/trash/ drawthread
Previous thread:
>>3127821
>How do I request?
- Put"requesting" or "/r/" on your request
- Provide references and names in one image/post.
- Don't spam or bump your requests.
- Check the booru and the archives to see if your request was filled.
- New threads should be made once current thread hits page 9-10.
If anon delivers please post it in the /trash/ booru
http://trashdump.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list
You can also help out by uploading and tagging pics in the booru
>What if I want to start drawing?
http://pastebin.com/4CpXsY7a
Requesting this raptor-chan getting fugged by her sempai and keeping her school clothes on.
Requesting costanza meme done with Polly Polaris
I just want a dragon fucking a dragon. Any gender.
>>3144991
Was this even draw in the thread?
>>3144991
long shot but please /r/ this edited to remove the censorship
Requesting Buffalo Bell doing the costanza
>>3145431
Fuck off
>>3145685
around like 2 threads ago I think
Requesting Hank the Cowdog getting fucked in the ass.
Requesting this Jigglypuff giving anon a titftyuck.
Just reposting so I'll know where it is:
/r/equesting a catgal freaking out at how much muscle she's packed on.
requesting the horny wife spreading her baby maker as the slurry oozes out.
Requesting Bunny Mint receiving rough rabbit sex right in her ass. Torn clothes and teeth clenching ideal
Requesting a nude Katt's tits flopping everywhere while doing a barrel roll in her spaceship.
/r/ boeing girl getting boarded by passengers, and covering passengers in exhaust fumes from her ass.
Requesting Bonnie laying across Fel's lap as she's being fingered to a shaky orgasm. Specifically Fel's fingers going deep and curling into Bonnie's g-spot.
Pose refs are rough ideas but Fel could be sitting on a sofa or bedside, if that's easier.
Requesting a very angry Wally spanking Holly's ass hard, as she bites her lips and enjoys it.
porn of true gardevoir plz.
Requesting Betty giving Garzooka a tit-job
/R/equesting Miss Pauling naked and riding Jade Sapphire, like the sample on the right.
Together showing the gorgeous back, with mad/excited expression.
>>3146191
>pokememes memebase
Requesting Sawyer fingering her ass towards the viewer
Requesting a continuation of this panel
>>3146235
>check the filename
it's even worse.
Also, once again, rerequesting that juicy bee pussy being spread wide open and jammed full of dick, dildos or whatever you want to put in there
>>3146250
Greedy for more Sawyer I see? Hmmmmmmm
Requesting Donald Duck getting caught by an angry Daisy Duck while fucking this horse
>>3145729
Have a (You), triggered bitchlord.
>>3146347
Keep in mind that I don't accept flockdraw/joke deliveries.
Requesting lewds of any of these, preferably male, and if not male, then female with a really juicy pussy or cum leaking out.
>>3146432
speedy being an ungrateful autist again
>>3145718
Shitty edits are never a long shot
/r/equesting lewds of Arian from CoC
Here's some pictures of similar looking characters if you need a reference: https://e621.net/post/index/1/leopard_gecko%20amit%20cum
Please help, there's next to no art of Arian amd he's the best character in CoC!
>>3146460
>not taking joke deliveries
>ungrateful
>>3146432
>Flockmod/joke deliveries
To be fair, that Flockmod was a joke delivery to make fun of you, so I can see why on that, (although you did stop requesting the Pikachu after that.)
>>3146425
thanks
>>3146538
It's pretty ungrateful, that took time, jerk.
>>3146547
The only reason why I stopped requesting Pika is because I thought Jigglypuff would fit the bill.
Speaking of which: Requesting a huge breasted Pikachu giving anon a titfuck. (it still haven't properly delivered)
Requesting lunamon getting roughly fucked on a bed like in the ref pic
>>3146507
not a drawfag, but is this Arian fellow the same sick one that you visit in the game to help cure the sickness. I thought Arian was female though.
>>3146632
You got a delivery on the NSFW pokemon board but the drawfag deleted it.
>>3146609
How long did it took you? 5 minutes to scribble out a crewdly drawn image.
Let's face it, shit's going to hit the fan again when a proper artist like Lonbluewolf delivers.
>>3146682
>crewdly
You spelled it properly once, come on
>>3146664
Screencap or it didn't happen.
