Is this the best television performance ever?
Great delivery, shit dialogue. It was well salvaged
>>62963772
>shit dialogue
I'd instantly assume this was bait, but I know how retarded /tv/ is.
Deadwood literally has the best dialogue of any show on televisionit's also the best show that's ever been on tv
>>62963772
>shit dialogue
>>62963772
>shit dialogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1aiscFYqn4
Its a meme that Al swears every 5 seconds. When he is in a serious discussion, he speaks like a poet.
>>62963816
I'm not that guy but you're wrong. The first season is absolutely brilliant, the dialog and writing are all some of the best I've ever seen on tv. Unfortunately season 2 falls into a situation where the writers are obviously so in love with the sound of their own language that it just becomes turgid and ridiculous sounding. It's such a shame too because it probably could have been one of the best shows ever but in season 2 it just sinks so hard into absolute ridiculous self-absorption.
>>62963772
>shit dialogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApvDpYIaXNA
>>62963772
this>>62963816
it's literally poetry, and in Lucas' shallow sense.
>>62963772
>I'm too dumb to understand what they are saying
Best dialogue in television history t b h
>>62963877
>he didn't understand season 2
It's okay to admit game of thrones is your favorite show, little buddy
>>62963877
>he didn't get BASED Al's grand soliloquies
>>62963772
faggot spotted
>>62963932
>>62963967
sorry mates, I spend most of my time reading books so I probably have a much stronger grasp than you guys on what constitutes good writing. Believe me, the ridiculous self-absorption of Deadwood's season 2 that is far more in service of the sound of the language than any progression of plot or character is appallingly dull to listen to. Don't fall into the trap of "ooh it sounds pretty therefore it's good." Y'all niggas probably love Oscar Wilde too.
>>62964018
And I actually talk to people on a daily basis, so I probably have a much better grasp of real conversations than a NEET shutin who reads james joyce all dayI bet you haven't even read about how they developed the the speech patterns for the show
Gandolfini gave the best performance in TV history, but McShane and Deadwood are great.
>>62964164
>Sopranos
>the best season got the worst ratings
>shows how much the show pandered to generic mafia movie fans
I mean it's a great show, but most people actually like it for all the reasons
>>62964138
are you actually suggesting that Deadwood's dialog is meant to sound organic? you fucking serious mate? it's entirely geared towards sounding as though Melville or McCarthy wrote it but the writers don't have the abilities to pull it off. the entire second season sounds like someone wanking themselves off.
and I'm sorry, I assess art based on what it is not based on what the writers say they were trying to do in interviews. I'm sorry I don't read celebrity gossip mate. I guess it's your familiarity with such nonsense that limits your ability to assess proper writing.
>>62964164
Gandolfini just played himself
Best scene. Titus trying to hold it back seals it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSchfzne9HU
>>62964213
>thinking because you read to the lighthouse in high school you're a good critic
>thinking books and television are comparable at all
>read one critical review of deadwood and is just parroting everything said in it
good job buddy
>>62964249
Not at all, I saw some video where Chase (it think) said Gandolfini was so glad the show was ending because he hated putting himself in Tony's shoes for so many years. The mannerisms may have been his but he's not Tony
>>62964213
>i didn't get it and i'm mad about it
ur trying 2 hard m8
>>62964308
no idea what you're talking about. Woolf is shit, actually she's probably a pretty good comparison for the issues in Deadwood's writing. And yeah you thick fuck, a show that tries so hard to be as literary as possible in its language is better critiqued by people more familiar with writing than you clearly are. Also seriously are you just googling famous writers because you sound so stupid.
>>62964335
>my favourite book is Harry Potter!
>>62964351
>I say good authors are shit so it sounds like I know what I'm talking about
>>62964164
>Gandolfini gave the best performance in TV history
I honestly think that Andre Royo is in the same league with his performance in 'The Wire'.
What he did with that character was unbelievable.
