http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/19/10626896/star-wars-the-force-awakens-rey-mary-sue-feminist
/tv/ BTFO
>>63845872
>http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/19/10626896/star-wars-the-force-awakens-rey-mary-sue-feminist
>"Bechdel-busting intergalactic hero we were promised
Wait, when does she pass the Bechdel test?
lol at this fucking article though. It's literally 'she is a bad character, but you should ignore that because she's a woman'. Most of my favourite fictional characters are women. Most of my favourite authors are women. They wrote good characters, which I liked. I'm not going to ignore a badly developed character because of gender.
>>63845872
EVEN FEMINISTS AGREE THAT SHE'S A MARY SUE
Why can't feminists just die already?
>worry whether Han Solo was too suave and funny and cool
No because his overconfidence was shown to cause problems, and he blundered.
>or whether Luke's access to the "powerful ally" of an all-connecting, all-seeing, all-powerful Force that "binds the galaxy together" made him way too overpowered
No because Luke fails repeatedly at the start of the movie and takes two films to start to deliver on his promise.
REY DOES NOTHING WRONG IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE. SHE IS NEVER TESTED, SHE SUCCEEDS AT EVERYTHING WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. IT'S NOT ABOUT HER BEING A WOMAN EVEN A LITTLE BIT.
bump
/tv/ because seeing /tv/ getting BTFO is always funny.
The only thing people are complaining about is how she apparently has Jedi Knight skills despite never freaking using the force before.
>>63845980
>Wait, when does she pass the Bechdel test?
She speaks with both Maz Kanata and Leia (admittedly, her exchange with Leia is very brief).
It's amazing how /tv/ frets so much about the Bechdel Test, but passing it is so simple you can't even recognize that it's happened.
>>63846218
Oh right, I totally forgot Maz was a lady.
>So before bitching that Rey's too good to be true, ask yourself this: once in a while, isn't it nice to have something that is too good to be true?
Not when it brings me out of the movie while I'm watching it, what the fuck
Fuck off shill, this article was literally made for funneling traffic.
https://web.archive.org/web/20151220002111/http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/19/10626896/star-wars-the-force-awakens-rey-mary-sue-feminist
>>63845872
Not going to lie her character wasn't very well developed enough to justify the mary sue asspulls that happened. This is literally Jew Jew Abrams being a Jew and bowing down to SJWs. He's killed SW.
>>63845872
There are literally people who actually consider passing the Bechdel Test to be an indicator of a good female character.
>>63846127
Did you even fucking read it? The author fully admits that Rey is a Mary Sue
I like how it kept trying to convince it was ok to be a Mary sue just this one time
>>63845872
DID THEY SERIOUSLY TAKE A FUCKING /TV/ POST HOLY SHIT IM DYING RIGHT NOW
Women are not heroic look at any war or just history women do literally nothing.
>>63846040
>And they think that's a good thing
>They also think all Star Wars characters are wish fulfilment characters to her level
>>63846681
no, Max Landis did
based max
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpS6TlqgLIQ
>>63846040
LOL. That makes you a feminist. Self-BTFO!
>>63846691
educated in america by any chance?
>>63845872
>But while Leia was quickly reduced to a secondary character after A New Hope
What? I... what?
She wasn't the main character -- IE, not Luke -- but she was still main cast, and arguably the most important of the main cast.
This is some revisionism, desu
>Rey can exist alongside Ethan Hunt and Captain America
BUT THEIR RIDICULOUS SKILLS HAVE AN EXPLANATION
THEY TRAINED FOR THEM
>>63845872
Honestly I hate Gawker, but that article wasn't really biased, a rather good read taking all things into consideration.
>>63846821
We should be funneling billions to the Kurds right now. They're the only ones who can do shit right in that region.
Fuck the Saudis.
>>63846636
DAMN SHE SHOWED US
>>63846757
Max Landis is a faggot but he's a based faggot tbqh
>Max Landis actually browses /tv/
that would explain all the threads about him lately
>>63846972
The stumbling block is Turkey, because Turks hate the fuck out of Kurds and Turkey is a NATO member.
>yfw you realized Saladin was a Kurd
>>63846636
this makes me enraged
does SHE not know what a mary sue i-
>twitter name
oh she's a millenial star wars fan who saw the OT last week
>>63847053
>Max Landis actually browses /tv/
James Gunn confirmed it a few weeks ago.
>>63847042
Is he really gay though? Cause I would totally hit that.
>>63846218
>Maz Kanata
Wasn't that about Luke technically?
>Leia
Same if you mean the scene at the ending with the hug.
>>63846636
She posted it because she thought that pic is a meme, not because of meaning behind it. Kind of ironic.
>Admits that she's a mary Sue
>But let's forget about that!
wew gal
I don't particularly hate Rey but you can't deny that she's a Mary Sue and that's objectively bad writing
>>63847096
Yeah id fuck Max Landis too he's pretty hot
I dont think he's gay though, just californian
>>63847096
I think he just has autism or something
>And there's something deeply suspicious about the early stirrings, on Reddit and 4Chan and especially all over Twitter, about how Rey is just too damn effective and nifty to be acceptable.
I'm glad to hear it's not just on 4chan that we're all saying this.