>>3146739
It was up for half a day you fucking autist you don't work or ever leave the thread so if you actually cared about your stupid request you would have monitored it like every other thread until I pointed it out and you started asking around again.
Glad the artist deleted it, you don't even want it.
>>3146739
There is a reason he deleted it, speedy
>>3146652
Yes, it's the same one, and his gender is determined by your sexual preference. So he can be either male or female, but by default he's male.
>>3146682
>>3145738
>>3145746
You're still an awful person, and a pedophile, Speedy.
Just ignore him.
/r/ing Something cute with this frog businessman.
>>3146499
thank you!!
>>3146318
>or whatever you want to put in there
Requesting a train, submarine, and a giraffe being shoved into the bee pussy.
made a discord specifically for /trash/ join if you wanna hang out https://discord.gg/012UCxucVbIaZ1q95
>>3146632
ur mom never properly delivered
This is Alexander from Pinocchio. He was just turned into a donkey by the Coachman who sells donkeys to salt mines and circuses. Requesting Alexander having to sexually pleasure a man who just bought him as a sex slave. Either getting his anus pounded or having to suck off the guy.
Requesting Woolma Lamb have in the full nelson position with an ahegao face
/r/ Polly giving a handjob to TWO wieners
>>3146958
>anchor posts, speedy, discord, tripfags and attention whores, inevitable skype drama, flock draws, meta bullshit
/aco/ please go.
/r/ Winnie Werewolf diapered
>>3147300
>Discord
This is a bad thing.
>Anchor posts
I have yet to see a problem here yet.
>Tripfags
>On a board with no name field
>Attention whores
Already got those
>Speedy
>Skype drama
Naa.
>Flock draws
>Artists making art is a bad thing
>Meta bullshit
Already rife with that too.
What's next, gonna say we're raiders/invaders from the /a/ IRC?
>>3147136
Requesting Gypsy looking at the viewer from above, with her tits and pussy exposed, like in the right pic.
She should be saying: Are you still fapping to me? That's cute, honey!
I know moths don't have boobs, but please add that.
Ded thread, no drawfags. The dream is over.
>>3146432
nobody is obligated to give you shit, and you contribute nothing
learn to draw yourself, you've obviously got the time so you may as well make yourself fucking useful
>>3146319
I requested this exact thing a few threads ago and i waited a few threads before i reposted it since it wasnt filled wtf are you going on about?
make this mage cat do something gay make him a complete faggot
>>3147985
forgot to put /r/
>>3148011
I think people can tell you are making a request.
>>3147985
where'd his tail go in the middle pic
>>3148024
The X is so you can see the ass.
>>3148024
it was magicked away
>>3144991
Who's the semen demon?
>>3147905
>no drawfags
Did the drawfags fuck off to another drawthread?
requesting Ben forgot his pants and underwear, and he's cover it up, and Pandora is giggling
>>3148106
A monkey.
>>3148248
Yep. No Lon, Dangpa, or any of the other big guns in what... a week now?
>>3148274
Does anyone know where they fucked off to?
>>3148311
Yes, one of them. I don't want retards following them though, you already shit up this place.
>>3148248
Nope, most of them just have standards. They pop by the flockmod on occasion.
>>3148327
Say it
>>3148311
Summer school
>>3148338
There has been one mid level drawfag in the flock draw its mostly retards scribbling crude dicks and swastikias like every other flock draw.
>tfw drawfag
>tfw been saving requests to do for later
>tfw just don't feel like drawing right now and most of these ideas predictably remain outside of my interest
>>3148383
To draw abnormal stuff.
>>3145729
On it
>>3148404
>One
There were 2 a couple nights ago, and ~4 2 nights before that.
And they were pretty good.
Since when is there a flockdraw? Link?
>>3148338
>standards
>posted on /trash/
They don't get to have that position
Requesting Catty wearing a slingshot bikini with her nips poking through the fabric/her areola not being covered up completely by the fabric
>>3148422
Nice blog update.
>>3148434
http://flockmod.com/trash
Just peeked in, today's theme is apparently: feral.
>>3148443
thanks i wrote it myself :)
>>3148422
I'm the same, but replace "later" with never.
Being a shit artist is the worst. Seeing a good delivery makes me want to kill myself.
