Tulpa Thread
>What are tulpas?
A tulpa is an entity created in the mind, acting independently of, and parallel to your own consciousness. They are able to think, and have their own free will, emotions, and memories. In short, a tulpa is like a sentient person living in your head, separate from you.
More info: http://www.tulpa.info/faq/
>What guides do you recommend?
Check these out:
https://community.tulpa.info/thread-new-great-big-list-of-guides
Ask questions and get answers, or discuss tulpas in general
>>1896031
previous thread
>>1923450
>My question is this: What're the odds that she's still back there, a little egg of a tulpa within head waiting to be fully completed?
I couldn't tell you the odds, but I am having the same experience. Stopped working on it for years, but I still feel it.
Do you still get the pressure in your head? I have it every day.
Have you hugged your tulpa and told them that you love them, today?
anon & the boop checkin in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0UAqJWzsZE
I like to draw tulpas
& tulpa drawers of all skill levels are welcome in the /trash/ OC drawthred
i never knew how much i wanted something like this. thanks, based anon. im gunna do a bunch of research.
what does your tulpa think of your depressed/suicidal thoughts?
>>1925690
>loving your tulpa
nice meme faggot
>OP pic
y u do dis to me ?:(
>>1927194
>LELLELELLELELLEL
XDXDDXDDXDXDDX
^:^)^:):^):)^:)^:)^:):^):^):^):^)^
>>1925928
Depressed? She always tries to help. Although I've never really considered it, she'd be hella pissed if I was actually suicidal.
>>1925086
I don't have the pressures, but I still feel in some way that she's back there. Call it instinct, an innate knowledge. Either way, bringing her back is my priority.
I miss my tulpae. Tulpette? What do you all refer to young tulpas as?
>>1927601
>she'd be hella pissed if I was actually suicidal.
Why? That doesn't make sense, they wouldn't get mad if they actually cared about you.
>>1927657
I dunno anon, I'd be pissed too if someone brought me into this world, where my life was linked to theirs, and they became suicidal.
Almost like a cruel joke.
>>1927657
Different people would take that information in different ways. You've surely heard people refer to those who are suicidal as selfish, haven't you? There's also the fact that should the physical body die, we tulpas will also die as a result.
I'm curious guys.
From the original concept you created, to the fully grown tulpa, how much did they deviate from the original personality you envisioned?
>>1927753
I'm interest as well
>>1925928
She doesn't want to hear any of it. I can't even tell her that I would have killed myself by now if it weren't her without her telling me to stop talking about it.
Though apart from thoughts centered on harming myself in any way, she cares a lot for me whenever I am feeling sad. She is a nice tulip.
>>1927815
>I can't even tell her that I would have killed myself by now if it weren't her without her telling me to stop talking about it.
>weren't her without her
wut?
>>1927854
*if it weren't for her, without her
>>1927657
It's a bit more complicated than that. She cares about me, but she also believes that I've already beaten a lot of odds against me and have the capability to be a positive force for other people. She's there for me when I'm sad, she's just be mad that I was giving up on myself, given how many times I haven't already.
>>1925928
We talked today about this after seeing your post. I live a pretty good life and have never had depression or suicidal thoughts. She said she'd be accepting of my choice, even if it meant she'd die too. I brought up egocide as an alternative to her dying if I wanted to, but she didn't seem too keen on living in her host's she'll. Again, it's hard for me to think about that shit when I've a relatively easy life compared to most people who end up her.
>>1928022
>egocide
>letting tulpa assume the hosts shell
Holy hell, this sounds like science fantasy, but its not. I love it.
>>1928152
I don't even know if it's possible to be honest, it's just one of these stories you hear. I just thought that you don't have the right to infringe on the tulpa's right to life just because you have a right to end your own life, so I suggested a way round that, if it is even possible.
There's a lot of ethical stuff to consider when you're talking about tupperware, most ethics already discussed in normal society hasn't really looked at situation with plurality. Granted, most of them don't matter unless you and your tup fall out, but you dun goofed if you can't reason with someone who knows how you think.
For those who claim to have one, what is it like? I work a minimum wage job when I'm not at my university, and I've often wondered what it would be like to mentally discuss thoughts, instead of my mind being a dull monologue. Do you and your tulpa talk often?
>>1928316
we used to talk pretty frequently, but since ive been tired so constantly and busy it normally only takes place before bed. when we do talk its pretty nice though
How do you deal with stuff like taking a shower or going to the bathroom? I've heard most people just send their tulpa to their wonderland.
>>1928922
Well I mean they're already inside your head, there's no harm in letting them see whatever they want, unless they're bothered by it. In which case they'll just go somewhere else.
>>1928922
Let's add masturbation to that as well
>>1928922
they can ignore whatever they want
>>1928947
Holy fuck this. I love a good wank, but my tulpa would be there just watching? Kinda weird. I don't want a tulpa for fug, just hug.
>>1928922
Shower with tupper, dissociate when disgusting things happen. Basically just use a servitor to control my body, while I escape to my wonderland.
Though my tulpa doesn't really give a shit regardless, because she's not ignorant.
>>1928922
Mine is really immature and starts laughing and shouting "benis" every time I need to wash down low. I don't have a wonderland so I can't send her there either.
