When you play female characters do you actually roleplay them, or you just play them like "a man with tits"?
OP, that's a false dichotomy. You can do both or even neither.
>>47351722
That sure is some delicious bait there!You can do both of those things at the same time.
>>47351746
>posting a coldplay song in .jpg form
>>47351722
Depends sometimes, I play my characters like murderhobos and that's not even playing men like a men.
Sometimes when I have a character concept I'll RP my female characters, but that doesn't always happen when I roll a random character, until they have a chance to grow into a someone.
>>47351722
>TFW when all the female players in my group play their female characters like gruff hard-boiled "Guys with tits" and all their male characters like timid emotional pretty boys with sensitive souls.
>>47351722
A man with tits.
Define "man with tits," OP. I'm pretty sure that's a meaningless phrase, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
>>47351835
Not sure Ripley counts as a man with tits.
>>47351910
Yeah it's more like "Man with a vagina"
>>47351835
>>47351910
All the porn and fetish-bait aside, I think is a much better example. I actually didn;t believe in the whole "guy with tits" thing until I started trying to describe how bad the writing and character development in this was.
>>47351910
She's a maternity paragon opposing parasitoid rape demons. Shoulda used Vasquez.
>>47351722
Well, considering the only female characters I play are rough-and-tumble tomboys, I probably do just play them like a man with tits.
The femininity issues can be fun to play out, though. "I look terrible in this dress, I'm way too muscular for it" and so on.
>>47351927
nawh, there were some tits
>>47351974
"Does.. Does battlemail make my ass look fat?"
>>47352005
"This plate armour has a very unflattering silhouette, and I hate this tassle. The sword is nice, though."
>>47351998
tits indeed. but this is 4chan, odds are someone's hoping Ripley's hiding a dick there.
>>47351998
Nice
I don't really know if I roleplay women right or wrong,but definitely not as "man with tits".
>>47351722
>When you playanycharacters, do you actually roleplay them, or...
>Any character at all
>Having to ask if you "actually roleplay them"
You're That Guy, OP. Or at least a bad player.
Briana of Tarth every time.
She's absolutely a woman, just a really big one with an excessive sense of commitment who likes to stab people.
>>47351835
If Jamie Lee Curtis is a man with tits I'm gay as hell
>>47352103
>phone corrects Brienne to Briana
>>47351910
>>47351939
>>47351958
You guys do realize that in Alien Ripley was a man up until they decided they needed more female characters and just had a secretary rewrite the script by replacing any reference to Ripley's sex from male to female (swap "he" to "she", etc.)
She's literally a male character with tits and vag.
>>47352122
>Implying Korra probably wasn't a case of something similar because someone on the team decided at the end that the show needed a female protag that season.
>>47351939
Honestly it's more like "Human with tits"
>>47352122
How exactly would a woman character have been played differently in that role?
>>47352153
It's more like "unlikeable teenager with attitude problems" with tits to be fair. Fuck oh dear did she have like zero character development over 3 seasons and whine about EVERYTHING. I'm not saying she's a dude with tits, but lets be honest, the tits were the only reason she got away with it without being as hated as any other generic teeange-boy anime protagonist.
>>47351722
I play them like men with hips
>>47351722
The problem with playing a woman and not actually being one is that men and women both have naturally different thought processes and thought processes which are shaped by culture
Men are unable to play a woman as a woman without understanding female psychology and what motivates a woman to do something
>>47352175
yeah she's hot
>>47352171
A female Fett would have had an awkward, stalkery love triangle with Solo. Thank god that didn't happen.
Aren't we being told that there really is no essential difference between men and women, and therefore RPing a woman is simply being a man with tits?
;)
>>47351939
I admittedly only saw the first season and I don't want to do the /co/ on /tg/ thing, but Korra's character didn't seem unbelievable. She seemed like a regular bitchy tomboy.
>>47351939
But korra is the most whiny dependent emotional wreck in the entire franchise. The fact that she's built like a half orc doesn't change that, especially when she's actually a garbage tier avatar in terms of strength
>>47351722
Like a man with tits, of course. Anything else would be sexist.
>>47352188
Wouldn't the culture be completely different, though? You might as well argue that a man can't play any fantasy character without understanding history and what motivated people in the past to do what they did. Not to mention the xenopsychology experience you'd need to play a nonhuman...
>>47352200
I'm just saying, Ripleys gender wasn't really important to fighting xenomorphs. Either way, you're going to get your shit pushed in.
>>47352175
Good job she's hot.
People wouldn't put up with that bitch otherwise.
>>47352211
And you know what, that's a fine starting point. But when the character has like zero development over 3-adventures, that's not good writing or good roleplaying. It's someone with a fetish (I don't necessarily mean in a sexual way) that they don't wana abandon.
It's like the guy who plays a hordog bard that wants to sleep with everything but then never grows up or matures out of that even as it continues to cause misery for himself and everyone around him once the romp in the sheets is over.
