So how long until Disney buy the rights to all Tolkien's work and release The Silmarillion with a nigger and a woman in the lead roles?
And don't say this is a meme, you know that may eventually happen. Middle Earth movies and merchandising are just as profitable as Star Wars ones.
>>63196700
not until the son dies at the least, and even then he might give a middle finger to the world by having the rights to any media work not allowed to be published until years after his death
Just to be clear, you're now inventing hypothetical but impossible situations that trigger you and then triggering yourself?
>>63196769
who are you trying to impress? did you pat yourself on the back after this post?
>>63196747
>having the rights to any media work not allowed to be published until years after his death
Is that even possible?
I hope it happens someday.
I fully believe that Jackson should have made prequels about "The rise of Sauron", using Tolkiens works and filling in some of the blanks himself.
>>63196816
Yes
Disney has been doing it for a very long time now or maybe it was keeping the mouse from going into public domain actually
>implying they haven't been trying to get the rights
>implying they will ever get the rights
>implying if Chris dies and his son/daughter sells the rights I wont go and murder them
Feels good.
Turin was black.
>>63196897
WE WUZ KINGZ.
But seriously, Turin would make for an awesome movie.
Who owns the rights for Turin? Chris or "Tolkien" I know technically Chris owns them but since he created a book and expanded the tale is it now his? Or is it still attributed to his father?
He could sell Turin's rights for a movie and we could get that but have The Silmarillion remain largely untouched.
>>63196700
If Tolkein were alive, I doubt he would mind if some characters were swarthier in the adaptation of his books. He had a contempt for /pol/-tier racial ideology. He his books are just meant to be joyful escapist fun, no need to exclude people if they wanna be in it
Shoehorning the bleks and the wimmens into old white man's schemas is a genius master plan.
It robs them of their own culture and their own authentic voice. Don't fight it, anon.
>>63196700
But the evil men of the west were black/Eastern looking.
>>63197053
Tolkien was the actual exception to the whole "white pride" thing. He literally had pride in white nordic history and good understanding of it without being unnecessarily racist.
Didn't Tolkien hate Disney? I want Chris to live forever just to spite all the guys who want to make movies out of non LR/Hobbit stuff.
>>6319724i
>without being unnecessarily racist
Separate but equal. We mid 1930's again.
>>63197126
Well blacks don't really belong, but Germanic myths (were Tolkein derives his stuff) are full of strong independent women. The Norns, the Valkyrie, the Disir etc. Tolkein himself had that stuff too.
There's one story where Thor goes trans and dresses as a women IIRC. Very progressive stuff
>>63197053
>>63197241
>in my imagination that guy whose work I like believe they same crap I do, so that means it's true irl
Get back in the zoo or in the kitchen, nobody cares about subhumans, except other subhumans.
>>63197394
>There's one story where Thor goes trans and dresses as a women IIRC. Very progressive stuff
I can't tell whether you're being ironic or not.
>>63197394
Greek mythology had strong female characters too, think Athena and Hera.
>>63197406
Don't say that anonI care about you <3
>>63196700
>Nigger hobbit
>Nigger elf
>Nigger dwarf
Nigger orc too?
>>63197406
>Get back in the zoo or in the kitchen, nobody cares about subhumans, except other subhumans.
“I have in this War a burning private grudge—which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler (for the odd thing about demonic inspiration and impetus is that it in no way enhances the purely intellectual stature: it chiefly affects the mere will). Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
The important thing is you tried.
>>63197487
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Erymskvi%C3%B0a
>The giant Þrymr steals Thor's hammer Mjölnir and demands Freyja as payment for it, desiring the goddess as his own wife. Instead of Freyja, the Æsir dress Thor as the bride and Loki as the bridesmaid, and the two travel to Jötunheimr for the "wedding." Thor's identity is comically hinted at throughout the reception (the god eats an entire ox on his own), with Loki providing weak explanations that the giants somehow accept for the odd behavior (he claims that the bride's immense hunger stems from her not having eaten for the last seven days for her excitement). Mjölnir is eventually placed into Thor's hands as part of the wedding ceremony, allowing the god to strike down the giants and return home.
You could change this into Thor deciding he likes being a woman and make a The Nordic Woman movie out of it. I would watch it
>>63197492
Strong female characters meant different things in that context though. They were strong at womanly things like beauty, craft, running a household, cunning.
Contemporary 'strong female characters' are flawless Mary Sues who are placed in masculine roles where they do what men do.
>>63197565
Where is the part where he says he likes negroes?
