> It's impossible at this point [for TFA to beat Avatar], for a number of reasons.
> TFA is dropping much faster overseas than it is domestically. The film made $281m total over its opening weekend Wednesday to Sunday overseas, a figure which includes $72.7m in its first two days of release (Wed/Thurs). Thus the film made $208.3m overseas during its first proper Fri-Sun weekend. Domestically, the film made $248m over its opening weekend Thurs evening to Sun, including $57m alone during the Thursday evening showings. Hence the film made $191m domestically in its first proper Fri-Sun weekend. Now, in its 2nd weekend, the film (is estimated to have) made $153.47 domestically, and $123.6m overseas. Calculating the drops, this is a 38.1% drop domestically from its entire Thurs-Sun opening weekend, and a 19.6% drop domestically from the proper opening weekend Fri-Sun. On the other hand, this is a 56.0% drop overseas from the entire Wed-Sun overseas opening weekend stretch, and a 40.7% drop overseas from the proper opening weekend Fri-Sun. So you can see the percentage drops for overseas are much bigger. A lot of people have been saying that the film will have "longer legs" overseas, but quite clearly this is not going to be the case at all.
> TFA has actually been outpaced by Avatar ALREADY overseas in its second weekend. Avatar made $152m overseas over its second weekend, outstripping the $123.6m made by TFA by a large margin. This is the biggest sign that TFA has absolutely no chance to outgross Avatar. A lot of people were predicting[1] that it would take at least until the 4th or 5th weekend for Avatar to begin outpacing TFA overseas, but to do it as early as its 2nd weekend (which I predicted could be the case[2] ) is a clear sign that the film is going to come nowhere close to Avatar's overseas gross. Note that Avatar was released under the EXACT same conditions in 2009 as TFA was, with the 2nd Friday of both of their releases being Christmas day, so nobody can argue about Christmas day closings affecting TFA's overseas 2nd weekend gross because it affected both films equally.
> Because the film is looking to have less legs overseas than domestically, the ratio 49.5%/50.5% of TFA's domestic/overseas gross as of the end of Sunday is likely to stay the same or get even worse as the weeks progress, barring the release of the film in China. I feel like I'm[3] --retreading[4] --myself[5] when I post this, but I'll make the same analysis here as I did days ago. Suppose now that the loftiest predictions come true and TFA makes $1b domestically. With an approximate 50/50 domestic/overseas ratio without China, this leaves the film with $1b overseas, so $2b worldwide total minus China. Thus, to equal avatar, the film would need to make $780m+ in China alone. This is clearly an impossible feat. (For the record, I do not necessarily believe that the film even has the legs overseas to make $1b without China (or domestically, for that matter), and I can see the domestic/overseas ratio actually shifting in favour of domestic before the release of China. This is just a "what if" scenario.)
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>>64166404
JUST
>>64166404
>losing to some cartoon
they even removed finn from promotional posters and shit, how did they not make any dosh
What was it about Avatar that made it do so well?
>>64166771
the experience and immersion
good word of mouth
>>64166280
Ticket prices are also more expensive now than in 2009, but that leg up didnt seem to be enough
>>64166771
it was in theaters for like a whole year, and had a re-release. he basically cheated.
Avatar: biggest criticism is its plot themes are borrowed. Based JC makes the physics and science realistic within the confines of his story. Creative as hell. Became #1 worldwide primarily on word-of-mouth.
TFA: So bad that Disney marketing got a "no spoilers" strategy going so everyone would see it ASAP. Plot holes and contrivances out the wazoo. Literally Marvel-tier. Nothing new except a Chrome stormtrooper. Dropping like a rock internationally where it needs word-of-mouth.
>>64166843
>re-release
by public demand
his movie was soo good people wanted to see it even more
>>64166280
TLDR; Its easily going to top avatar
>>64166843
How much money did the re-release make? I understand it wasn't really a factor.
>>64166771
>blue people
It was 2010, that was a bid deal bact then
> Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977. That was another movie I walked into with uncertain expectations. James Cameron's film has been the subject of relentlessly dubious advance buzz, just as his "Titanic" was. Once again, he has silenced the doubters by simply delivering an extraordinary film. There is still at least one man in Hollywood who knows how to spend $250 million, or was it $300 million, wisely.
