Jesus Christ this was painful.
>>62924063
>being a pleb
It's the most entry level of all the pleb detectors.
Congrats on failing the test.
Yeah, I've never understood the hype either.
Fellini's worst quite honestly
the bluray transfer? or the movie?
i dont know how anyone could find 8 and a half 'painful' persay
>>62924112
>muh depressed upper class director
Also feature one of the most unbearable woman character in the history of film.
No such thing as a good Italian movie.
>>62924063
Ive seen felinis work but not this particular movie.
Guys if you don't like his work there is tons of cape shit to be seen like seriously why even bother with slow no action movies.
I prefer Nights of Cabiria
but 8 and a half is pretty good too
>>62924233
That was fun stuff.I remember seeing it few years back
>>62924063
The children of playstation cannot begin to comprehend cinema, nothing to see here folks.
>>62924256
Giulietta Masina has some of the best female physical comedy ever in that movie. Comedic actresses today ought to learn from it.
>these comments
Millennials have nothing in common with great men like Guido. How could spoiled, infantilized man children even hope to understand this film? There is literally an unbridgeable experiential gap.
For those of us who have lived a day in our lives, its fantastic. 9.5/10
>>62924366
watch La Stada and Juliet of the Spirits, she's a very good "serious" actress as well
>>62924381
How old are you ?
>>62924415Did i pinch a nerve reddit?
this is why we need a /film/ split
>>62924459
there are a lot more reasons but I doubt it will ever happen. reddit won, capeshit and star wars are here to stay I guess
>>62924186
Il grande silenzio desu senpai
>>62924459
Why do you people assume I'm into capeshit because I disliked one single film of a particular director ? 90% of the films I watch are exactly this kind. It's this one in particular I found unbearable.
>>62924063
>op is a pleb
nothing new here
>>62924407
of definitely, I haven't seen Juliet of the Spirits but she was great in La Strada
>>62924459
I think all the """""""""""""patricians""""""""""""" should fuck off to the Criterion Collection's forum.
>>62924063
Fellini, Godard and Antonioni are the biggest self-masturbatory tryhard faggots who have ever lived.
>>62924615
>Why do you people assume I'm into capeshit
because the probability of this being the case is very very high on this board
>>62924437
You didn't answer his simple question.
>>62924659
Funny because I also strongly dislike Godard. Of the ''greats'' of filmmaking these are the only two I truly dislike.
I dunno man, Guido is a pretty spoiled infantalized manchild if you ask me
>>62924701
>>muh depressed upper class director
yeah what a compelling argument, I'm sure he's so insightful
>>62924718
People write off Godard too quickly here. Noone likes to hear this but you honestly probably actually truly do not un-der-stand him.
I first saw Contempt and Pierrot Le Fou in highschool. I didn't like either. Five years later and I finally get them. At the very least don't completely cast him aside as someone you decidedly don't like. Give him another chance sometime down the road. The man himself is an annoying pretentious fuck but he makes good movies.
>>62924147
>persay
It's like begging to be called a retarded pleb
>>62924718
That's because they are utter shit-at-canvas tier and anyone who fellates them falls under the same description I gave above in my post.
Fellini was the single most tryhard hack in Italy in the history of moving pictures. Also not all French directors were pieces of pseudo-intellectual shits during that time.
Jean-Pierre Melville, François Truffaut and Luis Buñuel, now those I can respect and appreciate. True masters of their craft unlike those nu-art school hipster edge lords.
>>62924652
I think all the """"wanna be"""" trip faggots need to kill themselves. This is not reddit, you don't get le reddit gold for funny posts here.
>>62924907
>all these meme buzzwords
>>62924437
8 1/2 is literally reddit's first arthouse.
Let me guess, you also think The Seventh Seal and Rashomon are the greatest films of all time?
>>62924659
Antonioni's best works aren't even masturbatory though. The Eclipse is one of the most simple and easy to follow movies
>>62924678
The probability of that being the case is very high in the general population. Everyone likes super hero movies. I think you're just to insecure to admit that you like them.
>>62924828
Kurosawa called Godard shit. Bergman called Godard a big shitdicksucking retard. Orson Welles called him a brain damaged bastard child.
Godard was a pseudo-intellectual film critic who only got into film to "show dem stoopid film makers how film is done!" and one can see this.
He made movies for the kind of broom-in-his-ass uppity tryhard faggot critics like himself for the credit's sake.
>>62924828
so far I've seen contempt, le petit soldat, a woman is a woman, breathless, and alphaville, which was the only film out of all of these I actually liked. considering how extensive his filmography is, I wouldn't immediately disregard him but it does seem like I'll never really appreciate his style and approach, in particular the dialogue. It just feels so meaningless half the time, both the characters and the films themselves but clearly people that seem to be more experienced in terms of film than I am don't reciprocate this view
>>62925082
he gave up after 1967 so it doesn't even matter
>>62925011
>tfw "edgy" and "fedora" have literally changed people's entire opinions on this site
call me edgy or a hipster or whatever but capeshit is vile garbage and should be fucking eradicated
>>62924063
Too close to home, OP?
