>Werner Herzog literally dragged a 320 ton steamship across a patch of land in order to emulate his character's vision and capture it on screen in the most authentic way possible
>Francis Ford Coppola spent months in the jungle making Apocalypse Now, having to deal with an overweight drunk Marlon Brando, Martin Sheen having a heart attack, and the film having no ending.
>Michael Cimino risked his whole reputation to make Heaven's Gate, fighting off studio jews for more money and even built a fucking irrigation system just for one scene
Compare that to the modern-day hacks like JJ Abrams or whoever the fuck else is hot right now. None of them would have the balls to do shit like this. When did this shift from ballsy vision-obsessed auters to pussified studio drones happen and how do we get madmen behind the cameras again?
CGI made director's lazy
>>63107733
>who is Alejandro G. Innaritu
>Christopher Nolan filmed the biggest movie since the silent era
Because we figured out how to create these things without putting yourself in such shitty situations. Seriously, it was ballsy back then because there was no other way of showing those things on that scale. It would be borderline retarded if you dragged a huge ship across land when you could use CGI and THEORETICALLY achieve the same result.
>>63108217
Herzog had the option of doing it in a studio with a miniature and all that and he refused
Cimino and Copolla(although not with Apocalypse Now) killed New Hollywood with their stupid shit, fuck them.
>>63107733
Heaven's Gate was garbage and Cimino was a lunatic who thought effort and insanity equalled an inherently good product.
You should have used Sorcerer as an example instead.
>>63108299
Sorcerer sucks too, I would say Friedkin is immensely overrated but hardly anybody outside of film buffs even know or care who he is
I'm fairly certain it was everything that Cimino did to make Heaven's Gate that broke the camel's back baka desu senpai
>>63108247
Lets not forget Cameron and Titanic/Avatar.
The filming of the Titanic was pretty fun to watch.
The guy interviews like a total asshole but you can't deny the sheer scale his films portray.
Every major director has those little hallmarks like PTA with the strange scenes like frogs raining from the sky and Tarantino with his b-grade 70s movie love.
>>63108299
Many people consider Heaven's Gate one of the best movies ever made
>>63108413
Not according to like every review I could find
>>63108413
People also consider The Deer Hunter good when it isn't in reality.
For my money, none of these other films can hold a candle to Michael Cimino's 1980 apocalyptic disaster. This is a movie that destroyed the director's career. This is a movie that lost so much money it literally drove a major American studio out of business. This is a movie about Harvard-educated gunslingers who face off against eastern European sodbusters in an epic struggle for the soul of America. This is a movie that stars Isabelle Huppert as a shotgun-toting cowgirl. This is a movie in which Jeff Bridges pukes while mounted on roller skates. This is a movie that has five minutes of uninterrupted fiddle-playing by a fiddler who is also mounted on roller skates. This is a movie that defies belief.
A friend of mine, now deceased, was working for the public relations company handling Heaven's Gate when it was released. He told me that when the 220-minute extravaganza debuted at the Toronto film festival, the reaction was so thermonuclear that the stars and the film-maker had to immediately be flown back to Hollywood, perhaps out of fear for their lives. No one at the studio wanted to go out and greet them upon their return; no one wanted to be seen in that particular hearse. My friend eventually agreed to man the limo that would meet the children of the damned on the airport tarmac and whisk them to safety, but only provided he was given free use of the vehicle for the next three days. After he dropped off the halt and the lame at suitable safe houses and hiding places, he went to Mexico for the weekend. Nothing like this ever happened when Showgirls or Gigli or Ishtar or Xanadu or Glitter or Cleopatra were released. Nothing like this happened when The Hottie and the Nottie dropped dead the day it was released. Heaven's Gate was so bad that people literally had to be bribed to go meet the survivors.
>>63108507
you're probably reading reviews of the butchered version released by UA in 1980. The subsequent cuts have received stelllar reviews
>>63108554
well, that's only your opinion
>>63108555
>Heaven's Gate was so bad that people literally had to be bribed to go meet the survivors.
Fucking kek
>>63108581
Just as it is just their opinion that heavens gate is either bad or good.