> "Avatar" is not simply a sensational entertainment, although it is that. It's a technical breakthrough. It has a flat-out Green and anti-war message. It is predestined to launch a cult. It contains such visual detailing that it would reward repeating viewings. It invents a new language, Na'vi, as "Lord of the Rings" did, although mercifully I doubt this one can be spoken by humans, even teenage humans. It creates new movie stars. It is an Event, one of those films you feel you must see to keep up with the conversation.
> At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades. Small graceful details like a floating creature that looks like a cross between a blowing dandelion seed and a drifting jellyfish, and embodies goodness. Or astonishing floating cloud-islands.
> I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.
>>64166890
>it tops Avatar domestically
>Americans and Disney shills pretend that's the same thing
calling it now, the depressing thing is that the media will happily aid and abet this kind of thing
>>64166404
Ouch that's pretty bad
>>64166404
Business as usual in Japan, it seems..
> Cameron promised he'd unveil the next generation of 3-D in "Avatar." I'm a notorious skeptic about this process, a needless distraction from the perfect realism of movies in 2-D. Cameron's iteration is the best I've seen -- and more importantly, one of the most carefully-employed. The film never uses 3-D simply because it has it, and doesn't promiscuously violate the fourth wall. He also seems quite aware of 3-D's weakness for dimming the picture, and even with a film set largely in interiors and a rain forest, there's sufficient light. I saw the film in 3-D on a good screen at the AMC River East and was impressed. I might be awesome in True IMAX. Good luck in getting a ticket before February.
> It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected.
> Four Stars / Four
>fastest film to make $1,000,000,000
>"IT'S A FLOP LOL"
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/937e730fac6f463f96ff46e4f1079c26/force-awakens-becomes-fastest-movie-1-billion
>>64166280
Avatar is shit hippie trash though.
Neither movie deserves all this money.
>>64166730
Asians don't give a shit about Star Wars.
>>64167113
This. they are both shit
>>64167127
t. stupid american
Your days are coming to end Jimfags
Enjoy it while you can
>>64167127
This, they have a variety of scifi franchises to enjoy.
>>64166404
>Chinks are xenophobic and have shit taste
Wow who would've thought
>>64167097
Jurassic world did the same thing when it came out and it didn't beat avatar like everyone here said it would.
>>64167143
t. capeshit watcher
![Titanic.mkv_snapshot_00.58.13_[2015.12.28_00.21.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mayV5wy.jpg "Titanic.mkv_snapshot_00.58.13_[2015.12.28_00.21.02].jpg")
>>64166297
:3
>>64167201
capeshit is shit too
>>64167158
t. redditor
>>64167151
You know you can look this shit up.
Star Wars does best in Japan out of all the Asian countries and it's doing pretty mediocre there right now. Hell, Attack of the Clones and Phantom Menace did better in Japan than TFA did
>>64166280
WHO FUCKING CARES???? none of you faggots will get a penny of it. Why do you care so much?
>>64167240
t. capeshit watcher
>>64167264
t. stupid american
>>64167313
t. Shitposting Australian
>>64167335
t. stupid american
>>64166771
original ideas, new IP , a master filmaker who knows his craft, a couple of top tier hollywood actors + some rising stars, the best tech until that point.
>>64167274
Maybe you should go back to reddit if you think /tv/ is just a place to pimp your shitty space opera remake.
>>64167277
>>64167313
>>64167335
>>64167360
"t." wordfiltered when
>>64167400
>t. butthurt faggot
>>64166280
I have no idea why the fuck anyone went to see Avatar. I don't even remember it being such a big deal, apart from the fact that it was in 3D.
>>64167465
TFA is only being shown in 3D because of Avatar
I guess Disney disagree with you lmao
>>64167400
t. stupid american
is this gay analysis by that same scott mendelson faggot? I love how this movie's already passed 1 bil
>>64167158
>>64166280
>>64166297
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>>64166771
>>64166847
WHY DOESN'T DISNEY GIVE CONTROL OF STARWARS OVER TO JC FFS!!!!
A james cameron directed/written starwars trilogy would literally cure aids.
China will make Star Wars a shitload.
>>64167727
nope >>64166404
>>64167727
It probably won't, actually.
>>64166280
What a faggot, you have nothing better to do with your life. Fuck I bet your a god damn neckbeard. Go kill yourself
>>64167380
>original ideas
>Pocahontas with tall smurfs
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>>64167929
why do you autists care about any of this?
>>64167380
Holywood needs less politically-correct leftist hippie shit, not more.
>>64167958
I'd hit it.