>>62964351
>DUDE WOOLF IS SHIT LMAO
am i doin it rite?
did get teh hipster cred?
>>62964249
Nope. He's a relatively normal American, although he had immigrant parents. They and he weren't involved in crime in any way. He worked as an actor from an early age. His performance is nothing short of brilliant. Tony feels more like a real person than anyone I've seen on TV and most movies.
McShane is great, but his character simply isn't as fleshed out or nuanced as Tony. You see Swearingen confront significantly fewer types of issues, so we know less about him as a person, and he naturally shows less range. Tony exhibits pretty much the entire range of human emotion and experience. He is "totally human."
>>62964202
We aren't talking about which show is the best (although The Sopranos is easily), so I won't get into that.
>>62964383
>I've never read authors outside of the canon because I hardly ever spend any time reading
outside Dalloway Woolf is almost uniformly shit. The Waves is offensive dogshit but real talk if you love Woolf I'm sure you'd also love Deadwood. If you like just nonsense posturing that is intended to sound poetic and nothing else then it's no wonder you love both of them
>>62964432
>I don't know any authors but the ones known by every single person on the planet, am I doing it right!
>>62964351
>deadwood is shit
>trust me I'm literary pro
>btw virginia woolf is shit
LAUGH, LAUGH AT THE PLEBFUCK
>>62964477
>>I've never read authors outside of the canon
When did i mention the bible?
>>62963816
>hbo
>tv
anon...
>>62964535
wat
>>62964490
what's your favourite Woolf work and why?
>>62964477
>if it's well known then it's bad
>obscure authors are best authors
your tryin way too hard m8. hipster cred is so passe. literally 2012 tier entry level.
>>62964477
>thinking more obscure is better
That might be somewhat true for newer mediums that are still developing like television or movies, but written stories have been around for thousands of years.
>>62964558
>i was thinking that as i typed it
>>62964609
nope, that's not at all what I said. people were calling me a contrarian for not liking Woolf, that's not the case. some famous authors, just like some famous movies, are shit. that doesn't mean the only answer is to go to obscure authors. eg. Faulkner is a genius and Woolf could never have written anything half as good as his best works
>>62964619
what on earth do you even think that means?
>>62964477
>outside Dalloway Woolf is almost uniformly shit. The Waves is offensive dogshit
Both 'To the Lighthouse' and 'The Waves' are superior works - 'The Waves' being her greatest work by far. It doubles as a nice bellwether to weed out the lesser readers who write it off.
I'm not even that anon but you sound like you don't read all that much. You should stop.
Based on the whole season? No.
Based on Omega Station? Vaughn might have a legit chance.
His acting in the last scene was some of the strongest I've ever seen.
>>62964715
The Waves is one of the most offensive, disgusting examples of writing I can think of. It's just so atrociously self-involved and worthless. Of course it's beautiful to read but it's just an appalling example of the worst excesses of literature. Woolf was an arrogant, elitist cunt and her writing reflects her personality perfectly. Dalloway on the other hand is a masterpiece. Lighthouse has brilliant stretches (mostly the first third) but ultimately also goes up its own ass. Her writing is so insufferably cerebral and detached from any sense of humanity. A writer designed for grad students to pore over.
>>62962356
>best television performance
might as well be the special olympics
>>62964715
also how do I sound like I don't read much when Woolf is literally the only author that's been discussed and I've read all the 3 (whoa what a dense knowledge of an author!) works that have been addressed.
>>62964018
>Y'all niggas
>>62964213
>you fucking serious mate?
> I assess art based on what it is not based on
>>62964844
You literally just wrote I didn't like it because I didn't like it in 90 too many words.
You probably don't like Joyce either since his modernist tendencies are so similar.
>>62964972
nah, Joyce is actually worthwhile. Again though people like Faulkner and Gombrowicz are far better than both Joyce and Woolf.
>>62964844
I feel embarrassed for anon like you when I read posts like these.