>>1928947
I was actually just about to ask about this. I haven't fapped once since I started making my tulp nearly two weeks back. Partly because it feels like I've lost a lot of my libido, but also because I don't know if I can do it when someone else is watching, and I don't know how to make her go away, and she's a real cunt who will just stay around if I ever can sneak away and do it. She also makes jokey flirty comments all the time and I might die of shame if she comes around whilst I'm doing the deed.
>>1929025
I'm actually curious: how do you create a servitor? Is it basically just developing a habit? Because there's plenty of guides on Tupperware, but I haven't seen many/any guides for pure servitors.
>>1929409
make tulpa but entirely skip personality
>>1929435
huh, ok. That's surprisingly simple. Thanks for the info, anon.
>>1929503
Why the hell did you quote me? >>1929025
Did you not read my last sentence. 3DPD breaks the escapism.
>>1929802
>dissociate when disgusting things happen.
Am I understanding you correctly that you intentionally disassociate when you wash your own naked body? Sorry, it's just not very clear, and with all the other self-hate and sexual disgust in the thread it's just easy to assume. Please, explain what you meant to say.
>>1929867
I think you're under the impression that not wanting to see yourself is being ashamed of your body, when to me at least it's choosing looking at a painting over looking at a wall.
>>1930407
Huh. I guess that makes more sense. Still, there's a pretty weird emphasis here on avoiding your tulpa when you're naked. Just seems weird to me.
Is fucking your tulpa taboo around here or something? It wasn't in the /mlp/ threads, what happened?
I have a couple questions:
Is /trash/ such a civilized/"small town" board because there are no actual links that lead to it besides the ones people put in threads?
What are your favorite guides for creating a tulpa? I understand that there are many different methods, but I want to hear your opinions. It's almost a little overwhelming with the number of guide because some guides, like Fede's, get criticized either either extremely positively or extremely negatively with few moderate opinions.
So yeah
Is forcing a personality really necessary? I've seen some debate over that and want to hear your opinions.
>>1930494
>Is /trash/ such a civilized/"small town" board because there are no actual links that lead to it besides the ones people put in threads?
/trash/ forces anon, is hidden, and has almost 0 rules (pone is allowed, porn is allowed, furry is allowed, dub threads, tupperware, everything). This, of course, makes for a fantastic board. <3 /trash/
>What are your favorite guides for creating a tulpa?
Pretty much doesn't matter between them. Just do what works between all of them, and be happy when it functions well.
>Is forcing a personality really necessary?
I would argue yes, because without that, nothing really separates it from a servitor. But if your servitor develops a personality on its own, I guess it'll work for you.
>>1930494
Personality is necessary, but the list of traits shit that all guides have isn't.
>>1930494
Probably.
I ended up using my own technique with FAQman's guide serving as a starting point. My advice is to read ones you like and do your own thing with advice you get from those.
Give them a starting point, that's my advice, and let them develop as they will, deviation and all that. Just set up a basic idea of what you want them to be like.
>>1927753
My tulpa turned out exactly what I wanted her to be, and I had like 40+ personality traits written down in great detail of how she should turn out.
It took me about two months to get her to vocality and during the next few months after that, she started deviating quite a bit. First she wanted a different form, then a new name, then she came up with ideas of what she wants to do with her life.
So over the last few years, she, of course, changed a lot, but her core traits are still as present as before.
>>1928922
My tulpa doesn't have a good understanding of why people don't want to be seen naked, or she actively choses to ignore it. As a result, she isn't making situations like showering or going to the bathroom awkward. Though I do feel mighty uncomfortable when she watches me take a dump. She panics like a dog when she has to wait on the other side of the door though, so we agreed on her just looking away while I do the deed...of taking a dump.
>>1928947
I got used to it. Only thing that bothers me is when she is complaining about the stuff I masturbate to, or is angry at me for not having sex with her instead.
>>1930494
>What are your favorite guides for creating a tulpa?
First of all, read all the guides. At least all of which you can find in the OP. The general ones, not the advanced guides. Though it would be good to read them all. Oh, and do it your own way. Guides are just pieces of advice, not manuals.
Other that, Kiah's somethingsomething guide is my favorite. But that's just a bias since my tulpa luvs him.
>Is forcing a personality really necessary?
No, it is not necessary. You should keep in mind though, that your tulpa will have a personality anyways, it will just develop on its own, mostly based on your expectations (I suppose).
Creating a personality is morally questionable because you are forcing a personality on her. But so is giving life.
So guys...
http://strawpoll.me/7109412
>>1930612
Oh right there's some guides on the tulpa wiki, dunno which ones are on .info or not http://tulpa.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Guides as well as some other articles that could be useful.
>>1930833
>1 boy
kek, I bet it's doctorposter, too
Why do some people say "tupper?" Is there a difference?
>>1931228
tulpa, tupper, tupperwere, toopla, tupla, etc
>>1930757
>masturbating instead of fucking your tulpa
Are you serious, nigga?
Anyone here particularly good at possession? I was out playing basketball today, and I know that there's a guy in the NBA who says he has an imaginary friend who tells him when he's open and where to watch on defence but also who he chills with between games, it sounds a lot like a tulpa basically. So I thought my tupper could be just as good at that sort of thing. She's not the best but she's only seen me play once so she'll get a handle on it later.