>disliking nazism means he's against everything they stood for
>>63197580
I know the legend but it's got nothing to do with Thor wanting to become a woman, come on.
>>63197630
>As for what you say or hint of 'local' conditions: I knew of them. I don't think
they have much changed (even for the worse). I used to hear them discussed by my mother; and
have ever since taken a special interest in that part of the world. The treatment of colour nearly
always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort. not many retain
that generous sentiment for long.
>>63197594
Athena could fuck shit up pretty well by herself though, read the Iliad.
Not as well as Zeus of course but Zeus was the boss.
>>63197823
Athena has always been best Greek girl.
>>63196700
You act like Star Wars never had multicultural roles. Is racism that cool? How old are you? 15?
daily reminder that the only countries who latch onto the "multiculturalism" experiment are Western countries
Daily reminder that all non-western countries will see the failed experiment that became the West and will never become multicultural
Wouldn't it make more sense to set stuff in the south?
I mean, bear with me here for a bit.
There was an entire continent full of shit going down with other people fighting the forces of Mordor over the centuries and all that jazz, right? I could have sworn that was in the appendices somewhere. So if you're dead-set on the whole "we have to have it full of black people" thing, it would make the most sense to set this hypothetical film/series in that location. It's doubly great because you get to have a clean slate of shit to work with, ignoring all that pesky canon, while retaining the Middle Earth branding too.
Or set it in the distant future of Middle Earth, after there's been more communication between the various cultures that were previously separated.
>>63196700
I actually think the Valar being played by black actors would be pretty neat. Of course they wouldn't have black skin or anything (pic related), but it would get people to shut up about race.
Shire hobbits are canonically brown. Peter Jackson is a whitewashing racist
>>63198134
If you make the Valar black then you have to make all the Elves black as well, since the former made their image after the latter.
>it would get people to shut up about race.
I hate this.
>>63198168
>If you make the Valar black then you have to make all the Elves black as well, since the former made their image after the latter.
I'm not so sure. Tolkien gateway says:
> ...but the Valar often took the shapes of Men, Elves or other forms of nature, or they could remain invisible.
Which to me just means they take a humanoid form most of the time.
>>63198301
I'm pretty sure it's in the beginning of The Silm either way. Valaquenta maybe.
>>63198134
those designs are pretty shit
>>63197565
>not being a nazi means he'd be ok with nigger Frodo
>>63198494
Point me to the passage which details Frodo's melanin levels.
>>63198494
He would probably want a white actor but I can't imagine him going on racial tirades on stormfront if they cast Boyega as Frodo or whoever.
>>63198648
Point me to the passage where it's made clear that Frodo doesn't have a purple asshole. Context matters, the Shire is obviously the English countryside.
>>63198494
>>63198648
>>63198705
Hobbits are brown you dumbasses.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Harfoots
Source: "Concerning Hobbits" from Fellowship of the Ring.
>>63198739
Brown in the same way Italians are brown, dumbass
>>63198705
>the Shire is obviously the English countryside.
But this is very wrong though. YOU THINK the shire represents the English country side, that's simply it.
>>63198739
>Tolkien literally compared hobbits to himself
>but no I guess they're not based on simple English countryfolk
They're brown cos they're just tan. When Tolkien describes someone as black/brown in a race way he calls them "swarthy".
>>63197394
>There's one story where Thor goes trans and dresses as a women IIRC. Very progressive stuff
Look, the old Norse didn't exactly have a lot of respect for men of "unmanly" pursuits, and as a native Scandinavian I take offense to people claiming otherwise without any sort of evidence. That said, I do enjoy trope-subversions, and I really don't care what consenting adults and the like do to each other, so a cross-dressing Thor is fine with me, as long as it's done in good taste.
>>63197871
>not Awesome Artemis
>>63198988
pls stop posting in Arabic this is an english finger puppet site
>>63197053
>He his books are just meant to be joyful escapist fun, no need to exclude people if they wanna be in it
His books are meant as a pre-history mythological Europe.
I'm more concerned about Jackson going into full Lucas-mode and releasing special editions with cgi orcs and other bullshit.
>>63196788
I feel like you got triggered by that post faggot. Please, Reddit is that way.
>>63198134
Move outta the way shitty designed Valar fucking shits.
>>63199496
>armour based on the lotr movie elves
>>63199635
>friend sees something art nouveau or resembling movie style
>'it's so elvish!'
