Alright /tg/, let's say as a sole sane individual in 40k you realise that they're your best bet as allies against chaos, nids, orks and everything else in this galaxy.
Obviously the rest of the Imperium still goes full "muh xenos", but how do we even begin to mend this shitty, unnecessesary massacre of human lives and resources against someone who you'd want on your side?
The emprah is okay with it.
Do you think your opinion matters? Billions of people die in war every day for the Imperium, can't se why one person should make the difference.
>>48073530
Make cute babies mon-keigh
nah
>muh friendly xenos! it was all an accident! we should be pals!
People like OP just don't "get" 40k on a fundamental level.
>>48073619
What happened to "the enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend?"
>>48073646
“The enemy of my enemy dies next.”
-Lord Solar Macharius, Maxims of the Eminent
>>48073646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6afLCfgMI74
>>48073530
Isn't it already established lore that some high level human psykers and several farseers work together in secret against chaos via the black library? Far from all Eldar and even fewer Humans are even aware of the fact.
There seem to be some that understand the absolute necessity of pooling their resources, even if they respect the hard to solve differences between Eldar and Humans. Mercy and some shadow of Empathy between the two can be found in 40k lore too.
Path of the Seer for example, an eldar gives up the warrior path because she can't handle killing unarmed human women and children.
>>48073530
Rape of an eldar are the only human eldar relations that should happen
>>48073665
>eldar helps him out
>he is a dick and leaves them to die out
Wew.
>>48073530
You don't, and neither do the Eldar. They don't care a lick for human existence beyond how it benefits them. This is 40K, there's no mutual understanding, just self-destructive dogma and no realistic hope for anyone.
>>48073756
Taldeer does it to him as well. Only difference is he is a badass enough to get out of it and still assist the Eldar on the final mission. He doesn't retrieve the Titan though, so who knows what happens to him after the Lorn V campaign.
>>48073756
>eldar plan to do the exact same thing
The moral of the story is to never trust eldar.
>>48073530
>implying the eldars aren't cryptic cunts that will kill entire human colonies because muh maiden world or muh master plan instead of simply explaining the threats to the inquisitor.
They've been a dying race for 11 millenias, and they still haven't learned shit.
At least the DE or the Exodites managed to bounce back. The Craftworlds are just a huge embarrassment.
But there are some limited cooperation at the highter levels. Eldar ambassadors are a thing, for example. See Grease Monkey from the Last Chancers.
>>48073756
Here it was that or getting backstabbed by the Eldar.
>>48073756
That campaign was meant to show what is essentially the definition of Human Eldar relations. The Eldar begrudgingly help the humans out because they need them to fight the necrons, but the second they don't need the humans they try to kill them, because they believe the humans will betray them. At the same time the general knows betrayal by the eldar is inevitable so he in turn draws the same conclusion resulting the the cutscene linked earlier. Both tried to stab the other in the back because they didn't want to be the one with the knife in their back.
>>48073756
He's a human, so it's okay.
>>48074028
Astra Militarum in a nutshell.
>>48073873
Craftworlders are the most numerous of all the Eldar and have completely restructured their way of life to preserve their culture while also avoiding Chaos so they can go on the offensive. Of course they kill some chuckle fuck humans sitting on a world ripe to grow an Exodite colony or to save the soul of a brother or sister from eternal damnation.
>>48073530
Because if you try to be nice to a Eldar, nine times of ten they will backstab you and destroy everything you love because some vision they didn't bother to explain.
As>>48073665 says, in 40K the enemy of my enemy it just that, nothing more, nothing less.
>>48073530
You're assuming the eldar want us on THEIR side, which they don't. The hatred is mutual. The moment they met crusading imperial fleets that refused to bend over and let themselves get anally raped by xenos was the moment they decided we would need to go.
What happens is you form an alliance with Eldar and then they throw you to the wolves sacrificing trillions of humans to save a few of their own
Because Eldar are cunts and allying with them is terrible
>>48074724
I don't agree with you anon, Eldrad tried to not be a total dick to Fulgrim and because Fulgrim went muh demon sword, he vowed never to try again.
It's like the fucking israelo-palestinian conflict. Heaps upon heaps of "let's try again" followed by betrayal and more betrayal, with too many groups having an interest in nobody getting along.
>>48074153
Dark Eldar are far more numerous than the Craftworlders.
>>48075823
We're not even sure how many exodites they are because they have hidden planets far away. Who knows how many there are there? And since those Eldars aren't all path-obnubilated, something tells me their fertility is a bit better too.
