Why do people like Batman more?
Because batman can beat any super hero in his universe without any super powers and he doesn't run away from his problems like a little bitch.
because Batman isn't a Mary Sue
>>63100560
He's more relatable, being a guy whom had some childhood trauma, and then got his shit together (being a billionaire helps) to return vengeance if not on the individual perpetrator, then on evil itself.
Supes is more of an Ubermensh, Christ allegory whom has been used in far too many "cheap" stories where his powers act as a deus machina. Great Americana, though.
>>63100970
>>63100970
Nice one, Joker
>>63100986
Batman isn't anywhere near relatable.
Who seems more redpilled out of the two. Honestly.
>>63100560
>One in the light
>One in the darkness
POTTERY
Because Superman represents our child self who is full of hope and happiness, while Batman represents the edgy teenage years from which a lot of idiots never grow
>>63100986
>Ubermensh
>Christ allegory
Fuck you're an idiot
>>63101048
Supes is an optimistic idealist that believes in the good of mankind
Bats is a cynical realist that sees the world for what it is
i guess people tend to flock to whatever suits their personality more
Because he was in better movies, cartoons, and videogames
>>63100560
It's the costume desu senpai. Batman has a cool mask and a better cape. Visually, he's more striking than Superman. He's an anti-hero, anti-heroes are cool. Batman is extremely versatile, he can be a detective in one story, a ninja in the other, etc. etc. Flying is cool, but Batman has a fucking rad car. We can't relate to Superman. We're not from another planet, we can't shoot laser beams out of our eyes and we can't fly. Batman on the other hand? Much more accessible.
Just compare the names, which one sounds cooler? "BATMAN" or "SUPERMAN".
>>63101440
"Superman" sounds cooler 2bh fám
Batman channels a lot of issues that everyday people deal with, like trauma, anger issues, looking for a sense of purpose, juggling multiple "masks" for different audiences. Psychological stuff, whereas Superman works better as an allegorical figure, dealing with loftier issues like morality, what it means to be human, and our place in the universe.
Batman also has the advantage of being able to be interpreted in many different ways, from a goofy caped crusader to a grim, gritty, paranoid detective. Any deviation from the status quo for Superman is met with outrage (see: MoS).
Batman also has a wide and established rogues gallery that run the gamut from grandiose and sci-fi (Mr Freeze, Ra's) to relatively mundane yet horrifying (Zsasz, Hush). Plus most of them are a dark mirror of his character in some way, so they can be used to pick apart facets of his psyche and play with a variety of relationships in a way you really can't with like Braniac or Darkseid.
>>63100560
Because he gets all the pussy while being a social outcast. He can connect the best with the aspirations of the comicbook crowd
>>63101572
>can be used to pick apart facets of his psyche and play with a variety of relationships in a way you really can't with like Braniac or Darkseid.
bad examples. Those two, along with Luthor and Zod you actually can do that with, but Superman's villains are never really explored that much. Most of his other villains you are right about though. Can't really do much with Doomsday, Mr. Myxlplx, Parasite or the others in that regard.
>>63100560
because superman is shit
and batman's superpower is money
he's an alpha guy with money that beats up the bad guy and saves the day
everyone can look up to that
>>63100560
le dank knight trilogy
>>63101068
>lot of idiots never grow
OK, i`ll bite, grow into what? go on, amuse us...
>>63100986
>Supes is more of an Ubermensh
No, Batman is the Ubermensh.
Superman is a deity.
That's the point of both characters, they complement each other. One is a god acting as savior answering to our needs and inspire goodness, the other one is a man that punish evil, protects us in the dark and acts according to a promise and sacred bow.
>>63101440
This, the costume designe is great, gotham is great, batman has more gadgets than bond and has a great gallery of villians that are until this day pretty unique, batman is the legacy of the noir age of pop culture.
Superman on the other hand has a lot of great things, but he is product of science fiction, and we had been exposed to so many things similar to his mythos that it doesnt feel special anymore. Being stuck in the 30's work for batman, but pop culture in the last 50 years made superman less special, even when he is as unique and good as batman.
For truth? Its because he gets more exposure. More movies, more shows, more comics. He has more weaknesses than supes so its easier for writers to come up with compelling stories for him. So, more stories, more character, more exposure, more fans.
>>63101944
He gets more exposure because people like him more
Superman was born good, Batman had to work for everything (except his money)
Because people could relate to Batman more than Superman
>>63100560
is it gonna rain the whole movie?
In 1960, the eponymous titles sold:
BATMAN … 502,000 (avg circulation)
SUPERMAN 810,000 (avg circulation)
So, I guess you were correct in that Batman was just not as popular as Supes.