So many people saying the same thing shouldn't be "deeply suspicious" though, meybe it's because they're right
>>63846111
>>63846868
I'm not sure this is entirely feminism, and just not how women process action movies or heroic figures. It might not be something they're really into anyway but they feel excluded so when they do get a representative character they're satisfied with simply having someone that accomplishes things without an explanation of how. And are genuinely confused when you point out that she didn't deserve the win because they've never acknowledged the other characters in heroic roles training or backstory when it happens. I mean have you ever heard a women complain about any one needing more backstory or explanation for their abilities in a movie?
>>63846636
>The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing.
Except for being beautiful it fits Rey to a T.
>>63847323
Translation: normalfags strongly believe that 4chan is deeply sexist and racist and so any criticism by 4chan is accepted only cautiously and hesitantly by the mainstream after a long long period of time (if ever).
>>63847425
I think she'd look beautiful with Finn's big black cock inside her.
>>63847425
Only flaw I recall was her being afraid of the lightsaber and overcoming it in the final battle.
>>63847401
I've noticed for some time now that women and especially SJWs care more about whether a show/movie fulfils a certain checklist rather than the quality of the production
If Rey was a disabled mixed-race genderfluid polyqueer trans gay lesbian mess with PTSD and overweight, and she was still as Mary Sue as she is, they'd call it a masterpiece
>>63847454
>normalfags strongly believe that 4chan is deeply sexist and racist
You're saying it like they're wrong. I fucking hope they're not.
>>63846929
5 portions for subtlety
>Note: This essay contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
>essay
Now they are calling their blog posts as essays.
>>63847720
Not everyone on 4chan is racist, you fucking nigger.
>>63847454
/tv/ can be pretty racist ans sexist though
>>63848123
/tv/ isn't wrong though, TFA is a shit movie
>>63846842
Leia does undergo an odd drop in level of involvement once they reach Yavin. She spends the battle doing little more than looking concerned.
Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin
Luke: "No Rey, YOU are my father."
screencap this
>>63847323
>glad to be in good company with reddit
Rey haters show their true allegiances
>>63846623
/thread
>>63847096
he was tweeted about having a girlfriend before
I was genuinely surprised since he seems REALLY homosexual
>>63846623
they are obviously saving her development for the next movie when they reveal her connection to Luke
>>63846561
>http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/19/10626896/star-wars-the-force-awakens-rey-mary-sue-feminist
This http://pastebin.com/tfN3tgn4
Here's the pastebin, do not give views to this shitty website.
>>63845872
http://pastebin.com/tfN3tgn4
hmm, I regret looking on twitter to see what people are saying about this
>>63848633
You should regret looking at Twitter in general.
At least no one gives a shit about Boyega anymore.
>>63846636
>>63845872
YOU HAVE FAILED ME, FOR THE LAST TIME, ROBINSON!
>>63848633
She just literally defends the point of being a Mary Sue is okay, even when presented with the counter-argument that there's plenty of great, iconic women leads with flaws.
Why the fuck is this allowed?
A lot of people are bringing up Anakin as a defense, as though no body ever complained about Anakin before
This shit is retarded
I didn't get the Mary Sue impression from her, though I did eat a pot brownie before watching the movie.
Ray came off as a mentally stunted girl who still has innocence in her. She acts and talks like she's 10.
It did piss me off how she was able to use the force so easily despite having little knowledge of it.
>>63848633
How is Kylo Ren a mary sue?
>>63849123
Anikin's fixing is poetry because he couldn't fix his mom
>>63845872
>The Verge
>>63848902
>tfw I'd even that game has better written characters than TFA
It's funny that the author compares her to Luke.
Episode IV:
>spends the first ten minutes whining to his aunt and uncle
>nearly gets himself killed by Sand People, saved by Obi-Wan
>nearly gets himself killed at the bar, saved by Obi-Wan
>nearly gets himself killed on the Death Star, saved by Leia and then by Obi-Wan
>is about to be killed by Vader, saved by Han
He only gets his shit together in Episode VI, once he's had serious training and experience. Literally the only thing Luke is good at right from the beginning is flying. If Rey was even half as incompetent as Luke the author would have been up in arms about "damsel in distress" cliches and the patriarchy.
>>63848633
>the same role that superman once filled: wish fulfillment for a marginalized audience
Tall, good-looking white men were a marginalized audience? When?
>>63848382
>Leia does undergo an odd drop in level of involvement once they reach Yavin. She spends the battle doing little more than looking concerned.
There's very little she could have done tbf. Anyone who wasn't a pilot was basically useless during the battle.
The only thing I found outrageous about Rey was her ability to pilot the falcon so well initially. As far as we know her only experience flying was with small symmetrical ships. With the falcon's pilot seat being rightmost she'd have to consider the mass of ship to her left. Thus making such tight maneuvers would be beyond her level.
But I guess it was the force.
>>63849297
Just like luke used the force in a new hope?
This whole talk is retarded
>>63849863
That's because quite a few of them were nuanced and likable. They had faults.
>A girl is lead
>omg feminism xD
Why do we listen to americans, again?
>>63849444
jesus christ
>>63850072
I'm a Yuropoor and I think that's bullshit. Not like I was ever going to watch the movie anyway.
>>63850034
He used the Force to do something that he was already very good at (shooting at a target). And he wouldn't have done that if Obi-Wan hadn't told him to do so.
>>63848902
>That final duel with Baras
Now I need to go back and crush that piece of shit.
>>63850096
It's a weird headline, it basically announces the typical SJW's priorities
If she doesn't care that he landed a spacecraft on a comet, that means she only learned about his shirt from other SJWs and decided to join the rallying cry
>>63846757
>"Luke isn't a Mary Sue. Luke sucks."