>>48073530
You scream like a child about diversity and promote human-guilt until Xenos have their own neighborhoods, become elected officials, implement Eldar Shariah, and complain about the number of mon-keigh males on public transport.
>>48076318
>that last tab
Anon, got something to say?
>>48074132
>Astra Militarum
>>48073615
Hey I'd do it. Is there any thing in the lore about eldar and human offspring? Is it possible? What would the hybrid look like? Also is there instances of tau and human? Eldar and tau? How diluted can we make the gene pools?
>>48076407
>Hey I'd do it. Is there any thing in the lore about eldar and human offspring? Is it possible? What would the hybrid look like?
Pointy ears.
>Also is there instances of tau and human?
Tau don't want your junk in their women, Anon.
You do realize that when they eventually bring Yinnead into existence and no longer have to worry about Slaanesh they want to turn around and kill humans right?
Maybe not ALL of them but this seems to be a commonly held position by most CWE
>>48076318
>how to take a screenshot
>light bulbs in my ass
Ahahah. Good sport, anon.
>>48076407
>>48076461
How is it possible? Eldar aren't even mammalian. I thought they were like those crystal algae.
>>48076537
>Eldar aren't even mammalian.
It's rare when it happens.
>>48073910
For the sake of argument, if the farseer was able to tell the humans wouldn't betray them, would they still betray them?
>>48076383
It's a meme to put weird or cancerous things in your tabs when posting screenshots to 4chan.
My personal favorites are furaffinity, naruto crossover fanfictions, and gay sex with hats on.
>>48076648
You don't keep an ox that can't pull a plow anymore, anon.
>>48076670
Thanks, Anon.
>gay sex with hats on.
That doesn't sound too weird.
>>48076867
FUCKING SYNTH KILL IT NOW
>>48076938
Roll to hit it, Danse!
>>48073530
you imply that the Eldar are interested in being friends with humans.
>>48076537
Is not. Outside of that Ultramarine Librarian from Rogue Trader, the only way a spawn of Human and Eldar could exist is probaly as a experiment of a Dark Eldar who drank a strong drug that day.
>>48073530
You don't
>>48080028
Reminder that Fulgrim was in the wrong here.
>>48075823
Look at any wiki or the Lexicanum about Eldar and most say the greatest amount of Eldar exists on the Craftworlds. I don't even get why people think Commoragh has the most Eldar. Yes, it's a fuck huge prefall space port but the majority of the population is the slave caste that aren't Dark Eldar. Plus you're comparing it to several moon sized ships with multiple cities each consisting of nothing by Eldar. Craftworlders make up the bulk of the Eldar.
>>48073530
The only way to fix the Imperium would be to tear it down. It's too shitty and bloated at this point to change from within.You'd need like an entire segmentum breaking off and doing its own thing.
>>48080028
>"What's that you said, suspicious talking sword-kun? Kill them all and wear their skin? Then try to kill my dad? Ok then, that sounds sane."
Fulgrim is not even remotely close to being right in any way.
>>48075715
That was only out of self preservation. If Eldrad didn't need the Imperium for his plans you can bet he wouldn't have given a fuck.
>>48073530
I imagine any kind of large-scale change of heart from either species would take longer to catch on than any number of 40k's "end-game" scenarios.
Even if the highest levels of leadership of both species agreed on an alliance (as if that were possible, considering how disconnected both sides are from any kind of real central leadership), the vastness of space, the difficulty of communicating such a decision, the difficulty--having communicated it--of convincing the recipients that such an unprecedented decision is legitimate, and the sheer inertia of individual racial hatred on both sides would strangle any real chance of it being taken seriously before, say, the Tyranids eat everyone, the Orks take over, the Necrons finish waking up, or Abaddon gets his shit together.
Small-scale stuff, where a desperate member (or cell) of the Imperium finds common cause with an individual, surely-exceptional, in-no-way-representative-of-their-species-as-a-whole Xeno or group of Xenos? Sure. But any kind of permanent or widespread Imperium/Eldar alliance is a pipe dream.
>>48073586
He just wanted eldar prostitutes.
>>48074153
>>48075823
>>48075838
>>48080301
The ones with more population are the DE, followed by the Exodites, then the Craftworld eldars and thenChaos eldars
>>48073530
Just about everything grimdark about 40k stems from elder psychic pollution. Let's just get that out of the way right now.
This is yet another "if only" situation. If only your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. Nearly any race would be the perfect ally against all the others plus chaos... if only you could convince them to side with you. Necrons, Orks, Tau, hell even Tyranids. They'd be fucking amazing as allies of humans if you could swing the deal. Which you can't, for exactly the same reasons for the Eldar as any others.
