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>>5623489
News:
>Titan Wars is coming soon
>Leader Blaster and Powermaster Prime announced for May
>Legends Wheelie, Rewind, Stripes coming out around the same time
>Victorion boxsets have been sighted
YOTH Soundwave just went 55% off at Canadian TRUs. A mold so nice I bought it thrice! (Actually I bought it four times but fuck if i'm opening the Hasbro one)
He's definitely lighter than his mold mates. Not sure if it's the clear plastic, but the plastic quality feels almost bootleg compared to the others. Also the build quality is noticeably worse. The others have tight joints, while some of his are loose--but not floppy. The thing that bothers me the most is that his shoulder canon is cast in the orange plastic that is seen on the forearms and shins while his blaster is cast in the clear plastic. It's a minor nitpick at best, but in cassette deck mode it's noticeable enough for me to not want to look at him from the back.
Time for the positives;
If you're into cool g2-esque wacky 90s colors, he's just random enough to be right down your alley, though he doesn't actually reference any g2/90s Soundwave figure in particular.
For transforming into a box, the change is the same old solid MP Soundwave transformation you know and love.
The shining star of the box set (in my opinion) are the cassettes. The only other way to get them was to order the 2 Takara sets, which is expensive or to have got the Hasbro Soundwave upon release because let's be realistic, you're definitely not paying $230 for something that retailed for $140. They're a nice stand-in for the solid colored cassettes if you don't already have them and a nice alternate colorswap if you do. I'd say the accessories make up about half of this set's value, so if you're comfortable with paying $80 for 5 cool cassettes and a sub-par Soundwave, feel free to pull the trigger.
If you're still looking for a MP Soundwave, save your money for one of the true blue releases. Even at 55% off, I only bought it because Soundwave is my favorite Transformer. If you're looking for cool ghost-cassettes, i'd pull the trigger and see what money you can get back from Soundwave on eBay or something.
It's hilarious how Takara is doing all the BW celebration while Hasbro is doing jack shit even though BW started in the west.
What the fuck is going on with the Mini-Con guys in RiD?
Like In the show Crazybolt works with a torpedo guy, while his toy is for cyclones, or how Undertone in the show is a blade type while his toy is a cyclone type, or how only a few look anything like they do in product art?
Just how big is the disconnect between the guys working at different parts?
>>5626512
>One MP and convention exclusive re-issues with tweaked color schemes
>>5626513
This is gonna be in every thread for the rest of Titan Wars, isn't it.
>>5626512
They also didn't get BW until 97. You'd think a BW Megatron toy that sold out in 3 days and goes for $600 on eBay would tell Hasbro something.
Anyway, I think Takara has a lot of fond memories of BW; a lot of the designers that still work there started working for Takara around that time and it was the first TF design a lot of them did. Takara's always recognized BW more than Hasbro. And Japanese fans seem to enjoy various eras more than American fans.
>>5626512
Yeah, the current designers are more F1 fans than they are BW. The focus became Headmasters and the Movie instead of Beast Wars.
I hope we eventually get some Beast-related Platinum sets or something.
Any good train transformers for non-rape prices? Trains are cool.
>>5626519
We're going to slowly drown in cuck rods, autismos and Wasted Molds.
And we will have deserved it.
>>5626526
Save us Dr. Legbeat.
JESUS
WEPT
>>5626545
TRANSformers GENERations
Seems legit
>>5626507
I don't remember his retail price up here in Canada. Is 55% still like $125?
I fucking love cassettes, and would dare to double-dip if the price was right. I guess I could consider them MP Linkin Park Soundwave.
>>5626513
>>5626562
>Tube man
>Looks fucking sick
>>5626512
To be fair, Hasbro knows people import MPs from Japan and this year's Botcon was BW themed.
I still think they dropped the ball by literally not having ONE SINGLE PRODUCT to acknowledge it. Put out a two-pack of the Cybertron beast Optimus and Megatron, at the very least.
It will be a bit late, but once we have the Mindwipe and Skullcruncher molds, we could use those bodies along with Sentinel Prime and Galvatron's headmasters to make a bat and alligator BW set.
The other thing that might be happening is that maybe phase 3 of the Prime Wars thing is beast-focused. I kinda doubt it, given how G1 the current team is, but it could be in the works.
>>5626562
>pissbaby
Back to Allspark with you.
>>5626562
and the good news is Takara version is gonna be better
>>5626567
Just make G1 animal guys like the Dinobots, Predacons, Terrorcons, Seacons, Pretender beasts, etc and then do redecos based on Beast Wars guys.
>>5626555
Well yeah, they have to shorten the name for the tag and all. This was at Toys R Us.
>>5626568
>>5626533
pls
>>5626571
Who would doubt Faiz?
>>5626568
>>5626581
>wheelie isn't rhyming
Lame
>>5626581
>doesn't rhyme
0/10
>>5626596
>>5626617
>>5626562
Alpha Trion and Astrotrain are wasted slots for Voyager Triplechangers in a Headmasters line when Apeface and Snapdragon only get heads. Scourge is a waste of a Deluxe slot when only Horribull and Squeezeplay only get heads. The right opportunity to do Headmaster characters in a Headmaster line and they only go 10% of the way. Fuck off little bitch.
