be subtle?
Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. Subtlety is not a good quality per se.
Enough with the false dichotomies.
>>63233113
It's the most important movie of my formative early teens and still influences me.
>>63240009
Have you heard of Charlie Chan, Andy hardy, fucking Tarzan. They have 20 films each, all made in the 30s and 40s. There's always been franchises.
>>63240269
Every Charlie Chan was gold.
>>63233113
Am I the only one to come out of this convinced that a collectivist, militarist humanity under one government would be far superior and effective compared to the tribal, capitalist mess that we have today?
>>63239837
They aren't though. If you went to the movie theatre and talked to a few people you would notice that they are normal people and are just as intelligent as you. People might not have "patrician" taste but that doesn't mean that the average person is a mindless idiot who is unable to understand the most basic themes of a movie. It would be pretty easy for them to notice how the movie forces itself as a satirical fascist pastiche.
>>63240305
Congratulations anon, you took the red pill
>>63240305
So basically communism.
>>63240391
> that facial hair
Why. Beards are for dudes with weak jaws.
>>63240182
Jaws, Lawrence of Arabia and Jurassic Park were great, yes, but those are still exceptions. How about Home Alone, Love Story or The Ten Commandmets? Mediocre films have always reached the top of the charts. I'll concede you that this is a shit decade for the multiplex, the seventies were better at that sort of thing. But on other types of cinema (film festivals for example) films are a lot better than the 50s or 40s.
It really all depends.
>>63240425
He married a Jewish succubus.
>>63240391
Prime example of before and after the wall.TICK TOCK, ROASTIES
>>63240425
>Beards are for dudes with weak jaws.
You're stupid, dude.
>>63240305
The movie really doesn't portray any downside to it. In real life we have plenty of bad examples of military dictatorships, few of whom give much more than lip-service to global designs. We'd much likelier end up with 1984 than Starship Troopers.
Also, under a true global government we really wouldn't really need a military per se, at least not until/unless we came into contact with hostile aliens. There's a case to be made for either or both of world government and earned citizenship, but it wouldn't look much like this movie.
>>63240483
He has a 10/10 jawline. There is literally zero reason for him to have a beard.
>>63240391
she aged like dogshit wow
>>63240395
No, fascism..
Instead of squabbling over iPhones and coal prices and other petty crap, a collectivist system would give FOCUS to humanity. Free enterprise would be left intact but the government would direct strategic efforts, such as space colonization, the military etc.
The last obstacle stopping us from the stars are the shackles of capitalism.
>>63240495
No, think of the Swiss government, but on a global level. That's more what the Federation was like.
>>63240519
well she did marry charlie sheen.
>>63240550
I would say so, but I don't think that's necessarily what it would look like in reality. There'd be no hypothetical enemy for swiss style anti-invasion infrastructures. If the world of today slips into military leadership left and right it's likely to suck almost everywhere. A true analogue to Heinlein's ST world would be hard to come by.
>>63240523
You haven't thought this through. Capitalism is unavoidable. Every time it's ever been suppressed has been disastrous. Capitalism is a result of human nature; people only do anything for themselves. There's never been an unselfish act.
Pretending morality is going to keep humanity in line has never worked, doesn't work, and will never work, because it's arbitrary and enforced by nothing but ignorance, which is temporary.
Even if Capitalism wasn't demonstrably more efficient and more often in line with general notions of morality, I'd still be anti-collectivist for the reasons above. Capitalism simply the only thing that works.
>>63240305
Like communism, fascism, theocracy, free-market capitalism and lolbertarianism, it sounds fantastic... in theory.
I'm a proponent of the "It Just Takes One Person To Fuck It Up For Everyone Else" theory of idea implementation. Every theory sounds great, until you implement it and (surprise!) people fuck it up. Lots of theories started out great under one leader, or ten leaders, only to crash and burn when that ONE ASSHOLE got the reins and ruined everything for everyone.
Examples:
Theory: Hey, here's a form of government where everything is shared equally and there isn't any private property.
Humans implementing said theory: corruption, secret police, gulags, bread lines, shortages of everything else.
