Name 1 show better than The Sopranos.
The Wire doesn't count because it's almost as good if not as good.
>>62710541
Mad Men
All in the Family
Six Feet Under
Seinfeld
>>62710541
no show will ever be as good as The Sopranos because people are too lazy to think up a rich cast with well done character progression
>>62710581
I would totally disagree.
breaking bad
>>62710541
i like you OP, you sound like a guy with his head on straight
>>62710581
yeah I think SFU is the only show that can come close to The Sopranos
I can't take The Wire seriously any more after realizing how unrealistically enlightened every character is
>WE'RE ALL PAWNS MAN
>THE WORLD IS GETTING WARMER, BUT PEOPLE ARE GETTING COLDER... WOAH...
True Detective S1
>it's a Ralphie episode
>>62710850
HOOOOAHHHHHHH
Anything
Sopranos is the plebest of pleb shows
>>62710762
>unrealistically enlightened
>nothing you quoted is "unrealistic enlightenment"
The Wire has some of the best writing on a TV show, ever.
>>62710679
eh good pic. but i udnno. maybe if breaking bad was on HBO.
Flash. It's just too fun.
>>62710745
s2 finale?
Miami Vice
>>62710885
you crazy man. the wire was written so well.
>>62711003
yessir
the twilight zone ('58)
Carnivale
The Leftovers
Deadwood
>>62711053
The song started playing in my head.
>>62710541
Mad Men is the only show better than The Sopranos.
>>62710541
what's bruce springsteen's friend doing there?
>>62710541
there isn't
everybody knows it
Sopranos and the wire are the pinnacle of television, there is nothing beyond those two shows
>>62711212
Mad Men is close.
>>62711130
>leftovers
>carnivale
other 2 aren't better either, but still good shows at least
>>62710541
There is too many characters in the sopranos I find it hard to remember everyones name and know who everyone fucking is am I a retard?
>>62711413
this must be bait
>it's an extended dream sequence episode
>>62711413
well memed sire
>>62711413
yes, you may have the memory of a goldfish
>>62710541
deadwood is better sopranos and the wire.
/thread?
/thread.
>>62710541
Cheers was a better show
The Wire is the most important show ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY79JCfhjw
Nothing that's been posted in this thread so far is better than The Sopranos. Sopranos was the product of a depressed man who was fed up with television and grew up with European art cinema. The show captured a certain something about humanity, the way we're all in own little worlds with our own self-interests where honest communication hardly ever happens and truths become disguised as lies and these become the norms. Relationships would be slowly destroyed as more and more issues pile up and festered in the character's subconscious. Sopranos had an unmatched understanding of people, the way they talk, act, interact, react, everything. The show went deeper than any other when it came to exploring its main character, how he became the way he was (bringing up themes of determinism), his relationships with his children (the way generations pass and his cognitive dissonance in regards to his attitude towards A.J), his relationship with his wife (probably the most honest portrayal of a marriage in all its ugliness). The show works on a macro level in how it captures the American decline contrasting the optimism of the late 90s to the angst of post-9/11 America. It's a critique of America's culture and materialism that's swallowed up the spiritual ideals the characters spout.
The show was full of existential dread and had this huge focus on human mortality, what's it all worth and the afterlife. Characters would have these fleeting moments of introspection before being inevitably consumed by daily life. Perhaps the show's strongest point was how The Sopranos embraced ambiguity towards these topics already inherently devoid of resolution. The series questions whether these characters can or even want to change in a medium where change isn't allowed. These characters don't change, they refuse to look at all their sins because they couldn't acknowledge that they've led an empty existence. This is unfortunately much more true to life than we'd like to admit.
Lost
deadwood.
/thread?
/thread.
>>62712969
Not only was The Sopranos devoid of instant gratification, of all the big HBO shows it was arguably the most experimental and formally daring. The show could go through all different kinds of moods organically, perfectly capturing the oneiric nature of dreams that lasted for more than 20 minutes, a comedic to nightmarish episode like Whoever Did This, a supernatural bottle episode like Pine Barrens and an entire final season full of orange hues and filtering consuming the screen, reflecting an impressionistic dreamscape and a subconscious thematic logic dictating the flow of events. A metaphorical and literal coma experience representing Tony's life in stagnation and decay and a beautiful apocalyptic and simultaneously mundane final episode capturing the viewer's unease and the dramatization of death as a concept.
>>62712969
>>62713142
patrician spotted.
Write more stuff anon. What's your favorite episode?
>>62710581
>Six Feet Under
definitely not. Mad Men maybe.