>>5626636
As someone born long after G1 ended, I'd much rather have Alpha Trion and Sentinel Prime because they look way cooler than those generic headmaster losers. Some of the most forgettable TF designs ever. Also I'd rather have a line without the damn gimmick anyway.
>>5626513
I'm going to be severely assmad if this headmaster line with voyager triple changers ends without a snapdragon and apeface.
>>5626639
>Triplechangers of a robot, animal and vehicle
>generic
Try harder.
>>5626636
>>5626562
Opinions, also, it's humourous how angry you are.
>>5626644
Yeah their gimmick may be unique, but visually they're totally generic. They're just blocks, and not in a charming way like the earlier G1 designs, more like they put no effort into his design. His ape mode barely feels like a beast , more like a stack of boxes rearranged differently, and his jet mode is that "Cybertronian/futuristic" style late G1 used to excuse lame vehicle modes. Its so nondescript. in all modes.
>>5626651
So you'd rather we recycle the same 84/45/86 ad infinitum? Also if the other updated OG headmasters are anything to go by, I'm sure they'd update them a bit.
>>5626651
Which is a perfect reason to update them with modern engineering which would make them more visually interesting and potentially fun toys.
But no, I guess an Alpha Trion as a lion for no reason and an Astrotrain with the worst train mode in Transformers history take precedence.
>>5626653
If only the two are options, yes. Generic vague is worse than ones that have at least something interesting visually.
>>5626653
I think I'm missing when we got a new mold Alpha Trion and G1 Sentinel Prime before. You tell me.
To be honest this far in the game in collecting I'm in it more for interesting and cool designs than unique characters. I'll buy a dozen of the same character so long as they do something interesting with the new design. People bemoan the 84/85 cars in CW, but Prowl was one of my favorites in that line.
>>5626655
>Alpha Trion
Bu-but it's his first figure ever! it doesn't matter it looks nothing like him!
>>5626659
this literal trainwreck is "visually interesting"
That's enough internet for tonight.
>>5626662
Then suck it all up then, I guess.
>>5626655
An Alpha Trion that manages to do two alt modes that look completely unique and actually interesting at a glance and an Astrotrain that actually looks show accurate are more desirable to me than two Literally Whos that barely even appeared in the final episodes of the show and could easily be interchangeable with more well-known characters.
>>5626664
Its more interesting than a stack of bricks pretending to be an ape. This design team already sucks at doing beast modes, this would be a wreck.
>>5626664
Because they fucked up. The original and Classics ones have great looking train modes.
>>5626674
>>5626676
Stop reaching so hard. Alpha Trion and Astrotrain already had figures. And your argument for looking completely unique and interesting could just as equally be applied to new figures of the Horrorcons.
You're just not getting it. A new Apeface wouldn't be a stack of bricks pretending to be an ape.
>>5626674
>Show accurate
Uh, time to get glasses, gramps.
>>5626682
>Alpha Trion
Name one that wasn't a convention exclusive.
>>5626663
It doesn't matter because the cartoon design was just some crap Floro dery drew up in 5 minutes, and doesn't deserve to get an actual toy. The TF team totally saved it by making it a much cooler design. Its probably one of the most interesting things coming out this year; to me at least. It reminds me of something we'd get during Cybertron; you know, cool for the sake of cool.
>>5626664
>literal trainwreck
Hah!
>>5626676
Munky and ship?
Sounds like he would share a mold with Optimus Primal.
>>5626688
Can I ask, where did you get the cool-aid? cause you seem to have drunk that shit by a barrels worth.
Space wizard AT is much cooler than out of character Lion warrior/aircraft carrier AT
>>5626676
Does this dude have different stats if you put the gorilla head on the robot mode, or does that not work?
Never had this guy.
>>5626682
Astrotrain had a figure but that figure was also shit as Astrotrain.
Also Alpha Trion's only had exclusives and one licensed third party that didn't actually turn into anything.
>>5626683
>No chest wings like the original toy
>Huge shuttle wings jutting off the back
>Dome helmet with little to no extraneous detail aside from a yellow stripe
>Otherwise looks mostly like a blocky robot that you wouldn't even think turns into anything, let alone two things
>Legends version will have the usual dark grey and purple coloration
>>5626513
I want to find whoever wanted Blurr to suffer being another remold even though Brainstorm already got a new toy 2 years ago,and bash his fucking brains out. I want to slam a fucking Fort Max over his head repeatedly until he's bleeding and the fort max shatters like it would in a drop test, then take the splintered plastic and shove it in his eyes, just jam it deep in until they hit hit fucking brain; and while he's spasming in pain I'l take a large, thin splinter and shove it in his urethra. I will curbstomp him until he begs for sweet release but I will not grant him that.
>>5626701
I drank the "cool-aid" by not being born in the 80's I guess. Take away the Autobot symbol and Alpha Trion could've walked right out of Silverhawks or she-ra or some other 80's toon. TR AT actually looks like a Transformer. Again, he looks like something I'd have seen in the TF Cybertron line, which is really cool to me.