Theory: here's a form of government where the only law is the Bible and Christ's love
Humans implementing said theory: crusades against other Christians, witch burnings, the Inquisition, Church-sanctioned enslavement and murder, some corrupt Popeswhere the first Church service they attended in full was their funeral. Seriously, look it up
Theory: With no cumbersome regulations, the market will be the only arbiter of commerce, competition will always result in the best product, and the forces of supply and demand will self-regulate.
Humans implementing said theory: first asshole across the finish line (e.g. Rockefeller) rigs the game in his own favor, starts a monopoly, drives competitors out of business.
TL;DR you might want to consider why the governments similar to your "collectivist, militarist" ideal aren't around anymore. My theory? It doesn't work, you'd give up a lot more than you gained, and there's a reason there isn't such a government around today.
The grass is always greener m8
>>63236945
>playing the UED campaign after watching starship troopers
fuck me, that was incredible.
>>63240792
>Capitalism is unavoidable
It is now, because we don't have anything better to replace it. It works because it's imperfect but simple. There's an elegance to it's primitiveness, but it's still a very brutal system that doesn't utilize mankind's assets very well or fully.
Someday (if we don't eradicate ourselves) we'll come up with a better system. There are inherent flaws to a capitalist system, ones that are only beginning to become apparent.
Quick example: growth
You might think "But growth is good..." And so we define it as a (or sometimes the only) measure of success for economies, corporations, populations, etc etc.
But constant growth is very bad. It demands gradual destruction of the environment. It necessitates the importation of immigrants from less developed countries, which foments social unrest and drives wages down. It demands a constantly-growing population to keep the economy constantly growing, to the point where overpopulation is becoming a serious concern. All because our system demands that nothing successful can ever stay the same, it HAS to grow or it isn't successful.
It was shit satire because Vowhore was such a massive pleb that he couldn't even manage to finish the book that he was attempting to satirize. It's not a good movie and if you take it as anything more than a foofy action flick you will be disappointed.
>>63236945
>>63241035
>mfw that second-to-last Terran Brood War mission
>mfw TRYING TO REACH THE MANUAL OVERRIDE TERMINAL"Gerard... old friend. You do indeed have a traitor in your midst... but it's not me. Duran. He has been playing us both from the start... He convinced you to destroy the Psi Disrupter... even though it was our best chance at defeating the Zerg. And then, on Aiur, ...he allowed the Zerg to overrun us even as we had the fugitives in our grasp. I came here... to activate the one hope we have of defeating them... And you killed me for it. Heh, heh... Duran is your enemy Gerard. I suspect... that he may even be infested as well... Use the Disrupter, Gerard... Finish our operation... Let my death have at least some meaning."
Zegama Beach. . .
>>63234205
But democracy is objectively shit
God fucking dammit she has the GOAT DSL
>>63233113
>too subtle
are you serious?
>>63240523
>Free enterprise would be left intact but the government would direct strategic efforts, such as space colonization, the military etc.
You just described Liberal Capitalism.
>>63241186
>blizzard will never make anything as moving as the brood war intro ever againthat burrowed defiler in the 2nd to last room
>>63241197
>But democracy is objectively shit
tbqh I don't think it's ever been really tried.
what we have now is just a bunch of richy and powerful people handpicking candidates and then using the media to convince the plebs to vote for their team because team X is better than team Y.
>>63241307
>blizzard will never make anything as moving as the brood war intro ever again
You're goddam right. How did they fuck up HotS so bad? I feel like high schoolers could have written a much better story, and I'm not exaggerating
>>63236192
He is hot, manlet though
I'm glad they whitewashed Rico with. him
>>63240519
Buddy, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but most women age like dog shit. Denise Richards has actually aged more gracefully than the average female. You'd be extremely lucky to find a wife who will look this good at 44.
>>63241510
Agreed. She has the same thing going as Winona Ryder--so much cuter while younger, but still so much hotter at that age than most women, and still today so much more attractive than most women in her age range, even though there's a disappointing drop.