Lol, he's completely right. Luke gets saved by other characters in every fucking movie.
>>63850132
>I'm a Yuropoor
You're so retarded you use "le funny american nicknames" though.
And really, having a female lead is "bullshit"? What does that even have to do with whatever I said?
>>63848633
In what planet (or galaxy) is Kylo Ren a Mary Sue?
Are people this fucking retarded or are they just desperate to defend Rey?
>>63850148
She just took the fucking lightsaber. It amazes me how much you nerds rage over her.
>>63849885
This. Anyone saying Luke was a Mary Sue has a gross misunderstanding of what the term means. Luke was flawed as fuck.
Immature, naive, whiny, impatient, put himself in danger. He was only talented at piloting.
With character development and training, he gained skills and heroic traits. Rey being able to do Jedi mind tricks and telekinesis moments after thinking Jedis/the force was a myth her entire life is terrible writing. Not solely because it's indicative of a bland Mary Sue character, but also because it contradicts established lore/canon. Anakin, the fucking chosen one that, prior to his downfall, had the potential to be the most powerful being in the universe, required years of training.
>>63847323
I talk about it on 4chan because if I talked about MaRey Sue and the mediocrity of episode 7 on Facebook or Twitter id be getting fucking death threats and be called an MRA. It's frustrating because it's the movies most major flaw but you have to tip toe around it in fear of being e-shamed out the asshole.
>>63849885
People also forget that even in Episode VI, Luke gets his ass owned by Sheev.
Darth Vader, and NOT Luke, ends up killing the emperor
Luke is not a Mary Sue.
>>63850331
or stop being a pussy and hold to your convictions?
Calling a character a mary sue and defending what you're saying so they have a chance to fix said character is a better approach than hiding your opinion.
I'm not saying to go in angry, but defend your opinion with a well thought out argument and it will sway people regardless if they like it or not.
>>63849123
The prequels were awful and shouldn't be referenced as a defense of the movie.
But he couldn't protect his mom. Anakin's whole fucking thing was trying to protect his loved ones. It doesn't even work.
>>63847323
>watch movie
>character who happens to be female is overpowered as fuck
>"this character is overpowered as fuck, man."
>MUHSOJINNY!!!!!
>>63850034
Not even trying here, are we?
>>63850445
xD
epic
>>63850311
>moments after thinking Jedis/the force was a myth her entire life is terrible writing
did you actually see the movie or just other shitposts about it?
The whole mary sue thing is accurate, but you sound like you're trying too hard to hate this movie.
>>63850303
It's more than that, though. There was the mind trick, being a brilliant pilot, knowing how to fix the Millennium Falcon without having ever seen it, being a great fighter....it was just kind of weird to have a character be good at literally everything. I'm not raging over it, I'm happy that we have a decent Star Wars movie again, I just felt like the main character wasn't all that interesting because nothing was a challenge for her.
>>63850523
It is kinda true. Well, except for the fact that Wonder Woman is not a Mary Sue.
>>63850445
come on, it alluded so much to the first Star Wars
Even if at the very end Rey turned out to be a bit too gifted with the force, is that really a bad thing?
All she shows is potential, like Kylo Ren.
The only reason she won that fight other than her already knowing how to fight on a street level, was because he was wounded.
It's the reason why Finn is still alive
>>63847654
Well, in terms of character flaws, she seemed to deny certain realities. She was left Jakku by her family 15 years beforehand, and always assumed they would come back for her. She knew deep down they weren't, as Maz said to her, but she was stubborn enough to make herself believe it after all these years.
>>63850530
Did you see the movie?
She literally says she thought the Jedi was a myth when she and Finn meet Han and Chewbacca for the first time.
>>63850536
I think I see your point, even Anakin is pointed out to have failed to win at Podracing before the main group shows up, he is good at tinkering and it shows why he is force sensitive but between being a slave, unable to free his mom, and basically all the other bad shit in his life, his agency is limited.
and his piloting skills in fighter pilot thing though were pretty dumb. I wish he had been older in start of phantom menace.
>>63850454
I'm expressing it anonymously. But yeah you're right. Just can't believe that is how I feel I need to discuss this in 2015.
>>63846218
The Bechdel test is from a fucking comic strip from the 80s! This is the state of modern feminism: trying to conform all "approved" media to an arbitrary framework set up by a fucking cartoon about dykes.
>>63850536
She has an "unknown" past. She didn't even know how strong she was when she was stuck in Jakku.
She had a lot of luck in the fight too, with Kylo being hurt and everything.
>>63850626
Well lets not go all current year and everything but women have bias and agenda just like men do. Men like pussy so of course they'll have beta orbiters ready to back them up, if your argument is sound, it'll push through that if they like it or not, just stick to your guns and keep pointing out examples to build a dichotomy between characters to contextualize your argument in such a way that even they can see it.
>So here's a radical suggestion: instead of being concerned about whether her Mary Sue flawlessness is a problem, why not, just this once, enjoy it for what it is?
>Film is bad here's why.
>Why don't you just enjoy it for what it is?
>>63848382
It's says after a new hope. not during. It's saying Leia isn't a main character in ESB or ROtJ, which is clearly bull.
>>63850494
It's actually
>This character is overpowered just because she's a girl fuck feminism am i right
>>63850753
>>Why don't you just enjoy it for what it is?
I can get behind this. It's like Pacific Rim: Awful movie with bland characters and a paper-thin plot, but I enjoyed the hell out of it.