Endless highfalutin quips with no consistent reasoning to them whatsoever. Just a lot of witless angst and emotion.
Explain in detail, please. Enlighten us lowly stock. Explain how her poesis is so vastly different in 'Mrs. Dalloway' than it is in 'The Waves'. Go ahead.
Remember, now: avoid all of these errant displays of angst and try to realise a detailed explanation of your position. I'll wait.
>>62965092
Again, had you any interpretive abilities you likely would have understood that my issues with The Waves were based upon its entire lack of characterization and in turn a lack of any emotional core. The aesthetic quality of her writing in Dalloway is used in a purposeful manner, it is used to construct a deeply moving central character who's complexities are captured well by Woolf's dense lyricism and careful detail. The Waves on the other hand takes the same lyrical language and uses it for almost no tangible purpose at all, its narrative obscurities accomplish nowhere near the same impact that she manages in Dalloway.
Anyway, why can't you accept that some people don't like Woolf? I don't understand. The people who gravitate towards the towering displays of a linguistic infatuation like The Waves will likely be drawn towards season 2 of Deadwood. That kind of writing is anathema to my aesthetic sensibilities and so I hate both iterations of it. This is a matter of taste, why are you so upset with me for stating mine?
>>62965250
>Again, had you any interpretive abilities you likely would have understood that my issues with -
Don't be coy. We both know you were only shitposting emotional gibberish before. This on the other hand is a decent reply. Now I can actually understand your position.
I can see your frustration over a certain lack of "emotional core", but I think you're not taking into account the very intentional experimentation that was going on with female writers at the time. There were many female writers in this period that were trying to capture aesthetic notions of female psyche and wanted to convey how transitive and listless it is. This approach to prose isn't without a political element to it. Bachmann's 'Malina' would probably be a similar work in this vein. 'Asphodel' by H.D was another. There's more, but I'd have to think on it. Blanking right now.
>This is a matter of taste, why are you so upset with me for stating mine?
Just be less of a dickhead about it, bruv.
>>62965552
Yes I can appreciate everything you're saying and I can understand what Woolf was doing and there are still passages of The Waves that return to me because of their lyrical beauty. Again though, stuff like Asphodel by H.D. is just against what I see as worthwhile, beautiful works of literature. I haven't read Bachmann but I just personally don't gravitate towards works that are interesting on a cerebral or conceptual level but don't function all that interestingly on any other level.
Anyway, nice to see there are other people who read on this board. Sorry for coming off like a dick, I think this board/entire website are generally toxic when it comes to fostering healthy discussion because of the hostility that surrounds every topic and I am unfortunately often sucked into that myself.
Have a good night
>>62965641
All good, ultimately if this sort of prose isn't in keeping with your sensibilities then it is what it is.
Night, m8.
>>62963816
Lmao senpai. Deadwood isn't even in the top 30.
>>62963772
Where is that cat piss stench coming from? Anon, off the fuckin balcony!
>>62966350
>i let clickbait lists do my thinking for me
>>62962356
thats not Heisenberg
Post favorite scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1Em1rrUTE
Love this whole exchange, Wolcott was such a great character.
>>62966605
Tokk /tv/ a while to go full pleb in this thread
I think that Justified had better dialogue. Just my opinion. Their being on basic cable made them have to focus more on the words used without Milching and adding in fuck and cocksucker so much. Both great shows though.
>>62966350
>lost above deadwood
okay this is a joke
>>62966639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1VFMy_uHVg
obligatory
>>62966591
>clickbait
That's the official list of the Writers Guild of America. You know, actual film and television writers. But I'm sure some NEET on /tv/ is in a better position to judge, right?
Here's just a small list of shows with better rankings than Deadwood.
1. The Sopranos
7. Mad Men
11. The Simpsons
13. Breaking Bad
22. Friday Night Lights
27. LOST
Deadwood isn't even top-tier television. This is a FACT.