>>63240909
>>63240792
>>63241096
as a /his/fag i'm vomiting internally
didn't realise i'd stumbled upon reddit
>>63241387
because their chief writer wanted to write happy stories
>>63233113
his "satire" always goes too far and loops back on itself and stops being satire
the "fascists" really are the good guys protecting the planet and every living human because they really are fighting an external threat trying to exterminate them
its like saying
>ha americans are so dumb i bet they dont even want forced diversity and political agendas and pandering to every possible demographic
>i bet all stupid americans want in an action movie is attractive white men, attractive white women, lots of action and tits!
yes Verhoeven. that is actually exactly what i want in action movies
>>63240391
Denise would look better if she gained a few pounds.
>>63243377
I recall an attractive set of black tits in the movie as well.
>>63238891
You can still like it for that, but the thing is, it will never be just about infantry killing bugs.
If you read a book about some guy talking a walk on the beach, the book is most likely not about some guy walking on the beach underneath the surface
>>63241096
>we don't have anything better to replace it
And we never will. Profit and loss are what you get when you break down all motives to their core. Self interest is what drives people, and nothing is going to change that ever.
As far as growth, the universe is infinite. If human ambition isn't restrained by human ignorance we'll be spread out amongst the universe long before Earth is unlivable. Best way to achieve this is to get the fuck out of our own way and hope for the best. No one is in control.
>>63239729
The quality is great though, especially the cgi.
The acting is kinda cheesy at times, but that was actually the whole point, casting beverly hills youngsters going out to die for the federation. It went over the critics' heads
>>63241349
Democracy requires an authority figure, and that's why it's shit. Belief in authority is the issue. The idea that anyone is really in charge of anything is pure superstition, but the belief effects us all.
>>63233113
It had went up against Titanic at the time.
why the fuck are so many people talking about the satire? do you guys seriously watch movies solely for satirical moments?
>dohohoho I understand that this is a reference to the military industrial complex! amazing satire!
>ahahahahahha I understand that this is critiquing the political system! what a wonderful comparison!
>ehehehehe I understand that this is a parallel to feminism! truly revolutionary filmmaking!
what the fuck is wrong with you people? youre supposed to laugh and cheer when the soldiers fuck up some bugs, not that gay ass philosophical shit
>>63233113
id say it was incredibly successful considering it was pro war propaganda aimed at indoctrinating a peactime pre-911 america to join the military brainwashing people into believing the horrors of war, no matter how terrifyingly nighmareish, has its merrits and benefits
>>63244066
the movie deviated from the message of the book about them being fascists and was more about the honor of service and the importance of serving the cause
>iconic science fiction story that is appealing to a wide audience
>director says, "lol fuck that wee lmao" and tries to make a satirical movie about facist Americans
Movie flops because people are too dense to get the satire, or do understand it and then realize what a shit job it was.
It was like babby's first look at politics and the realization that a facist state can only work with a population brainwashed into believing an exterior threat is big enough to give away personal liberty for the survival of the state.
I like to pretend that the satire found in Starship Troopers isn't about a fascist society, or even propaganda movies.
I like to think that its a satire of a satirical film, considering just how absolutely ridiculous the "really" satirical parts are. They're just slapstick stupid.
The funny thing about Verhoven's films is that while they make fun of fascism they certainly make you want it.
You can't help but smile at the end of starship troopers.
>>63244170
thats a light hearted view
the news clips were kinda funny at times in a dark way
>>63241510
the HIV prolly doesnt help
>>63244237
it also helps absolve the film of being left wing as fuck.
I really wish some of the more interesting parts of the book were actually in the film, for example the puppy discipline explanation of criminals.
>reddit still trying to convince itself that all the redpilled scenes were "satire"
Keep telling it to yourself but it won't make it any less true lel
>bawww not muh book bawww
>>63236423
Yeah but those fucking tits
Enough to make me kill myself on our wedding night
>>63240391
Rico growing older made him transform into Viggo
>>63237349
It's great. More people need to watch that.
>wake up
>see my thread still up
>>63233113
what the fuck are you on about every loved this film there were lines of toys,games,that fucking tv cgi show rico's roughnecks
starships troopers was and is fantastic, shame about the sequels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk
>>63240391
man rico is one handsome motherfucker
yet again men age like fine wine and women age like milk
>>63233113
When this came out this popular as fuck with all my friends, what world were you living in?
>>63234515
Citizens are people who joined the Federal Service and were honorably discharged and given franchise. Joining the Federal Service does not necessarily mean the military, and applicants may be assigned to any field where they sacrifice their time and effort for the Federation (Teaching, any of the civil services, experimental test subjects, etc), though military service is the most glorified. It all falls under Federal Service.