I actually roleplay. In one of the many nwod games my friends and I play for a couple sessions then drop, I played a Ventrue vampire whom was simply known as "Her Grace", she was always followed by two ghouls known as Scum and Filth, they worshiped her as an actual Goddess.
>>47352200
We must have watched different movies, because that's exactly how I interpreted those events.
>>47352206
Two different groups. The people who use "man with tits" to describe characters are the ones with strong beliefs in gender roles, who aren't the ones saying there's no difference.
>>47352122
Ripley was only supposed to be a male character in the early drafts. There wasn't any boogeyman "they" who decided to change it. Scott just decided to flip the convention. Sigourney Weaver was actually up against Meryl Streep for the role during auditions.
Indeed most of the reason why Ripley is a good character, was because in the early drafts she wasn't written as a typical Hollywood female character for that time.
>>47352257
>We must have watched different movies, because that's exactly how I interpreted those events.
Perhaps, but it was a subtle thing in that was never directly stated. Otherwise Fett would have wasted all her lines somehow on it and it would have been a whole subplot.
>>47352122
And Sigourney Weaver still managed to convincingly play her as a femenine and at the same time functioning woman in a blue collard job. Amazing,huh?
>>47352306
Fett had lines?
>>47352251
>horndog that wants to sleep with everything but then never grows up or matures out of that even as it continues to cause misery for himself and everyone around him once the romp in the sheets is over.
Fuck, I've got a couple of friends I really wouldn't mind seeing some character development from after 20+ seasons.
>>47352257
But bobba fett was actually just your dad the whole time
>>47352258
Which is hilarious, because they're basically just describing a trans character.
Interestingly enough I have found that both male and female characters are equally inept (and sometimes competent) at cross-gender roleplaying. Both are just as capable of making cringe-worthy fap-baits.
>>47352328
"He's no good to me dead".
And "As you wish."
Oh and that willhelm scream.
>>47352328
That's why he was so good, he had like two lines one sarcastically agree with Vader about no disintegration and hailing his ship.
And the scream.
>>47352122
You have got to look up how Alien was actually written, man, there is a treat waiting for you.
>>47352358
>>47351817
Pretty much this. I've noticed that no matter who I'm playing with, their cross-gendered characters subtly (or not so subtly) conform to stereotypes of how the gender they're playing is presented to them in stuff aimed at their real IRL gender. Ex. Men being marketed to women as sensitive and non-threatening but marketed to males as emotionless badass killing machines.
>>47352352
I wish Bobba Fett was my dad. He wouldn't beat my mom like what her boyfriend, Johnny does.
>>47352352
Somehow that makes him look more intimidating.
>>47352383
"He's no good to me dead"
>>47351722
Since we all know that gender is a social construct, what are women if not men with tits?
>>47352273
Nobody said anything like that, so stop projecting. And I don't know what you're trying to refute here by saying the exact same thing.
>>47352386
That's what the dudes said in the documentary. What other version of the story is there?
>>47352452
>Gender is a social construct
>Gender dysphoria is a genuine medical condition
???
is okay to play a woman as a man if she's a dyke, no?
same for playing a flaming homosexual as a woman
>>47351722
I usually play super conservative women. The first was a lesbian half-Orc fighter, the next was a get the job done human Druid, then the virgin and probably gonna stay that way for a long time half elf paladin.
>>47352481
Roleplaying a character of the opposite sex is always ok unless you're doing it for some weird ass fetish or if it's full of stereotypes.
We're finishing a campaign this weekend,and for the next one I'm planning to play a woman, to see how it goes.
>>47352122
Right, because the actor/actress playing the character adds nothing to it
>>47352188
Thank god were playing pretend
>>47352517
>weird ass fetish or if it's full of stereotypes
Ah, yes. That Guy. Monstergirl character who fucks everything.
>>47351722
I play them as a man but take away all reason and accountability.
>>47352639
This is as good as it gets.
I roleplay male characters as females without tits.
>>47352475
It's great because these things are actually mutually exclusive.
>>47352639
Just the accountability.
>>47352576
I find it more fun to be the human male who tries to get into the pants of the monster girl characters, but that's just me.
>>47352466
>>47352122
IIRC, the original draft was written neuter, with all characters being referred to by part of their name. E.g. always 'Ripley.'
I can't say when they decided it, but I've got a nagging feeling they only did it when they had an actor they thought was best for the role.
>>47352706
Why try to get into her pants when you can just be in her pants all the time?
>>47352358
That's actually something which really frustrates me about trans people, to be honest. So much of it is about gender conformity - having a lot of interests identified with the opposite sex means you identify as a member of the opposite sex, instead of someone who just isn't a traditional member of your biological one.
>>47352689
To play devil's advocate, not necessarily.
I mean even if gender is only a social construct, it's completely possible for people to feel psychological dissonance between what you feel you are and what society tells you that you are. The mind is weird as fuck.