>>3148422
>tfw it's not that big of a deal and we just have too many thirsty fucks
>>3148449
Last feral thing I have ever seen delivered here was that really good Pyroar months ago, the one with the really lewd butthole and the raptors. Unless you count the fairly anthro Giraffes which were good too.
>>3148422
>and most of these ideas predictably remain outside of my interest
You DO realize you can say "taking x requests" and you can get boatloads of requests that ARE in your interest, right?
>>3148449
>today's theme is apparently: feral
>>3148492
>fairly anthro giraffes
>feral
?
>>3148534
*semi-anthro.
>>3148449
Post an image, I'm on phone.
/r/equesting this cat leaning against a wall, in a helicopter or something. Or smut, with a [spoiler]dog dong[/spoiler]. Anything at all, really.
>>3148492
>Last feral thing I have ever seen delivered here
I take it you didn't see this then.
>>3148586
I didn't. This makes me very happy in more ways than one.
Hopefully there is cross species impregnation in that universe (Life finds a way).
>>3148608
>but the other part of my post, the "don't feel like drawing" bit overrides by desire to start asking for requests
I know, I meant when you're feeling up to taking request again.
>>3148492
>Last feral thing I have ever seen delivered here was that really good Pyroar months ago, the one with the really lewd butthole and the raptors.
Literally go on
http://trashdump.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list
And see deliveries.
Requesting Gagged, Bound, Female Asriel on a Wooden Horse
>>3148630
>I was just about to say this
Thanks for saving me some time.
>>3147136
>>3147444
>nice trips
Not OR, but tbqh i thought it could use some balls and more hand movement
>>3148547
Just got back from Dinner to this.
Waiting for this WiP to finish. Putting it here so drawer can link to it
request Takato and Guilmon playing volleyball against Rika and Renamon at a nudist beach/club.
Requesting Kamala Khan getting fucked/impregnated by a giant roach.
Requesting Digby looking nervous as he uses a dildo for the the first time.
>>3148702
it could use more nudity, too
>>3148962
I kinda want this. Especially if she's a nigger.
>>3149317
she's a sand nigger
requesting poppy and kit darling having cute lesbian sex
>>3148887
the inking kinda failed so i'll just post the sketch. not sure if i'll ever get back to it desu
Oy! Sorry I was more occupied than expected.
I remembered this being the most wanted one, so i hope you like it.
>>3149705
hmm, i guess you can get a delivery if you post it 50 times.
/r/equesting this dragon lounging around in some kind of skimpy silk harem outfit. Preferably with a big human-style (ridged/segmented?) dick visible. You know, like that Flint toy. Whatever works, though!
/r/ this with a Sylveon
>>3149745
>tfw I recognize the artist
Fancy seeing you here of all places friendo
>>3149753
they just got lucky that i'm addicted to cat girls of various forms
>>3149753
No shit. 99% of drawfags don't care and the ones that do just filter them out.
>>3149745
You're still my favorite artist here.
>>3149818
>tfw no one ever recognizes me
I guess I'm just shit.
>>3149818
>tfw someone recignizes me
Someone KNOWS me?!
>>3149822
Oh rly?
>>3149886
Well, I mean, you fulfilled a request of mine once, so it'd be hard for me to NOT recognize you.
>>3149914
It baffles me everytime.
I'm sorry.
>>3149941
Get a tablet and you'll be the best artist here.
>>3149745
Man, am I glad that you took the suggestion and did a great job with it.
I'm in love with that cute, chubby belly, and I also love the shape and expression you gave to the eye, makes it look really damn sexy.
gr8 stuff m8.
>speedy's an HGfag
wOw what a fucking surprise.
>>3150076
he also hosts ERP threads
>>3150123
He is a namefag on flockdraw despite not knowing how to draw. He's an attention whore, ignore him. He gets off on it.
>>3150123
>he also hosts ERP threads
Of course he would.
>>3150152
Whoa whoa, lots of no life NEET living in mom's basement. We aren't all bad, we are all thirsty though.
>>3150149
>He is a namefag on flockdraw despite not knowing how to draw
I thought that was just some random fucker imitating him to mock him.
>>3150152
don't diss the NEETs bitch, they keep 4chan running
>>3150186
No he is in discords, he used to trip fag on other boards, banters all the time (not the good kind). Ignore him.