Eldar are hotties, and as close genetic relatives of the bonobos you spend most of your time evaluating things on their fuckability potential. Which they don't reciprocate. And other than that, there's no real commonality of interest.
>>48081000
Oh yes, it's always those Xenos that are not able to cooperate, never this nazi space-catholic Imperium or something like this...
>>48081055
Learn your lore you stupid faggot. The only reason the Emperor became xenophobic is because he kept getting betrayed by xenos every time he tried to ally with them.
>>48081055
Every single xenos faction besides Tau were already the way they were before the Imperium even existed.
Dark Eldar, Necrontyr, Tyranids, Orks, all fucking evil and predate the IoM. It's the fucking xenos fault the Imperium became Nazis.
>>48080425
Killing the Emprah is what any sane man would have done if given the opportunity. The skin thing was a bit weird though. But hey, wearing the skins of other species isn't exactly something humans have ever balked at, and Eldar aren't even the same domain.
What if we could start a cross breeding program and have the half eldar offspring act as diplomats.
>>48081121
>>48081142
Are you implying that the Imperium doesn't have a knee-jerk reaction whenever something xeno appears? I mean we could go back to Eldrad and Fulgrim, in which an Eldar approached a Primarch...
>>48073530
It doesn't matter. Eldar see you as a brute meant to be expendable for their kind.
That isn't an alliance.
>>48081195
Too bad half-eldar aren't canon outside of stupid fanfiction.
Muh waifus though
>>48081265
Shit artist, please never post again.
>>48081265
You might want to fuck off with those.
>>48081239
There are plenty of alliances carried out in exactly that way.
Think the Soviets and the Allies in the Second World War. Neither particularly liked one another, but they worked together in a common cause anyhow.
>>48081264
You really going to make us pull that ultrasmurf librarian blurb out of the rulebook?
>>48081383
>he thinks RT is canon
It's literally incompatible with the current lore.
>>48081383
It's not like you got any other evidence for half-eldar outside of this ancient rogue trader lore which isn't compatible with current wh40k fluff.
>>48080967
Nice complete lack of sources bub.
>mfw I always thought craftworlds were round, like Cybertron
>mfw they're just giant fucking spaceships
REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>48082193
I had this problem as a kid accept with boobs.
>>48082223
Boobs are round, though.
>>48082276
Watch less porn.
>>48082193
>mfw I thought The Rock was literally just a fortress on top of a floating asteroid like pic related
>mfw it's actually a giant spaceship-shaped asteroid
>>48082276
Are they Anon? Are they really round and full of hope like the homeworld of the Autobots in it's prime? Or do they sag and descend to the earth like xenos star ships coming to bring a tyrannical dystopia to the earth?
>>48082303
>>48082335
I pity you people who have fucked only sixty year olds, apparently.
My current girlfriend's boobs are indubitably round, and I think I would know. I don't know what kinda boobs you've been seeing.
>>48081121
No, it isn't.
We know at this point that humanity's old enemies attacked them during the collapse of their empire, but the Great Crusade encountered many planets and larger domains where humans and aliens had remained allies or at least at peace.
The Emperor hated aliens because they weren't like him. He was the archetypal racist.
>>48082675
Maybe stop using shitty BL-based arguments to try to trump official rulebook lore and you wouldn't make so many stupid posts.
>>48081439
>>48081441
"Commoragh is full of half breeds."
>b-but they could be other half breeds!
It's an eldar city, you twats, the half breeds they're talking about are obviously eldar/other stuff.
>>48082713
It's canon nigga.
Even the core books only say that humanity's old enemies went in for the kill.
>>48082719
The question is: They were made by experiments or the old fashioned way?
>>48082675
"Suns die, Warp rifts open and
countless isolated worlds fall to the predatory xenos species that hunt throughout the
galaxy. It is not uncommon for Imperial fleets to arrive at a planet’s coordinates to find a
once teeming world transformed into a blasted and barren landscape, or once advanced
civilisations reduced to feral hunters."
"Sensing this, predatory aliens closed in on all
sides until, on every frontier, worlds burned and were lost. Not even systems once
thought unassailable were safe from the rapacious xenos threat."
"Old enemies continue their onslaught and more races of
hostile xenos are discovered with alarming regularity."
"Mankind has
had to call upon all their sprawling might to defend against the largest xenos invasions
recorded in human history. Not a single segmentum has been spared and even Holy Terra
itself has come close to falling into inhuman hands several times."