Reviews literally don't matter.
>>63108320
>sorcerer sucks
How much of a fucking pleb can you be?
>>63107733
I don't really about whatever meme argument you're trying to have, just came here to say that Fitzcarraldo is one of my favorite movies
>>63108555
Kek is this pasta
>>63109359
The only worthwhile scene is the one they used for the poster and most of the movie isn't that scene. It is painfully dull and that one sequence doesn't make up for the for the rest of the film
>>63108119
yet /tv/ shits on him
Nolan's a great director, Dark Knight Rises aside.
Honestly. I haven't seen such a great use of practical and special effects combined like in Interstellar until I saw Mad Max
>>63109584
I don't think anyone is complaining about how Interstellar looks. It's the fact that the plot is fed to you like you're a baby is what people don't like
>>63109606
the plot is also stupid. so is the science and logic(or lack thereof)
interstellar is a stupid movie. the fact nolan used practical effects for the ships doesn't make any difference
>>63109584
DUDE DID THE TOTEM STOP SPINNING? LMAO
>>63109606
That's my only gripe with the film.
The "love" theme that everyone hates isn't even that prominent, it's more about gravity
Music and visuals were fantastic
Pacing was good, even when it was slow, things kept moving forward
Original and exciting idea, even if the end and five dimensional bookcase exceeded its grasp. I honestly was able to suspend my belief enough to be blown away by it.
Other than the dialogue being wasted on explaining the plot for the audience and the ending going too long in order to wrap things up nicely (I stop watching when Coop exits the black hole and is floating) it's a fantastic movie and one of my favorites
If I made a movie I'd probably do stuff that the studio would do anything in their power to stop me from doing.
If I directed the Plane Scene, I would've used real planes and multiple cameras filming in real time and actually do all the stunts with the actors inside the planes and everything. It would be extremely difficult to do but I would do it.
>>63109703
This isn't the 70s anymore, you cannot get away with the the shit these fuckers did with a major studio unless you're a real big moneymaker. The age where studios let directors do whatever they wanted in the name of advancing film is long gone.
>>63108350
What did he do exactly?
>>63109559
>film
It's a flick m8
>>63107733
>>63109510
Yeah don't give a fuck either but y'all should watch Burden Of Dreams if you haven't, it's pretty dope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU_ZV6ujjVk
>>63109773
Spent a ridiculous amount of money and made next to none of it back. He's the reason directors can't do these things anymore, all of Hollywood's goodwill disappeared when United Artists went bankrupt
>>63109773
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/heavens-gate/29865/10-stories-of-excess-from-the-production-of-heavens-gate
richard linklater literally spent 12 years making his film so his characters could age realistically
>>63107964
A hack
The Revenant is way more controlled than anything mentioned by OP
>>63108507
>can't form my own opinion
>>63107733
>having no ending
Bitch please he based it off a book, how can a book not have a ending when it can only have a finite number of pages?
>>63111076
Meh. That was more an art project than a complete clusterfuck like in the 70's. Think that every scene in Boyhood is very small and controlled. The only drawback of that movie would be that someone died or changed his mind about acting.
Inspired by a true story and one of Hollywood's most ambitious epics, Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate is a film of startling poetic beauty. There are numerous sequences in it that could easily be compared to some of the greatest sequences from David Lean's Doctor Zhivago. The emphasis on detail also astonishes - from the costumes to the weapons to the dances and even the unique Slavic expressions the immigrants often utter, everything in the film looks and sounds incredibly authentic.
Those who have spoken against Heaven's Gate or outright dismissed it as a grandiose failure must have their heads checked. Or admit that they are idiots. Because Heaven's Gate is easily one of the most straightforward films about the dark side of the American Dream, the one that pro-American films, and especially westerns, rarely, if ever, mention. This isn't to imply that Heaven's Gate is a political film, rather to say that it is an honest film that condemns greed and violence, which unfortunately some Americans still worship.