>>5626707
OG Blurr is shit. Animated Blurr is like a thousand times cooler.
>>5626545
>TRANS GENER
HER NAME IS CAITLYN
You can debate if a slot is wasted or not all you like, it's what's happening, so it's not like anyone is achieving anything.
>>5626717
>OG Blurr is shit.
Flaseflagger please leave.
TFA Blurr is better than G1 Blurr but it's analogous to saying platinum is better than gold. That doesn't mean that gold is worthless.
>>5626726
Let's go further with that though.
Gold looks cool, but that's all it really does.
It's a shitty and weak metal that to the average consumer has had only the positive effect of introducing something that looked cool, but we all cling to having the original anyway because old people valued it too much.
I pulled out my DOTM Bumblebee today, and I was surprised to see that the Streetwise mold is still around the same size.
Have Deluxe sizes remained consistent since the DOTM downsize?
>>5626714
I wasn't born in the eighties either, I'd just rather have proper updates to these dudes than half halfassed ones.
Unlimited Blurr Works when?
>>5626733
CW deluxes are about the same size as more recent deluxes, but apparently Titans Return is looking to size them up just a bit to make sure the titanmasters aren't disporportionate. Same with the Voyagers, but leader classes are staying mostly the same.
>>5626734
Except this doesn't seem halfassed at all. It'd be halfassed to just do the G1 cartoon and give him a shellforming alt-mode. this is an actual update in that it takes his design,tweeks it, and modernizes it; something that classics did in the first place until G1 fever made people demand things not be actual updates at all.
>>5626743
well, we simply have different views on what's halfassed, and mine is that it is, so that's that.
>>5626743
>Repaint of a Vector Prime to keep trademarks
>Not lazy
>>5626706
>those toys don't count for reasons™
>>5626756
Why would Vector Prime be the retool when Alpha Trion has actually been a lion?
>>5626764
When has Alpha Trion been a Lion?
Too many old farts in the line. Sentinel Prime, Galvatron, and Alpha Trion?
>>5626766
>>5626761
Astrotrain's counts if you want a wimpy bullet train and a deluxe-sized svelt bot instead of the roided out tank on rails the new one is.
AT's don't count because they aren't widely available or aren't actually transformers.
Same reasons people kept rallying for a new Scorponok during the titan class ballot; Because his only new figure was a botcon exclusive that wasn't big enough to really feel like G1 Scorponok to them.
>>5626775
You know that toy never happened, right?
>>5626778
They existed. Whatever reasons you have for not wanting to count them are completely irrelevant. The Horrocons have had absolutely zero toys since their originals. And the Scorponok comparison doesn't fit because there's not many characters that actually deserve that size of a toy so Scorponok wouldn't be taking the slot away from many other equally deserving characters.
>>5626740
IamtheblueofmyhuePVCismybodyandpaintismybloodIhavecreatedoverathousandBlurrsUnknowntoHasbroNorknowntoTakaraHavewithstoodpaintocreatemanyfiguresYetthoseshelveswillneverholdanythingSoasIprayunlimitedBlurrworks.
>>5626778
Every Scorponok is samefag.
Stand up on the belly, claw hands, and huge tail.
>>5626779
>that toy doesn't count for reasons™
>>5626779
One of the Pirates vs Knights souvineers was a Thundertron redeco based on Alpha Trion.
But apparently at the last second they made it Beast Machines Cheetor in the far future for whatever fucking reason.
Wait a second:
>Scourge is a coffin with a cape
>Mindwipe is a bat with superpowers
If you averaged them out, you would have a vampire
>>5626793
The toy doesn't count because it never existed, therefore never official. And the comic that panel is from isn't canon either. Hasbro just felt like giving a nod to this thing that almost happened, which I guess they think is more important than being faithful to the character that actually did exist.
>>5626800
If we are going by the G1 Cartoon, Alpha Trion is a blank slate as far as altmode, so how is that a lack of faith?
>>5626786
They existed but were shit or not widely available.
And the Scorponok comparison DOES fit, for both of them in fact, because one of the things people keep complaining about when it comes to the triple changers is that they should be larger than everyone else.
That is like the most consistent point I keep seeing whenever someone talks about them.
Not only that, Alpha Trion is considered an important character by a lot of people since he's prime's mentor, so having a big character not have any decent toys is pretty shitty too.
>>5626802
How come the tiny dudes were not robot/vehicle with SD proportions?
The original tiny headmasters were pretty simple already.
>>5626800
>more important than being faithful to the character that actually did exist.
You mean a character that less people remember than alpha trion and would sit harder on the shelves?
>>5626674
I'd like an Alpha Trion and Astrotrain as well as Apeface and Snapdragon, but these are just fucking horrible. I think no matter what character they did they would have fucked it up this badly, so it hardly matters which one, other than making it less likely for them to do another version of them any time soon.
I honestly prefer my BotCon Alpha Trion to this.
>>5626676
They both look like piles of stuff. That they failed to do any better 30 years later is really pathetic.