"The vast size of the Imperial Guard is
some indication of the scale of Mankind’s constant struggle, for hostile xenos races are
everywhere, an unending threat."
I'm not going to even keep going. The rulebook probably has hundreds of such quotes and I'm not going to paste them all just because you're a fucking moron.
>>48082675
Then why didn't he hate humans? They aren't like him either.
You're a fucking moron if you think it's the Emperor's fault that ORKS and TYRANIDS of all things only fight against mankind because we hurt their feelings.
>>48082803
I don't think anyone's talking about orks or tyranids.
The Imperium kills tons of random minor xenos that are no threat to it.
>>48082719
>It's an eldar city, you twats, the half breeds they're talking about are obviously eldar/other stuff.
And this proves what exactly? I mean those Haemonculi could make whatever they want.
>>48082761
>>48082837
The guy didn't say "it's full of haemonculi experiment half breeds."
>>48082837
What conceivable reason would there be to mass-produce random eldar/human hybrids and just flood the Commoragh with them?
I can see them messing around with genes in any way for any reason, but there's no reason for the haemonculi to just set loose a huge population of hybrids all over the city.
>>48073695
>Women are useless in battle
What else is fucking new
>>48080301
Nice source.
>>48085137
Lexicanum.
>>48073530
>this threada again
SHARP-EARS WILL BACKSTAB YOU RIGHT WHEN ENEMIES STOP THREATENING THEIR ANOREXIC ASSES. STOP TRYING TO BEFRIEND A VENOMOUS SNAKE
>>48082873
>What conceivable reason would there be to mass-produce random eldar/human hybrids and just flood the Commoragh with them?
Because you just did a shit load of drugs? Because it annoys people, which is causing them pain? Because those wretched creatures will live horrible painful existences, and that thought is one of the few things the DE can get off to now? Because all eldar and dark eldar are huge dicks, who don't give a shit about others suffering, hence why OP is a moron? Because it's funny? Because it's tuesday?
Make your pick. All are equally possible reasons
>>48073695
I think there are some instances of Harlequins performing on human worlds and letting Ordos Maleus inquisitors use the Black Library.
Behold.
>>48082613
Pics with a timestamp or it didn't fucking happen
>>48082813
If that were true we wouldn't have abhumans, sanctioned xenos, and grox burgers. Next.
>>48082713
There's no such thing as canon in 40k you collosal faggot. All sources are equally "myths and legends ".
>>48086332
You're a fucking retard for not realizing that applies to both parties.
>>48086332
The Emperor exists. Canon.
Space Marines are genetically male. Canon.
Tyranids exist. Canon.
Chaos exists. Canon.
Terra is the base of humanity and the Imperium. Canon.
The Terran solar system contains planets such as Mars and Saturn. Canon.
The person you're quoting literally says there is a set of canon.
>>48082738
And Emperor never tried to ally with xenos, and there is not a single known "ally species" of DAoT humans that turned against them.
/tg/'s fanon is teh worst
>>48086525
What about those space orangutans that made mini weapons?
>>48080301
>Look at any wiki or the Lexicanum about Eldar and most say the greatest amount of Eldar exists on the Craftworlds.
Or you can get a primary source, where a craftworlder balks in awe at Commorragh because it holds multitudes more than a million craftworlds combined. And that's just Central Commorragh alone.
>>48087485
>Central Commorragh alone
Whoops, meant Commorragh proper. It's excluding all the satellite realms, the subdimensions, the webway pockets, etc.
>>48076407
There ain't nothing that suggests half eldar are a thing in modern 40k.
The only such example is from Rogue Trader, nearly 30 fucking years ago, that hasn't been referenced or even alluded to ever since.
Half Eldar ain't a thing in 40k.
>>48085403
Nah, those reasons are bullshit.
>>48082850
Neither did he say that they are eldar/human half breeds, so that point is completely moot.
Especially when the codex, nor any Dark Eldar books either, say jack shit about there being half breeds in commoragh. Their numbers are adequately explained by Halfborn anyways.
>>48073615
Reminder that Eldar/Human romantic relationships are ridiculous fan wank and even if real would have you hunted down and killed by both species. In the imperium it would constitute the highest form of heresy and be in direct violation of the emperor's view on aliens, pre-dating the Heresy.
Now having a cute Neverborn waifu is a different story.
> Not a xenos!
> Literally made out of hopes and dreams (Human hopes and dreams, remember who's dominating the galaxy.)
> Not much different from having an imaginary girlfriend/waifu except she can actually manifest in reality under the right circumstances.
Why isn't this Emperor approved yet!?
