So what are your thoughts on this? I thought it was surprisingly bad, considering that it was the same director and writers (except one new guy) that made Skyfall, which was much better. I would give it a 4/10; it was even worse than the man from uncle
Skyfall wasn't that good to begin with.
Skyfall looked fucking amazing and that masked a lot of the flaws. People can enjoy any visually appealing display as long a doesn't offend their intelligence.
God I hate to agree, but this was nigh unwatchable. What was Mendes even needed for? After the first shot, everything is listless and haggard. Constant shot reverse-shot, the easiest and laziest way of shooting.
Christ this was bad.
>>62647318
it was just a plain disappointment, main issues being unnecessarily connecting all the previous movies, shitty bond girl and way too many locations
I felt like the movie lacked an emotional center and went back to the smarmy killing machine bond from the old bonds instead of portraying bond as an actual human bean
mexico scene was great but the rest of the action just felt repetitive and way too over the top
Just copying my post from the other thread.
>shit theme
>jarring tonal changes
>crappy script
>Cool action sequences
>crappy villain, somehow
It's just a by-the-numbers Bond movie. I'd put it on the same level as Skyfall, above Quantum and below Casino.I did like the tempus fugit line.
Call it 6/10.
Does he take his shirt off
I hope that Waltz and Craig come back for the next one, but it needs one writer and a new director, like Von Donnersmarck or someone.
It just doesn't have the intrigue necessary for a spy franchise.
>>62647859
Nolan wants to do one and was going to do Spectre if Mendes didn't want to come back.
I'd be fine with this.
30 minutes too long.
>>62647815
kind of in the opening credits
which started out well but then turned into borderline tentacle porn
>>62647883
yeah because we need bond to have more zimmer and pretentious shit
>>62648109
My problem with Spectre was that it was nothing new.
A Nolan Bond film might not be good, but at least it would be different.
>>62647883
It would be interesting to have Waltz playing Blofeld in a Nolan movie. The Dark Knight wasn't full of crazy stunts but it had interesting monologues.
>>62648179
>A Nolan Bond film might not be good, but at least it would be different.
I don't know, the Mendes films already seem pretty Nolan inspired, especially Skyfall.
>>62648179
This is the eternal problem with Bond, it is a franchise with so many films, so much history that everyone has an opinion what it should be. People bitched about Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall and how they weren't "fun" and how they were too "dark and grim" and blah blah blah.
And they made Spectre, which is classic Bond, it has all the trademark Bond elements from gadgets to henchmen, and now people are bitching about it being too formulaic and similar to what came before.
People just can't decide.
>>62648348
>People just can't decide.
I think it's more that they just can't satisfy everyone.
It's a bit of a cop-out to see that your movie isn't doing well and just say "Well it's not my fault, the people don't even know what they want".
It's the job of the film-makers to know what people want.
>>62648348
I'm personally more on the side that new bond movies should actually be new and different and set themselves apart from the old ones. Spectre was a step back in the old direction.
>>62648348
This is like saying "this clam chowder's got all the right ingredients, there's just some rat feces in it". None of the elements were used or developed properly. I saw all the old Connery and Moore before this just to give it every possible chance... It's just terrible.
I actually dozed off for 20min in the theater it was so boring
Just saw it. I almost fucking walked out of the theatre. I didnt like skyfall much, but this was surprisingly worse. Much fucking worse.
The uneven tone, somehow insanely boring action aside from first 10 minutes and one fight on the train, somehow they made a non substantial boring villain, aimless globethroting, fucked up pacing, le connection of all craig bond films because puppetmaster evil brother... Christ, I might even say that this is probably one of the worst movies I'vw saw this year.
Why did they choose Mexico?
They could have made a less expensive version of Bond in the south of France, or Barcelona, rather than trying to glam him up in Mexico.
>>62648997
The random guy next to me fell asleep and two guys two rows in front of me walked out just after the torture scene while the facility was exploding.
>>62647318
It was good fun but the script was really fucking stupid at times:
>Literally lets girl wander off as he goes for a final showdown with criminal organisation that kills all the girls he liked
>"I built the greatest criminal org in history and took over the whole world...because I'm angry you took daddy from me and decided just fucking torturing and killing you wasnt convolutedenough"
>Why on earth did they send Jinx for another attack attempt on the train even though he wnated Bond to arrive at the base?
>Why didn't the base exploding impede the surveillance plan at all if it was all "information".
>Goes to sniper a guy, blows up a building and then nearly drives a helicopter through a mass of citizens. Is told "you just chill here naughty boy".