>>63199496
Those designs are shit compared to the ones posted before. Melkor shouldn't even have a slightly attractive face under that helm, he should either look like shit or look horrifying.
>>63199635
The designs are LITERALLY stolen from Lotro.
soon
>>63198494
I know that fucking h-mango
>>63199681
Melkor didn't always look so bad
>>63199762
You're a big spider
why stop at niggers and cumdumpsters? I want to see curry niggers, sand niggers and transexual se ching chongs. Only sauron, saruman and the orcs should be caucasian.
>>63199815
FOR
>>63196700
the hobbit already has them adding more females to the cast lmao
>>63199815
Ancalagon vs Ungoliant would be pretty cool desu senpai
>>63199762
They didn't take human/Elf like forms in the Void, and Melkor was an angsty shitty fuck the moment he came to Arda. If he ever took an attractive form, it didn't last very long.
>>63199870
I guess we'll never know desu senpai
>>63196700
>silmarillion
>movie
That book was way too dense with information and stories to be adapted
>>63199893
>>63199496
>Ainur not named Tulkas having a beard
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>63199845
Does he have his own solar system?
>>63199846
they add black elves yet? everyone knows blacks cant be elves.
>>63199899
>That book was way too dense with information and stories to be adapted
so you might say
every single frame will need to have so much going on?
>>63199899
They could take parts of it and make them into their own thing. Eventually tying them up in the end with the chaining of Melkor.
>>63199952
the Niggerlim from around Harad
>>63197565
>that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe
Tolkien understood male only main casts are the way to go
>>63196700
The Star Wars franchise isn't gonna go well and that will affect their business strategy. They will probably go back to making original animated films, lot less risk.
>>63197144
They were swarthy skinned, but so was Bor and Borlond the other easterling tribes who remained loyal to the League during the fifth battle(?) Nigger Android or what ever
>>63199970
Man, Nasmith's landscapes are god-tier, but his characters are absolute shit.
This is what a dwarven war mask should look like.
>>63200006
>The Star Wars franchise isn't gonna go well
Spotted the retard. Force awakens is going to make over 2 billion and the merch always ALWAYS sells.
>>63200095
everyone is going to buy kylo ren, while finn gets the least sales lmao
>>63200080
He's not perfect but he's pretty good.
>>63200026
I am pretty sure there is a straight up reference to black men in the third novel.
>>63200080
I agree. At least his armours are more accurate than Howe's.
Pic related, look at those faces.
>>63200161
Oh god, that's Turin? He looks nothing like I imagined him
>>63200192
Everyone has their own headcanon as to what characters look like, even if he described them to be a certain way.
>>63200192
That's Ted's vision of him. Don't let these images destroy the majesty of your own imagination, anon.
>>63200325
That guy in the middle would have made a pretty good Elrond desu
>>63200161
Howe typically does hauberks same as Nasmith. With only the rare occasion of plate on high-ups like Morgoth or nazgul.
>>63200161
His environment work looks much better than his people.
>>63200293
>>63200296
Turin's fairly well described though in the books. I basically imagined him as a beardless, pale, slightly gaunt in the face but otherwise a handsome Númenórean-looking guy who goes around dressed in black holding a black sword.
>>63200414
Yeah, I find his landscapes very atmospheric.
>>63200161
>gurthang
>single-handed
I'm still waiting for a Russian version of LOTR desu senpai
>>63200470
Then you would be right, I am not sure about the beard though. Beards are hit and miss in Tolkiens world, when referring to humans anyway.
He probably had a beard though, he was written by Tolkien, a quite classical man, I imagine his ideas of 'ancient men' would follow the same as ours. That being that they are mainly bearded as shaving would have been a nuisance and only there for the elites, which Turin was not.
(He was but circumstance didn't allow him to live the life he was born to)
>>63200551
>Gwindor
>two-handed
>>63200638
He was always said to be uncommonly close to an elf in appearance, so I kind of assumed he was beardless.
>>63200638
Not to mention he lived out in the wilderness for months or years at a time.
>>63200638
I wouldn't agree with that. Seeing how his ubermensch, the Elves, and all their descendants (Numenoreans included) were beardless, I'd say Tolkien wasn't too keen on facial hair. He didn't have any himself either except for that moustache which made him look 40 when he was in his 20s.
>>63200781
That can't be helped. I didn't like how the men in the movies looked so greasy and dirty all the time though.
>>63200730
>He was always said to be uncommonly close to an elf in appearance, so I kind of assumed he was beardless.
This is true too. This is what I mean, don't let Ted's interpretation ruin yours, you're not wrong.