>>63846652
It's so stupid. So many masterpieces with amazing female characters "fail" this test. Yet feminists never want to debate the merits or lack thereof of the test itself. They just accept it as gospel.
Technically she failed to close the blast doors in Han's repo van and released the squid monsters that saved the day.
>>63850615
Samefag here
>you sound like you're trying too hard to hate this movie.
I liked it. It was genuinely entertaining. I think JJ and crew could've done a lot of stuff differently, but for what it was, it was enjoyable. How does pointing out legitimate flaws make one a hater?
Shots fired back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFulD-Nd9y0
>>63846111
And yet if it was a white male you wouldn't say shit.
>Rey
>Mary-Sue
Okay then, any character that had to learn how to survive in the world by him/herself is a mary-sue, happy?!?
For fuck sake, DO YOU WATCH A MOVIE OR YOU JUST ONLY CARE FOR THE STORY BY ACTION SCENES AND DIALOGS?!?!
>>63850820
Yeah, but it's presuposing that everyone liked it and are just looking for things to complain about.
I didn't enjoy TFA. There were parts of it I enjoyed, but they were outnumbered by the stuff I didn't enjoy. I want to be able to bitch about that without being told "woah, why don't you just ignore that and admit you liked it".
>>63846471
It brings you out of it. Because you're a mal who happens to have an axe to grind.
Luke: You don't know what happened to my Father.
Rey: Leia told me. She told me you saved him.
Luke: No. YOU are my father.
Mark it. Remember it.
>>63850927
You're talking out of your ass. The prequels with the most powerful white male ever were dissected to pieces.
>>63850953
It's not that, though. She was good at practically everything. Plenty of survivor characters are interesting without being Mary Sues.
>>63850988
And yet whether he was too powerful or not was not brought into question as much as rey.
You nerds are hilarious
>>63850953
Living in a shithole isn't a flaw
>>63851021
What are you talking about? I thought a 9-year old being able to fly a spaceship and save the day was one of the most hated parts of a Phantom Menace, because it was obviously just bait to get kids to like it (and it totally worked, btw, I fucking loved it).
>>63847904
>>63847720
Or a sexist for that matter, you dumb cunt.
>>63851021
Yes it was, infact that was a huge bitch about the shit he did with the fighter at such a young age = tied to his power.
But also layered in there was the whole chosen one angle.
We knew who he was going to grow up to be. In a way it is an apples and oranges comparison, it would be better to use Luke and as others have pointed out, he had faults from the start and mostly failed his way forward with other people saving him along the way.
Obi-wan, Han, dead-obi-wan, etc.
He failed and had flaws from the beginning. He had to over-come.
>>63848633
Luke is not a Mary/Gary Sue.
He was incompetent and in need of guidance more often than not, particularly in ANH. less so later on as he improved.
Whereas Rey has STARTED at the level Luke was at in ESB.
It's bullshit.
On another note, Western women are so fucking coddled, entitled, protected, boring and privileged that THIS is the shit they have to raise ire over to kill time.
Most spoiled pieces of shit on the planet.
>>63851018
She learned it since she was a kid, of course she will have a lot of experience!
>>63851065
Of course, since a character can learn how to survive and stuff, but don't call her a mary-sue simply because she has skills.
For fuck sake I feel like we are in the "Mad Max is feminist so it's a bad movie" again...
>>63851116
Lame and pathetic
>>63851018
Short answer: every skill she has is because the Force is strong with her. This is like when Anakin was a Robotics Expert, and Pod Racer.
Rey grew up with a need to survive. The Force assisted her. She may not have understood why she was talented, but she was.
Also, she was very aware of MANY myths of the the Rise and Fall of the Empire. She knew of Han Solo's Kessel Run, and obviously knew stories of the Force.
If you were aware of the mythos of Superman, and somebody told you that you had the power of Superman, wouldn't you try out some of the things like Flying, Super Breath, etc.?
She already knew how to fight. Probably as well as she could mountain climb, or repair space ships and other mechanical devices.
>>63851169
Nah.
Furiosa actually had flaws.
In fact despite Fury Road being the more obviously feminist movie, it actually had more believable female characters.
Anakin did the same as this girl when he was a little kid.
>>63851244
and that was bitched about as well
>>63851169
>She learned it since she was a kid
>She learned to fly the millenium falcon as a kid
>She learned the Jedi Mind Trick as a kid
>She learned telekinesis as a kid
>She learned to shoot a blaster as a kid
Ok
>>63851169
It has nothing to do with feminism. Just bad writing
Hell the thing people complained about most was Finn and he was a flawed character. He was scared and even lied at the start of the movie. He wasn't even super badass compared to Rey who is supergood with the force because.
>>63851234
>Furiosa actually had flaws.
Does she? Outside of the logic of an action movie that needs a badass climax she did everything sensibly and her plan had the highest chance of survival.
>>63851270
Well, they are just powerful characters. Why would that be "wrong"?
>>63850214
I'm American and I use "Amerifat" and "Americlap" all the time.
Maybe you're just a fag who can't handle the banter m8.
Luke was a gary stu as well
/tv/ just hates women who aren't just sex toys and waifu baits
>>63851279
Wait, where did she learn the jedi mind trick again?
>>63851212
The Force was strong in Luke too, but it just ran off his back until he learned, trained, and practiced it. It took him three movies to be able to just stand his own against Vader and then he got fucked up by the Emperor.