>>47351722
I play a female character as a hideous hag wearing a burqa so she's as difficult to objectify as possible, while making her absolutely flawless and the best at everything so she's not making a statement that one woman is bad at X therefore all women are bad at X, and I make sure she's never in a situation where she might get hurt, be vulnerable or need to be helped by a man.
You know, equality!
>>47352798
If that were the case, simple therapy would be an effective cure, but it's not.
>>47352991
I'll concede you have a point there.
Really, there's so many differences between men and women, even subtle ones like women having a better sense of smell and men having more sweat glands, that I find it hard to buy the whole "gender is purely a social construct" thing. Heck, there's even been research showing that the brains of transgender people are quite different than those of cis people, so it's definitely something more than "feeling different than what society tells you".
Now one could have an argument that Gender Roles are a social construct, which I could find more believable, but even still, there are quite a few things which women naturally find more appealing than men and vice versa.
>>47351722
Op, when you play a male character, do you actually roleplay them or do you just play them like "a woman with a penis"?
I play it like a male pretending to be a female.
Which is perfect, because that's what the character is. Of course it isn't actually a female character, but it's way easier to RP.
>>47353205
According to some research and artistic renderings, a woman with a penis acts pretty differently from a man
>>47351939
I like Korra for one trait. She doesn't give up. She jobs, whines, bitches, moans and cries, but at the end up the day she comes back for more.
The lack of character development was due to shitty planning by the show creators who only planned one season at a time, and never knew what to do with her apart from that, so they just ran the same story three times.
>>47353271
>never knew what to do with her apart from that
That was partly Nicks fault as the creators never even knew if they'd get a full season, let alone three.
Then Nick tried to pull the plug before No.3 was even finished.
>>47353135
SocJus people are weird because they get offended when people don't have a college level understanding of the issues they care about, yet by and large make absolutely no attempt to be understood outside the little bubble of people who agree with them. When they say "gender is a social construct," they actually do mean traditional gender roles, and most of the other things we associate gender beyond the purely biological. The thought that the memetic phrase they've latched onto to express this idea is confusing and easily mocked and nitpicked by their detractors never crosses their minds. It's almost like they care more about smugly circlejerking on the internet about how right they are than actually doing anything.God I hate the left so fucking much, and I'm basically one of them
>>47352991
and therefore further measures are taken
>>47353423
>God I hate the left so fucking much, and I'm basically one of them
Pretty much the same. I'm all for LGTB rights and doing more for economic opportunity, but dammit, self-righteous SocJus-types are making us all look nuts.
>>47353423
I'm right there with you. I'm a man without a country.
>>47353423
>It's almost like they care more about smugly circlejerking on the internet about how right they are than actually doing anything.
Which 4chan also does. The issue is more one with the way internet culture works than it is a left vs. right issue
>>47353423
>get offended when people don't have a college level understanding of the issues they care about, yet by and large make absolutely no attempt to be understood outside the little bubble of people who agree with them
same could be said about large portion of people in academia
>>47353135
>there's even been research showing that the brains of transgender people are quite different than those of cis people
I remember reading that men's brains look a certain way and women's brains look a certain way, and that gay people's brains are actually more similar to the opposite gender's than their own.
>>47353531
>Which 4chan also does. The issue is more one with the way internet culture works than it is a left vs. right issue
Not denying that. I think it's really a millennial issue, linked to that participation award mentality where feeling good is more important than doing good and effort has intrinsic value regardless of results. Now we have a generation of people who think "activism" means posting Facebook statuses that will mostly only be read by people who already agree with you
>>47353545
Academia is the other big problem. Again, they're only interested in communicating with each other and can't be bothered to make themselves comprehensible to anyone who hasn't gone to college, because apparently classism only exists when it intersects with the "isms" they actually care about and it isn't the least bit hypocritical to claim to be a socialist while endlessly mocking (white) lower class stereotypes.
I usually play it like The Boss or Lady Oscar. They're really no different from the men I play, but they're still women, when it counts.
>>47352122
In the original, yes.
Ripley didn't become a symbol of badass maternity until the sequel.
>>47353727
>Now we have a generation of people who think "activism" means posting Facebook statuses that will mostly only be read by people who already agree with you
I see that more from 30somethings than I do from teenagers, and the people I know are about an even mix, age wise.
>>47353774
Aliens was overall a better movie than Alien.
>>47353795
>Aliens was overall a better movie than Alien
Both were good for different reasons, but I agree.
>>47352146
Honestly, after reincarnating between genders for thousand of years. She would have a fucked up sexuality.
>>47353845
>Neill Blomkamp Aliens sequel that brings back Ripley and Hicks and ignores 3 and Resurrection will never come to pass
It hurts to live
>>47353514
This is exactly what people on the right think about Fox News and far-right pundits. Media Republicans give all republicans a bad name. Media Democrats give all democrats a bad name.
>>47352238
Exactly. You should never focus the story about a characters traits. Or create characters on such bases. Just make a good story and see what characters fit.