>>62963772
AUGFHHHHG FINE /TV/ I'LL WATCH DEAD WOOD!
YOUR JUST GONNA MAKE ME WATCH IT ANYWAYS BECAUSE ITS CHARLIE WORK!
>>62967301
>actual film and television writers.
>I'm sure some NEET on /tv/ is in a better position to judge, right?
You're god damn right
Maybe best single performance, but Milch beat the show with Luck
Friendly reminder that Swearengen was an actual person who owned an actual brotheland had a twin brother whom he used for cons
![Gerard[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/8tp3bC4.png "Gerard[1].png")
GOAT "villain" if I'm being Tbh
>>62966639
>those cribs they're in lack allure
>*licks thumb*
Tolliver was too fucking smooth
>>62967727
>>62964213
>are you actually suggesting that Deadwood's dialog is meant to sound organic?
I don't think he was, and I'm not sure why you think it should.
>>62963772
Found the cocksucker
Is there any point to watching Deadwood when it has no ending?
No matter how good a show is, I can't commit to it if it got shitcanned without even being competent enough to plan out a finale.
>>62962356
It's certainly up there. Maybe top 10.
>>62970635
Please name 9 better individual acting performances from television shows
>>62970625
Anon, It's about the journey, not the destination.
>>62970652
The Wire is the only one I can think of that meets (and sometimes exceeds) it.
>>62964164
To be fair practically any character McShane played could qualify, even those in otherwise bad shows.
>>62962356
He's in the very top tier of TV drama characters, both acting and writing considered.
>>62962356
easy answer is yes.
>>62964428
I agree.
>When he tries to hang himself in the station
>Completely breaks down when he meets with the AA guy
>That look on his face when he doesn't want the lesbian cop to know he's back on the junk
Amazing actor.
>>62964780
Go to bed Pizza
Gandolfini was better and his performance as Tony is the greatest performance not just in television but better than any film's.
>>62962356
The show was great, cocksucker, but they said cocksucker way too much, cocksucker
>>62970785
I can't wait to see him in Game of Thrones.
Dare for all of you deadwood-denying cocksuckers: name another show with three better performances than these
>>62970785
Can you please suggest other mcshane notable work?
>>62963772
>>62971282
Gandolfini, Falco, Imperioli. Deadwood is one of the GOAT for me though.
>>62971282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICfLwGghZIc
This whole scene is amazing
>>62962356
>It's a swegen pissing in the corner of his room episode
>>62971282
Brad Dourif is godly in everything he's in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXLg3VRiAM0
>>62971394
>a Wu/Swegen hang dai episode
>it's a whore with gentle heart episode
>it's a kidney stone episode
>>62962356
yes
>>62964018
>Fedora intensifies
>>62962356
>british actor
>doing an american character
yes it is
>>62971282
Oh god the episode where the Reverend dies....
fuck.
best scene coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwo9KwnOse4
>>62963877
>dat fight to start the season
>dat fucked up swedgin
>dat god tier bike ride
>dat indian head
>dem blowie scenes
> based wu
>>62966639
fucking hated how they used one actor for two roles
>>62971739
I liked this a lot too. What a goddamn amazing actor the reverend. Gonna look in more of his work
>>62963877
I agree with you. I have a friend who is /TV/ too, and I just suggested him to watch season 1. Season 2 and 3 are honestly a letdown
>>62970652
The titular characters of House and Dexter.
Martin Sheen in The West Wing.
Bryan Cranston in Breaking Bad.
Avery Brooks in DS9.
>>62970785
"The Sabbath Queen" is the best episode of tv that NBC ever aired simply based on his performance.
>>62971688
"You can go now, brother"
Awww fug. Gotta rewatch deadwood now.
>>62971282
Brad Dourif is cheating fäm, he was great even in Dune
>>62972184
Fucking full on bawled my eyes out at the last 20 minutes of that episode. Jesus christ.