> Mad Max: Fury Road was similarly lauded for introducing a kick-ass woman character who didn't need rescue
But Max specifically rescues her in the movie....
>>63851347
While tied down in a room after being tortured.
>>63851324
because Anakin still had flaws from the beginning, the power isn't the issue, the MarySuedom/Garyism of it is.
The hero's journey has flaws and when dealing with hack writers, it is best to examine why. This is what people are trying to tell you.
Not her vagina nor her power. The infallibility of her character = the problem.
You're all missing the largest, major flaw of the character:
She is violent, and a murderer.
Self-defense or not, she has a huge body count.
The scene of her blasting that Storm Trooper is an excellent moment. She was going to straight up murder an oblivious opponent, had the gun not had the safety on.
>>63845872
>calls Captain America or Mission Impossible guy Gary Sues
You are gonna have to help me with MI since I never watched them but the whole thing with Captain America is his morality and judgement put into a position where he doesn't know what to do. Captain America is put into a gray area where he hasn't figured out what is right or wrong. In the Winter Solider he questions if what SHIELD is doing is right or wrong and wonders where is loyalties should be and questions if he is fit for this brave new world. after investigating and some events he gets to the bottom of what is causing his troubles and with great struggle accomplishes his goal. Not a Gary Sue.
>>63851319
The plan at the end comes from Max and not Furiosa.
Also she would've died in the end if it wasn't for Max performing a blood transfusion on her.
>>63851347
Never really explained, but she did probe Kylo's mind. Maybe she learned it there. Or maybe she grew up hearing legends about the Force, the Jedi, and what the Jedi could use the Force to do.
>>63851319
Her plan had a zero percent chance of survival because she was wrong. It was Max's idea to turn back.
>>63851397
Speaking of which, how many shots does she actually MISS on the movie? I only remember one: The first one.
>>63851341
I don't mean I get offended. I just find your jokes and culture retarded.
>>63851397
Luke has a high body count too. It pretty surprising how off with the "jedi order" he was.
>>63851347
She watched the original trillogy on the way to the new Death Star with Kylo. It's was a long trip.
>>63851244
>>63851324
Anakin is a side character in TPM, not the protagonist.
The audience learns he was literally created by the force to be space Jesus.
The audience already knows he's going to dun goof.
Movie made for preschoolers.
>>63851116
>On another note, Western women are so fucking coddled, entitled, protected, boring and privileged that THIS is the shit they have to raise ire over to kill time.
We're not exactly much better
>>63851279
>She learned to fly the millenium falcon as a kid
I don't remember she was good at it, so that's what I will call "having luck"
>She learned the Jedi Mind Trick as a kid
>She learned telekinesis as a kid
She has the Force with her so she actually just needed to realize she has it and stop lying to herself.
>She learned to shoot a blaster as a kid
Because the first planet in the movie is TOTALLY not a dangerous place, nope nope, no one would learn how to defend themselves for the sake of not being dead.
>>63851297
Because of course a movie is only about writing and not about CINEMATOGRAPHY!!!
>>63851244
>implying the prequels are well liked
>>63851347
She didn't.
Also she never had to do the hand gesture thing that everyone does.
She's a Mary Sue.
>>63851244
In Episode 2 he is portrayed as reckless, over confident, rash, jealous, immature and weakened by love.
Episode 1 it has been said that he never finished a podrace despite his genius. Him winning was a lot of luck. Him destroying the battle shit was luck too since he stumbled into the hangar bay.
>>63851424
about as much as other main characters
>screenshots 4chan for an article on verge
>screenshots the verge for a thread on 4chan
>>63851472
>Because of course a movie is only about writing and not about CINEMATOGRAPHY!!!
Well thats a way to win an argument
>>63850034
she *begins* with Force proficiency and lightsaber skills on par with Luke after training with Yoda for the first time in Empire.
Luke got his ass beat constantly and put the time and work in.
Rey wasn't even sure the Force was real until Han said "yeah it's legit".
No comparison between the 2.
Shit writing.
>>63851319
She was about to ride off into the desert and kill everyone.
Max saves the day with logic.
>>63851472
>I don't remember she was good at it, so that's what I will call "having luck"
Watch the movie again
>She has the Force with her so she actually just needed to realize she has it and stop lying to herself.
I guess the Jedi order were just wrong with all that "training" bullshit.
>Because the first planet in the movie is TOTALLY not a dangerous place, nope nope, no one would learn how to defend themselves for the sake of not being dead.
Actually, this was a joke. She said she'd never used a blaster before, then proceeded to be great at it for the rest of the movie.
>>63851530
>>63851504
im too tired for this shit
>>63851504
most of that shitty network websites all tied together under umbrella in various media corporations wouldn't have a job without being able to sound bite random, out of context things on the internet these days so it wouldn't surprise me if this did end up in an article somewhere.
>>63851363
In direct hand to hand combat, yet. However, he was an excellent pilot, as good as Biggs and Wedge Antilles without ever stepping one foot into a starship and logging space flight.
He was an excellent mechanic, who was vital to the survival of the moisture reclamation farm he lived on, as well as the repair of droids.
With barely any training, he was able to use the Force to drop a Photon Torpedo and destroy the Death Star. Sick talent.
And as evidenced in Empire, the biggest thing holding Luke back was his own fears, emotions, etc. He actively suppressed his own Force powers; whereas, Rey is actively seeking to use and expand her abilities.
Thing is, he was never tested as a fighter like Rey was.