As a matter of fact it probably is, given that the Emperor had to dive into the warp on Molech to make the Primarchs.
>>48073530
Elves are the best kind of Xenos, the kind that are completely fine with dying and want to destroy a chaos god. I saw we re-brand them, not as filthy, uppity xenos, but as a proud dying abhuman race that recognizes their inferiority to Man. They never have to know about it, but the average citizen will eventually be completely fine with them fighting along side the brave Guardsmen, just like Ogryns and Ratlings.
>>48088314
That's a retarded idea.
>>48088314
No.
>>48088288
Yes.
>>48088288
>demon
>not xenos
Demons are doublexenos. They are twice alien - not humans and made of completely different thing.
>>48088458
I get your point, but daemons are a byproduct of human thought activity. They are, at least as things stand in the year 40k, an existence that is intimately tied to humans.
Also, as people have mentioned on numerous occasions, the primarchs themselves are heavily implied to have been warp-entities locked in human flesh.
>>48088314
Nigga this idea of yours has bigger holes in it than the Titanic.
>>48088288
Something tells me that a few inquisitors tried to do that and failed miserably.
>>48089041
I could see a very radical inquisitor trying to argue something like this to some of his appalled orthodox colleagues.
>>48088554
Except nope... daemons arose from the psyche of all sapient races. There was even a big one created purely by Eldar, Slaanesh or something like that, perhaps you've heard of it?
>>48073615
>Reminder that Goto shipped Macha with Gabriel Angelos in his books and almost none one calls him out for it.
>>48089110
>After killing that nutjob inquisitor, his former allies discuss if consorting with xenos is slighty less retarded that what they hear, then start to beg the Emperor for forgiveness for starting such heretical talks.
>>48089216
>>Reminder that Goto shipped Macha with Gabriel Angelos in his books and almost none one calls him out for it.
maybe that's because we all secretly wanted it.
>>48089216
reminder that most people who rag on the dawn of war books never experienced their majesty for themselves
>>48089229
Nobody wants it.
>>48089229
I can already see the disaproving faces of Davian Thule and Tarkus.
>>48089295
Just Tarkus. Thule is asleep.
>>48089305
>Love Can Bloom is for Tarkus what Kaurava is for Cyrus, a unessesary mess that is not worth talking again.
>>48089331
Which is why he hates Vindicares.
>>48089331
Cyrus is just upset that Boreale is more of a legend than he is.
>>48089355
I think Spike's reign of cheese has made him legend enough.
>>48082303
>Not having perky bewbies
Saggie tits are very sad anon, maybe you should get a better SO
>>48089161
True, but since recently GW recentred the warp on the big four (a shame, seriously), and mankind is the only major race worshipping chaos in significant numbers, most current demons are very likely to originate from human psyches.
Gork daemons or unaligned creatures dreamed by aliens would have been cool, though.
>>48090715
>What are the Eldar Gods.
>What are Gork and Mork.
>>48081441
Necromunda
>>48076407
There's a bit an ancient fluff that was never officially retconned. So, according to the arcane and strange rules of 40K canon, it's still technically canon, sort of.
>>48073748
I'd rather have Rape BY an eldar to be exact.
Specifically Eldar cougars (which would be all their women by definition because elves=old) raping human choir shotas.
>>48090642
Tits or GTFO.
>>48088138
>nor any Dark Eldar books
BL shit isn't canon.
I have now come to realise after 9 years of browsing 4chan just how repetitive shit can sometimes be.
The short answer is this: if an eldar fucks you its the same kind of fetishism people who perform beastiality display. They get off on fucking something not legitimately on the same intellectual level as them.
>>48081439
The rules of Canon are thus: Everythign is true, until it isn't.
Unless something is specifically retconned (like the original SoB's being Space Marine hunters and Space Marines being criminals) it's still "true." For given values of "true."
Same goes for the Black Library books. And there is at least 1 half-Eldar in the Black library.
>>48091116
Not at all the same. Humans are capable of advanced abstract though, and through it morals, informed decisions etc.. Other animals are, as far as we're aware, not capable of these things, or at least don't do them. Elves are better than humans at it, but they don't possess any fundamentally different awareness. It's not bestiality any more than a professor fucking a bimbo is bestiality.
Still dumb shit that shouldn't have ever been discussed again post-LCB, but whatever.
>>48090818
Elaborate.
>>48091180
>>48091116
IIRC theres an ancient piece of fluff text from 2nd ed DE that discusses the idea. I don't have that sample text. You will have to ask for it.
>>48091141
Given that many Space Marines are taken from among Hive gangs it still is partly true that a bunch are criminals.