Avatar made 2.7 billion $ because of the re-release. It stayed in cinemas for a year.
Looking at how incredibly positive TFA reception is it might very well stay in cinemas until next SW movie is out.
>>64168022
Hollywood needs more well-executed films that justify being excessively hyped.
>>64166771
The first big iMax 3D movie experience.
>>64167199
>it didn't beat avatar
I fail to see how that's relevant. The film is doing well. It's the first in the new trilogy and people will go back to watch the two sequels. There will then be all the merch money and possibly spin-off shows or cartoons which will garner more cash. Sure, the franchise will be milked to hell and back, but they can pull three films before suffering from franchise fatigue but even then make more cash on DVD sales and toy sales.
Disney will very easily get their $4B back.
>>64168145
>I posted it again
Avatar stayed in theaters because it kept bringing in revenue. Why would they pull it if people still wanted to see it? That would be retarded.
And no, TFA won't have the same staying power.
>>64166771
Blue fever, never got the hots for a character as I did for Na'ViJakespecies.
Best thing I got from that movie was a glorious butt shot.
>>64168288
They managed to get that Tarantino film taken off that one cinema, it must account for something.
>>64168352
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>>64166730
They removed the black guy? Top kek japan. Never change <3
>>64168550It's a pic of Jake's ass, looks almost nsfw don't know if I should post.
I felt cucked by that bitch during the entire movie tho. She was the worst character for me.
>>64168621
No it's still there. But a lot smaller and a bit hidden.
If you find the chinese poster look to the center-right
>>64166730
it's not some cartoon, it's literally the biggest most profitable anime japan has ever made, it's already bigger than pokemon
it's the "star wars" of kids anime :^)
>>64168709
looks so fucking shitty
>>64169463
It's a shitty webm from just a few weeks after the movie was released of course it looks shitty.
>>64169169
>it's already bigger than pokemon
That is a big fat lie. Stop lying on the internet you fucking noob.
>>64169617
I'm sorry but just because they don't talk about it on your dumb fucking weeb manchild /a/ board doesn't mean it isn't true. dumb animefag
Good analysis, OP. Nice to know Jimposting will come back.
I know you guys are trolling but SW7 is headed to a one billion domestic finish.
>>64169931
>still $3B to recoup not counting production costs.
>>64170174
waaaaaait did they really spent 3B on that garbage?
>>64167097
The haters on tv just can't stomach the fact that TFA was derivative as fuck, but deliberately and unapologetically so. Because without derivative shit lifted right out of the default hero's story of myth, it's just not fucking star wars. Nothing in the original films was original. Big bad guy, lone youth goes on a journey with a rag tag band and wins in the end. That's essential for star wars to feel like Star wars. Without it you have prequel tier shit.
>>64170330
Disney bought Lucasfilm for 4 billion.
>>64170330
Disney bough the franchise for $4B, they made $1B back already.
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>>64170377
But what was the actual cost of the movie production?
>>64170377
No. They've spent a fuck ton.
I don't understand what's with all these butthurt /v/edditors desperately trying to rag on TFA and compare it to Avatar.
>THIS HUGELY POPULAR SUCCESSFUL MOVIE THAT JUMPSTARTED A FRANCHISE AGAIN ISN'T [just a tiny bit more popular to beat another hugely successful movie]
so... what?
what does this win you exactly?
>SO WHAT IF IT MADE A BILLION DOLLARS FASTER THAN ANY OTHER MOVIE IN HISTORY, CHINESE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO SEE IT QUITE AS MUCH AS AMERICANS
what is wrong with your brains that you think literally anyone cares
>>64166404
Yokai Watch is stupid popular in Japan tho.
You have no idea.
>>64170480
>>>/v/
Avatar is /tv/ as fuck. Go play battlefront
>>64170994
That all you got, faggot? Can't refute the actual points? Mmm nice, blowing yourself right the fuck out. Like stepping on a landmine.
>>64166280
Avatar's tickets were 3 times normal price
>>64170480
>Why are people talking about movies on a board dedicated to talking about movies?
>>64171035
1-800-SUICIDE
Call now, don't wait until it's too late
>>64171110
>talking about movies
>shitting your diaper for hundreds of posts trying to convince people a movie isn't good because "chinese people bought slightly fewer than the desired amount of tickets"
wow u almost fooled me anon :^)
>>64171245
>so incredibly assblasted he can't even begin to come up with a response
>"UH-UH-UH oh god oh god everyone's looking at me got to try my desperation move.. u-uhhh k-kill yourself?"
