>Film comes out based on a book.
>Doesn't follow the source material exactly but is still a solid movie and has some really shining moments.
>Fans of said book bash the film to oblivion because it doesn't follow the original work completely. Even though on its own, the movie is still pretty good.
Im not saying motion picture adaptions shouldn't be criticised of missing out certain points from the source material. But to call something completely shit like pic related just because it wasn't an exact copy of your beloved reading material is fucking stupid.
>>62950443
I was a huge fan of the graphic novel before the film came out and I still think the film is really great. So basically you're wrong.
(Although I do think practically every change they made was for the worse)
The changes betray a lack of understanding to the rest of the source material. The changes also make the entire movie a plot hole.
The changes were also idiotic. As american superweapon going berserk doesn't result in world peace, it results in every nuke everyone has getting launched, simultaniously. The US would assume manhattan had defected, the USSR would assume manhattan was just attacking them, and no one would've known manhattan attacked everyone till alien historians discovered earth and tried to piece together it's history.
I don't know where the hate for this comes from. It's literally better than every marvel movie ever made.
The problem was that it was simultaneously too slavishly devoted to the material yet crucially thematically different, so it felt like Snyder completely missed the point.
>>62951306
This
>>62951248
>le Marvel comparison
It's a shit movie even if you compare it to other shit
>>62951138
Your interpretation of how something might've gone down is not a plot hole you moron
>>62951355
How is it a shit movie?
>>62950443
>pretty good
>goest for a scene by scene, frame by frame adaptation of the source material to bending the whole ending and thus changing most of the moral implication of the source
It should either have gone for complete fidelity or changed more so that the end holds itself.
>>62951412
I bet you liked Winter Soldier
>>62951393
>>62951306
Please stop making this threads to create hype for BvS and countering any criticism with another question, we've been trough this a hundred times already
>>62951497
Stop thinking "hurr it sucks" is valid criticism
>>62951412
>Beleiving reviews
>Ever
Protipgokillyourselffaggot
>>62951486
Indeed I did. Better than 95% of dc trash and literally, objectively, better than all of Snyder's works. (but then a lot of Marvel movies are)
>>62950443
It isn't completely shit, it's actually one of the best capeshit movies ever but compared to the comic it IS shit.
You really can'd adapt most of Moore's work, just like you can't adapt Infinite Jest or Gravity's Rainbow
>>62951547
>being this mad at the truth
Honestly, someone doing a proper adaptation needed the change the book more while retaining the underlying concepts,. Visionary Director Zach Snyder did the opposite, copying the book while constantly choosing wrong-headed directoral choices like glorifying the violence, when the whole thing really should have been more like a gritty cop drama, not being super-glossy with slo-mo and undermining the whole damn point.
Basically, it wanted to be 'cool' and faux-'edgy' and ended up as a superficial pile of shit which teenagers will think is grown-up.
>>62951367
what
I immensely enjoy both the book and the movie. I completely do not understand the hate for the movie.
Disclaimer: I am an admitted hyper-pleb
I wouldn't call it completely shit. It's probably the best Watchmen adaptation we could have gotten out of Snyder so that's something.
also the trailer was pretty sick
>>62951367
2nded. A lot of people have this problem.
>>62951657
Fucking this.
>>62951591
I actually think Wachoskis did mostly a good job with V for Vendetta, far better than Watchmen anyway. It wasn't a good version of the book, but they knew they made a good *movie* out of it.
>>62951706
While it's the best adaptation of any Moore comic yet, it still missed the point by making V into an almost perfect good guy while in the book he was far more morally ambigious
>>62951657
Good summary.
To me it can be summed up to a Kanye-like:
>Zak Snyder doesn't understand irony.
>>62951773
V was still a crazy murdering psychopath in the movie. Just he was in the right, kinda.
>>62951619
>Not having your own opinion
>>62951582
>Indeed I did
Remove the elevator scene, the jet scene, and the knife fight and the movie is completely forgettable. I'll remember the final act of Man of Steel for years to come. I literally have no idea what's going on in the final act of winter soldier. Good sequences don't make a good movie.
>>62951697
>>62951367
Its clear you have no idea what plothole hes talking about.
In the movie, there was nothing to cause the comedian's breakdown.