There are endless other characters that enter the story and then disappear without a trace. This makes the film look rather chaotic at times - but only if one ignores the big picture, which is about the sea of immigrants that are never identified until their names appear on the Death List or the mercenaries begin killing them. Until then they are simply "The Mob", nameless men and women who have come to Heaven and suddenly discovered that its self-appointed guardians do not want them there. It is difficult to watch the newly restored director's cut of Heaven's Gate and not think about the various events that have rocked America in recent years. The rise of civil disobedience targeting and involving immigrants, the abuse of power by the wealthy, and the desire to justify extremism with patriotism are some of the many serious issues modern America faces. Isn't it sad to see that they are some of the same issues America struggled with more than a century ago?
>>63107733
CONSIDER THE SOCIOCULTURAL EPOCH IN WHICH MOST "PRODUCTIONALLY PERILOUS" "MOVIES", LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED, WERE MADE; VIDELICET: THE "POSTCOUNTERULTURE" NINETEEN SEVENTIES.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING THEN? WHAT CHARACTERIZED THE CINEMATIC MILIEU OF THE NINETEEN SEVENTIES?
DURING THE NINETEEN SEVENTIES, THE CINEMATIC INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE WAS GENERALLY BREAKING OUT FROM THE DECREPIT MURKINESS OF THE REMAINING FORMALISM OF THE NINETEEN FIFTIES, WHICH WAS MOSTLY SLOUGHED IN THE NINETEEN SIXTIES, SO THERE WAS A UNIVERSAL CONDITION THAT FACILITATED EXPERIMENTATION, EXPRESSION OF MANIAS BY REMARKABLE PERSONALITIES, AND REBELLIOUS SELFINDULGENCE.
NOW, FOUR DECADES LATER, THERE IS ANOTHER KIND OF FORMALISM CONSISTING IN QUICK & CHEAP PRODUCTIONS, RAPID PRODUCTION RATES, AND PROFIT MAXIMIZATION; THE PREDOMINANT ETHOS OF THE CURRENT CINEMATIC MILIEU CONSISTS IN THE PRODUCTION OF IMMERSIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
CONSIDERING HOW SOCIOCULTURAL, AND HISTORICAL, PATTERNS ARE CYCLICAL & RECURRENT, ONE CAN INFER AN IMMINENT EPOCH SIMILAR TO THE ONE OCCURRING DURING THE NINETEEN SEVENTIES.
>>63111602
hey man, ethan is doing shows with edith now, how do you feel about alice's departure
>>63111680
I DO NOT COMPREHEND YOUR REPLY.
>>63108119
In the airplane scene he used a real airplane, but the big guy was fake.
Literally a hack.
>>63111698
im talking about YOUR "FAVORITE" BAND. CRYSTAL CASTLES
>>63108376
>avatar
cameron has turned into a talentless hack. he is now the porn director he worked under when he started.
>>63107964
Absolute apex lel
>>63111738
AH.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DISRUPT THIS THREAD WITH THEMATICALLY UNRELATED DISCUSSIONS, SO I WILL JUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AND DO NOT EXPECT ME TO REPLY TO FURTHER PERSONAL QUESTIONING.
I AM SLIGHTLY DISAPPOINTED, BUT IT WAS EXPECTED SINCE APPROXIMATELY THE YEAR TWOTHOUSAND THIRTEEN.
>>63107733
It was thanks to Cimino and Coppola that producers have more power than ever, the New Hollywood era was both the best and worst thing to happen to the american cinema industry.
>>63111827
ya thats ok, even though it wasnt a big change cos Ethan is the brain, im really happy about the new songs he posted, alice was expendable but im sad for her. This new girl, edith, is also a good singer
There's 2 reasons:
1. CGI
2. Cimino and heaven's gate
>>63108554
The Deer Hunter is a masterpiece. Second Best Vietnam film after Apocalypse Now
>>63111149
Fat, drunk and not giving a shit Brando kind of means they can't do the book ending
>>63108299
>Heaven's Gate was garbage
>>63108555
>The Hottie and the Nottie
>>63108413
Many people also consider it one of the worst.
>>63107733
Nolan made an entire rotating structure to film Kekception.