Why I'm talking about possesion is because I tried to let her have a go using my body, and all she could really do is walk in a straight line. I thought it was pretty funny, but I'm interested to hear if there's any particularly cool things they've managed to do when their tup is in control.
>>1931249
>doing either
>>1931286
my tulpa have possession and switching down 100%. only hard thing at this point is trying to do it again after a long period of time. we used to play games and stuff, but after awhile the novelty wore off and its hard to find a reason to
>>1931249
Sex is bloody exhausting, mate.
>>1931296
>not fucking your tulpa
>not fapping
It's like you enjoy suffering, faggot.
>>1931423
>suffering
The hell makes you think I'm suffering?
>>1931447
Because you're not having sex with your tulpa. You're not even masturbating. Not experiencing pleasure is suffering, however mild it may be.
>>1931319
I might have asked this in a previous thread, but what is switching like?
What do you like to do while switched?
>>1931476
Not him but man life and tulpas don't revolve around that kinda shit you know? I mean he's probably full of shit about not jacking it ever but you know.
>>1931498
Not saying it's what life revolves around, m8, but experiencing pleasure in general is important. Plus, who doesn't want to share mutual pleasure with your best friend?
>>1931530
You know there are different kinds of pleasure you can experience with friends, right? Just because this guy doesn't like sex doesn't mean that he is suffering.
Well, it means he has mental problems because every human being is born with the desire to have sex just as much as they are born with the need to drink and eat, buuut uh..not having sex is not the same as suffering. Not stabbing yourself is also not the same thing as feeling pleasure.
>>1931497
Like a dissociative break. As if your eyes were a movie screen streaming from some place far away and your body is doing things in the wrong order, with movement coming before the intent.
>>1931555
>associating desires with needs
you're contradicting yourself friendo. Sex isn't a necessity, my ballsack wont spontaneously explode after not sexing or masturbating for periods of time.
>>1931555
>it means he has mental problems because every human being is born with the desire to have sex
there's my point. Nice trips tho
Also, I'd posit that pleasure and pain exist on a spectrum: 0 is complete neutrality, negative numbers are pain, and positive is pleasure. However, not getting something you're biologically driven to desire (EG sex, food), is "painful."
>>1931647
Needs != biological drives
>>1931497
switching isnt what anybody who hasn't done it thinks it is. its just watching your tulpa possess but from their perspective in the wonderland and in your body. kinda like double spectator cam in an fps. i normally just lay on the bed and stay there because i can't perceive my own view during everything. that, or i will just ball up in a corner out of the way somewhere. for the body, instead of being how it normally is, just being the body like normal, its like everything you aka the tulpa does feels like a habit, even if its something new. sorta like deja vu, but without the whole "ive seen this before" just like i feel like ive done this before but really havent
I had a really weird dream last night where I made a tulpa, except it was some bizarre shadow monster that took up a corner of my room, and refused to have anything to do with me. Does this mean anything subconsciously?
>>1931713
make a jackie chan tulpa, it will guide your way
>>1931555
>mental problems
Fucking excuse me?
Rude
>>1931652
>biological drives
that's your opinion. not everyone is driven by that, there are mindsets. you're dealing with someone like that right now.
I'm going to make a pretty strange analogy here, but sex is no different than a cigarette, alcohol, weed. It's something you don't need, but if you decide to give it a shot no one's stopping you.
>>1931745
he is just inspiring. i wish i could be a chinese ninja man like him when i grow up.
>mfw i force both my tulpa to slowly become the chan man
>>1931749
Well, alright, anon. I concede. If not having sex makes you happy, go right ahead. Sorry for calling you a faggot on the internet. Live and let live and all that.
>>1931749
Well, reproduction is thing. But I'll let someone else take that weight.
>>1931764
Oh please, that's what this site is for, arguing with others and calling them a faggot for not agreeing with you.
faggot
>>1931770
Species as a whole do need to reproduce to survive
I just don't give a shit about it
>>1931647
I am not sure what your point is. All I said was that the desire to have sex is something every human being is born with, just like the need to drink. It doesn't really matter whether one of those is a desire and the other is a need. You are born with those anyways. That's a fact.
>>1931739
"human beings, from birth, possess an instinctual libido (sexual energy)" -wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosexual_development )
Sure, Freud wasn't right about everything he said, but this theory still still holds a lot of approval from scientists.
So yeah, your missing desire to masturbate or have sex is by definition a mental disorder. Not even trying to be rude here. Just saying how it is.
>>1931828
>missing desire to masturbate or have sex
It's not so much missing the desire as it is I just don't give a fuck about it. Just doesn't interest me
>>1924851
so...autistic bullshit?
i can come up with one too
except i get tired and stop PRETENDING
>>1931844
Right.
My point still stands.
>>1931859
k indeed
>>1931844
Nice digits there frendo
>>1931828
You are born with desires and needs, you're right there.
>It doesn't really matter whether one of those is a desire and the other is a need
You don't care then? That's a problem. Both are very different.
well, would you?
http://strawpoll.me/7110204
>>1931920
It does not matter in what you said earlier. Jesus, dude.