>>62951657
>like glorifying the violence
I hated this. Everything had to be slick and ultra violent even when it didn't fit. Like the Dan and Laurie alley fight
>>62951846
>I'll remember the final act of Man of Steel for years to come.
No one else will.
You like a shit flick. No one cares.
>>62951773
As a stand-alone movie, it was mostly good with one or two shitty bits. As an adaptation of the original work, it was flawed but commendable.
But, generally, I'd much rather have a good movie than a good adaptation
>>62951706
the Wachowski's didn't direct V for Vendetta. When will this meme die?
>>62951917
Eh it wasn't that commendable honestly, it missed a lot of little details that made Watchmen so special.
Even the Ultimate edition with the pirate story still didn't get it
>>62951896
>Marvelfag gets BTFO
>N-no one cares loooser
Haha, bye kid.
>>62951996
I was talking about V, not Watchmen.
>>62951969
They didn't? Oh, my bad.
>>62951846
>Good sequences don't make a good movie.
Except when it's a DC movie of course.
>>62952038
oh, alright then
>>62952050
Because they tend to be a little more serious, Joss.
>>62952050
Well, DC movies are easier to follow than marvel movies.
>>62952005
>btfo
>>62951846
>Comparing capeshit to other capeshit
It's all shit. Talk about something else fuck, even star wars threads are more entertaining than all this capeshit
>>62952103
>DC movies are easier to follow than marvel movies.
>>62951848
Wait, what?
>>62952126
>stawp talkin about wha i dun liek
k
>>62952118
kek
>>62952161
>types like a retard when mimicking the other guy to belittle him
>types like a retard himself afterward
Curious.
>>62952118
Ant man is better than Man of Steel. Is that what you're really trying to say? If you're as intelligent as you think you are you'd know that's a lie.
>>62952126
make your own thread then retard
why are you here
I don't go to /hm/ and talk shit about what you like
>>62952126
Saying nigger over and over again isn't entertaining, young man
>>62952156
In the comic, finding an island filled with 2nd rate authors, comic book artists, geneticists, and psychics all working to programm a giant telepathic squid to brainwash the plant broke the comedian.
In the movie, veidt was building power plants, with zero indication he was doing anything else, or had any further plans, yet the comedian breaks down anyway.
>>62952251
>that's a lie.
Except it's not. Not hard tho to be fair, man of steel is dogshit.
>>62952297
He doesn't breakdown at all actually. Veidt just murders him for no reason.
>>62952287
i will refute that point
i believe the repeated use of the word nigger is perhaps an underestimated comedic joy
>>62952334
They included the scene where he was crying in molock's apartment. At least in one version.
>>62952297
All I got from the movie was that the Comedian knew what he was up to and was powerless to do anything. I don't remember it being explicitly stated what the extent of his knowledge was.
>>62952297
you reckon they could actually pull off another adaptation of the graphic novel and keep it 100% faithful without it seeming too weird?
>>62952306
Man of steel comes closer to being a film more than Ant-man ever will dude you know that.
>>62952420
>closer to being a film
Fucking lol
>>62952411
The entire point of the squid was how weird it was.
>my underage fantasies are better than your underage fantasies
I love it when retards fight
>>62952118
>6.2/10
>56% Rotten
>6.8/10
>80% Certified Fresh
RT is confusing.
>>62952397
Unless veidt personally told him, there was literally nothing to indicate veidt planned to wipe out a bunch of cities.
>>62952504
What are you basing that on? Please spoonfeed me.
>>62952420
I dunno man, i was a lot more entertained during ant man than i was with man of steel.
I went into both with different expectations of each though. Just found Ant man was easier to watch. There were just moments in Man of Steel where it was frustrating to see the characters acting nonsensically. Pulled me out of it. Had really high hopes for it as well but ended up ultimately disappointed
BvS will blow Civil War out the water because it's basically Watchmen 2: Heroes I give a shit about, and even if it weren't for that Age of Ultron made the entire capeshit genre look bad.
>>62952558
I think he's basing it on the fact that nobody but Veidt actually knew what those power plants were for, even the scientists who built them died thinking they were an energy industry breakthrough
>>62952495
the percentage is reviews that are positive. So with antman, of the 244, 195 reviews were positive, then with MoS, only 162 out of 289 reviews were positive.
>>62952583
Yeah, you on it.
>>62952306
Actually it's mother fucking incredible.