>>3150204
>Not even flockdraw is safe from his autism
>>3150152
A majority of 4chan is no-life NEET basement dwellers.
>>3150076
I never knew what is a HG thread
Explain please
Requesting cat curly kissing the tip of a tiny mimiga dick and being surprised at the excessive amount of cum it produced, with the mimiga looking very ashamed.
>>3150299
the post number demands it
>>3150204
He was in the pixiv chat last night and Red was dumb enough to draw something for him.
>we don't wanna deliver for those faggots on /trash/
Good going, retard. Pass on the message, I know the rizon cronies inhabit here.
>>3150149
> Mfw I also sometimes draw on flockdraw with a name, despite drawing like shit.
Well fuck. Guess now I need to self-immolate to unspeedyfi myself.
>>3147416
>I have yet to see a problem here yet.
Easy.
>"WHY ISN'T MY POST LINKED"
>"WHY IS HIS POST LINKED"
Booru guy, do I have to teach you about tranperency? Because it sure seems that way.
>>3150368
>pixiv chat
Are those the same guys that spam the thread with requests and never draw anything here?
>>3150377
>That
You just link all DELIVERIES. Like a normal Anchor.
And if it isn't linked, you link it yourself.
>>3150272
>Someone was dumb enough to draw something for him
Of course.
Someone needs to try to get him v& already, but everyone here is either unable to or is too much of a pussy to attempt it.
Requesting RGTristana getting impregnated
>>3149908
yes
>>3150737
i wouldn't mind lewds of this particular cat.
requesting berry laying on all fours and having her first squirting orgasm from a bullet vibrator
>>3150891
This cat even had an animated delivery.
But yeah, more lewds would be nice, she is pretty charming.
>>3150945
Does anyone here even do animated requests anymore?
I remember one from like a few month ago.
>>3150945
She's fucking crazy actually, but i still want to fuck her.
Requesting Oka from xenoblade chronicles sitting on a dick while sluttiy moaning
>>3151250
>She's from endtown, right?
That's right, give it a try... worst case scenario, you dislike it and drop it.
I personally like it very much, and all the female characters a perfectly fuckable.
>>3151388
Specially this fucking koala bear, i want to destroy her ass.
Requesting Laughing cow X lactaid cow lewds
>>3151633
tumblr please go
>>3150505
damn is that a rework of that skin or is this fan art? Shes actually hot.
>>3150152
Don't insult NEETs by comparing them to that pedophile.
>>3151388
>all the female characters a perfectly fuckable.
And the author knows it, despite not originally being a furry himself (no way he isn't now, though) and coming from a more mainstream background. Supposedly there's a pinup calendar dropping at the end of the year.
His personal tastes run to the chubby, so the heavier girls will likely have a particular amount of effort put into them. Pic related.
>>3150076
You know, if everyone would just report his spam every time, -everyone- he would go away.
>>3152060
Don't insult pedophile NEETs by comparing them to that autist.
>>3152085
And related again.
>>3152085
>Supposedly there's a pinup calendar dropping at the end of the year.
i just hope Kc doesn't "contribute" to it... i want all the art to come from Aaron himself.
>>3151633
delivr'd
>>3152298
holy cow
>>3152389
It's not a delivery. It's a repost. I'm not the requester but at least repost something with a cunt so I can rub one out.
>>3145404
Is that Thai? What does it say?
>>3152154
His response when asked was, and I quote "Pffft...noooooooo......".
Mind you, the pretext for being asked was him mentioning that he and Jamil were working on "a little something something" for Neathery himself, so...
>>3152498
kc attention whoring as always, good to know he's not working on the calendar.
>>3150149
>>3150204
>>3150237
>>3150368
>>3150156
>>3150186
Maybe Mods will Remove Spedo.
>>>/qa/545649
>>>/qa/545649
>>>/qa/545649
>>3152577
>hey mom I posted it again
>implying mods care about this board
>>3152577
>ib4 mexifaggot Marielx starts to defend speedy
>>3152558
Well, he's old news in the Furry fandom, a has-been. Gotta latch on to something nowadays in order to stay visible...
(Seems like he's stuck with Endtown longer than most of his flavours of the week, though... probably because he has direct access to the creator)
>>3152785
>probably because he has direct access to the creator
he's a top patron so naturally made friends with Aaron, he's got some fucking ego though, he believes his some sort of spokesman for Aaron or something, or some kind of authority.