>>5626778
You're taking your opinion and treating it like objective reality.
Exclusives are rarely difficult to obtain. There are over 2,000 BotCon Scorponoks, and 1,400 Alpha Trions. Alpha Trion's market price may be high, but Scorponok's isn't.
>>5626800
The comic is canon, but it's still a tiny corner of the character. The fact that it's the ONLY alt mode he's ever shown to have doesn't change the fact that in the bigger picture it's not very significant.
Anyway, keep being insistent on narrow perspectives. I just realized today that I'm retarded, but slightly less retarded than you guys, so maybe there's still hope for me.
>>5626664
I can dig this one because it reminds me of Metal Slug bosses.
As for looking like an actual train though, it does a pretty poor job.
>>5626854
>Anyway, keep being insistent on narrow perspectives.
You started off with calling all this garbage and no better than 30 years ago.
>>5626861
Eh. I'll just pretend it's a space train. Not like his shuttle mode looks that much like an earth shuttle. Looks more like something from Power Rangers In Space.
>>5626864
this.
Yeah its distinctively astrotrain but the generations toys only homage g1 characters, not reprise their roles with accuracy.
We got the mp line to fill that gap
>>5626861
>I can dig this one because it reminds me of Metal Slug bosses.
Should check out MMC's Commotus if you like Metal Slug. He turns into the Metal Slug.
Anyway, I like the looks of both TR Astro and Alpha. Going to be getting both.
>>5626804
Aw man, you mean SD bodies for the Titan Master packs? That would be great.
>>5626896
>>5626863
Because my perspective isn't narrow. I guess there's still a lot of the same loaded language where I express opinion as fact and generalize, but then I already admitted I'm retarded, just more well-informed, and somewhat willing to change perspective.
When someone says convention toys don't count because they're not widely accessible, it's because they'd prefer it not to be that way.
I didn't say Alpha Trion's lion mode "doesn't count", I just said that it's less significant. If we want G1 Alpha Trion, he's a different form from the one that turns into a lion anyway. I mean that's kind of obvious. I don't even have a problem with him having a lion mode. (I have a problem with a less-inexperienced design team attempting the challenging task of doing a triple-changer which necessitates compromise, on a character that doesn't need it, so that we get an inferior result.)
>>5626804
>>5626896
SD headmasters would be pretty rad
but knowing hasbro it'll probably looked like funko
>>5626918
>. If we want G1 Alpha Trion, he's a different form from the one that turns into a lion anyway.
How do you know? He never transformed in the cartoon. Any other alternate mode would be just as insignificant. If you gave him a car or aircraft alt-mode you're still making something up.
>>5626525
Only Astrotrain. Trainbots are a huge gap in the market they're not filling. All I want in a Transformer is a nice American diesel workhorse, but no such mold exists. Literally no excuse for that shit.
>>5626935
CW Raiden when?
>>5626773
they're all millions of years old, I mean EVERY transformer apart from the g1 dinobots which were made practically yesterday.
>>5626930
Because I have eyes.
It's theoretically possible to have a robot mode that looks like the G1 cartoon and still have a lion alt mode, but TR isn't that, so it is different. I mean clearly it's meant to be him, but it's a huge redesign, not even on par with the difference between original and TR Powermaster Prime.
>>5626545
>>5626718
>>5626507
YOTH soundwave looks like soundwave's spark and rusted parts before he was rebuilt into soundblaster
>>5626679
It's supposed to be cybertronian, and was probably made with Energon Omega Supreme in mind.
>>5626972
never thought of that, good point!
if someone can paint his gold parts white, or remove all the gold paint (if theres clear plastic undeneath) he would looks sick
>>5626938
Takara could conceivably make one, but I can't see it happening.
>>5626974
You know. I've had that for a few years now and I only recently found out that the battleship seat thing can be shifted to the middle.
>>5626926
A lot of people, especially in the West, can't into SD properly. They think it just involves shrinking the body and leaving the head the same size, which is why the results are kind of ugly like the Battle Tactics app. Or they get all the theoretical bits correct but can't make the parts work together, ending up like pic related.
It would be difficult to make an okay-looking SD body for headmasters that are also meant to work on full size bodies, and have it look coherent. Unless you forego the typical SD concepts, in which case fuck it let's be uggo.
>>5626950
>I mean clearly it's meant to be him
Is it though? if you take away the head and the colours, what about it is Alpha Trion?
>>5626994
You could say that about a lot of 'bots. Remove the color schemes and faces and a lot of them are just generic box-bots.
>>5626992
>A lot of people, especially in the West, can't into SD properly
Finally someone gets it!
what i dont like are people who want non-SDs of SD toys. there's alot of people who want Mastermade Metroplex but with a smaller head, not realizing that his body itself is sculpted to be stubby and cute, so a small head would look off
>>5626513
What we're getting is what we're getting and NO amount of tantrums in the world is going to change it.
So suck it up. Or get out of the hobby. I have absolutely no sympathy for you.
>>5626622
I wish someone would waste these crybabies.
>>5626990
It's ok. It took me over five years to realize Alternators Hound had wrist swivels, and he was my favorite of that line at the time.