To bolster the effect the Batman TV show had on sales, look at 1965 (pre-TV show):
BATMAN … 453,745
SUPERMAN 823,829
But in 1966 (after the first season):
BATMAN … 898,470
SUPERMAN 719,946
Many people like to think that SUPERMAN and BATMAN have been of near equal stature since their debuts in the late 1930’s. But prior to the Adam West TV series, Batman was in a very distant second place to Superman. In fact, during the 1940’s, Batman was in a distant third place behind rivals Superman & Captain Marvel. By the 1950’s, Superman was the star of a long running radio show and a long running newspaper strip. He also had appeared in several innovative theatrical cartoons in the early 40’s. Batman on the other hand, had only guest started in a handful of episodes of the Superman radio show, his newspaper strip only lasted a few years and he hadn’t made the jump to cartoons. In the 1950’s, Batman just didn’t have anywhere near Superman’s name-recognition and multimedia clout.
Suddenly BIFF! POW! ZAP! began appearing in media headlines, and the Batman craze was upon us. The TV and print news media were abruptly afloat with the word “Batmania,” which they doubtless believed they had coined. Sales of the Caped Crusader’s comics spiked. (Batman even outsold Superman for a while, something it wouldn’t do [regularly] again until the 1990s [after a patch in the mid-1980’s].)
Its because batman has a lot more better villians, or at least his villians are more explored.
Batman is also more badass than supes too, he beats people with wits and doesnt kill anyone, he uses fear, darkness and gadgets to his advantage.
No one cares about a god punching some smart bald man, but a smart rich man fighting a god, now thats something.
Because Batman represents the ideal of special snowflakes. Batman grew up without parents and yet consistently won't get past his "disadvantage" despite being extremely well off. Batman has the godlike power to beat anyone because he has this unlimited potential, but never uses it to actually do anything outside of a plot that would actually help mankind("Hey Batman, you have Bat shark repellent and a super crime fighting computer. Why are you waiting for villains to strike before you put them away and why haven't you cured Diabetes or Pee Shivers yet?") which superman does all the fucking time at the fortress of solitude. Case in point, what does Batman do during Throne of Atlantis with his supposed super mind to anticipate invasions and weaknesses? Clings to stuff to survive like a little bitch; because the truth is Batman is that retarded tumblr relative that talks big talk about how great they are and could be when in reality they're being sheltered by the productive family members around them(The Justice League) and only really participate when they are interested or know they can't fail. Forget Superman, Aquaman is a better hero than Batman even.
>>63102020
And all that other stuff I said that you ignored.
Faggot.
Retard.
Nigger.
>>63102538
And the same happened afterwards. Batman was pretty much a joke before Batman 89.
>>63102538
Superman is the oldfag american pie 50's generation. Batman is the manchild generation.
>>63100560
CAUSE HE GOES ABOVE THE LAW TO GET ALL THE CRIMINALS AND HAS A DEATH WISH!
>>63100970
KEK
>>63103545
You stupid bitch, all you said was that he gets more exposure and tried to justify that.
>>63106174
You cheeky cunt what I sed was he's pop'lur cuz his character foils give the writers better starting points story wise to make him the more likeable character even if he's dark and broody.
>>63100560
He's an edgy character who despite being able to defeat characters far stronger than him is supposedly an underdog.
Pretty much a less blantant version of pic related
>Superman in the air
>Batman on the ground
Poetry
>>63100560
Because he's human, relatable, the idea of a normal human using wits, intelligence and trickery to win even against a god is almost as old as fiction itself.
>>63100560
Put simply he is more interesting. There is no real grit or fun with supes.
Superman is great but when you've created a character or let a character become as strong as him his conflicts seem less than threatening. And in some cases you begin to wonder why he doesn't do more. Batman is great. He's skilled and smart and driven and rich but human. you can relate to his weaknesses and short comings as a person and that leads to a desire to see him rise above them. That plus for years it's been far easier to make Batman movies that showcase his abilities and stories than it has to produce a really good Superman movie. FUCK they haven't even made a really good superman game. I really think his powers limit what you can do with him successfully. He's still best in comics, that medium just lends itself better to the type of stories that make Supes shine.
>>63100560
Batman didn't kill her dad.
>>63100560
it's human, theres a little hope that you could become him if had the money and training etc, like ironman
the other is a fucking alien blessed with god like power, and even when he helps people and shit for some like us and lex luthor its like he is just showing of and rubbing on our faces his bonr given superiority, he didn't even had to work fot it all that power just by defauly the ultimate proof of unequality
>>63108745
at the end of that webm... was that..... BANE?!