>>3152870
it's a behaviour called BIRGing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basking_in_reflected_glory
he has issues...
>>3153036
>he has issues...
well no shit, the article describes him perfectly.
>>3152870
Don't you hate it when he tries to moderate the threads?
"Don't talk about how Aaron used to be a fatty-fetish artist"
"Please, please email Aaron because I get off on watching him read fanmail"
"Stop talking and let the thread die before the next comic even though it's only half way to the bump limit because I want make a new thread with a clever title"
>>3153116
it's so fucking weird and pathetic when he does that... he's like some kind of helicopter parent.
>>3153116
>Don't you hate it when he tries to moderate the threads?
i fucking do, it's annoying as fuck... worst is every time he has a mental breakdown and starts samefagging and pouting 2009 memes
>>3153154
Neathery shows signs of literal, non-buzzword autism, though (working at something obsessively to the point of bodily neglect, throwing tantrums when his routine is disrupted, comfort items), so Howell may actually care, he's just expressing it in a really odd and, yes, pathetic way.
>>3153186
I'm fairly sure he's the main one using all those "nigga what" and "oh you" Endtown reaction images.
Requesting Ceviche getting his boipussy stuffed in either the full nelson or doggy style positions.
>>3153254
>throwing tantrums when his routine is disrupted, comfort items
i never heard of this, and that's a shame really... i have loads of respect for the guy, he is very dedicated and he is genuinely a nice person.
>so Howell may actually care, he's just expressing it in a really odd and, yes, pathetic way.
i personally donate to the comic because i really care for both his well being and the comic in general, that's my way of helping. What kc is doing is literally riding on Aaron's dick, he's not helping at all.
You two are really killing my erection here.
>>3149705
>>3149745
deliveries
>>3153410
fine, let's talk about speedy then,
>>3153482
Aaand it's gone.
>>3152638
Nice try, Speedy.
Requesting Claire getting fucked silly. Anal or vaginal, your choice.
>>3153723
Didn't you request her pissing herself before?
>>3153758
Wasn't me. Piss doesn't tickle my fancy.
request Usagi giving Luna cunnilingus ,it be done the other way around lots of times but Luna receiving doesn't exist as far as i know. btw i have googled and checked 8 boorus!
>>3149705
OR here,thanks it looks great.
Requesting a bi threesome with Buster, Babs and Plucky.
addition reference: http://the-collection.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=31440
Requesting lewd with a female verision of this xeno race.
>>3144991
Sorry about that.
Requesting this kitty lying on the floor while sucking or licking a dog cock like this http://imgur.com/eVLH2ED
>>3155006
looks like bite marks
I can't tell if this is a new thread or the same one as two days ago. Its the same requests over and over and no deliveries ever. What point is there to these threads anymore?
>>3148441
Requesting Rosianna lustfully going reverse cowgirl on David's dick.
>>3155189
>Now imagining Catty actually carving a diamond with her nipples
Why am I enjoying this.
>>3155165
All the drawfags left and shit posting mysteriously stops. Hopefully retards smartened up but I don't think we are going to recover since we are a hidden board.
>>3155423
What, was /trash/ bigger when it first got started? Has it been losing users since inception because it's not advertised? I came here relatively late (a few weeks ago) so I don't know what it used to be like.
>>3145404
delivery
>>3155165
>>3155729
Also all the remaining artists are objectively terrible. Otherwise they wouldn't be drawing for free when it is ludicrously easy for furfags to get commissions. People just want you to draw their character/fetish so if you can hold a pen they're basically willing to give you money. Hence the artists here suck dicks.
>>3155809
(You)
>>3155680
/trash/ was smaller when it started, and very slow.
Like, threads could last for several days without a bump (now it's a few hours only, goddammit). This is most likely thanks to the shitton of worthless >20 post threads that are up and keep being made to force everything else down.
We've unfortunately gained a lot of users now, probably from being linked here or having a thread moved.
The first few days were wondering if it was another honeypot, but it was full of furry porn, and a SHITLOAD of pony topics. Mainly because /mlp/ finally had a place to cream their dickcheese off, although a lot of mlp topics has since died off thanks to the show and fandom becoming irrelevant and terrible.