>>5626676
Thank you for reminding me exactly why I divorced myself from the fandom.
>>5626707
I wish I could laugh long and hard in your face. And lick your fat greasy tears. You getting so bent out of shape over a toy amuses me greatly.
Actual children are more mature about Transformers.
>>5627016
It's always fun when you discover articulation you never knew was there, or gimmicks you had no idea the toy had.
-I had no idea Drifts long sword back handle could be moved until I got Blurr.
-No idea Gen. Cyclonus could attach Nightstick like the Japanese Targetmasters
-Noticed after a week that Gen. Scoop's Targetmasters have an alternate combined mode not mentioned in the instructions, and it's very stable compared to the official one.
>>5627026
>And lick your fat greasy tears
Ew.
>>5626756
They put more effort into it than you did. And even gearing the paint masks and mixing the plastic for a redeco takes more time and effort than you sitting there making a few keystrokes crying about something you are under no obligation to buy.
>>5627031
What's the alternate combined mode for scoops buddies?
>>5627046
Pics not loading from my phone. Basically, one in regular gun mode, while you place the other in the opposite direction, making sure the one in gun modes fists can fit into the others foot holes. After that's done, combine them.
>>5626994
The helmet and collar alone on the body are meant to look like the original, not just the headmaster, so yes, at least in superficial ways.
I dunno, maybe not. Maybe it's more like an homage similarity.
>>5627010
or maybe it will have a small influence, but only on products no sooner than a year from now, or only in the longer run, or only towards collector lines like Masterpiece.
and maybe you can express disapproval and not have to subscribe to extreme binaries of being a consumer whore and brand apologist or an angry person who opts out of everything and won't participate with other fans.
>>5627036
No one outside of the industry can do what they do. We don't have access to mold sprue layouts to make plans on recolor options.
>>5626756
BotCon 2007 Alpha Trion doesn't extend Vector Prime's trademark because he's not named Vector Prime.
>>5627053
Interesting. Thanks.
>>5627053
How is that a combined mode? That's a stretch for something that isn't there.
>>5627058
I'll try and upload it tomorrow, but yeah, this was apparently how they're suppose to combine. Why the instructions give out a combination that's less stable I'll never know.
>>5627061
So you're describing it like the barrels are facing the opposite direction?
>>5627054
>No one outside of the industry can do what they do. We don't have access to mold sprue layouts to make plans on recolor options.
The plethora of 3rd Party products and 3D printers demonstrate that you CAN make your own stuff. And better than Hasbro.
So that excuse doesnt fly, you entitled faggot
>>5627053
>Pics not loading from my phone
1.Transfer to sd card
2.insert into pc
3.?
4.profit
>>5627059
hasbrofag pls
>>5627080
Looks neat.
I actually ordered a Scoop a couple of days ago so I'll try it out soon.
>>5626562
>being this much of a Hasbro Defense Force supporter
Watch your sodium chloride intake.
>>5626704
The gorilla head is the back of the robot head.
>>5626648
>at least now theyre living upto the term nobody
Fucking SAVAGE. I'm excited for a new Flywheels toys, but I really hope all these no-body dudes don't look like different guys to their heads in robot mods.
This guy is pretty goddamn brutal.
I never owned the original Armada Megs, but I assume the details are accurate enough to the 2003 toy because there's a lot more paint application on this figure than I've come to expect of Transformers.
And look at that gnarly face, complete with the first instance of light piping I've seen in a good while. It could burn a hole through steel
Word of caution though if you're going to mini-con this guy up: Pegs, not ports.
I tried to give him Bulkhead fists and he came away with stress marks. Small ones granted, but I ain't doing it again!
>>5626773
Yeah, but the current IDW comics make Galvatron being an "old fart" fucking awesome.
>>5626935
>a nice American diesel workhorse
Shit, I was sure there were a couple of Micromasters like this, but it turns out they're electric and Japanese
>>5626576
I would.
>>5626562
I admit I'm old enough that years seem to blur together, but don't we get remakes of the G1 movie characters all the fucking time? Why is it so vital that they get Titan Master toys?
>>5627245
"We would rather do Scourge and Blurr again than give fans what they want like Squeezeplay and Horri-bull for example."
- John Warden, Botcon 2016
new quake when
>>5627252
As soon as we find a way to make an 84-85 guy out of him. And take away his defining gimmick of course.
>>5626664
Kinda looks like Energon Omega Supreme.
>>5626664
>little earth diesel cab at the front
>becomes a giant clusterfuck battleship
it's adorable
>>5626664
I think they thought it was fine when they saw these.
>>5627269
That was the best GI Joe vehicle ever.
>>5626793
not existing is a pretty good reason
>>5627263
Can't unsee. Just look at that little fucker.
>>5627252
I heard they were gonna retool Hardhead into Quake. Also Krok from Skullcruncher.
>>5627275
no
>>5627279
it homages his IDW earth mode with that front half alone, hasbro done their job
Seriously why the fuck isn't Hasbro making action fleet style GI Joe guys that will fit in the titanmaster vehicles? Joe needs a relaunch badly, and this is the perfect time to integrate the two brands.