>>1931960
Taking a piss or a dump, eating and drinking, breathing, socializing. Those are all desires according to you.
>>1932036
>socializing
this is /trash/ we're talking about here lad
>>1931944
I can speak in behalf of everyone who is still in the process of making their tulpa and are unsure whether or not they're tulpa will be into that kind of thing.
So if turns out that they want to, sex my shit up senpai.
>>1932036
No. I never said that. Read my posts again. I always made a clear cut between the desire to have sex and the need to drink or eat.
The others, I did not even mention.
Aside from that, I wasn't explaining the difference between a need and a desire here. I was saying that people are born with certain things and a sex drive is one of those. Please stop nitpicking. Especially if you can't even get it right.
Three questions:
1.) If I try and make a tupper, but don't work on the m for a long time, is there presence gone or just diminished?
2.) Would it be easier to just create a servitor as a base and then implant the personality in their later?
3.)Isn't sex with a tupper just masturbating while imagining your having sex with them?
What's the difference between a "tulpa" and a "headmate"
>>1932200
But are they the same thing with different names? What's the difference?
>>1932160
1. diminished
2. easier or harder depending on you, everything is up to how you feel about it
3. yeh, but it feels nicer, and some people just impose it, which means (sometimes) hands-free sexing
>>1932167
tulpas aren't autistic tumblrina shit
also headmates are typically religion-based
typically destructive to the host's social life
typically not created, unlike most tulpas
typically used to get attention and reblogs from other shitty people, even if you don't actually have one
>>1932268
nice meme
>>1932272
thanks i copied it from you guys im glad your proud of me sempai
>>1932254
Thank you for comprehensively answering my question and not just throwing the "autism" word around
>>1932278
i expected only the best from you, anon
>>1932282
As far as I can tell the only difference is the stigma attached to the word; my tulpa uses the term "headmates" to refer to the other tulpas and myself (the host) and we've never been to tumblr/redit/whever that's apparently from. It's just faster than typing/saying "the other tulpas and/or host".
>>1932160
1. Yes. But probably mostly diminished.
2. I have no idea. Probably not. Personality is the tulpa. Everything else is just pretty to look at.
3. Yes and no. You can also orgasm from your tulpa fugging you without touching yourself at all. Either in wonderland or via imposition. Your tulpa can also rub you off by using your hand in possession. So all in all, more possibilities than you have with real people.
>>1930979
That wasn't me, I voted just now.
>tfw not alone
>>1932282
ur welcome anon
>>1932323
not really. the difference is primarily semantic, but it's typically used by the tumblr group, which is much different from the .info/reddit/4chan/8ch group.
i outlined the differences >>1932254. basically, tulpas are the opposite of that shit
you can use tulpas to refer to headmates and headmates to refer to tulpas tho, i'm notta copper
>>1932377
I wonder who the other boiposter is
>>1932326
>Yes and no. You can also orgasm from your tulpa fugging you without touching yourself at all. Either in wonderland or via imposition. Your tulpa can also rub you off by using your hand in possession. So all in all, more possibilities than you have with real people.
This is the best explanation I've seen for it. It's definitely not JUST masturbation, because of imposition and wonderland stuff. Also lucid dreams if you can manage it.
>>1932415
that'd be me, he's one of my tulpas but he's the only one who posts here so I voted for him since there wasn't a "both" option and I didn't want to be mistaken for being a tumblrina by saying "other".
>>1932432
I lel'd
>>1930833
I'm also interested in this:
http://strawpoll.me/7110588
>>1932612
>http://strawpoll.me/7110588
People tend to pick tulpas of the opposite genders. Most women I have met had male tulpas. Most males had female tulpas.
4chan is a sausage fest, so of course they have lots of female tulpas.
Guys, i'm not sure if I should continue with my tulpa. She is already complete, can visualize, talk, ect. But I randomly have visions now. It started with simple things, like trees near a river I live next to falling down, but it's been growing to more serious things. It has escalated to major headaches and severe nose bleeds. I had a vision containing one of my childhood friends aunts dying a few hours ago, followed by standing over a sink with blood draining from my nose. Not some little put a tissue in and it stops, it was like heavy rain for 30 minutes. I just now found out that she died.
What should I do about this? Just stop listening to her?
>>1932820
stop talking shit
>>1932834
I'm not talking out of my ass, dude. I don't know if i'm going insane or if there's some paranormal shit going on, whatever it is, I don't like it.
>>1932858
paranormal shit doesn't happen, and you aren't going insane. just see a docter like a person with an IQ higher than 4 would do.
>>1932820
If you're not making this up, just talk to her. Ask her if she can stop if she's the one doing them. If not, ask if there's anything she can do. If all else fails, visit a psychologist
>>1932820
Create a Jackie Chan tulpa.
This isn't /x/.
>>1932820
looks like we have a case
Tulpa being edgy
>>1933426
Even when its edgy its cute
>>1933426
My tulpa being edgy
>>1933790
wait a minute, that cube
Not quite sure about Tulpas, but I think my girlfriend has one, she shuts down and becomes someone else, I forget the name she gave "him" but the whole thing scares me.
>>1934012
thats multiple personality disorder or whatever, not tulpa.