>>63200781
This is going to be besides the point and maybe I have forgotten since reading Turin, but where those rapist werewolf bandits actually werewolves (as they exist in the world) or are they just savages?
>>63200781
I like this Rivendell more than the one in the movies.
>>63200832
>I wouldn't agree with that. Seeing how his ubermensch, the Elves, and all their descendants (Numenoreans included) were beardless, I'd say Tolkien wasn't too keen on facial hair. He didn't have any himself either except for that moustache which made him look 40 when he was in his 20s
What about Cirdan though? The Dwarves and their beards are a huge part of their lore.
>>63200849
Those guys he ended up leading? They were a ragtag bunch of normal men. All werewolves were under Sauron's command.
>>63200904
Cirdan is extremely old, etc. Tolkien probably forgot about him when he wrote that and he later tried to amend stuff by introducing the three cycles of life for Elves.
>>63200904
You miss the better example in Gandalf, desu, but there it's the same case as Cirdan, it's just symbolic of his age.
>>63201009
Gandalf was put in an old man's body though.
>>63200849
Pretty sure the people of the region just called them wolves as an insult because they were a roving pack of bastards.
>>63201032
Yeah that's what I meant
>>63201009
>You miss the better example in Gandalf, desu, but there it's the same case as Cirdan, it's just symbolic of his age.
Gandalf isn't human though.
>>63200956
There were older elves though, and he is the only one to be bearded.
>Tolkien probably forgot about him
That's a bit of a cop out.
>>63200915
Yeah, they had a leader and he was referred to as a werewolf, I must have missed something I am going to grab my book and try to find out.
>>63201049
So were they not the same werewolves under Morgoth's control?
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Werewolves
>>63201071
Older than Cirdan in M-e? Nah. We never see other Elves from Aman after the First Age either and back there the process of getting old is either very slow or halted, since they're in the presence of the Ainur.
lol @ the faggots saying Tolkien was a niggerlover
>>63201049
I think you are right just had a quick squizz "wolf heads" is what confused me.
>For two "wolf heads" he has rewarded men well
no no it's fine i totally don't care that everything i love is being ruined by corporate greed. it's totally fine
>>63201160
>Older than Cirdan in M-e? Nah. We never see other Elves from Aman after the First Age either and back there the process of getting old is either very slow or halted, since they're in the presence of the Ainur.
That's what I mean but surely bearded elves should appear in the silmarillion? If the beard is synonymous with age?
>>63200882
Looks more comfy and natural. The film Rivendell was based but it's a glowing fairy land.
>"It will certainly mean fighting. You won't rescue the Shire just by being shocked and sad, my dear Frodo."
- Merry
pacifist anti-war libkeks BTFO
>>63201251
Not old enough at the end of FA I guess. How many more years were there between the beginning of SA and the beginning of the Fourth one? 6000? 7000? Enough time for Cirdan to grow a beard.
And remember that 01. Elves age extremely slowly, so their faces would be as smooth as baby butts whenthey get to Aman; 02. when they get to Aman they're near the Valar so it doesn't count anyway; 03. 90% of them either die or go back at the end of the FA which lasted about 500 years. Not to mention that most Elves we see in The Silm just aren't old enough.
>>63201342
Scouring of the Shire is something a lot of people don't even know happened. All that stuff Merry and Pippin learned as temporary soldiers of Gondor and Rohan and their growth spurt thanks to the entwash turned them into warriors.
>>63197492
Athena and Hera as badass as they were still utter bitches compared to Zeus. Even when they're planning crazy shit for the Achaeans and building people insanely overpowered armour, they're fretting about whether Zeus would approve and in many cases he BTFOs them.
>>63201429
This isn't really my point, my point is Cirdan isn't the oldest elf, he is among a lot of elves who awoke at the same time, so if it is age which gives him a beard there would be a multitude of other elves with beards as well, and that would be a distinguished feature among elves.
>when they get to Aman they're near the Valar so it doesn't count anyway
That's something to think about, maybe he was the only elf who has technically aged the required amount of time in order to grow a beard. But elves are still ageless and don't die due to time.
Maybe ME gave him some form of stress which Valar elves don't have.
>>63197394
Strong and capable women aren't a problem, in fact they are fucking awesome when done right.
The problem is that the modern definition of a stronk womyn seems to be an inept retard who needs her hand held constantly while acting like shes superior and constantly ragging on men for being men.
>>63202418
>in fact they are fucking awesome when done right
gay