>>47351722
>do you actually roleplay them
You mean like roleplaying that you have PMS or are bipolar?
>>47353795
>I see that more from 30somethings than I do from teenagers, and the people I know are about an even mix, age wise.
Interesting. I might be overly influenced by the fact I am in my 20's and so are most of the people I'm friends with. I'll definitely concede that the current crop of 15-25 year olds are way more interested in actually shit than the ones we had during the Bush years.
>>47353867
I feel so sorry for you guys. There are plenty of franchises that have been dicked over worse than Alien(s), but few that started off so well.
Under normal circumstances, I play female characters the same as male, but I take efforts to play them as projecting their emotions outwardly more often. For instance, where a male character would tear up or get misty-eyed, a female character would cry openly.
Seems to get the job done.
>>47353423
I spoke with a social sciences guy somewhat recently about the topic of gender being a social construct and gender roles. It's actually prettyinteresting, and it is interesting that some cultures have third "genders" (like two-spirits, etc.). There's probably something to the fact that it's usually a biological male who takes on parts of the female role, but social sciences have a bad habit of not communicating with other branches of science, so the neurologists and the biochemists and such could probably tell a lot about why that is but the social sciences aren't listening. Another guy who got pretty into the social sciences once asked me about whether I thought the scientific method can answer every question, then went on about philosophers who opposed the scientific method and learning about intuition as a tool in social science or something. That guy in particular was also an interesting case of a person who I got to see spiral into madness after his girlfriend dumped him.
Anyway, more on topic of gender as a social construct, I get what they're trying to say with that, but I think that using the term "gender" both confuses people since nobody else is using the definition they're using and also since there are roughly analogous male and female genders/roles which basically always match up perfectly with biological sex, they should probably adjust their dogma a little bit so that it's less rigid and unscientific and all that. I also don't know exactly where they draw the line on genders/roles, as males and females do different things in different cultures but I don't see many of them declaring the, say, male role for American urban blacks being a different gender from the male role for white Scandinavians.
>>47353516
>think gun rights are essential to freedom and liberty cause I actually read the federalist papers which explains why
>thinks socialism is a great idea because Europe was doing it really well until the muslims came
>on that note, hates muslims
>even though I really wanna see ISIS shot to shit, it's obviously not the solution because each time there has been military intervention in the middle east for the past 30 years it gets an order of magnitude worse
>strongly isolationist
>thinks these international trade deals are the worst thing since the third reich
>thinks we really need to move towards a basic income model because if a nation has the ability to provide for its citizens, they should have intrinsic rights to basic needs. Also technology is going to make BI essential to survival of the modern nation state in the near future
>thinks wealth disparity is one of the greatest issues in the world today and we should redistribute wealth by force, since those that have accumulated will not relinquish it willingly
man I don't know what the fuck, I've met approximately 1 other person who feels the same way about a lot of these things.
>>47353205
>having sex with a girl that has a penis doesn't make you gay
The only thing 4chan and tumblr can agree on
>>47354157
I think you're pretty spot on about all of that anon
>>47354157
Actually, this is how most of 4chan feels. You just don't meet a lot of 4chan-esq people irl. And you probably don't want to.
>>47352352
>dad
Just like Lorde
>>47352188
I'll be sure to tell the female player in my group that she cannot roleplay a male character because she does not understand the psychology of what motivates men to do something.
Also, fuck off.
>>47353308
Nick is a wreck at this point. Between muddling with the shows that were good and making them worse and their investment in shit LOLRANDUMB shows, they wouldn't be relying on Spongebob reruns to bring in the majority of their viewers.
>>47351871
Man, Natsuki is handsome.
Like I actually am. When I play as a female, I can forget for a moment my physical form and act how I actually am. No amount of crossdressing or makeup makes me into a woman so roleplaying is my only escape. No matter how girly I look, it will never be enough.
>>47351722
A big reason why this is more difficult is that other players and even the DM may have trouble ignoring the 4th wall and the fact that you are not female. The social aspect of playing a good character is in response to an environment that sees you a certain way and comes with a level of projection and expectation that may or may not fit your goals or motivations.
It helps to have actual women in your group if you're going for believability.
Otherwise it probably won't matter if you're in a phallocentric group. The best you can do is write them like any other character, set limitations and insecurities, give them motivation to surpass these, and knowledge that sexuality is a part of your identity, but not the defining attribute.
>>47351722
I've only played one female character, and it was an androgynous cleric.
My wife has played a male bard though, and she got really into the roll playing, playing him like a womanizer who thinks he's more charming then he actually is.
>>47352103
What is happening in this picture?
>>47352538
Yes, but you're playing pretend the wrong way, and that's deeply problematic wrongfun.
I, myself, grew up in a house with primarily women; I'm simply more adept at playing females than males. Playing males is an oddity, and only happens when I have an interesting concept in mind.