>>1934036
She was probably raped. Women love getting raped. Or beaten by their parents or males. Or mentally abused by her "friends". At least she didn't yet have to raise a child on her own.
>>1934077
>Women love getting raped. Or beaten by their parents or males. Or mentally abused by her "friends"
>>1934077
you are a sad little monkey
>>1934077
>>1934077
wew lad
>>1934077
>>1934036
I don't know man, but it scares me to death, I just want her to be okay...
>>1934615
You should consider asking her more about it or ask her if she's comfortable going to a psychologist. They do house calls too. If you guys are close, then tell her to trust you. Multiple personality disorder can never be cured, but you can help her live with it. Be a good partner, anon
>>1934694
She goes to therapy, she's extremely suicidal and i don't want to lose her man
>want to make tulpa
>scared she'll get sick of my personality
What do?
>>1935104
The whole point of a tulpa is that it's someone that doesn't mind your personality. They can feel the things you feel, and so they understand you better than anyone else could. As long as you're enjoying yourself, she probably will too.
>>1935104
She is literally the best friend you could ever have. You two will have a great relationship if you just dedicate your time to her. Plus, most tulpa are encouraging, so she'll try to get you to improve yourself, too.
Tulpa, despite the initial weirdness of 'omg schizo' or whatever, are actually incredibly healthy for you (assuming you don't make a hugboxer).
>>1932612
You should have asked if Tup was a gender Host was romantically inclined towards.
>>1936171
http://strawpoll.me/7112296
>>1934077
Obvious bait.
What do you memers do to coax your incomplete tulpa out? It doesn't feel like progress unless I have the head pressure. Usually music does it for me, but I'm still curious what other people do.
Also I hear the pressure is supposed to go away eventually. Is that true? At what point?
if i ever made a tulpa i'd feel really encouraged to clean up my fucking room
probably a bad thing that this is the first thing i realized
What's considered tulpaforcing?
I know you aren't supposed to do it before bed, but I'd love to write down notes and come up with personality traits and designs in my tulpa's notebook. However, I'd hate for this to hurt her at such a young point in development.
>>1938535
>What's considered tulpaforcing?
Focusing any sort of meaningful attention on your tulpa.
>>1938585
So no writing in the notebook before bed?
>>1934077
now these are the memes I come to /trash/ for
>>1938035
I do a sort of mental reach for the feeling first, then just straight out ask "are you there?", usually she'll turn up. Thinking back really early, I'd just start talking to her without expecting a reply.
>>1938161
hypnosis worked better for me for cleaning up my room, my tulpa doesn't give a shit about the mess
>>1938780
i wouldn't say there's anything wrong with that, before and after sleep are pretty good times for me to talk with my tup. and don't be too concerned about hurting your tup - unless it's something that is designed to hurt them, any positive attention you give them will help out. and everyone has different methods that work best, experimentation shouldn't be looked down on.
>>1938833
But doesn't the websites and guides specifically say never to force before bed, because of how the subconscious brain works during sleep, and how it can seriously fuck up your tulpa's psyche?
>>1938989
Just make sure your tulpa knows that it isn't the characters in your dreams and you should be safe. Unless you're specifically intending to dream lucidly about you and your tup, in which case you should be able to bail before anything that you don't like happens.
I force before bed almost every night because it's the most time I get to myself during the day where I can exlcusively focus on her, and being half-asleep helps me slightly with the halluciantion aspects. Try not to believe the scare stories out there, most of them are written by memers or roleplayers.
>>1939035
>Just make sure your tulpa knows that it isn't the characters in your dreams and you should be safe.
Elaborate a bit anon?
>>1939192
just to prevent potential identity crises and because sometimes wacky shit goes on in dreams that you might not want them replicating
but really, forcing before sleep isn't a problem, if it's the only time you can actively force then just do it
Posting a few useful resources for memory and concentration:
https://librivox.org/memory-how-to-develop-train-and-use-it-by-william-walker-atkinson/
https://librivox.org/the-power-of-concentration-by-theron-q-dumont/
Making a tulpa largely involves these two faculties, and learning how to improve them will definitely help you in further developing your companion, as well as having more focused active forcing sessions.
The two above audiobooks have a LOT of useful information and exercises regarding their respective subjects, and I've found them very useful in my own practice, and developing a good mindset going forward.
Of special note is the law of association, which the two books speak of at length. Making meaningful associations linked to your tulpa will be VERY useful. Being able to be reminded of your partner by seeing a hair color that matches theirs, or being reminded of a personality quality they have by seeing it in another person or character, etc. Being reminded of your tulpa quickly and seamlessly is a very useful thing.
>>1939215
Thanks anon.
I just remember the story of the anon who tried to force a pinkie pie tulpa before bed. Scary shit.
But as long as I just remember to differentiate between her and the dreams, and let her know whats going on in the dreams isn't necessarily what's meant to be done, or even real, I'll be fine?
>>1939269
That's just a story lad. And yes, you'll be fine. There's virtually no way to fuck this thing up with the amount of guides out there now. Almost the only way to make a crazy tup is if you decide to make a crazy tup.
>>1939269
>>1939287
I was under the impression that the Pink Pie Doom Tup guy actually DID do that on purpose. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, though.