>>5627285
"We kept GI Joe on life support so we could line our pockets with a few extra bucks from that Savage idiot."
- Brian Goldner, 2016 teleconference
>>5627227
>Pegs, not ports.
Do you mean that Mini-Cons should just attach to him via the Powerlinx pegs, rather than the 5mm holes?
>>5627297
I just wouldn't risk shoving anything in his 5mm ports besides the guns he comes with.
>>5626861
same. it actually reminds me of the train stage in Contra Shattered Soldier, right down to the turrets
>>5626651
>his ape mode barely feels like a beast
It isn't supposed to. He's a robo-ape. Robo beasts (see: original Predacons and Dinobots) are far, FAR more interesting a concept than a 'bot that "looks as close to an animal as you can get."
If you want a more beast type mode, wait for the upcoming MP-32. Or buy those cheap plastic lions/giraffes/horses from Target/TrU or something.
>They're totally generic
No, realistic animal toys are generic. Robo-animals are interesting.
But then again, I suppose I'm one of the few that still likes my transforming robots to still look like robots in any mode.
>>5627252
>new quake when
Considering every store still cant get rid of Scoop... perhaps never?
>>5627340
You guys stull have Scoop? All we have are Rattraps.
>>5627337
While his arm articulation is limited by the cannon, I wouldn't say that his robot mode 'suffered'. Didn't own the original toy so can't compare, but he's tall, hefty, detailed (he even has a sculpted spark casing underneath his chestplate) and decently poseable in three of his four limbs. Megs can even tilt his head, so he can sneer down at his enemies or his pitiful Mini-con slaves.
It is a shame his antlers don't stick out, but you can see them underneath the tank mode from the front and they do look about ready to eat up any poor soul he drives over.
>>5627343
>All we have are Rattraps.
>and people have the audacity to want more beasts
Such nerve and entitlement.
>>5627355
Of course I want more beasts. They're cool. I'm excited for the deluxe Headmaster Decepticons.
But we also have Rattraps among the Combaticons on our shelves.
>>5627339
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I love the Horrocons and have no nostalgia towards the figures at all. I just think they look really cool in all modes.
Guess that's why I'm really excited about Alpha Trion.
What would takara do with the TR alpha trion mold?
Would we get another lio convoy or can they retool that fugly lion mode into something else that would compliment the space cruiser mode?
I want to like alpha trion da lion but it's like he's been on the roids, pic related
>>5627363
They'd put more effort into it than Hasbro did, that's for sure. Oh, wait
>no Headmaster Jr. bodies ever
Never mind.
>>5627361
I'm glad you share the same sentiments as I concerning the Horrorcons, but I am going to disagree with you on the Alpha Trion hype.
I personally don't think a lion suits him at all. I've always seen him as a Scourge retool, honestly.
>pic related, his planned alt mode at one point
>>5627367
>tfw we won't get glorious Unite Warriors/Titans Return hybrid Brainmasters
kill me
>>5627363
Well the lion part is really just the head/shoulder pads which could be replaced with a different animal head pretty easily, I would think. Like a wolf or a tiger or something.
>>5627249
So it's either make toys that have a higher chance of selling because the characters are more well known or make squeezeplay and Horri-bull that have a much higher chance of collecting dust because they're nobodies.
>>5627374
...just make some IDW comics to make them relevant again
>>5627374
"We would rather have endless Bumblebees and AoE shelfwarmers years after the film came out in stores than slightly-more obscure characters"
- John Warden, Botcon 2016
>>5627378
The movie line isn't part of the CHUG lines. I get what you're trying to say, but you're not making any valid points. You're looking at it from the perspective of the characters you want and not from the reality of what they think will sell more.
>>5627376
Horri-bull is dead in IDW. Having said that, the fact that he's dead comes up as a plot-point more often than most dead guys.
He got his head exploded by a microchip inside it, after the war. Making his toy just a head when his head was exploded is pretty lulz. Similarly Flywheels was killed by being jammed head-first into Tesarus' tummy-grinder, because his tank-tread feet made it impossible to do the other way, which was how he normally did it. Squeezeplay has turned up fairly frequently, but mostly as part of larger groups of Decepticons.
>>5627378
Ironically this design team DOESN'T do that endless Bumblebee shit. Yeah we still get giant sized versions and repaints, but for the most part no more than Grimlock or Optimus. Meanwhile, the old design team put something like four deluxe Bumblebees in the ROTF line alone, wasted a slot on a Leader Bumblebee, created two different non-standard size class giant Bee figures, and more. Its really wound down.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/j5oj1yn.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>5627337
>so i dont know if i wanna get this.
I reccomend it, especially since the original toy has nostalgic value to you.
The toy is a lot better in hand, as it seems most pics online can't pose this mold for shit. In person, his his shoulders aren't as bad as they look, and legs don't seem as stiff, if you pose him well.
I personally bought Armada Megatron over the G1 version because it has a smaller (and pretty badass) head that makes the whole mold look more proportionate and imposing.
The G1 version has a bigass head that makes the mold look cartoony and goofy by comparison, while the Armada one looks pretty brutal.