>you will never live in a nation where military or governmental service is required for full citizenship, thus educating voters so they make rational choices of leadership instead of who looks better kissing babies
HEINLEIN TAKE ME AWAY
>>63233428
haha yep.
"i never heard of it until now" = "not successful"
self-obsessed millennials.
I think I may be that rare breed of person that enjoyed both the movie and the book equally for what they were even though they had little in common.
Am I seriously the only one who got that the Federation meteor'd themselves?
Unless we're in a very high meta-trolling dimension I'd expect to see more people explaining that's one of the reasons why they were evil.
>>63244139
>>iconic science fiction story that is appealing to a wide audience
The book is shit and only appeals to jarheads and wan/k/ers
>>63237147
>Rico was a typical jarhead though, so it makes sense for him to be sent to infantry.
Mobile Infantry was his last choice He wanted to be a pilot but didn't have the test scores required and on a whole list of possible jobs the only two he was left with was MI and the k9 unit and he lost the chance for k9 when the recruiter found out that his dog never slept at the foot of his bed.
>>63236388
underrated reply
>>63252128
Not really that rare; I haven't met anyone that strongly disliked the movie even though they read the book or vice-versa.
I've got a real boner for Heinlein and Dick, and I'm very glad that the movie was done in such a different fashion. I don't think that a faithful adaptation of the novel would even work very well; this is coming from a gigantic classic sci-fi fan.
>bad acting
>terrible cinematography
>a few moments of obvious political commentary that even a blind man can see
>gets praised as genius satire
>>63240792
No it's not. Pump people full of Soma and they won't even need Iphones and all the stupid shit they have today.
Here, I made a non capitalist society for you.
>>63252024
Newsflash, anyone in their 20's now is a millenial.
>B-BUT I WAS PLAYING OCARINA OF TIME WHEN YOU WERE 3
No one cares, faggot.
chicks tits were gross
>verhovens face when we went back to the gulf for another war
>>63252128
Verhoeven is amazing.
He also made robocop, another amazing film from a similar genre of parodying reactionary ideology.
>>63253263
You misunderstand I don't give a shit about the satire since I think it was extremely infantile but the action itself in the movie and the characters and kitsch were all great I liked the movie in spite of it's satire.
>>63241510
>Jest
>>63240391
I like how Van Dien's having the same exact hairdo, except with a beard (and grease).
>>63240792
But that's wrong, people aren't individualistic, they're tribal. People instinctively form an in-group and an out-group, and selfless acts are reserved for their in-group.
>inb4 every act is selfish because e.g. it makes you feel good
How about dying for a country or for beliefs? The 'selfish gene' is out because people with no blood relatives left to benefit from it still do this. The drive to die for your comrades or friends or the masses of your country that you've never met has existed persistently throughout history and is often considered glorious and noble. You probably only think individualism is the norm because you're a male between the ages of 18 and 40 that's grown up surrounded by messages telling you 'a man stands on his own two feet' and 'no one owes you anything, and you owe no one anything' and most people spend their lives alone in a series of cubes, when historically this has not been the case and indeed remains not the case in many parts of the world.
they did a terrible job of marketing the film but its become a cult classic and they have made way more on dvd and digital sales than they ever did at the box office so who cares
>>63253081
I was playing OoT long before most of /tv/ was born by the looks of it...
>>63240391
Shit, if Jackson ever needs a younger Aragorn, we've found the guy.
Aguante la Argentina y Huracan, la reconcha de su vieja no me importa nada
vamo globo por la copa
>>63240391
its like someone put shrinkwrap on her skin and heated it up
>>63233113
My old man took me to see this movie in the theater when I was 9 years old. I remember the manager behind the ticket counter repeatedly recommending my dad doesn't take me in to see it. My dad replied with 'my kid's just here to see the boobies and the action.' that seemed to shut her up, and that day I saw one of my favorite movies of all time.
>"DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER?!"
>>63233113
Excuse me, I reclaims watching this movie as a kid and just have nostalgia since then, never rewatched
What is this movie trying to satire? Americans at Afganishtan?