As for risks: Can't lie and say there's no possibility of running in to anything odd or unexpected. People tend not to know every little thing that's in their minds, after all. But, just keep a grasp of what's going on in your head, and what's going on outside, and to the fact that what you're dealing with is, indeed, yourself.
If you run in to a problem, or some kind of odd, dramatic turn of events, it may well be your mind's way of telling you something is off in your life, and needs to be addressed. Kind of like how dreams will sometimes get all symbolically relevant.
But I'm also of the mind that a tulpa will reflect its maker in some way, shape or form.
>>1939269
Man that shit is a meme at this point, forcing before bed is fine, from my experience the only trouble is you don't want to fall asleep while forcing because then you're cutting your forcing session short and not getting as much done.
>>1939269
Mine is very rarely in my dreams in person. However, if things start going tits up and looking like a nightmare, I'll realize it and something will come in to bail me out. I think tulpas are actually one of the methods of achieving lucid dreaming? That's kind of her style though.
>visualize your tulpa naked first or else they won't be able to change clothes
>don't force before bed or your dreams will effect your tulpa
>if you base your tulpa off an original character they will have an identity crisis later
>>1940125
Good to know you read the guide
>>1940125
>hour counts are literally satan and will ruin everything
>if you don't interact with your tulpa it will dissipate and you will be hitler
>>1938535
>I know you aren't supposed to do it before bed
This is a myth. Ignore it, force before bed.
>>1927753
She has the traits i had planned out for her but shes a lot more childish.
How many personality traits are too many when starting out? I see so many I'd like her to have, but I don't want to go overboard.
>>1940562
as many as you can easily remember is normally your best bet
>>1940562
Pick as many or little as you want. Do what feels right to you.
>>1940562
you can be ask vague or specific as you want. if you're worried about having too many, then list them all and then condense them into the 5-10 most important ones.
>>1940461
Well, you did base her form on a schoolgirl...
>>1940613
>schoolgirl
>with those hips
>>1940613
you mean skullgirl
>>1940125
>>visualize your tulpa naked first or else they won't be able to change clothes
Wait, is this seriously a thing? Because that's lewd.
>>1940669
its not 100% true, but it helps a lot
>>1940656
well, she's from Skullgirls, but she's not the skullgirl. She is a 16 year old highschooler tho.
>tulpa force for 2 hours
>incredibly mentally exhausted afterwards
I'm assuming this is good, yes?
>>1941035
>being mentally exhausted
>ever
>not forcing your tulpa constantly
>>1940562
Depends on how specific you want the personality to be or if you want them to develop some on their own. More traits = more control over the personality for you. Less traits = more ability to form their own over time.
>>1940669
It's helpful for visualization I guess, especially if you end up giving them the d (oh god I wish I had some of that meme, anyone else remember it). Besides it doesn't have to be lewd unless you're a pervert.
>>1941035
It gets better over time. Back when I started I had that issue too. It's like working out, when you start you won't be able to do it long but you build endurance over time.
>>1941035
It's like starting an exercise routine. You'll be exhausted at first, but the muscle (brain) will build, and eventually it'll be second nature.
>>1940745
One of mine is based on Revy from Black Lagoon. She chose this form because unfortunately her personality is a lot like hers. She's brash and mean, coarse and angry. I still love her though.
i think my tulpa might be jewish whenever I handle money they rub their hands together and grin
>>1941433
consider having an elite guard of troops to guard you and your sheckles
You need to understand that your brain is 100 % under your own power. There is nothing you cannot do when you sit down in meditation. Not a single thing. Don't let any of the silly people in these threads convince you otherwise, because the only thing that can limit your capability is your false belief that your capability is somehow limited - but such a belief is always false.
When you make a tulpa, what you're actually trying to do is make your brain behave in certain patterns, and to dissociate yourself from those patterns. That's entirely possible by the same mechanic as one dissociates from any regularly practiced task. The way to achieve this is through the repetition of these patterns until they become trained reactions to certain stimuli, while making sure that the previous reaction to such stimuli is not replaced by them.
This is why it's easy to make a tulpa that's entirely different from you; it'll react to stuff you don't, and it won't feel like you, because you're not used to reacting to that stuff. You can learn a lot from a tulpa like that.
That doesn't change the fact that the tulpa is still a part of your brain, and something over which you have total and absolute control if you want to. Remember this if you're considering making a post like:
"Help, my tulpa ran away after I thought about having sex with her what do I do? ;_;"
"I've been forcing and every time I do it this weird monster pops up and it's really scary and I lose concentration and my tulpa tries to fight it and [...]"
Such a post does nothing but out yourself as someone who isn't taking this seriously, isn't actually trying, and is probably just "making a tulpa" to get attention (whether you realise it or not). Also pay no mind to the people who try to propose "solutions" to these problems, because they're no better than you.
You are the master of your own brain.
Sincerely,
INMTRDBA(ASRHS)
>>1941592
>>1941644
This is the tulpa thread we are literally talking about mind fedoras.
>>1941592
> Guy on internet acts like he knows everything about an obscure subject
Kay.
Making a tulpa DOES require learning about your own mind, how it works, and your own drives, this is true. But trumped up chest beating like this does nothing to guide people in to that path.
>>1941687
the only fedora tulpa is that one who comes in here and posts 10 page essays
>>1941701
I generally try to discourage people from making tulpas.