>>47353592
That's a gross misinterpretation. One single structure of the brain appears more like that of the other sex in people with gender dysphoria. This results in a physical sense of unease or disgust in regards to the sexually dimorphic characteristics of their bodies. HRT has been shown to reduce these symptoms, while SRS offers no additional benefit over HRT. There's probably a more precise pharmacological treatment waiting to be discovered but never will be because few psychiatric researchers would be willing to go down that road anymore.
But the point is, the only actual disease that exists is one that results in a physical sensation. Mixing up gender dysphoria with stupid identity politics is retarded and damaging even to those who have the disease.
>>47354157
Fuck off lenin, you fucking faggot. Nobody has a right to stuff, but everyone has the right to own property, so you can eat a dick.
>>47354142
You wanna know the truth? "Gender" was a polite way of saying "sex" until a couple decades ago. Every human who has ever lived has either been male or female. A male who exhibits behavioral patterns most commonly identified with females is just far from the median, not a fundamentally different kind of person, of which there are only two, and only have ever been two. Western society treats people differently depending on their apparent sex, nothing more or less.
>>47354922
>ONLY TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes dear, the world must be a frightening place for you.
>>47354157
I'm with you completely except for that last line anon.
I don't think the we need to distribute the wealth to the poor, I think we should put it in the hands of a non-corrupt institution to do what poor people need done. Buy food, clothes, etc.
I don't trust the people who couldn't climb the ladder to make good choices with their money.
>>47353845
>>47353867
>>47353899
If you love film and are interested about how hollywood works, Alien 3 is a textbook example of how a surefire money printing machine was turned into bland wallpaper paste by constant corporate executive interference.
>>47355010
I'm not saying people should behave a certain way based on what they are, I'm saying that people should stop creating various kinds and numbers of imaginary distinctions to what they are, simply to justify who they are, something that doesn't need justification.
>>47355069
Existence is a constant struggle that you have to fight for or you lose your self determination
>>47352103
>a woman, just a really big one
For you
>>47353867
>Blomkamp
But he's already done 'aliens are a metaphor for my hard, ghetto youth'as every movie he has ever done is a metaphor forso why would he do it again?
>>47353867
Elysium and Chappie were both shit.
>>47352517
>ok unless you're (...) full of stereotypes
that, believe it or not, is okay too
>>47352103
And does the DM introduce a barbarian NPC to swoon over your characters?
>>47353271
>The lack of character development
I dunno.
Season 1 Korra wouldn't have had the gall to keep the portals to the Spirit World open, she just would've been like "I BEAT THE BAD GUY AND STOPPED THE THING, NOW BACK TO STATUS QUO". Likewise, Season 2 Korra wouldn't have had the conflict of self-doubt as the Avatar that came with her defeat(s) at the hands of the Red Lotus.
The character stays true to what she is but she does develop, just like Aang- he doesn't give up on what makes him who he is (to the point where they had to Dragon Turtle Ex Machina a way for him to not kill the big bad), but he does mature and learn.
She starts out as the wide-eyed teen who's ready to take on the world, like the young superhero who just got their powers and thinks that they're in for a life of fun adventures amidst tough scrapes. The burden of power falls heavily upon them, making them properly contextualize their responsibilities at the cost of some of that innocence. They try and fail, but what makes them a hero isn't their supernatural powers, but continuing against adversity when so much is at stake.
All that said, a lot of what went on with Korra could've been accomplished with a male Avatar and it would have made very little difference, save for that her flights of fancy regarding the Mako/Bolin/Asami thing in the first season would have been treated much more harshly with genders swapped.
>>47351871
It means "female character who actually has a personality besides stereotypes".
/r9k/ids think this is bad writing because they believe all women should be frail emotionally volatile moeblobs.
>>47355120
>give yourself over to identity politics
>self-determination
>>47354575
One day, anon, we will have bodies of our own making. We will truly shape ourselves in the image we wish to show the world.
>>47352188
>now excuse me while I go off to roleplay a 1000-year old psychic elf in the year 40,000. I don't have a problem though because it's a male.
>>47355376
>Season 1 Korra wouldn't have had the gall to keep the portals to the Spirit World open
So you're saying she actually got MORE retarded throughout the series. That seems about right. Nearly drowning can do that to you.
>to the point where they had to Dragon Turtle Ex Machina a way for him to not kill the big bad
This was one of the worst parts of book 3.
>>47351722
When I play a female character, I simply think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
>>47355376
>>47355454
Korra was hands down the worst Avatar. She is such a massive fuck-up that she actually managed to destroy the whole Avatar-Reincarnation while somehow interpreting that BALANCE BETWEEN TWO WORLDS is FUSING THEM TOGETHER.
Nevermind that it means that after Korra there wont be any Avatars anymore either. Leave it to a woman to fuck up everything for everyone forever.