>>48091287
he's misremembering or paraphrasing from someone who didn't read RT
Marine fluff is largely unchanged. The only significant retcon was the shuffling/rebranding of the founding chapters.
>>48090948
Spock marine hasn't been referenced or mentioned in over 20 years, so it is a safe bet that he ain't canonical anymore.
>>48091111
Except when they support your argument, seeing how fags wanking to half eldar often cite some bl novels (which funnily enough, don't even feature half eldar in the first place) as "proof" of them still being a thing.
>>48076407
Most Human/Eldar offspring are abominations that quickly die.
>>48090767
First word of the second line of the post you're answering to.
Point is, in the early years, Choas was much more chaotic, with tons of minors entitites not vassalized to the 4 gods. Nowadays we have gods (chaotic or not) and that's all, with only the big four having creatures at their disposal.
Orks don't invoke Gorknettes or Squigs of Morks afaik.
Imperial saints could be considered to be the Emprah's daemon princes, but there's still a distinct lack of deamons.
>>48091439
Nigga you just pulled that statement out of your ass.
There is zero fluff on human/eldar offspring, because they don't fucking exist in modern 40k.
>>48091491
>Squig of Mork.
Okay, that would be funny to see.
>>48091516
For a good reason.
Although there was one instance in a Deathwatch book about a rogue inquisitor having a half eldar whelp that was an abomination that quickly died.
>>48080926
That's all eldar are already
>>48092479
Source?
>>48081195
I volunteer as tribute!
>>48092489
He's just being facetious.
>>48091390
>Spock marine hasn't been referenced or mentioned in over 20 years, so it is a safe bet that he ain't canonical anymore.
Time isn't enough to make things non canon.
A lot of things from RT have been retconed, including the actual half-eldar character himself, but nothing has ever said that Eladar and Humans can't have kids. Some stuff has even indirectly implied they can, though that on it's own wouldn't be enough to argue for Half-Eldar, when combined with the RT fluff an argument can be made.
>>48091516
There is fluff but it's ancient rogue trader stuff that had never been alluded to again since it's mentioning.
>>48093298
There has been no solid example of a half eldar character since RT.
All the "allusions" are extremely vague, or in universe rumors at best, that don't prove shit.
>>48093430
Look, all I'm saying is that anyone on either side of the argument who claims absolute certainty is full of shit. It's ambiguous whether that fluff is still canon, and I'm pretty sure that it's deliberately so.
>>48091116
>The short answer is this: if an eldar fucks you its the same kind of fetishism people who perform beastiality display.
This. This is why all the eldar ficki ficki fan diarrhea is so delusional, and why daemonloving makes much more sense even if it gets you executed or gets your soul eaten.
>>48091027
UNF
How do eldar reproduce?
How do dark Eldar reproduce?
How do corsair reproduce?
>>48093892
I wonder if female eldar sometimes ever fetishise human fucking. Like otaku outcasts that ship humans with eldar and dream of mating with a human male but get called Mon-kiegh fuckers.
>>48094170
There ain't that much fluff on the specifics of Eldar reproduction, however it is known that Dark Eldar speed grow embryos that are aborted out of the mommy Deldar's womb. Having a babby normal way in Commoragh is a symbol of great status.
>>48073530
I always wondered why the Tau haven't been pushed with making Human/Tau hybrids it would seem right up their alley to experiment with hybrid ambassadors for the 'greater good'
>>48094588
Because even the Tau find it fucking gross.
So, while the greater Imperium and the majority of Eldar will try and kill each other given the chance, it's still possible for certain subfactions to form stable working relationships that don't involve backstabbing?
>>48094804
There are cases of alliances with xenos that didn't end in bloodshed, but they were temporal at best.
>>48094850
so basically all ties with aliens are, at best, fleeting?
>>48094899
Yes, for one Inquisitor that considers your consorting with xenos a necessary evil, there are ten wanting to burn you for such gross heresy.
>>48073530
The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. The Eldar wouldn't "ally" with humans against Chaos- at best they would just use them as a tool against it and then kill/enslave us all once that was done. They are not a moral and charitable race.
>>48094588
Because the Imperium would go fucking batshit insane in the face of such horrifically heretical mocking of the purity of humanity.
>>48073646
It happens. See: Gothic War, 13th Black Crusade and a few other instances.
>>48086217
Sanctioned (sentient) xenos are effen rare and done on an individual basis in extremely rare cases. Abhumans are stable and useful human mutant strains, not xenos.Grox are non-sentient. The general course of action for the imperium when it meets a sentient xenos species is extermination.