That scene when the x-wings pilots talk when they're flying on the starkiller planet
>first shot: the hispanic
>second shot: the woman
>third shot: the fat white guy
>fourth shot: the asian guy back in their headquarters
>fifth shot: the black guy
>>63851424
Yeah, but the combination of the Force and guns is OP as fuck. Luke was a crack shot too and could bullseye womprats at a significant distance.
I'm pretty sure she'll succumb to the dark side at least briefly, considering how much she seems to like killing. And that's pretty much the only way for her character to grow, since she's already so capable and strong.
>>63851370
I remember Furiosa almost dying at the end and Max having to give his blood in order to save her.
Maybe The Verge watched a different movie.
>>63851581
Are you just skipping over the part where everyone has to save Luke to try and make your comparison work?
>>63851370
Max also gives her a blood transfusion to prevent her from dying.
Fury Road works because the two main characters rely on each other. They'd each be dead without the other. Unlike TFA where Rey carries the janitor.
>>63851610
Except she had NEVER USED ONE IN HER LIFE BEFORE. Luke was a crack shot because he had a shitload of practice.
>>63851169
She can be a junkyard scrapper and a good climber since we see that is what she has been doing her whole life. She can know about the Millennium Falcon since she is familiar with it and probably worked on it and knows the modifications made. Her doing the crazy flip and having great piloting skills makes her a Mary Sue. Her learning to do Jedi mind tricks make her a Mary sue. Her having 30 seconds of meditation and all of a sudden win a fight she was losing makes her a Mary Sue. If they cut half her abilities she would be ok.
Did you see the evil, ugly racist bad guy with a mask, holding his flaming cross?
Subtle as fuck
>>63851452
But we're not normalfags or the majority, our behavior is looked down upon and shunned, not applauded for being "brave".
Surely you see the difference.
>>63846111
She opened the tentacle monster cages by mistake.
Mary Sue theory = smashed
>>63845872
So, the article confirms my experience, it was nothing but a glib facsimile.
If Star Wars was all I had access to as a child in terms of sci-fi I probably would become one of those crazy fanboys, but thankfully I had access to anime from very early on in my youth years that my mental balance is very stable.
Seriously, if you have watched Akira, you'd realize just how sophisticated anime is and it blows away anything Star Wars would have to offer.
A lot of people mention Ghost In The Shell, which has just enough of sexuality in the mix to draw in the western audience I suppose but I must say that Ghost In The Shell is not even in my top 10 anime, not even close, that's just how deep the world of anime is.
Some anime is so disturbingly mature like Fractale that I wish it would challenge the system and submit it as a Drama category in the Oscars just to bitchslap the snotty Academy.
It's not just the level of maturity and sophistication anime has, it's also quite original, entertaining, and visually fantastic. I would regard anime as the highest form of cinema art-form.
But hey, me preaching about anime won't do you any good, you gotta go out and see it for yourself just how much you are missing.
The recent one I would recommend to check out is Sword Art Online which is light and easy to get into anime for the first time yet appreciate it as much, but if you want the heavy stuff right off the line check out Guilty Crown in which the plot is so complex and twisted that you'll need extra oxygen pumped into your brain in order to comprehend everything, and if you want amazing visuals and a gripping drama that also has awesome mecha battles Aldnoah.Zero is the shit.
Seriously, if you know anime like I do, Star Wars looks like it's something for little kids.
>>63851370
>furiosa wanted to just fuck off into the desert
>max had to save her several times and kicks her ass a couple times
??
>>63851603
>Starkiller
God I cringed at that more than the rest of the shit you said.
I loved the evil white stormtrooper with his police baton and riot shield beating down the poor brave black man.
Subtle as fuck.
>>63851641
>she is familiar with it
Nope, never established.
>probably worked on it
She's a scavenger
>knows the modifications made
Never established how she knows this.
Everything but the climbing and the scrapping is shit she pulled out her damn ass. hell, she should be malnourished as fuck too apparently.
>>63851678
>copypasta
>>63851650
Crossguards will never be anti-christian conspiracies you neckbeard cukk
>>63845872
Thor is the Mary Sue of the Marvel Universe.
>>63850303
>She just took the fucking lightsaber
And it took Luke at least several months to learn that much.
Not to mention her inexplicable mastery of the mind shit.
Face it, lazy ass writing resulted in a Mary Sue.
>>63851662
Except it's what allows Han and everyone else to escape certain doom from those two asshole factions. This is the EXACT kind of flaw a Mary Sue has.
>>63845872
>verge
You could've picked an article that wasn't written by Apple shills.
>>63851706
It breaks when they attacked him because he was a traitor to the other side.
>>63851581
Luke allegedly put a lot of time into flying some civilian ship called a T-16 Skyhopper. He claimed to be good enough to shoot womp-rats from the air with it and boasted about his piloting skills to Han in the Cantina. His word isn't much to go on but its more than nothing. Vader would have still blasted his ass if Han didn't come back when he did.
The whole thing is filled with subconscious propaganda.
e.g. there was the scene where Rey and Finn both sneak off somewhere in the Millennium Falcon. While they are both panting heavily, the Rey says, "I can't believe we're doing this." This is subtle shit, and if you're not looking for it you will miss it, due to the fact that this is not presented in a overtly sexual way.
/tv/ is full of SJWs now, or is dumb as hell. How this movie is getting defended is beyond me.
>>63851504
>>63851530
not just screenshots, but mobile screenshots.
>>63851212
>Short answer: every skill she has is because the Force is strong with her. This is like when Anakin was a Robotics Expert, and Pod Racer.