>>47355069
Yeah man, philosophy is the same way. There have only ever been two opposing schools of thought, the Stoics and the Epicureans. Everything else is just a variation on those themes, I don't understand why people feel the need to keep creating imaginary new schools of thought in an attempt to explain the nature of reality
Reading that back, even I have to acknowledge that that's obtuse as hell, so here's the point. Just like philosophy, our understanding of the human experience is evolving constantly, and language evolves along with it to reflect our current understanding. We talk about people being gender fluid for the same reason we don't think that motion is logically impossible anymore, or that all matter is composed of monads. Complaining about people using newer definitions because the old ones still work fine for you is hilariously outmoded at best, and unintentionally malicious at worst.
>>47355615
Yes there will, it's just that the next avatar will only have korra as a spirit guide
>>47355581
kek
>>47355615
>Nevermind that it means that after Korra there wont be any Avatars anymore either
Korra saved Raava from Vaatu. The cycle will continue.
>somehow interpreting that BALANCE BETWEEN TWO WORLDS is FUSING THEM TOGETHER
To be fair, no other Avatar had to fight a Dark Avatar infused with the power of Vaatu either, and the Spirit World being so separate from the regular world was an unnatural construct that was antiquated.
>>47355659
Except that there's no actual justification for changing these dictions. It's not rooted in any kind of reality. To regard a self appointed title/descriptor of your personality as being as or more important to your physical state as the actual biological reality of what you are is pure nonsense and misses the point about why society bothers to distinguish people by sex, which is due to the high number of physiological differences associated with whether or not you are actually male or female.
>>47355719
>To be fair, no other Avatar had to fight a Dark Avatar infused with the power of Vaatu either
Which she wouldn't have had to do if she hadn't been retarded and realized she could just close the southern spirit portal from the outside until the convergence was over.
>and the Spirit World being so separate from the regular world was an unnatural construct that was antiquated.
It fucking WORKED. Humanity was at the brink of extinction before the separation, afterward humans and spirits were both seemingly happy inhabiting their own separate realms of existence.
>>47355769
Please take your suicidal thoughts from this thread and think about what you just said. While the statement you said is complete bullshit, your weak appeal to "physiology" and "biology" reveals you to be a naturalistic block-head who gladly would shove your head up an elephant's ass if it was biologically predetermined for you to do.
>>47355012
I'm no fan of wealth distribution, but come now, not everyone who's poor is poor of their own making and doesn't mean they don't want to improve their lives, but if all their time and energy goes into just not losing their house and feeding their family, there's not much time left over for making yourself an innovative multi-millionaire.
>>47354575
There there
>>47355978
>you're a suicidal naturalistic block-head because you think that a dude calling themselves a demi-sexual genderfluid twinsoul is just nonsense they came up with to try to rationalize and justify a perceived incongruity between how they want to behave and how they think they are supposed to behave.
>>47351722
What?
Just play a character, dude. Women are less different from you than you are from a northern steppe barbarian and you cover that fine.
>>47356098
>all trans people are demipolitical twilightkin because it's easier to argue with strawmen than not be a fucktard
>>47356098
don't get mad at him friend.We are on a board full of people who are really good at pretending to be things they aren't :^)
>>47356098
No, you're a suicidal naturalistic block-head because you think that man should give two fucking shits about what his body "predetermines" him to fucking be, and that he/she cannot use his rational mind to break free from the physical world that birthed it. Sure, he might be delusional from a rational standpoint, but you are so fucking moronic that you DO NOT ARGUE ON A RATIONAL BASIS, but rather appeal to your holy grail that is "biology", one you must suppose is so powerful that we must put our minds on the shelf and grunt around like animals who just recently rose from the primordial soup.
Now fuck off.
>>47356177
Having gender dysphoria doesn't actually make you in any way the other sex. The binding of of identity politics to something which is ultimately a small neurological defect has confounded and severely overly complicated treatment for what is actually a much simpler disease. A male with gender dysphoria is not physically or mentally a woman in any sense, they simply have neurological miswiring associated with their reproductive system, which produces negative physical sensation. These symptoms can be reduced or eliminated by HRT alone. It has nothing to do with identity.
>>47356235
>You are not arguing rationally!
>stop using biology!
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>>47356270
>not using biology as a source of inductive reasoning to use in a rational debate
>instead of merely appealing to it as a higher source of knowledge
>>47356235
>No, you're a suicidal naturalistic block-head because you think that man should give two fucking shits about what his body "predetermines" him to fucking be
I already said "act how you want to act". All I'm asking is you don't attempt to implement any ultimately imaginary distinctions you created to describe yourself, to other people, especially on the institutional level. Society does, and should, only consider the biological sex because that's what can actually make a difference in important matters like physical capacity, clinical concerns, plumbing requirements, possibility of pregnancy (current or potential).
>>47356177
But trans people are literally equivalent to otherkin.
They literally believe they are something they are for a fact not.