>>5627384
I would have loved to see a Titan Master wave made up entirely of decapitated characters.
>>5627355
>Vehicle transformer does't sell
>well it was just a bad toy
>beast transformer doesn't sell
>WELL LETS STOP MAKING ALL BEASTS THEN.
People will buy beast figures as long as they're cool. The tricky thing is that a lot of recent beast figures have been terrible, or unappealing. I like my Rattrap figure, but his beast mode is straight out of the 90's gross-out era of toys. But stuff like dinos almost always sell unless they're total wrecks like AoE Slash.
>>5627391
I have a huge hard-on for pic related, just look at the glorious fucker.
>>5627339
disliking Apeface's beast mode=/ I hate all robo beasts
I like robo beast modes a lot, but I hate the compromises made to make the Horrorcons tripplechangers, and I doubt this new team could do much better. I'd rather they drop the vehicle mode, or make the ape mode a priority, but people would probably be upset about it. As is the horoorcon beast modes look like something you could cobble together out of any figure by just adding a beast head. It reminds me of Gigatron's more odd modes, like his elephant and griffon modes.
If it looked like Iron Kong or some other zoids-like design, I'd be all for it.
>>5627410
Takara wins again.
>>5627397
Rhinox and waspinator are good. Rattraps problem is that they tried to fit so much in to a small package.
And I thought the stego sold less than slash? The stego would have been great if not for the stupid hands.
>>5626540
>>5627428
Rattrap was going to be a voyager, but I convinced the suits in marketing that he wouldn't sell in that size. Still didn't as a deluxe.
>>5627382
>I get what you're trying to say, but you're not making any valid points
My local TRU still has AOE stuff, mostly likely been there since the movie came out. I think that's a pretty valid point.
>>5627436
THANK DR LEGBEAT
>>5627412
As someone who has no nostalgia for Horrorcons, I'm happy with Apeface's Titan Master vehicle. I know it's not what everyone would have wanted, but I think it's cute, and a good direction for TM vehicles to go.
>>5627437
>Voyager Rattrap
That would've been funny as fuck, especially next to MP Primal.
>>5627441
I'd be happy with a Snapdragon done this way. I've never liked (or really disliked) Apeface, but this is one of the guys I'm most excited for in this line.
This play pattern looks so fucking awesome. I wish I was still a kid.
>>5626525
http://www.ebay.com/itm/351710851934?_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
trainformers
>>5627252
we are getting on in Titans Returns from Hardhead.
>>5627438
Not when you're trying to complain about CHUG character choices since the movie and CHUG lines are different.
>>5627436
>Not Headbeat
Speaking of which, I can't wait to see how Takara's Nightbeat head that comes with Rewind turns out.
I'm actually tempted to buy their Shockwave only for the gorgeous paint job on Cancer.
>>5627436
THANK DR LEGBEAT
>>5627414
>no red antlers
>>5627436
Gracias Doctor Legbeat
>>5627467
>no red antlers
Good.
>>5627476
TAKARA WINS AGAIN
glory to lord megatron
>>5627476
>>5627483
>wanting anything to be show-accurate to Armada
oh noooooooo
>>5627459
>if i keep saying buzzwords i don't need to elaborate!
>>5627487
Somethings just never change eh?
What about g1 skylynx with the red decepticon logos, lol
>>5627487
No different that the geewunners wanting accuracy from a show that was never accurate.
>>5627488
There a literally no buzzwords in the post.
>>5627487
I know your point, Armada was off. But the image is't the best example, having more than one insignia is not uncommon, in toys or fiction.
Might as well complain that G1 Optimus has badges on both of his shoulders in most media.
>>5627495
I believe it is not the number of insignia, but the faction loyalty that you should be attentive to, Anon.
>>5627496
oh
shit
I goofed
>>5627495
Are you just flat out missing the animation error?
>>5627487
First Hascon 2017 exclusive.
>>5627494
CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG
do i fit in now?
>>5627501
Oh great, a sticker sheet, that'll keep the kids happy
>>5627503
nigga what
>>5627503
literally retarded
>>5627487
>An insignia is wrong in some frames, so wanting an accurate color scheme makes no sense!
>>5627487
>implying Armada didn't have good animation
>>5627503
...that's not a buzzword
>>5627515
here's the full scene
>>5627513
jokes on you because the Takara one is no more accurate
there's a complete absence of red on the toy's horns, whereas in the show they're bordered with red
>>5627522
Not him but let me ask you this.
The show model has mostly that grey with a red boarder.
The hasbro is all red
Takara's has only the inner antler correct.
Which is the closest match?
Finally, are we talking about an mp or a chug?
>not just buying the one that looks better to you
>>5627525
>mp or a chug
Quit using buzzwords.
>>5627530
>dodging the question
>BUZZ WORDS HURT MY HEAD
>>5627529
this guy gets it
>>5627525
definitely Takara's anyone saying otherwise is a loser, like any hasblowfags
>>5627525
Technically neither because the Takara one was a Tokyo Toy Show exclusive. Because of that I'd have expected it to go the whole nine yards
>>5627531
I can't argue with anyone that uses buzzwords like mp or CHUG.