>>1941710
Okie dokes.
>>1941526
couldnt i just make a hitler tulpa instead
>>1941764
that was along the lines of the joke
>>1941777
trips confirm make hitler tulpa and army of nazi servitors
>>1941717
Honestly, I think just not mentioning it is the best way to do so. It's odd and obscure enough that it'd be difficult to really spread it on mass without a lot of effort. After all, it's in the trash section for a reason.
But when people actually do get in, and are dedicated enough to actually manage to get results, the best thing I could do is encourage them to take time to search their self, and take it as an opportunity for self discovery, along with the enjoyment of companionship.
If there is one thing I would actively suggest against, it's getting in to knowing self-deceptive practices to try to speed up growth. It seems to end up badly in many cases.
>>1941840
Don't get me wrong, I don't actually care whether or not people make tulpas, I just think it's silly to do it on the false premises that are reiterated over and over.
Self-deception is what all the tulpa-guiders and hugboxers are doing, and what I'm pointing out here. "Researching for themselves" is just going to bring them to more of the same (just look at tulpa.info or this thread), since anyone who's been "tulpaforcing" for two months can be an expert at it. It's so easy to "just sit down and believe", "talk to it every day and just wait for a response", "keep thinking about it and it'll start thinking about you", etc. - and it's going to bring results, too, since humans are really good at believing dumb shit for no reason.
The issue is that people who read into it this way will see their minds as some kind of black box that contains tulpa making material that they're trying to blindly manipulate, and (if they actually stick with it, which they usually don't) it's going to bring them fear and uncertainty since they also keep reiterating the idea that their brain is some foreign force that they don't know how to utilise.
The thing that's actually keeping them from utilising their brain (for any purpose, including tuppers) is that exact idea, because the ONLY way to limit what you can do inside your own head, is by believing that you can't do things inside your own head. Which is why it makes no sense for the "community" to keep reiterating such ideas.
>>1941592
Upon further consideration, I understand what bothers me about this line of thought.
It's a weak and hollow exhortation to gaining mental strength. It's a thing that falls apart once you remove it from the exercise of making a tulpa.
For example:
- Have you ever tried to break a habit and found yourself going back to it without knowing?
- Have you found yourself on 4chan despite not even being aware of opening the web browser?
- Have you tried to break a porn habit and found yourself wrestling with something that really wants to watch porn?
These are just hypothetical examples, but I have a strong feeling that people's habit cannot be so easily broken by what is easily boiled down to "Just believe and it will be so~". And this big old comment is pretty much just that, and is thus largely useless to anyone other than those who like to feel puffed up and good about themselves.
Can one gain control of how their thoughts flow, and what subject they do it on? Yes. But it takes a good deal of time, work, and patience. It's not a magical light switch that you can turn on and off, so you can be in the high club of super cool dudes who never falter. The presumption that this is how it actually works b comments like this are daft at best, showing a lack of understanding. Control of one's self can be gained, and the pursuit of such is truly an honourable one, but this weak and flaccid "attention whore" whining will do nothing to push this as a goal or even an idea.
The business of making a tulpa is the business of thinking. If one goes in not knowing much about thinking, then they will neither know how to deal with problems when they arise, nor will they be stable as they go along. This is what I think more people should mention, but no one does.
can anyone suggest a good form for my tulpa?
from the tiny bits of conversation i've had wtih [spoiler]him[/spoiler] i've been able to gather that he likes to be active, not happy just sitting, and he hates the kind of shit /pol/ would usually find degenerate.
>>1942101
>/pol/
Trump tulpa
Make tulpaforcing great again
>>1942099
>- Have you ever tried to break a habit and found yourself going back to it without knowing?
>- Have you found yourself on 4chan despite not even being aware of opening the web browser?
A habit is a trained behaviour; an automation much like a tulpa is. They are rehearsed to such an extent that they're no longer a part of your awareness, but rather more a kind of default state of being. Such habits are most efficiently broken by paying attention to them, and it is very favourable indeed to have an awareness of your ability to control them if you want to achieve that.
>- Have you tried to break a porn habit and found yourself wrestling with something that really wants to watch porn?
Again much like tulpas, instincts can be viewed as agents within our brains. They appear to have goals that they try to achieve through us, but our minds and actions are still under our control, as are (many of) the agents, as long as we realise that they are. The key obstacle all too often remains as the idea that one is not in control when one is, because that allows you to place blame on "someone else". It's so much easier to say:
"I don't really wanna have a wank, but my sex drive is out of control!"
than
"I don't really wanna have a wank, but I am out of control!"
>I have a strong feeling that people's habit cannot be so easily broken by what is easily boiled down to "Just believe and it will be so~".
That is exactly what I'm making a point against. Pure faith can get you places inside your head. Lots of people make tulpas that way, (including me, way back). But realising the level of your own control over your brain will bring you places that you are more likely to benefit from, and if you reach this realisation before trying to make a tulpa, you will have a much easier time since it's the difference between asking god and being god.
>The business of making a tulpa is the business of thinking [...]
Well said.
>>1942101
google some nice rule34 and find something good
>>1942322
The dubs will it.