But that's what made Anakin such a terrible character in Episode I. And if the "Force being strong with her" makes her good at literally everything, than why weren't Luke and Leia that good at anything?
>If you were aware of the mythos of Superman, and somebody told you that you had the power of Superman, wouldn't you try out some of the things like Flying, Super Breath, etc.?
That's different, though. We've seen in the movies that things like mind tricks takes training, you don't just pick it up a day after you find out that the Force exists.
>>63851581
>He actively suppressed his own Force powers; whereas, Rey is actively seeking to use and expand her abilities
This is the big difference. I can already see her getting drunk off her powers, and I can't wait to see her go straight to the dark side.
>>63851779
lol
>>63851779
Nazi caricature villains (including one who fights the black guy with a burning cross lightsaber, and they even throw in a nazi rally for good measure), the only semi-major white male characters in the film are two old men that they probably felt they needed to include out of marketing obligations: Han Solo who gets killed off and Luke Skywalker who shows up for 5 seconds at the end and literally went into hiding out of jedi guilt due to his failure in training the villain, which led to the deaths of his students.
Why is anyone on /tv/ defending this SJW propaganda shit?
>>63851711
She had a whole conversation with Han about all she knew about the Millennium Falcon. That it was stolen a few times and that alien guy riced it up.
>>63850800
well that actually may be the case, seeing as SJW's are being pandered to left and right. Jessica Jones, new Ghostbusters, etc.
>>63851779
directors cut when
>>63845872
Man the verge really went to shit after josh left.
1) Finn incessantly grabs Reys hand every time they have to run away to the point she complains about it
2) Rey then OH SO CONVENIENTLY grabs Finn's hand to help him up the next time they have to run
3) The part where Finn MUST save Rey at all costs even if it means death... he gives no fuck for the resistances plan
4) After they are reunited they hug for such a long time, in the most awkward moment, then Han Solo has to break them up to say they better get the fuck out of there
The above doesn't include the long pauses, the staring and the innuendo between the two right the way through.
You have to be a manchild moron to not see this shit.
>>63851825
I'll give you that because I remember it now, but she's still a junk collector who has no damn way to be as good at managing the internals of the ship as she is.
>>63849444
trip confim reddit faggot linking sjw websites
>>63851795
I bet the dark side never becomes a problem for her and no character will ever give any good explanation for her apparent immunity to darkness other than "she's a pure girl".
Screenshot this
>>63850331
>around it in fear of being e-shamed out the asshole.
Seems you have fear of being a MAN
>>63851452
Speak for yourself, nu-male. :^)
>>63845980
>Most of my favourite fictional characters are women.
List the top ten.
>>63851209
sj and w
>>63851795
Yeah when she was mercilessly fucking Ren's shit I figured they would trade places before the end of the trilogy, but if shes going to be training under Luke that doesn't seem likely unless hes just a garbage teacher.
>>63851837
Bitch, please.
Jessica Jones is always getting her shit pushed in. She also has to rely on others in order to win.
Jessica Jones is the furthest thing as you can get from a Mary Sue.
>>63851626
Personally, I think her arc is going to mirror Anakin more than Luke.
Luke had to be saved once in every film:
Old Ben saved Luke from Sand People and Han saved Luke from the Sanitation Room monster, as well as from Vader.
In the Phantom Menace, it's Anakin who is constantly saving people. Even when he messes up.
What I'm saying is that Luke wasn't without his own abilities that really came out of nowhere. Yes, in the end of ROTJ, he was probably no better a Jedi in abilities than the average Clone Wars Jedi, let alone a named and featured Jedi.
So compare Rey's storyline to Anakin instead of Luke. The symmetry is there.
>>63851905
Expressing your views about a movie isn't worth ruining your chances of getting laid.
>>63847096
hey max
>>63845872
>She's perfect, but that's ok because she's just like Captain America and Ethan Hunt
Umm what? Both of those characters are heavily flawed human beings ya stupid cunt. Ethan's team dies in the beginning of the first movie and he'll spend the rest of it second guessing all of the spies around him.
Meanwhile Cap starts as a wimpy human trying to do his duty and join his best friend. He's weak, he's shy, but he's grounded and clever. Against absolute evil, he disobeyed orders to save men and fight the Nazis despite how much he loses including his best friend and his own life. Futher more each additional movie builds on cap's internal battle between ideals and the modern world he now lives in
>Only 218 replies
>Bumping your threads
Come back when you get 500+
>>63846691
Huh actually they tend to suck off their son's killers, their male friend's torturer, their own rapists etc etc
Ask any frenchmen
>>63851771
Exactly. But remember that Biggs went to the Rebellion "academy" and Wedge Antilles is the son of a great fleet Captain. Luke out performed both in the Battle of Yavin.
>>63851347
she didn't, she just...did it.
Lazy as fuck and makes for a boring character.
>>63851895
I really can't see her not going to the dark side.
Ifthat chasm hasn't open up after she beat mini vader,you know she would havekilled him.I was getting flashbacks to the scene where the emperor was trying to get luke to kill him and turn to the dark side. Butminivaderwasn't even goading her on. He just looked terrified of his imminent death, and she seemed all too happy to give it to him.
>>63847425
It describes Luke in ANH as well
>>63852178
It really doesn't. In ANH, Luke is just a whiny bitch who is a damn good pilot. Besides flying and mechanics, he sucks at pretty much everything he tries, until he puts a realistic amount of work in to git gud. And even then, his power level is realistic.