I love seeing small children just panic and fall apart whenever they're confronted with a real argument.
It was always impossible.
>>64170457
doesn't matter. the movies don't even matter. they'll make all their money back on toys.
>>64167380
Only the last thing and second thing you said are actually the case
>>64168145
>Avatar made 2.7 billion $ because of the re-release.
When will this meme end? The rerelease of avatar barely even made $50m worldwide, you fucking idiot.
>>64171447
>hey Jim, take a look at this graph
>heh...
Who cares: the thread
>>64171592
>narrative amongst redditors and star wars manchildren for months was that TFA was going to BTFO of Avatar and make over $3b at the box office
>now that's it's obvious it's not happening, star wars fanboys are trying to pretend it didn't matter in the first place
KEK
>>64171540
Who cares?
>>64171510
Who cares?
>>64171680
Who cares?
>>64170330
you're joking right? disney got an amazing deal and they'll be raking in cash for fucking decades.
>>64171754
stop, his brain isn't capable of comprehending long term economics, you're just going to hurt him
>>64171754
I thought those guys were talking about the production values. Sure they'll milk that cow dry, it's fucking disney.
>>64170174
>Not factoring in toy sales
Retard. By the time TFA finishes it's run, they'll be doing pretty well as far as recouping costs
>>64167127
This is bullshit. I was there in the spring, and even that early on there was Star Wars shit everywhere, Bandai's new toy lines had just been released and the hobby shops couldn't keep stock on the shelves. I don't think the trailer had even dropped at that point, and there was hype everywhere.
Japan is full of westaboos.
>>64171849
>it's the revenue = profit meme from people who have absolutely no idea of even the 2nd grade basics of how a business works
>>64171972
Fucking idiot.
>>64166926
>I understand it wasn't really a factor.
I understand you're making shit up
>>64172000
DISNEY MADE $4B FROM TOY SALES ALONE LAST YEAR GEORGE LUCAS IS AN IDIOT THEY'VE ALREADY RECUPERATED THE MONEY THEY'RE PAID FOR THE FRANCHISE
>>64170356
>haters
4chan is an 18+ board
>>64172025
The re-release happened after it was already #1.
> forcefags are all b-b-but my toddler toys
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>>64172078
Then you shouldn't be browsing it.
>>64172094
No, I didn't watch either because they both looked like eye candy with no meaning, but thanks for playing.
>>64166926
>>64172025
>By the end of its first theatrical release Avatar had grossed $749,766,139 in the U.S. and Canada, and $1,999,298,189 in other territories, for a worldwide total of $2,749,064,328.
>Including the revenue from a re-release of Avatar featuring extended footage, Avatar grossed $760,507,625 in the U.S. and Canada, and $2,027,457,462 in other territories for a worldwide total of $2,787,965,087.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%282009_film%29
$2,787,965,087 - $2,749,064,328 = $38.9m
38.9/2788 = not even 1.4% of the total gross.
>>64172158
Avatar was actually really good, even beyond eye candy
>>64172060
>THEY'VE ALREADY RECUPERATED
shouldn't you be on black twitter
>>64172165
OK, see, those are facts. Now as to who outside t/v/ gives a shit and doesn't work in the industry, I'm thinking it's nobody.
> haha marveldrones
> haha sonyggers
> haha winblows
You're supposed to stop doing that when you grow hair between your legs, you know this right
Do any of you seriously believe it'll make more than Avatar? It's already old news to everybody without autism and it doesn't have the gimmick of MOST AMAZING TECHNOLOGY SPECIALLY MADE FOR THIS FILM going for it.
>>64172158
TFA has no eye candy. It's shit across the board.
>>64172225
> Dances with wolves plus an obscure Poul Anderson short story = really good
> it wasn't hamfisted at all
Whatever kiddo
>>64171503
Resorts are Disneys bread and butter anon.
>>64172298
that's a (you) problem lady
>>64172298
> he watches movies for clever plots
Hi M. Night.
Avatar >>>>>>>>>>>>> TFA
>>64167639
James would probably not want to do it.
>that feel when I watched Avatar then played the shit out of Dawn of War II, slaughtering ayylmaos by the thousand
I don't even like 40k. I just have zero tolerance for whiny self-hating "we're the real monsters" leftist crap.
>>64166280
Hi there, Reddit friend :-)
>>64176900
TFA is Reddit as fuck.