Apart from that though, really witty, charming thrilling and I had a great time.
>>62649129
>Why did they choose Mexico?
>literally the best intro to any bond movie
pleb
I liked it. The writers shat themselves while writing Madeleine so it sinks the movie a bit. They try to weave it with the other Craig ones, which is fine but they go over it waaay too fast. Should have spent more time showing the MI6 crew play connect the dots instead of Bond renovating the room. Also wondered if they were not afraid the movie would not stand on its own.
More MI6 crew is a very good thing.
Official Spectre girls ranking:
Q>Lucia>Vesper picture>M picture>the mouse>Madeleine
>>62648348
casino royale might have been a little darker and grittier but i feel it nailed the bond aspect more than the other ones. it just felt like a bond movie
>Casino Royale
only good Craig Bond
>QoS
not a Bond film
>Skyfall
style over substance
>Spectre
uninspired, unoriginal shite
>>62647500
>Skyfall wasn't that good to begin with.
>Skyfall looked fucking amazing and that masked a lot of the flaws
This. Does /tv not realize the plot was that ofhome alone?
Skyfall and Casino Royale were both better, this is still much better than Quantum of Solace. I thought Christoph Waltz was wasted in this role and his motivation was ludicrous. Batista did fine in his role as Oddjob 2.0 but I wish they didn't have Oddjob 2.0
I still enjoyed it, I just wish they had a little less fan service and a little more new stuff. Bond with Daniel Craig has always had this slightly jarring contrast between traditional Bond stuff on the one hand
>girl
>gadgets
>car
>quips
>glamorous locations with rich people
and on the other hand, the grittier things they have tried to put in. Bond murdering a ton of people in Mexico in this one for instance, or the fact that Casino Royale opens with him beating a guy to death in a bathroom
I mean look at that car chase after Bond infiltrates the Spectre meeting, was it meant to be funny and lighthearted or thrilling or what?
Was Batista good in it?
He's the only reason I want to see it desu senpai
>>62649803
>QoS
>not a Bond film
It's the most Bond film of Craig's era
>>62649977
He just hits people
>>62649977
Batista is pretty based.
It's a shame he won't be in future movies, he's a great Bond thug.
Everything else is dogshit though, not worth it.
>>62647883
But wasn't skyfall already ripping off nolan movies?
One thing this movie did exceptionally well was kill the franchise again.
I literally have zero interest in daniel craig as bond now.
>>62647318
Agreed, my man. Probably give it closer to a 6 though.
Did Bond die in the chair?
>>62649977
He said like 1 word of dialoguehe said "shit" when Bond through him out of a moving train after Batista had been tracking him across the world
>>62647318
What surprised me the most was the music. I absolutely loved Skyfall's music and Thomas Newman made music for this one as well, which is practically identical to Skyfall. Every single track has a pair that's only mildly different. But how it was used in film was just weird. Not that I'm an expert on this but the use of music did not feel well done whatsoever.
Do you guys think Bond still remembered who the girl was after he has his memory erased? Was he just pretending to know who she was?
>>62650324
It didn't get erased because power of love.
>>62648348
>craig
>bond
>>62650365"I would never forget a face like that." Sounds like he was just pretending to get into her pants to be honest.
>>62650408He shows no signs of forgetting anything relevant afterwards, so very unlikely that Blofeld succeeded.
>>62650324
that fusiform gyrex shit was retarded anyway
>hurr I use this tiny fucking drill and I give you face blindness
the brain isn't a circuitboard, it isn't that fucking precise
>>62650527Wasn't it only supposed erase Bond's memory of her -- not Bond's memory as a whole? Because Blofeld was basically Elliot Rodgers. After the escape, Bond never alludes to earlier activities with her. During the escape, Bond is constantly looking at her like he's confused.
Question to those who have watched it - what the fuck was up with the drill?
It was supposed to fuck with his eyes, his ears, his facial recognition.
Like... did it just not work?
>>62650585
I was supposed to make him unable to recognize faces at all, not just hers. It's pretty clear the procedure failed.
>>62650585
see
>>62650559there is no way Blofeld could have given Bond face blindness with such a precise incision anyway, but even if he could there would be no way in hell that he could make it face specific
>went to see spectre expectin high quality spy adventures
got a shitty snoozefest with barely any redeeming qualities
>saw kingsman expecting a two dime idiocy
got the most well made fun spy movie in recent memory
They tried to go back to the old style of campy fun, but with the same grimdark theme as craigs previous movies.