Anthony Bourdain
>>62924063
I think there's an unfortunate tendency on this board to dismiss anyone who dismisses a revered classic. The people who immediately just start yelling pleb and contrarian at anyone who dislikes a classic are generally the people who probably don't know that much about film and are happy to embrace anything that they saw at the top of some list without being able to discuss it or realize if they actually enjoyed it. Sometimes there are classics that are shit, guys.
That being said, 8 1/2 is not one of them.
I watched Seven Samurai recently though and it has to be one of the most overrated movies I've ever seen. I have no idea how to wrap my head around the massive, heaping praise that movie receives. It's thoroughly mediocre in its zany, often dull massively unnecessary run time. It also pales significantly in comparison to movies like Ikiru and Throne of Blood. I don't think this judgment makes me a pleb, I think it makes me more willing to challenge the stale, traditional taste that some critics cling to.
>>62925241
>Throne of Blood
this doesn't get anywhere near the praise it deserves here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5MtUiYxBiY
also I thought even Dersu Uzala was better than seven samurai
>>62925159
Nah, you're not a hipster. You choose what you like based on the image you're trying to project and you get angry about the things you don't "like".
You're a teenager.
>>62925226
best post ITT
>>62925287
>image
on an anonymous forum? I could be a 47 year-old sheboon for all you know. btw I do pretend to like it in real life
>>62925010
>The Eclipse
>8½
Pretty pictures, beautiful cinematography. As intellectually and emotionally engaging as your average 3D card screensaver. Neither the respective directors best worth, they're literally "look, I'm a director, let me demonstrate what I can do" tier, much like such screensaver show if they're graphically up to snuff. I genuinely hate both films, and I hate the unfounded critical and academic circlejerk that has been circled from film professor to student from the days they at least hold a semblance of relevance unlike they do to day. You really know you're dealing with a pompous, stuck up his ass film snob if he names either film or their directors as their favorite, and can take their opinion with a grain of salt. Because when you're dealing with a plebian, at least he does not think he's somehow superior to you from having watched all the Clone Wars cartoons, but many of you insufferable fuckers put the most insufferable shit on pedestals, not because it's that great or cinematically relevant, but because Sight & Sound said so, or it had a Criterion release (big whoop, Armageddon is there)
>>62925241
Seven Samurai gets the praise because it was made in 1954 and became the foundation for so many variables in film.
Mizoguchi's Sansho the Bailiff from the same year is a better movie though, and holds up better today.
>>62925241
You talk as if you were the measure. I could say exactly the same shit you said for 8 1/2.
This whole thread proves that /film/ is the worst idea ever
>>62925395
yeah that's what I mean. I can appreciate Samurai's historical import but after seeing it once I doubt I'll ever have even the slightest inclination to sit down with it again.
And yeah, Mizoguchi rules pretty hard. Tokyo Story came out in 1953 and it's leagues better than fucking Samurai.
>>62925450
how? if anything, /film/ would help to elevate everyone's status from pleb to at least midtrician
were samurai movies the capeshit of their time?
>>62925489
Tokyo Story was made by Ozu, you wannabe film connoisseur
>>62925534
No, westerns were.
>>62924063
I thought it was a tedious bore, actually.
>>62925657
>westerns
which more or less took their cue from samurai movies
>>62925599
uh yeah, how did what I say imply it wasn't by Ozu? I was moving on to another Japanese director working in the same time period as those two who was also way, way better than Kurosawa. you serious mate?
>>62925709
>He thinks Ozu is better than Kurosawa
The ultimate sign of a pleb
>>62925740
Late Spring is better than any Kurosawa filmKobayashi and Mizoguchi are superior to both of them though desu
>>62924828
What's to understand? His films were either pretentnious knockoffs of American film noir or hamfisted communist political propaganda.
>>62924186
Zombie (and other Lucio Fulci films)
The "Dollars" trilogy
Suspiria
Probably others.
>>62925740
you serious mate? Kurosawa has to be one of the weakest of the entry-level arthouse directors. Ozu is so, so, so much better than him. The only Kurosawa movies that stand up to the best 6 or 7 Ozu movies are Ikiru and Throne of Blood. Late Spring and Tokyo Story are both far, far better than anything Kurosawa touched.
>>62924907
Didn't Melville have a strong dislike of the 60's French new wave movement?