>>63100560
>is it true that a no-fx version was leaked like that time with the wolverine movie ???
>>63101013
yes he is, every human who's ever lived is a) driven by their childhood experiences and b) wished they'd had more will power, which is the core of batman's character
>>63100560
Better villains senpai
>>63101572
I agree with the gist of this. Batman is more versatile in the kinds of retellings one can do of him than is possible with Superman.
Adam West, Burton Batman, Nolan Batman, Frank Miller Batman, and everything in between. All of these can be a Batman story. Superman doesn't survive the same twisting of interpretations while remaining Superman
>>63100895
Oh fuck top kek there, senpaitachi. Batman can literally pull shit out of his belt at any time to get out of a jam, over an almost 80 year history.
>>63110147
Why do all the sheilas look like blokes
>>63103604
I can confirm this. I'm old and can confirm that my elders all thought Batman was faggy and ridiculous. 100% because of Adam West and Burt Ward. (And the shitty Batman comics of the 60s didn't help.) Batman was a farce til TDKR.
>>63100560
Only little memelords who are below the age of 25 like him more. 30 year old fag and I've not once met anybody around my age who thinks of Batman beyond a passing acknowledgement.
Superman can kill any superhero from any franchise in any universe. Preferring any other hero than him is literal comic kekoldry.
Batman games are waaaaay better than Superman games.
>>63110533
Video games are for children.
>>63110563
So are comic book heroes, m8.
>>63101440
>Psychotic orphan in rodent-themed pyjamas squandering his family's billions and his own genius-level intellect to beat up petty criminals and weirdos who dress as clowns, plants, etc
>Somehow more relatable than a blue-collar Kansas farm boy raised by two good, honest parents who just happened to develop godlike powers as he hit adolescence
>>63110147
yes, but..... People only care about the villains in relationship to the character. If Batman wasn't such a strong character who brought so much to the table, no one would care. Like if the Joker was a Green Arrow villain, absolutely no one would give a shit about him.
>>63110470
>Batman was a farce til TDKR.
tiptop kek
>>63110563
Swag is for children!
Since Supes is possibly the most boring character ever created its not hard to like Batman more.
because bats has the more recognizable villains
>>63108745
sick vid
>>63112230
almost 112233
fuck!
>>63110812
>troubled child uses his own rightful property and natural gifts for a noble cause
>Naturally more relatable than Infallible Space Jesus
>>63100560
because Batman is a monster to bad guys and hes got some serious daddy issues
>>63108745
>that transition from childlike wonderment to traumatic shock
Fuck man.
>>63112205
This desu senpai
>>63100560
Superman is strong because the sun.
Batman is strong because he has money but also great intelligence. He actually has to make an effort. That's more endearing.
>literally normal man in a suit
>not even an ironman-like suit, just a shitty weak suit
if he lasts more than 5 minutes im leaving
>>63101855
They grow. Into. A not edgy teen.
Try and keep up.
Superman literally emobdies the Aryan superhuman who was born with gifted genetics.
His only real accomplishment is being born.
Basically that rich, spoiled, snotty Jock in HS with brains to match.
Batman is the everyman in the world of superheroes.
>>63106702
Yeah because the average comic book fan appreciates great story points. /sarcasm
>>63108001
Batman isn't interesting. The movies and comics about batman are interesting because of the villains. No one is excited about bale. We care about ledger.
>>63112446
>Black hair
>aryan.
>>63100986
>Supes
>Embracing the will to have the world repeat everything endlessly
>Becoming the lamb that erases the original sin of all mankind
>>63112156
In what way does the batman relate or reflect back the riddler? The villains are what make the batman mythos interesting.
>>63112584
How do you figure that most people don't idealize that? You can relate to a feeling without doing it you know. I mean you get that right?
>>63110812
>who just happened to develop godlike powers as he hit adolescence
It's kinda fucking hard to relate to something like this
>>63112599
>confirmed for not knowing shit about either batman or the riddler
The Riddler is a mastermind, like Batman. He epitomises the brain vs brawn dynamic. He is more brilliant than any one in gotham, except Batman. Batman's whole thing is defeating people through his mind. Even people who are strait up smarter than him, Batman defeats by thinking outside the box or not playing by the rules.
>>63112656
That guy is a fag, but the relatable part about Superman, in my opinion, is that Superman grew weird, awkward, confused and self-loathing, but when he finally became okay with himself, he literally became a super man. Basically, if you can make peace with yourself, you can do anything.
>>63112599
>In what way does the batman relate or reflect back the riddler?
He is a detective.
>>63110033
Yes.