It is hard to say how much of that is due to the Emperor and how much happened later, but given how the Emperor treated any imperial settlements that did not share his vision or that he considered too heterodox, I imagine a lot of the Imperium's genocidal tendencies started with him.
>>48089355
m8, there are primarchs who aren't as anus burningly dangerous as Cyrus.
>>48095121
Considering that the only existing primarchs are daemon princes, I kind of doubt that.
>>48095271
Level up Cyrus' infiltration ability, give him remote detonators/mines, then reassess your opinion.
>>48076648
Their Edar anon, betrayal is just in their nature.
>>48076648
As long it benefit them, yes they would.
>>48080967
Do you have any numbers on that?
Going by Phil Kelly's interview when the 5E DEldar dex came around, major kabals can rival minor craftworlds in power. Granted, Craftworld Eldar have more in terms of heavy equipment (heavier ships, titans,etc), so that is some of where the power comes from, but we are talking about major kabals here.This should imply that even minor craftworlds have quite a few people
>>48087485
Where is this from? Granted, we do know that there is a whole lot of slaves in Comorragh,possibly more than the DE.
Post Necron X Eldar
>>48095871
>Where is this from?
Path of the Renegade, chapter 16. And slaves have nothing to do with his assessment of the city. He's a craftworlder who went renegade (ranger) and lived with the exodites before he betrayed them and joined the dark eldar. That's what he's referring to with "other disaffected eldar" also joining the deldar.
You've truly been underestimating the Dark City. I was late to this thread, so I haven't had a chance to say anything beforehand. Let's put Commorragh (one """city""") into perspective:
In the Fall, almost every eldar city in the Webway survived. dozens to hundreds of port cities (port referring to webway portals). Commorragh was the largest, with the greatest number of portals. When Vect came into power, he decided portals between the surviving cities wasn't enough. So he filled all the space between them with buildings. I don't have words for the magnitude of what that describes. That isn't connecting Los Angelos to New York. Port Commorragh already held billions, likely the size of a small moon if mapped in 3D (it's actually 4D). Port Commorragh is now just one small district of many in Low Commorragh, while Central ("High) Commorragh is the true hub of the DE.
But it doesn't stop there. After all the space between was filled (holy fuck), they wanted MORE, so they opened pocket dimensions. They built more realms through all those portals Commorragh and the other ports had. If Central Commorragh is a tree trunk, they built branches out from it. They built pocket realms within satellite realms, giving it leafs. It goes even further and is bursting at the seams. They needed to capture multiple suns to give Central Commorragh light alone.
"Commorragh" the city is a tree, and each leaf can be a world. Craftworlds, exodite worlds, they can never compare to the DE. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't understand what Commorragh is.
>>48096502
Well, its going to be one hell of a invasion/crusade/Waaagh to get rid of that place and its denizens.
>>48095871
>>48096502
I'm going to go further here. I like the tree analogy because I can keep working with it. Vast as Commorragh starts to seem, all of it centered around Vect's Corespur in High Commorragh, it just doesn't fucking quit. Trees also have roots, and so does Commorragh. Beneath all the spires, beneath the palaces, drug rivers and ground-level dens, is the underworld. The underworld is considered far too dangerous for those in the kabals, more so than even the hellion streets. GW hasn't expanded much on what inhabits the underworld beyond kabal-less mercenaries, but there are suggestions. This underground expands just as far as the upperground does, but it also goes deeper. I forget if this part has a particular name, but the 5E codex calls it "the underside of Commorragh." This is where the haemonculi (the eldar who caused and survived the Fall - most of whom have lived since then) make their homes - in spires that stick downward in the same way the kabals' do upwards. They never give numbers on how many dwell here, so I can't say more than that.
But let's keep going. Like a tree, leafs falls. "Autumn," when all the leafs fall off, is called a Dysfunction, but let's not go there. Around the tree are fallen leafs, places that have broken off, fallen into disrepair, etc. Deldar who don't like Vect and the new kabal system live in these outside districts. On quantity, 5E says this:
>The outer districts of Low Commorragh are so many and varied that one cannot possibly visit them all in a single lifetime.
One realm tried to full on separate from Commorragh, so Vect dropped an exploding imperial vessel on them, rupturing the bubble and flooding it with daemons. Deldar shamans also wander these parts and beyond. Another part of outer Commorragh is the tree's shadow, called Aelindrach, a multi-dimensional district that is composed purely of shadows.
Rogue Trader 2E also showcased isolated DE "outposts" not connected to Commorragh, going even further.