>>62925823
>Kobayashi and Mizoguchi are superior to both of them though desu
this tb͏h f͏am
>>62925675
No, you blockhead. Westerns are pretty much one of Hollywood's oldest genre. They predate talkies, and Hollywood really, and were a huge influence on the Samurai genre. Spaghetti westerns and the western revival of the 60s and 70s however looked at what the Japanese had pioneered in the similar genre that had reached its hight there when westerns in the west were out, the most famous example being how Sergio Leone "plagiarized" Kurosawa when he lifted plot elements straight from Yojimbo, which in turn lifted its plot almost verbatim from Dashiell Hammett's book Red Harvest. The western wasn't just an isolated genre of Hollywood and other markets looking for inspiration in foreign cinema; there was a great boom in public interest in art-house cinema in the 60s and 70s that inspired young film makers to broaden their horizons.
>>62924415
>>62924699
>millennial babbies think 4chin is their private treehouse
Im sorry but if you dont think 8 1/2 is a classic your opinion is invalid.
Its not an opinion. Its not debatable. All the people in this thread saying "its not good desu senpai" have no clue what they are talking about. I'm sorry, go watch game of thrones or breaking bad, go post in your subreddit, go masturbate to your shitty post and unwarranted sense of self importance. We wont be able to reach you.
I dont know how else to say it, saying 8 1/2 is bad is the equivalent of saying "I'm a pleb, please ignore me." I dont care how butthurt you get, its the truth.
/tv/ is truly lost.
>>62926004
You need help
>>62926004
>private treehouse
what's a treehouse grandpa?
>>62924998
>The more obscure a work is, the better it is. Films that are considered the best of all time cannot be so.
That's why the greatest film ever made is the home video I shot with my friends when I was 12.
>>62925657
redundant wording fucko
>>62926032
>thinks he can take someone down with partial sentences
Go back to Titter and post some more teats.
>>62926147
I bet that was more intellectually and emotionally engaging than 8½. I mean, besides the stellar beginning, it's a pompous, bloated bore. I'd rather watch you dick around with your 12 year old buddies for 138 minutes.
>>62926147
12 is pretty young to start making pornos.
>>62926147
>implying that overrated trash isn't entry-level pleb shit
my 5 hour black and white film on a liquor store wall is clearly the greatest film ever made
brings tears of pure euphoria to anyone who has seen it
>>62926026
>It's not an opinion. It's not debatable.
THIS is the issue. People here saying they don't like 8 1/2 are actually giving reasons why and we're getting some actual discussion.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a pleb. In fact, you're the pleb for being so closed to arguments and ideas.
I'm tired of people doing nothing but name call "Pleb!" "Pleb!" Instead, have an actually discussion. Defend why you like a movie, or why you don't. Take arguments into account and either refute or concede to them. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, if you don't back it up and do nothing but name call, YOU'RE the one shitposting and ruining the board
Aside from the great cinematography, I would really like to know what people found so interesting in the characters or the story to consider this one of the greatest film ever made. I may rewatch it with a new eye after, because right now I honestly think this was a overindulgent, narcissistic film about ''sad'' upper class people with very little substence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrUpTliVq5c
Can anyone top Fellini?
>>62926004
>He still hasn't answered
It's amazing how fast and inarticulately you guys dismiss one director or claim other is superior. There's not even a attempt to compare the styles or overall merit of their movies it's basically tier lists structured differently. For fucks sakes guy as long as you still discuss films like this you will never truly appreciate and understand the medium. It's all wasted on you, it never reverberates because you are just a pleb in a disguise.
>>62927734
how old were you when your dad first molested you?
>>62927981
you will have a chance to educate on /film/
http://www.4chan.org/feedback
write to your hiro today
>>62928122
>write to your hiro today
>hiro
he's dead m9 no one has heard from him since he went to Paris
>>62928223
>tweeted literally 2 days ago
>>62928276
poor anon still in the denial stage
>>62927567
Op here. I actually adore Satyricon. I'm really talking about 8 1/2. I don't dismiss all Fellini.
>It's eight and a half inches long
Jesus christ, really?
>>62928383
Is hiro really dead ?
>>62926147
james cameron please. it's not pretentious/reddit/fedora/whateveruselessmemewordyouwanttouse to realize those films are entry-level and therefore only a stepping stone for better things. there are thousands of better ones out there so why arrive at any conclusions at such an early stage in your film-watching career?
truly incapable of discussion
if this fucking movie THIS FUCKING MOVIE is enough to scare off /tv/ into a meandering discussion about who is more patrician and pleb rather than discussing any points in the movie itself than this board if far, far beyond saving.
>>62930899
>I'm mad because people said mean things about the first Fellini movie that I saw on Netflix :(
>>62930899
typing out a lot of shit is hard for all the mobile posters but yes it is a shame no one ever delves into specifics during these threads. it's a shame I'm not doing it right now
>>62931087
No one can dive into specifics because there's nothing to discuss because 8 and 1/2 men is from decades ago and has been discussed to death, just type it in on google scholar and you'll get whatever "specifics" you want to hear.