>>63849123
lol everyone hated Anikin to the extent that even the shitty child actor got made fun of at school for playing him.
>>63850209
Holy shit, I never realised that until now. I can't immediately recall Luke succeeding at anything other than blowing up the first Death Star (after getting saved by Han and Chewie) and disabling that AT-AT on Hoth (a battle which the rebels lost, anyway).
>>63845872
>the "Bechdel-busting intergalactic hero we were promised"
>implying she doesnt only talk to other women when its about a man
feminism btfo
>>63849123
This is proof that the feminist SJW Marxist cult members don't even like Star Wars. He probably has no clue that fans hated the prequels. Fucking cringe.
On one hand it's nice that normies have stopped bullying nerds like they used to, but them trying so hard to pretend to be "SUCH A NERD XDDDD" is so fucking irritating. Holy fuck.
>>63852104
All right. Destroying the Death Star aside, which he wouldn't have been able to do without the aid of Han despite assistance from magical space ghosts, Luke did do pretty well in the battle. Perhaps better than his background would account for.
But to be fair Wedge did eventually replace him as leader of Rogue Squadron.
>>63852011
pottery
>>63849123
Fucking triggered, revisionism at its finest.
>>63852410
Hey big shot, you certainly are a bigger fan of star wars than them! : )
>>63846757
Honestly he was annoying at first but he's seriously growing on me.
Bretty based.
>>63852518
That would be because Wedge is a real leader, with a father who was there for him that had command and passed this knowledge directly to Luke.
Biggs was a bit of a Hot Shot, like Han Solo and Poe.
Luke worked best when he was on his own. Solo run on the Death Star, lost his gunner but still took down two AT-ATs solo, defeated the Rancor, the Barge Ship (thank you Han for another save against Boba Fett), and against Vader himself.
>>63851021
Powerful isn't the concept that bothered me.
Capable was.
Hyper competent mechanic
>ok
Also skilled Pilot
>ok...
Force sensitive
>I actually like this
Uses Force Trick(s), Pull(s) and Hearing without training
>Hmm, She is a strictly better version of Luke now...
Wins a lightsaber duel against a trained (admittedly slightly injured) Jedi/Sith after having a phobia-level aversion ot the weapon she uses?
>OKWTF...
I'm just happy it's starwars.
>>63851795
I said it in an earlier thread, Kylo and Rey swapping sides would make for a fucking great story
>Rey turns Sith
>Ren turns Jedi
>Ren kills Rey and Snoke
>Rey wasn't such a Mary Sue after all
I wish a nigga would. But they won't.
Women good, men bad. That's the narrative.
>>63851347
She had her memory supressed, and was previously trained by someone else, possibly Luke.
She fucking magically knows how to repair the Millenium Falcon, how to understand Chewey, and how to use a lightsaber, what's more is that R2-D2 activates himself when she enters the room for the first time.
>>63852677
You can tell that he really cares about the movies, too. It's a little weird for him to be on the verge of tears over it, but at least he gives a crap.
>>63852816
> Kylo and Rey swapping sides
Like that has a chance in hell of happening in our Brave New Feminist World lol.
Purge such thoughts from your head.
>>63852796
shes obviously going to turn out to be one of luke's pupils or daughter, it just seems Mary Sueish now because they're saving the explanation for a tweest
>>63851324
a good character is logically consistent, that means that as much as possible and necessary is explained about the person and why it acts how it does. So the characteristics, which include skills, should be justified. Power has to be justified.
In your example, Anakin was space jesus, made out of a virgin birth and the force. Rey isn't, yet she is more powerful than Anakin.
>>63852941
Watch Rey being a force baby jesus like Anakin was.
People thinking she is Luke's daughter are dead fucking wrong.
>>63852816
Darth Rey would make me cum my pants
>>63852977
This.
Rey is not a Skywalker, you fucking retards. Did you forget the significance of Darth Plaugeuis, and the fact that Snoke is him?
He knows how to CREATE LIFE AND CHEAT DEATH.
Rey is his creation, which is why she is so insanely powerful, beyond Luke or Anakin.
>>63847425
I dunno about you but last when i say this my dick was diamonds the whole time from wanting to fuck Rey. Big fucking Mary Sue for sure though.
>>63852977
>>63853050
logically she's most likely han and leia's daughter
>>63846757
Nice. Still don't like him though.
>>63851875
Her mechanical know how is perfectly reasonable but her elite piloting, telepathy and telekinesis are just plain bullshit at such an early stage. She's literally untrained in piloting, the force, and saber combat and already on par with Ep 2 Anakin in some respects for fucks sake.
>>63853131
What if she's already been trained by Luke?
>>63852816
This would actually be really interesting.
Too bad that, yeah, it's extremely unlikely.
>>63853102
How do you even come to such a retarded conclusion? She saw both han and Leia and both would have known
>>63846218
>talks to Maz about Luke
>talks to Leia about Han
FUCKING KEK IT ACTUALLY FAILS THE BECHDEL TEST
>>63852816
Rey dying in the next movie, in anyway, would make this trilogy decent
Do it Rian
>>63849123
>defending a shit character by bringing up another shit character that was universally hated
I love these new Star Wars fans :)
>>63853131
There are so many fuckdamn clues that she was previously trained by someone in the movie you would have to be retarded not to realize this.
>"In your mind I see an island, and an ocean."
>Luke is on an island in an ocean
WOW!