>>47355769
Fellow anon is crass, but some of the criticisms are valid, couched though they are in vitriol. Saying that a person's 'biological reality' is the end all be all of the human experience is laughably reductionist, as it states that people can only view the world through one of two lenses, and the lens you use can't be changed, regardless of the experiences you go through or the people that you meet. It also opens the door to arguments like changes in my physical state have major influences on my personality at a fundamental level that persist until the changes are corrected. Which is basically talking about Humorism.
>>47356299
I never said a trans person shouldn't have their fucking body treated like that of the opposite, only their mind. Besides, society inherently act on a social basis, the interaction between two or more personalities, so yes, society should treat trans people like the gender they identify whit.
>>47352481
god damn she'd be so much cuter if she had long hair. what a babe.
I play chicks who are badass survivors, one of my co players at the time told me I was playing her wrong because I wasn't playing a cute girl. I haven't gamed with him since.
>>47356299
>>47356356
And sorry m8, I suppose I was mistaken about you.
>>47355821
>>everyones happy now! what could possibly go wrong in the future
while yes this is a dumb tv show and you are probably right, if you tried this logic in a game with a real story you would be responsible for massacres of deaths for your inaction. Uniting both worlds is the genre savy thing to do.
>>47356332
As I already stated, act and think however you will. Who you are is not What you are. What I'm saying is that to describe yourself or other people in a not only subjective, but completely imaginary manner is a bad idea when you try to apply it to any sort of rule or law.
>It also opens the door to arguments like changes in my physical state have major influences on my personality at a fundamental level that persist until the changes are corrected. Which is basically talking about Humorism.
Humorism was wrong because it wasn't based on imperial data. But your assumption that physical state doesn't affect your personality is incorrect. Gender dysphoria itself is a result of a physical defect in at least one part of the brain. There are well documented cases of people suffering cerebral trauma suddenly having their personalities, interests, and even abilities altered as a result. There's even some evidence to suggest that these effects aren't limited strictly to the neurology, for example, it has been observed that botox treatment, which decreases the ability to make facial expressions, leads to the person having decreased emotional capacity.
>>47356098
Different anon chiming in.
I've been described as an LGBT ally before, and I kind of agree with you.
LGBT, plus A (asexual) and I (intersex [that is, when you're actually born with both sets of genitals]) make sense to me. Demi-this, that-fluid, and pan-whatever sound like utter bullshit to me.And to the bi cismale, asexual cisfemale, and several transpeople of varying orientations I hang out with.
>>47356305
Transsexuals have some kind of body dysmorphia. transgenders are just a modern cultural reaction the dissolution of outdated gender roles and the ephemeral nature of society's variouse definitions of masculinity and femininity.
>>47356356
Men and women are treated differently based on the physical differences between men and women. So therefore, regardless of what you "identify with" (a concept which, incidentally, is divorced from any clinical reality), society should treat people by what they are. And if society treats people differently on the basis of sex for purposes where such a difference is irrelevant, that difference should be removed.
>>47356305
Trans people have brains more akin to the other sex's than to their own, especially in how they respond to male/female hormones.
You can say that their brains are the problem; they can say that their bodies are the problem. You're both right, in a sense.
And since it's their brain and body, I fiugre they should be allowed to do with it as they will.
Does that obligate you to refer to a transwoman as Mary rather than Mark, or use female pronouns? No.
But it's kinda douchey not to.
>>47352798
Gender is a social construct alright, but with strong biological bases and cultural weight.
I still remember this guy from middle age Scotland complaining about how single men wore their skirts too short and liked to flash their manparts to the village girls and described some sort of obscene dance they did to entice females in such a way that I could only describe as twerking.
But that doesn't mean that because gender (as things women and men should do) is constructed, biological sex traits (the large ammount of cromosomes, brain architecture, hormonal buildup, genetic makeup, manifest external characteristics) ought to be put in the same box and then tossed aside.
>>47351722
Also, you should reword your thread so that it doesn't look like femfreq levels of bait plz. You can even use the same question and elicit a lot of responses without damaging the board.
>>47352352
Actually, that's Don Bies standing in for Jeremy Bulloch, he was only there for a couple scenes of the special edition of Jedi. Boba Fett's actually more of a hot dad
>>47356488
"Intersex" is not distinct from male or female in humans or mammals in general. All mammals are male or female depending on whether or not they have an expressed Y chromosome. "Intersex" is a clinical term describing babies who are born with ambiguous genitalia, resulting from congenital malformations of various sorts. But these are ultimately surface level aberrations, not grounds for categorization of the person as a whole, in the same way a man does not cease to be a man if he loses his penis in an accident.
It's also worth noting that no mammal is ever born with functional sets of both genitals. Sometimes people are born with what may resemble a penis and a vagina, but absolutely no one has both testes and ovaries. Additionally, anatomically, so called "hermaphrodites" typically don't have anatomically functional external genitalia. The vagina is malformed, or the urethra doesn't pass through the "penis", or any number of probable issues. Luckily, at least in industrialized nations, most children born with genital malformations which impede function (especially when they interfere with urination) can be surgically repaired.