>>62713247
Kennedy and Heidi - starts out with an extremely major and visceral character death but rather than leaving me in horror or tears, I felt uncomfortably numb watching Chris go away which I felt was the intended reaction. The whole episode is left with that feeling as Tony exchanges platitudes with those around him and seeks validation as to whether he's done the right thing. The whole funeral scene is just a really well-done meditation of death and how the family reacts to it. The surreal nature of the Tony's trip to Vegas and taking Peyote is incredible. I love subtle imagery/connections employed in this episode: the beacon of light being recalled in both the car crash scene and ending scene, Tony dialing two numbers on the phone before hanging up like in the coma, Tony staring at the lights in the bathroom just like when he got resuscitated from the coma , Tony looking at the baby seat, the devil on the pinball machine, Tony slouching in the desert as described in the second coming poem (the name of the next episode), Tony having sex with a former goomar of Chris could be him becoming one with Chris reflecting the whole 'everything is connected' theory, the duck sounds in the end as the asbestos is dumped meaning Tony is indirectly harming the ducks. There's a lot more, just a really powerful and complex episode with nothing being laid out for the audience. The episode signals the end of Tony Sopranos' character arc with him essentially giving up on his last chance at redemption. His success when gambling is a direct contrast to the Chasing It episode where he was constantly losing. For Tony, he feels he is being rewarded for his actions by the universe itself.
>>62713142
>oneiric nature of dreams
stop using words you dont understand
>>62710541
>tfw waiting for this 67GB 720p BDrip of sopranos I got from rutracker to finish
Will it be worth it boys? Hope I'm not getting memed on and wasting a lot of time for a crappy show.
>>62713490
beautiful, and great episode choice too. Kennedy and Heidi has to be in anybody's top 5 list IMO. It's just so fucking good. How do you interpret the "I get it!" at the end of the episode? Do you feel it's just an empty, psychedelic-induced epiphany? Or something else?
>>62713556
>rutracker
enjoy that one hidden virus that activates as soon as you play an episode
>>62713556
Sopranos is probably the most prolific American curls production of the last 25 years.
Maison Ikkoku
Gankutsuou
Future Boy Conan
>>62713633
one punch man is better than all of those
>>62713558
I also think it's just another empty epiphany among others in Tony's life. Rather than honest introspection and catharsis through therapy, Tony 'gets something' while high on peyote in the desert but forgets it all to actually gain anything from it. I've read a theory on how it relates to Johnny Boy and the everything is everything theory discussed by doctor Schwinn in the show. Anyway, it's all forgotten and Tony's right back where he started by the final episode, complaining about his mom to his own son's therapist. A long journey leading to nowhere.
>>62710541
Frasier
>>62713709
It's on par with One Piece...
>>62713757
fuck no. nothing holds a candle to one piece
>>62711006
this is the best answer in the thread
>>62710541
im glad no one said Oz
Better Call Saul will be the greatest television show in the history of the business when it's all said and done. You can BOOK IT
Black Books is a masterpiece, and the finale is my favorite episode of any TV show I've seen.
>>62712969
Good shit dude
>>62710541
breaking bad
rick and morty
wow, that was so hard
>>62712969
>>62713142
>>62713490
This is how /tv/ should be. I'm too retarded to be like you anon but I'll contribute by limiting my shitposting
But The Wire is leagues above.
You want it to be one way OP, but it be another way.
>>62710914
mfw we will never get Breaking Bad on HBO because HBO turned it down asking Vince to change the drug from meth to something else...
>>62713142
>The Sopranos devoid of instant gratification
It was about organized crime. If it wasn't, you might have a point there.
>>62710541
The Shield
>>62716628
the instant gratification was the characters', though. whether it was the viewers' as well was left to the individual.
>>62716993
Not so much. Organized crime is the tastiest, most effective plebbait known to man. And its not like the sopranos did much in the way of screwing with plebs.
>>62710850
IT WAS A FUCKING HOAARRRRRRRSSSSSEEE
>>62710581
>meme men
>american sitcom with laughing track
>>62717011
>its not like the sopranos did much in the way of screwing with plebs.
don't mistake being consistently entertaining for being plebian, anon. I shouldn't have to point out the obvious ways The Sopranos got plebs butthurt.
but ignoring the ending, the very first episode has Tony chasing after a pedestrian in his car, knocking him over, and then beating him up while bystanders do nothing. assuming that we're meant to get "omg Tony is badass" from that is just the result of your preconceptions shaping your interpretation of filmmaker intent.
>>62710581
>Six Feet Under
it's actually fucking hilarious how thoroughly Made In America shits on Alan Ball's weepy pandering attempt to capture the essence of mortality with his own plebby ending.
Married With Children
>>62710850
Rome season 1
Sopranos = Mad Men > The Wire
The top 3.
>>62716921
yeah, no.
>>62717225
>Sopranos = Mad Men
Deluded fuckface
>>62717098
I'm describing the way the show made sure the plebs were painstakingly kept informed upon the motivations for every development through melfi/tony therapy sessions as "plebian."
Let's be honest here. No one watches The Sopranos. People just say they do to seem smart.
>>62717598
actually those scenes had a fuckton of subtext too. when Melfi did something ineffectual we were often expected to figure it out for ourselves what it actually meant, as with the ending of season 3 where Tony openly acknowledges he keeps banging women who are like his mom in Amor Fou (the scene with Gloria) but then in the last scene of the season continues to fail to join the dots when Melfi tries to lead him to the conclusion he's already made in therapy.