>>62952583
What power plants? The chambers that created Dr. M? Are you saying that Veidt knew the accident would spawn an almost omnipotent being?
Sorry I only read the comic once 11 years ago and the movie once on release.
>>62950443
>Film comes out based on a book.
>book
>unironically refering to a comic
>>62952728
I was talking in general. I used the watch man as an example udolt.
>>62952777
>using a comic as an example of a "book"
>>62952577
>Age of Ultron made the entire capeshit genre look bad
How is that exactly???
>>62952719
In the movies Veidt reverse engineered the process by which Manhattan was created and built a weapon 10X more powerful than the hydrogen bomb.
In order to built these bombs in secret, and to hide the massive energy outputs creating them would create, he claimed to have invented new power plants in which he could safely build them
>>62950443
People don't hate Watchmen because it deviated from the source material, they hate it because it's a pretentious mess.
If you didn't read the book, the film will probably make little sense to you.
For a film that takes itself so seriously, it has some pretty loony moments. The fight scenes are really self-indulgent and undercut any intelligence the film might display, and the on-the-nose music choices like "The Times They are A-Changing" and "Flight of the Valkyries" during that Vietnam bit and a sped up version of Mozart's Requiem are downright goofy. Also Laurie's mother couldn't act for shit and Michael Fassbender really blew it by portraying the villain as a holier-than-thou genius-- I mean, it was supposed to be a surprise that he was the villain, but he actually acts like he's an actual hero.
Visually the film looks great, and it has some great moments, but the inconsistent tone and the enormous scope of the story really killed it.
>>62952728
>>62952810
desu Watchmen is so good it deserves the title "book"
>>62950443
So /tv/ with the Hobbit Films?
>>62952901
No reddit, no it did not
>>62952944
have you even read Watchmen?
>>62952728
>if people itt hadn't used the term comic you would've slammed them for referring to watchmen as a book
ebin
>>62952898
>Michael Fassbender really blew it by portraying the villain as a holier-than-thou genius-- I mean, it was supposed to be a surprise that he was the villain, but he actually acts like he's an actual hero.
This is some next level trolling
>>62952864
You mean the book right?
>>62952898
Posting from a universe where fassbender was in watchmen? and it was worse for it?
>>62953069
No that was in the movie.
In the book he kidnapped artists, biologists, musicians, physicists, sci fi writers and psychics and had them build a squid like creature that seemed like it was an alien
>>62951834
>people can't share views and opinions with other people
damn
>>62952728
>A commercial success, Watchmen has received critical acclaim both in the comics and mainstream press, and is considered by several critics and reviewers as one of the most significant works of 20th century literature. Watchmen was recognized in Time's List of the 100 Best Novels as one of the best English language novels published since 1923, and placed #91 on The Comics Journal's list of the top 100 comics of the 20th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen
Cretin
>>62950443
Directors cut keeps in the best scene with Hollis Mason getting killed by the top knots.
Good movie 2bh familia
>>62952898
>Talking shit about the intro
That was one of the best parts you moronic duck
>>62951412
>believeing rotten tomajews
Surely all those capeshit flicks deserve all their 75-95%
>>62954024
Put it this way,
>alternative history montage
>TAHHMS TEHY ARE A CHAANNGIN!!!
I-I like all the comic book movies because they're fun and I see them as a standalone from the series as a whole.
>>62954199
Look, I want to understand your point. You thought the music was wrong?
>>62952577
>BvS will blow Civil War out the water because it's basically Watchmen 2: Heroes I give a shit about
Literally nobody gives a shit about superman these days hence why they constantly reboot it. Batman still has some draw from the Nolan movies however
>>62954275
>wrong
It was way way way too on point. Like, cringeworthy. The song is good, the visuals were good, together they were garbage.
>>62954362
You mean it felt like "LOOK! WE'RE SUBTLE! AREN'T WE SMART?"
>>62954362
>>62954420
I'm pretty sure it was thay way on purpose guys
>>62954355
It will gross 2 billion. Easily.
Reminder that the original is an ok superhero movie, but the "ultimate cut" that lasts for fucking 3 hours and 50 min, is a great film. One of the best superhero movies ever actually.
>>62950443
Are we talking about Lord of the rings?
>tfw no bombadil
>tfw no hobbitwar
>>62954506
More like whatever MoS grossed + 200 million
>>62952728
/lit/ pls leave