I like craig's bond, but he cant do fun.
Overall, it was enjoyable, but a disappointment.
Waltz was fucking GOAT for the whole 5 minutes he was in the film though
>>62650646
Bond is indestructible.
Also, Blofeld said something about "IF the drill hits the right spot". Apparently, it failed to do so both times. Bond fidgeted in the seat when the needle went in for the second time thogh, he might have tried to throw it off course.
>>62650646
thats what I thought. Me and my gf were like, soooo did he turned into a vegetable with no facial recognition because of a fucking drill in his head?... oh wait, the power of plot armor and love
god this movie was terrible
>>62650646
It was drilling into his skull and Blofeld was trying to hit a specific part of his brain and by damaging it make him unable to recognize faces. Not sure what exactly would be the point of that, considering he would have probably just kill him shortly after had they not escape.
>>62650695
agree with you, except Waltz. He was really, really bad..
quantum was so much better than this
>>62650731
The drills were going for his eyes for the third time. He clearly didn't care whether it worked the first two times and just wanted to see James in agony.
It's a Moore Bond in the Craig era.
I loved the Connery/Moore style, I love this.
>>62650646
BecauseJames Bond was raised alongside Blofeld's. Blofeld has always been jealous, and even killed his own father. Since then, Blofeld has set out to make Bond's life a living hell. The drill scene was a form of torture. Blofield was going to make him forget all the women he had slept with. Then make fun of him. And then Blofeld was going to make him outright blind and mute, but he was stopped when the watch exploded. But he should have killed Blofeld, because Blofeld becomes pic related/spoiler]
>>62650681
Rogue Nation was the best Bond film of 2015
>>62651016
yes, it was also good, but kingsman was a real surprise for me.
>>62649623
>iterally lets girl wander off as he goes for a final showdown with criminal organisation that kills all the girls he liked
Yeah, I thought that was dumb too.
>>62649891
>I thought Christoph Waltz was wasted in this role and his motivation was ludicrous
I did think his motivation was ridiculous (like the idea that another anon mentioned that it should have been set up so that everything Bond had done in CR and QoS actually helped Spectre), but I don't think this was so much a waste as it was an appetizer. I'm holding out hope that another full film of Waltz will see a much greater role for him.
"What sound does a peacock make?"
Seriously what did he mean by that?
Fuck it I'm still gonna call him Oberhauser. That's his real name anyway.
Also fuck he survived. I was hoping they would close this chapter already.
>>62651302
Waltz will return. Craig's Bond is a part of the "Rebooted Timeline" which Warner Bros already acknowledged, to give Bond some more character and to create a better story. Waltz eventually becomes the main villain. I'm guessing WB is going to do a reboot of From Russia With Love or Thunderball next.
So
Fucking
Boring
It's trash. No tension, shit plot, clumsy dialogue, wasted actors.
Saving graces: The best opening scene in Bond history. Batista. "Tempus fugit."
>>62649623
>"you just chill here naughty boy"
not gonna lie reading that made me rock hard
>>62651551
What is tempus fugit?
>>62650324
it worked but bond can't tell the difference between his girls so it didn't matter
It was fine, much better than Skyfall (which is still decent) and not too far from Casino Royale. The current climate of movie-goers were expecting action scenes to fall into their lap after the last two films so it comes as a shock that Spectre has actual spying in it.
>>62650036
kek
>>62649803
>>Skyfall
>style over substance
Skyfall is one of the most substantive Bond films of all time. It's Proust compared to the Cold War silliness of the older films.
why did the silly little austrian leprechaun print out pictures of people from the previous movies one by one,going from room to room carefully taping these pictures to the wall making sure each was recognizable from the hallway
i'm not a deakins worshipping redditor but damn spectre was spectre-cularly humdrum looking
>>62647318
Great until the last half hour
Gorgeous cinematography, and fantastic practical effects for all the stunts
>>62652050
>little austrian leprechaun
Literally just an inch shorter than Craig, and the red carpet pictures prove it. They had Bond on lifts
>>62652050
>Le evil mad brother who likes to torture man
This movie... Beyond ridiculous, beyond stupid, beyond boring
dat form-fitting dress though. Lea Seydoux is a 20/10
Just finished rewatching OHMSS, What a beautiful film, that Diana Rigg just being amazing. And the balls they had for that ending wow
>>62652406
body was alright, face was fucked. her nose looks fake as shit
This movie was bad
>>62649623
another thing that was fucking stupid:
>BRING HIM INTO THE BUILDING
>bond kills the fucking henchmen and then walks into the building under his own power
>building was clearly designed for bond to walk through under his own power
like did he just plan for bond to fucking escape and kill the originally 5 henchmen that captured him? oh by the way, where did the other three go? why were there only two henchmen once they arrived?