How can you say Sopranos was instant gratification to the viewers when everyone wanted Melfi to unleash Tony on her rapist and what we got was the long term gratification of realizing Melfi was a way better person than everyone else on the show and the viewers
![15574734_910c3cdf1c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iJ44PPZ.jpg "15574734_910c3cdf1c[1].jpg")
deadwood
>>62717625
Why would watching the second most popular HBO show ever make you seem smart?
>>62717787
tfw no tony/melfi doujins
>>62717759
> those scenes had a fuckton of subtext too
Which melfi was sure to point out.
>>62717967
I literally gave an example where she didn't point out the subtext correctly (although I got where the scene was wrong lol).
another example is where Tony is owed money by his highschool friend, agrees to accept the guy's son's SUV in payment, and gives it to Meadow even though he knows she is friends with the son.
Tony personally suggests the idea that he wanted to "rub his daughters face in shit" but Melfi insists on trying to interpret it more superficially (as an attempt to set Meadow free) because she can't accept how abusive Tony is being. the audience isn't clued in directly that Melfi is obviously making excuses for Tony.
>>62718107
> the audience isn't clued in directly that Melfi is obviously making excuses for Tony.
yes, because showing melfi clearly making excuses for tony isn't cluing the audience in on anything.
Why was the Columbus episode critically panned for being about identity politics? The whole show was filled with examinations of identity politics.
>>62716921
Not better but more entertaining.
>>62718633
not even more entertaining
>>62718225
it was up to the audience to realize that the showrunners were presenting them as excuses.
you are literally making the case for your patricianess on the basis of imaginary strawman plebians understanding a scene. comes off as a desperate plea to be told how smart you are for thinking the show was too on-the-nose.
>>62718363
it was one of the few times where the show actually was too obvious about what it was saying. wound up feeling like an episode of the Simpsons.
If you were Melfi would you have told Tony about the rape?
>>62718683
of course, he'll be dead in like 2 years anyway
>>62717441
I can already tell you are a pleb who watched one episode and turned it off because it was "boring".
>>62718657
>you are literally making the case for your patricianess on the basis of imaginary strawman plebians understanding a scene.
Uh, no, that's what you're doing.
>>62710581
>Seinfeld wasn't shit
this meme is still a thing?
>>62713988
>ROWEEEEEEEEENA
>>62718703
I'm rewatching the series (after seeing Sopranos threads on here), watched this episode about 20 mins ago. 8 or 9 years ago when I last watched it I didn't understand why she didn't tell him
>>62718844
Remember her dream? Tony is the pitbtull.
>>62718657
>it was one of the few times where the show actually was too obvious about what it was saying.
Sure, it wasn't subtle, but I thought that was fitting since the episode was framed byTony's/Chase's sense of frustration at how ridiculous identity politics can get. The episode was full of great moments.
>Janice's therapist makes a bunch of feminism-informed excuses for her relationship with Ralphie
>"God grant me the strength."
>"She will."
>>62710541
Deadwood
Fargo
>>62718881
>Fargo
Fargo
>>FARGo
>>>F>A>R>G>O
>>62718869
Yeah I know, she explains that to Elliot, her therapist. I mean that when I first watched it I couldn't understand why she doesn't just embrace the vengeful fantasy and tell Tony, but now I do
>>62718947
oh right, never noticed that part.
I got why they didn't do it but I still would have loved to see it.
>>62718633
u r faget
>>62712969
>>The show was full of existential dread and had this huge focus on human mortality, what's it all worth and the afterlife.
thru clichés
>>62718961
There's a bit where her husband is talking about feeling powerless during multiple close-ups of his clenched fists. Then it cuts to Tony swinging an axe and cutting wood
Poetry
>>62713490
This.
Though I don't want to analyze it like you, I'll just say I felt something watching that episode.
>mfw I cant find anything as fulfilling as sopranos
>>62719495
I liked Rectify, it really captures that lethargic, cathartic atmosphere that the sopranos often had.
>>62717225
/thread
>>62717225
>Sopranos = Mad Men
>>62717801
boooooy stop
So what did anon think about the finale? Worst finale ever or did you actually understood it?
>>62722110
>Worst finale ever
finale was great, i think tony get shot
![1447521498728[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4DdZGma.jpg "1447521498728[1].jpg")
>no 90's-2000's russian mafia tv drama
>It's a 20 minute long dream sequence episode
>>62722192
>the 'he lived/he died' meme
It wasn't about this. It was about the feeling. Tony had this little moment with the ones he loved. Chase was trying to tell us that these moments are precious and to be revered, because ultimately we all die and it never ends gloriously or romantically. It just ends. So focus on the good times
>>62722265
>there will never be a mafia tv crime saga worth watching ever again
>mfw it's a gabagool episode
as a wirefag i have to say Soprano threads are very cozy.
OP you should watch The Decalogue by Kieslowski
>>62722425
best type of episode
>>62716921
>tfw shield is hardly talked about here
I just want to talk about a good show
just a question, how are you people outside the uk watching the bbc livestream?
external stream? proxies?
>>62724448
it's so good