They forced HG threads on /trash/ like quest threads were forced onto /tg/. That's why there's so many of the fucking things.
Most of all, /trash/ was super comfy, with practically no shitposting whatsoever besides some butthurt over ponies. This draw thread had quite a few deliveries at first thanks to drawfags finally having a place to draw furry porn, but they seem to have left when the novelty wore off. (This is like, 3~4 months ago at the latest)
The rest of the board is still comfy, but it's way too fast now, and that sort of speed kills the comfy and brings on shitposting.
Such a shame for a good board, probably the best one in a long, long time.
>>3155729
Well now, that came out more adorable than lewd. Fucking sempais...
>>3155809
Nice. Count that as one less terrible artist then. Enjoy your shitposting.
>>3155680
Board first opened it was primarily furfags and ponyfags that occasionally butted heads.
Pony fags left fairly quickly when Patachu and Zimbabwe drama'ed out of the thread and they split, some are still here and are alright. Minor bout of shit posting over some guy requesting Jar Jar bicks (much todo about nothing and minor). Occasional whining about reposted requests.
Threads were then in their golden age with 150+ ips per thread, lasted 24+ hours per thread, everyone had fun, tons of drawfags, nearly 100% furry porn. This lasted 3-4 months? It was great.
/aco/, /d/, and finally /8gag/ shit posting homosexuals (the ones that like penis) started flooding in and the community went to shit within a week. They all poured in from crossboard people linking deliveries into their main boards primarily (I would imagine) they don't stick around but their shit posters and tripfags with ego problems do. Board is hidden so it doesn't get new blood and the old garbage won't fuck off, massive spam waves for weeks from either useful idiots or pure shit posters, thread death, here we are.
>>3155729
OR here, thanks anon. It's really cute, matched exactly what I wanted.
The pantyhose on her legs is a nice touch.
>>3155680
Well, we absolutely did not have (you)-machine posters like >>3155809
Also, a lot of our artists in the beginning weren't very "good" either, but people appreciated the deliveries nontheless, and would help them out with advice regardless.
>>3155729
Not the OR but I would go Jurassic Park on that pussy.
>>3155901
What a little bitch.
>>3156003
I wont waste time where I'm not wanted. This thread is like 90% shitposts, why would I possibly put hours into a picture that could be for the same shitposter who wants to talk shit about literally all the artists here?
>>3155901
>tfw yet another passing ship in the night
Will everyone leave us?
People keep denialposting that artists "ignore and hide" shitposting, but that doesn't seem true at all.
I'd say please don't go sempai, but I can't blame for leaving here. I just hope you find some of the generals here a home, a lot of them are actually still nice, comfy and good discussion.
>>3156003
>>3155809
Please, please stop shitposting.
I beg you. Please, anon.
>>3156059
>hours
Holy shit that took you hours? Dude you need a new hobby, you don't have talent. I'm saying that as a fellow failed artist; some people are just not meant to be artists. You are definitely one of them if that took you more than 20 minutes.
>>3156137
Please...
>>3156059
For the attention, that's why.
>>3156137
>int
go back
>>3156137
I haven't posted anything in this thread today so I have no idea what you're talking about. It's pretty funny though, someone who is a self-admitted failed artist trying to presume that speed = talent. No wonder you failed, you're a little bitch. No such thing as talent, it's all hard work. Good luck being a beta bitch failure though.
>>3156165
There are much better draw threads that I do hang in, if I want attention I'll get it there.
>>3156059
So you want a hugbox that's nothing but sugar plums and rainbows? Good luck. Take your lumps and get stronger from them.
>>3156189
Show us some of your work then, Leonardo.
>>3156189
to be fair speed is a very desirable skill in art, it denotes a knowhow of the nuance of basic things like anatomy and perspective if you can blaze through something simple and make it look good
>>3156189
Pic for lulz
Yeah, I'm a failure as an artist but the
>hours
I would have spent on one pic have gone towards things I have more natural aptitude for, and this will gain more out of. I'm just saying you could be doing something better with your time, not to an hero or anything. Not to make you feel bad but that is not fap-quality work, which is all people care about in these threads.
>>3150368
>>3150472
>dumb enough to draw something for him.
I don't know (or care) about the situation, but isn't the entire point of a drawthread, to draw?