>>62651722
>>62651551
Time flies. I also liked that line. That and the "it's all a matter of perspective" were probably the only two decent lines in the movie, honestly.
>>62653247
>face was fucked
you're a massive faggot
In the theatre now about to see Spectre. Will I be satisfied?
>>62653713
fuck no, hope you are wearing shades because it will go from very dark scenes to almost pure white in a second.
>>62653713
Maybe you should focus on the movie and stop posting.
>>62653746
Well whatever. I got some fucking good poutine I'm eating now, so I'll be fine.
>>62650943
So is there going to be Dr. no with a black guy now? Because Sean Connery did a fucking amazing job with that one and I doubt any one could top that.
>>62653713
have low expectations like i did and you might enjoy yourself.
>>62653345
I think the idea was to make him think he was being taken to face off withBlofeld and C. Otherwise, why would he have gone in the building?
>>62653713
Well it's a lot worse than Casino Royale and Skyfall, so probably not.
I don't want Bond films to aspire to being independently "excellent" or "proper" cinema, I want a certain Bond style and have come to expect certain Bond tropes. I have to say as much as I enjoyed the other Craig films, I'm glad the tendency towards grittyness or groundedness has halted.
Apart from a few elements I really enjoyed myself watching Spectre and now I'm trying to think what other criteria there are to judge a film by.
I was just thoroughly entertained, what else can I ask for?
>>62654566
>I want the usual mediocrity!
Well aren't you a lucky bastard...
>>62647318
>yfw the new Mission Impossible was better than the new Bond
>>62654639
If you come to have the same expectations of every franchise, if they all need to be personal or thought-provoking or emotionally riveting or whatever it is some of you are after, then some unique franchises will lose their character. That would be sad.
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>>62647318
Pretty shit imo
This movie literally stole the shitty "i'm your brother" plotline from THE BOND SPOOF. If you havent seen it, don't - and there's your reason
I honestly expected someone to say "Do you like your quasi-futuristic clothes, mr bond?"
>>62650265
>>62655896
>motor skills unaffected
>remembered everything
>one shot kills the whole base
>doesn't kill the bad guy for once
>enjoys the rest of his life with a nice car and fresh pussy
Literally the perfect end, too perfect. He's died and gone to heaven.
>>62656032
I am just dealing with the fact that you may be right, and if so, it is probably the shittiest ending to any Bond film yet.
>>62648348
this
I love Spectre because it was an unashamed Bond film CR, QoS, and to some extant Skyfall tried to hard to reinvent the wheel.
what I did not like about Spectre is they're reusing all the same exotic locals as the last three films,Desert Hotel, fortified bunker in the middle of no where, streets of Rome, ultra modern office building, hopefully Bond 25 in 2017 mixes it up a tad.
>>62649977
Batista was awesome, but they ditched what mad him unique for not speaking like a majority of the henchmen in the film rather quickly
>>62650068
but when he kicks the dinner table at the start of the train scene in Dr. Snow's face tho.
>>62656032
>motor skills unaffected
only works if you hit the right spot
>one shot kills the whole base
controlled demolition to destroy traces of secret organization and help the escape
>doesn't kill the bad guy for once
If only they ran out of ammo more often. it helps the gritty realism.
>enjoys the rest of his life with a nice car and fresh pussy
no way she's a fresh pussy. even her daddy probably had a go.
>>62656478
>only works if you hit the right spot
literally a computer controlled, precision drill
>controlled demolition to destroy traces of secret organization and help the escape
where was the new base then? literally any commentary on here would have been nice. even "that was one of many heads of our orgs, you have done nothing."
>If only they ran out of ammo more often. it helps the gritty realism.
not sure what youre saying here. bond was out of bullets? don't remember. would have been cool to pull hte trigger and the gun just clicks i guess.
>>enjoys the rest of his life with a nice car and fresh pussy
autism speaks
>>62653653
This
>>62656602
this
>>62656478
tard
Just got out from the movie. It had some pacing issues, and the end was underwhelming, but I still enjoyed it. What is the biggest gripe everyone has with it?
>>62652406
Nice transvestite.
>people actually think skyfall is better than QoS
>>62658528
That Silva had any motive other than revenge, and Bond shooting down a helicopter with a pistol.
>>62654218
>a lot worst
no nigga