>>48097042
They tried.
Although, the DE are actually going to be the first race to be wiped out come the End Times. Slaanesh herself has been besieging Khaine's Gate for a few millennia now, and it's shattering right now.
>>48097042
>>48081055
The Imperium had an anti-Eldar policy long before they became Catholic space Nazis. We've seen with the Tau that their xenophobia is now on auto-pilot, but the "fuck everything to do with Eldar" policy came from long before the Imperium went evil.
>>48091306
Marines weren't criminals, but "largely unchanged" is rather an exaggeration. They used to be super-cops in addition to being soldiers. Their modern fluff got hammered down in supplements and magazine articles pretty early in the run of RT, but at the time of the book's actual publication, space marines were barely recognizable.
>>48093492
This anon gets it. There's no solid proof of half-eldar being a thing in any kind of recent fluff, but clearly no one wants to decisively rule the idea out, either, because it would only take one line of text to do so explicitly. The extreme animosity between Eldar and Humans alone would be enough to make half-breeds excessively rare even if they're perfectly compatible, and that same animosity means that the impossibility of creating a cross-breed can easily pass without comment, because people willing to try are so impossibly rare (particularly on the Eldar side since, unlike Humans, their population isn't so fucknormously large that you can find several billion individuals with any given fetish, no matter how taboo or depraved).
>>48097046
GW fluff being contradictory between contemporary books or even within the same book is nothing new. The Dark Eldar are either overwhelmingly more or overwhelmingly less populous than the Craftworld Eldar. Take your pick.
>>48097964
>The Dark Eldar are either overwhelmingly more or overwhelmingly less populous than the Craftworld Eldar. Take your pick.
Do you have a source to back that up? Because I've presented plenty to the contrary.
I believe half eldar are possibly true.
But I dont want to know, the mystery is the best part. And it will make it all more special if love blooms unexpectedly and is handled correctly.
Which in 40KL I expect it to never occur and or end very tragically.
But I want the doubt there. Its fun.
>>48073530
Does that sword have a scope on it?
>>48099943
I was about to say no, but now that I've really looked at it, I don't know. But I hope it is.
>>48082719
>>48082761
I hate this "half-breeds" meme. Read the fucking book. Nowhere does it mention half-eldar hybrids.
What it mentions are the "half-born" (who I think may be derisively called half-breeds at some point), ie dark eldar grown to accelerated adulthood in amniotic tanks, and who make up the majority of the population because it's really fucking dangerous to try to carry an eldar child to term in Commorragh.
This is why the trueborn are so full of themselves.
>>48097237
Khaine's gate is retarded bullshit that the new dex added.
It wasn't in the previous dex.
>>48104809
I'm fully aware of that. It doesn't make it less cannon.
>>48095008
Tau know that Imperium's central authorities are dumbfucks who throw an autistic fit at everything that looks alien, but they also know it's very easy to negotiate with individual imperial worlds depending on their local leadership. So that should not be a hindrance.
>>48086764
There's no official deal with them, Inquisitors just sometimes take them in their retinues. It's like daemonhosts but with xenos.
Anyone arguing for the canonicity of eldar/human relations is a fucking retard and I fucking hate myself.
>>48105259
You lust after big eldar cock don't you?
>>48105283
I made mistakes. I was young and foolish. I underestimated meme magic.
>>48094979
i believe the necrons and space marines are best bros
>>48081055
You're completely missing the point in >>48081000 . There's no basis for cooperation in the first place. For any race.
You keep assuming that the preschool rule of "we can all be friends if we just beleeeeeve" applies between nation-states. Let alone between alien races, who operate in a galactic system of anarchy and have no ultimate congruence of interest.
At least with an earth tree I have some shared interests. With even an enemy faction of humans, plenty of room for compromise and conciliation. With an alien? None at all. And this applies for every race, not just humans. There's no endgame where cooperation has any value.
The Eldar can and will work together with others. The Eldar have worked together with the Dark Eldar, they have a favorable view of the Tau, and they have worked together with humans as well. Despite the propaganda, the Eldar want nothing more to survive and defeat the forces of chaos that assail the galaxy.
This is incompatible with the xenophobia of the IoM however. The IoM is genocidal and hostile towards everything in the galaxy that isn't human. It will take a change in the IoM's mindset before stable relations could be entertained between the two peoples, just like the Tau would have to get over their arrogance with regard to their "Greater Good" for them to be able to work together with others: nobody wants to be a Tau slave.
I think the Eldar, IoM, and Tau could save the galaxy if they learned how to work together. They might even be able to get the orcs to help them too.