>>63110533
That's not saying much. Bam A Ham games are one of the small handful of actually good superhero games.
>>63110563
So are superheroes in general.
>>63112379
>not even an ironman-like suit
>clearly uses an ironman like suit
Dude..
>>63112749
I thought the whole thing with the riddler was he was the most brilliant, even more so than batman, but his ego (ie having to leave clues so batman can discover his master plan) was his downfall. The riddler's a villain who ultimately wants to be cause and found out so his brilliance can be truely appreciated. Compared to say the joker who just wants to snap batman mentally
I don't get the relatability part. Why would I want to relate to something that reminds me of painful stuff? Wouldn't people prefer something less painful and more happy?
>>63100986
>>63110100
He really isn't relatable. His an autistic orphan billionaire.
Terry macguinness and Peter Parker are relatable superheroes
>>63100560
Superman is boring. He is invincible besides his silly kryptonite weakness and he talks like an american propaganda spouting machine.
Batman is more human and has cooler villains.
>>63112540
Aryan means he's simply genetically gifted through no merit of his own.
C'mon. We're not hard core nazis here.
>>63112292
To be fair, the Jesus/messiah shit only really comes up whenever someone makes a Superman movie.
In the comics, Supes was traditionally more of a Moses figure, if we're gonna look for something Biblical
>>63113332
>read on wikipedia superman was inspired by moses
>"ahkshhhulley, syupes is a myoses figyure"
>>63112446
>Batman is the everyman in the world of superheroes.
Batman is the Mary Sue of superheroes. He's a master of every martial art, he can build cars, planes and jetpacks, he's immune to poisons cause he... trained for it or something, he's also a master detective that just pulls shit out of his ass and hasn't really done any detecting in comics in decades, he's one of 3 smartest people on the planet (I don't know how they came to that conclusion, but he is) and he can beat every superhero cause of the magic of preptime.
Shit, if this guy's parents didn't die, he'd be such an enormous waste of talents just sitting by the pool fucking supermodels.
Even when he's shown to us as a paranoid bitchy cunt to his friends and family, the writers portray it in a way that we are suppose to look up to and think it's cool.
I love Batman, but most of the times writers just throw shit at him to the point it's kind of hard to be interested in this unstoppable moral paragon who is always portrayed as the one in the right to whatever character he comes into contact. There's even a shallow attempt at a moral dilemma? You can bet your sweet ass that the writers will tear up the fabric of space time and stitch it back together with staples and jizz to make Batman right and some other poor soul wrong. The no-kill rule is a perfect example. Batman will always find a way, while some other hero won't and then get a lecture from Bats about the sanctity of life. It's not cause Batman is better at his job, but because the writers won't let him gets his hands dirty. It's easy being a saint, when you got your own angels in the outfield ready and willing to shit over, say, Wonder Woman to make you look great.
>>63112656
You are not suppose to relate to superpowers. It's the Clark Kent glasses facade that matters. People look through Kent him and barely remember him most of the time. A lot of people felt like that at some point in their lives. They all felt like if that girl just stopped for a second and looked, she would see that standing behind those dumb glasses is actually someone interesting and cool.
>>63113859
I think a big problem with Batman is that he works wonderfully on his own, or with his own Bat-family, but he almost immediately becomes a Mary Sue if writers need him to function in something like the Justice League. They need a reason why a fit, intelligent and wealthy man could actually be useful among heroes who can move faster than ocular perception can register, or are telepathic, or can walk through a wall that's on fire and shooting car-sized bullets at them.
So writers change him from being fit, intelligent and wealthy into supposedly being the greatest tactician, the foremost authority on chemistry and engineering, the single most well-armed person, etc, on planet Earth. They exaggerate him into ridiculous territory because, otherwise, readers would say, "yeah, just use Bruce's money. Otherwise he's useless."
Just like why girls like Thor better than Captain
Dr Manhattan is Superman done right.
Funny how Snyder did both yet fucked up the latter.
>>63100560
more relatable. Superman in this case represents (apparently) an unbeatable natural force, while batman is the human ingenuity that manages to overcome it.
So at an instinctual level most people will always identify with batman.
Personally I like them both and I believe a dc shared universe has ALWAYS been an error. It worked for marvel because all the character were created by the same author and most of them were not as important or epic or notorious as batman and superman. Think about the fantastic four individually, think about character like captain america, the archer man, the blind man, most of them are nobodies with no impact to their name, with a few exceptions mostly spiderman.
Having said that the premise of man of steel vs dark knight seems interesting.
>>63116712
>Dr Manhattan is Superman done right.
No he isn't you faggot.
>>63100560
superman is the most boring a-list superhero