>>5627515
>>5627521
Damn, that is sweet.
Armada Thrust is actually the major reason that I'm picking up Grand Galvatron.
>>5627538
To be fair, the red on the antlers would of been a great touch, perhaps "unpaintable" plastic, but its not the red that was most striking.
I suppose those who saw the red first would prefer hasbro's, that and the price is much better than the lg-ex version.
>>5627544
This is why I asked, mp or chug, mp aims to go the whole 9 yards, chug's tend to homage the effect, some get it spot on like arcee, others get pretty damn close.
Even an LG-EX only goes so far, the LG-EX scourge's head reminds me of a cross between an optimus head (accurate) and the unicorn gundam in destroy mode (not accurate).
Its why as >>5627529 said best, we get the one that looks better to us, otherwise we're literally arguing over kids toys.
Faults on the mp's I can totally understand, the fact an mp+ line was made to fix that has made me realize how terrible we've become as a fan base.
Of course that's for the japanese audience and their preference which makes the rest of us look less autistic.
>>5627549
So um...what else do I refer to the collectors line masterpiece or any of the modern interpretations, I use "chug" as anything in the generations like is a chug by default, unless its in the current tv show which then doesn't count as a chug like the TAV/rid2015 line.
Please enlighten me, and on that matter what do I refer bikes from cars without triggering a buzzword?
I'm not looking for a fight, I'm trying to better understand us.
>>5627521
Man Armada would've been a fantastic 13-26 episode series, instead of a mediocre 52 episode series.
Actually that goes for a lot of the UT stuff. I'd love an anniversary Armada movie release, trimming all the fat and making 3 good movies with some improved animation.
Wtf, Toys R Us? This is why you're doing poorly.
>>5627555
>chug
>keeps using buzzwords
>>5627561
You're not the first to note the price anon.
I dread when Australia brings up the prices, currently the standard price is $29.99 with the lowest being $25aud, we already pay too much for everything as it is, I don't wantto import fucking everything transformer related but they keep doing this shit
>>5627555
>Faults on the mp's I can totally understand, the fact an mp+ line was made to fix that has made me realize how terrible we've become as a fan base.
The Anime colors Red alert is a criminal example of falling on the sword of show accuracy So cartoon accurate they actually PAINTED OVER the headlights. Why?
>>5627558
>top chug, sjw
>>5627572
i better not chug you or your wife's son again, chug.
>>5627564
Like I said, please enlighten me on what words I should be using, you seem to be rather antagonistic.
Shall I refer them as collectors lines vs literal toys, I feel like I'm disrespecting the brand that way.
>>5627571
This is why I stopped myself buying this edition, true show accuracy has its draw backs, the point of the highlights was to homage BOTH toy and g1 while giving it some pop at the same time.
I'm glad they aren't standard releases
>mfw /tfg/ has a new troll
what does chug even mean
>>5627585
>Classics
>Henkei
>Universe
>Generations
Basically all the collector's lines arranged into a ridiculous acronym.
>>5627555
Some people get really anal about the abbreviation CHUG for some reason. Then insist you call them classics despite only 1 line actually being that, and not really. Personally I've never liked the term "Classics"; the line wasn't called classics on the packaging, it was just "Transformers Robots in Disguise". Obviously that's confusing with the 5 or so other RiD lines. But it was just Transformers. I hate making up names for lines but I get why classics stuck. I'm fine with just referring as the entire line as Generations.
>>5627515
Why does he look so sad?
>>5627586
I know your wife is being CHUG'd this very second by her bull, but you'd rather complain on a child's toy board.
>>5627587
Not...really collectors line, they appeal to collectors as they're generally based on a g1 standard and (usually with takara's efforts) they can be really slathered in paint apps, but they're still toys, toy that happen to please alot of collectors.
I'm a proud chug collector.
>>5627588
Ah, I see now, I don't hang around on forums so I'm a bit behind the times, guess I should call them by their sku's, generations.
Actually I'll swap and change as I go, freedom of speech afterall
>>5627590
Seen armada before?
He's looking at unicron if I remember correctly, hence why >>5627521 has him going all out
>>5627588
Classics was apparently the internal name for the line, so people just used that.
>>5627594
You're getting pegged mixed up with chug
>>5627587
>Basically all the collector's lines arranged into a ridiculous acronym.
>all the collector's lines
Dunno... if it included all the collector lines so far it'd be CHUGULCWUW
It's pronounced Chugle-coo-woo
>>5627603
For the longest time I thought CW/TR where labelled generations, too, but I just noticed they aren't.
also you forgot Reveal the Shield.
>>5627560
Is there some kind of list of the non shit UT episodes that can be watched in an enjoyable yet coherent way without all the shit episodes?
I watched Armada when I was a kid and I remember some episodes actually being cool, mostly at the end when the Unicron shenanigans started. Energon and Cybertron felt so stupid from the few episodes I watched though that I never even gave these series a try.
>>5627561
>tfw CW Deluxes are almost $50 here in Sweden