>>1941592
>>1942095
>>1942511
>>1942099
Has your tulpa ever masturbated for/to you?
>>1942775
yes.
>>1942775
Yes
>>1942511
> A habit is a trained behaviour; an automation much like a tulpa is. They are rehearsed to such an extent that they're no longer a part of your awareness, but rather more a kind of default state of being. Such habits are most efficiently broken by paying attention to them, and it is very favourable indeed to have an awareness of your ability to control them if you want to achieve that.
Paying attention to them isn't enough. It can put you in a good mindset about dealing with them, but just realizing that a habit is a habit won't take you all the way to breaking it. At most I'd say it's the preparation step for the actual work of breaking the habit.
I'll put myself out there and say that in my experience of trying to break habits, there was always a concerted effort needed to face it down. May it be something small like learning how to decrease unnecessary movements, or something larger like being more conscious and careful of my speech, just having a mindset to do it is not enough. It's good to have, but without the muscle and development of will, it's no different than saying "just believe".
That's my issue of much of what you say here. You speak largely of the mindset, but without any other element of what actually goes in to gaining self-control. I had a similar mindset when starting out, that everything was in my control, and I had nothing to worry about. But, like here, it was incomplete, and lacked to true strength of will, the experience, and the ability of observation that I have now. As such, when things did go awry, my confidence fell apart, and it took some time of self reflection, among other things, to build a true, solid base.
To just say "You're in control", and nothing else is, to me, as much of a disservice as saying "everything you hear is your tulpa". That fact that you're trying to combat the latter with a mindset that's so similar doesn't seem right at all.
>>1942771
I'll gladly tighten my fedora and consider any counter-points you might have.
>>1941592
>>1941840
>>1942095
>>1942099
>>1942844
>>1942844
>>1942511
>>1942099
>>1942095
>>1941840
>>1941592
>mfw
>>1943006
>your walls of text, even though they are related to tulpa, are too much for even snakposter
its time to stop
>>1943006
>mfw
>>1943039
>mfw
>>1943054
>mfw
>>1943098
>mfw
>>1943098
>>1943111
>mfw
>>1942844
I agree.
I am intentionally not going into detail, because I'm not trying to teach anything more than the preparation step as you so aptly call it. I'm just pointing out why it's worth taking, while having a laugh and poking thorns into the sides of people who I don't take seriously.
I do advocate the mindset I'm preaching though, because it's the one thing I learned while making a tulpa the retarded way, and it's the most universally useful thing to come out of it. There's a very strong distinction between "having a mindset" of everything being in your control, and "knowing" that that is the case. If your sense of control of your own brain is easily shaken, then you're questioning your authority over your own behaviour, and that's extremely detrimental to anything you're trying to achieve since your behaviour (this includes all kinds of thought) is the ONLY thing which you truly have control over.
The difference between this and "everything you hear is your tulpa", is that this actually applies. There are thoughts that are not your tulpa; there aren't thoughts which you do not have the potential to control. You just need to realise that fact.
>>1943111
>mfw
>>1943118
>>1943006
The man, the myth, the legend. He returns!
>>1943218
>>1943249
>mfw
>Leave for 2 hours
>Come back
>Snackposting and walls of text
>MFW
>>1943293
>mfw
>>1943317
>>1943356
>mfw
what do i do if my tulpa is a nigger
>>1943415
You get cuk'd or some shit. Insert the meme of your choice here, faggot.
>>1943427
should i make a kkk tulpa
>>1943317
>>1943391
>>1943509
>mfw
>>1943537
>>1943561
>mfw
>>1943678
>mfw
>>1943746
Look, you don't have to be some 20th level monk to make a solid tulpa. It just takes time, repetition, and being honest about yourself. You don't have to be the best person or some wizard to make a tulpa, or get good results. A lot of you are here because you have some home in your lives. Spend time, figure out what it is, and when you make your tulpa, don't make a bland fuckbot, but make one that knows what your problems are, and that your aren't trying to use to hide from other shit in your life, and it'll work out fine.
>>1943920
>mfw
>>1944399
>mfw
fuck
the thread's gone to shit
Relevant question: How early in creation did you start to feel head pressure?
>>1944730
>mfw
Question. Have you ever had your tulpa do something that really shocked you in either a negative or positive way? My middle tulpa just surprised me by visiting me after being gone for months. This is she.
>>1944852
I started feeling the pressure after about a month or so.
>>1944858
>Korra
Well, it's not out of character to disappear for months and then suddenly come back, now is it?
>>1944858
yeah. Generally, my tulpa tries to make sure I don't overreact to situations, but in situations where she feels like someone is using their power over me, she loses her shit and tries to get me to fight back harder. That's actually worked out for the best though, even though I certainly didn't expect it the first time.
>>1944966
I actually just realized that. Her reasons were leaving were really good. She's really stubborn too, much like her formsake. The thing that gets me is that she was gone for so long... Is this normal?
>>1945030
>The thing that gets me is that she was gone for so long... Is this normal?
I honestly don't know. My tulpa has never left me like that because he promised he wouldn't, but I've heard stories about a lot of other people's tulpas disappearing for days to weeks to months at a time.
>>1944730
>mfw I only love America... And my tulpa
Why aren't any of you making a Hulk Hogan tulpa?