>>47352417
You need to kick Johnnies ass, or just do many dirty tricks to him. And fuck your mom for puting you in such a toxic situation.
>>47356473
Why is it a bad idea to allow people to adopt descriptions that they're comfortable and have the law support that? Let's use the recent bathroom bills as an example. What does it affect to allow the trans community to use the bathroom they're comfortable with? Because all legislating against it has done is get people called out for using the 'wrong' bathroom when all they were guilty of was not fitting another person's perception of what a woman or a man ought to look like.
Right, by why is gender dysphoria a difference in one's 'biological reality' more so than, say, having a headache, or being an amputee? That's such a broad term that it could mean literally anything. Do I become a fundamentally different person if I'm hungry? Why not?
>>47356543
>Trans people have brains more akin to the other sex's than to their own,
Wrong wrong wrong.
There is one PART of their brain which is more like the other sex. This "mismatching" results in a negative physical sensation, and nothing more. The conflating of this real disease with gender politics only serves to confuse and worsen the social standing of people with gender dysphoria.
>>47356488
>Demi-sexual
Essentially the person is only aroused by someone they have a close emotional bond with. It's really fucking silly, but would be harmless if people didn't act like special butterflies because of it.
>gender-fluid
The only real legitimate one of the three. Essentially the person swings between genders at random, uncontrolled intervals of time. It is actually often an indication that the person is transgender.
>pansexual
Basically another word for bisexual, but with the caveat that it recognizes trans/intersex people (as opposed to just men and women). While I would say it is good to have as a more precise term, it is either used so that someone can distance themselves from being seen as bi for social reasons, or because they want to be special snowflakes.
>>47356505
I pretty much must disagree with you, but I suppose that is due to our different perspectives on society, rather than some different view on gender. As long as you are willing to accept someone despite their identity being different than their sex, I ultimately have no problem with you.
>>47356684
M8, trans people very often have brain masses correlating with their identified gender rather than their original sex.
>>47356650
My bad: wasn't trying to say that it's distinct from male and female. More that it's something that can understandibly cause issues in someone's life, like being asexual.
My asexual friend doesn't just get hit on (which since she's /fit/ a 6'2" redhead with legs for days, she does, a lot): she also gets accused of lying about being ace, told that she just needs a good fucking from a REAL [sex of speaker], and one time someone took a swing at her for shooting him down.
>>47356674
>Why is it a bad idea to allow people to adopt descriptions that they're comfortable and have the law support that?
Because there should be no laws where people's self described identity is relevant. If a law acts on a difference between men and women, it is only just if that difference in policy exists because of an actual, physical difference between men and women.
>Let's use the recent bathroom bills as an example. What does it affect to allow the trans community to use the bathroom they're comfortable with?
Bathrooms are separate for three reasons: to keep people from fucking in the bathrooms as much (mostly in the context of public schools), for privacy concerns, and because people without penises have different plumbing requirements than people who do. The third is very important. But there are two other issues at play here, the first of which is that people are afraid of ordinary lechers going into the wrong bathroom under the guise of being "trans". The second one, which people are less open about, is that many are afraid of the consequences of normalizing the existence of transgender behavior to children. Which, arguably, they should, given the impressionable nature of children.
>Because all legislating against it has done is get people called out for using the 'wrong' bathroom when all they were guilty of was not fitting another person's perception of what a woman or a man ought to look like.
I'm not defending overzealous reactionaries who don't even know why they stand for the things they do.
>Right, by why is gender dysphoria a difference in one's 'biological reality' more so than, say, having a headache, or being an amputee?
As far as the headache goes, that's very minor and more importantly, transient. But as far as amputation goes, consider phantom limb syndrome, which is in some respects remarkably similar to the symptoms of gender dysphoria.
>>47356810
To be perfectly frank, people negatively reacting to being shot down isn't a result of her being asexual, but their own insecurity. Not to defend their abhorrent behavior, but it's not like it's some kind of bias. People just don't like to be told "no", whatever the reason.
>which since she's /fit/ a 6'2" redhead with legs for days
>and one time someone took a swing at her for shooting him down.
That does not seem smart.
>>47356720
In one anatomical feature of the brain, yes. Not the entire neurology.
>>47356684
>>47356720
Here m8, been a while since I saw it last, so that stamens isn't entirely true, but otherwise it isn't some random mis wiring.
http://openmindedhealth.com/2012/01/transsexual-brain-studies/
>>47355686
>only have korra as a spirit guide
....that poor earthbender....
>>47356853
>plumbing
>very important
As a man, I have never given a shit that a unisex restroom (which some smaller buildings have where I live) lacked a urinal. Did you mean something else?
>people are afraid of ordinary lechers going into the wrong bathroom under the guise of being "trans".
Man, if only restrooms had, like, stalls with doors!
>The second one, which people are less open about, is that many are afraid of the consequences of normalizing the existence of transgender behavior to children. Which, arguably, they should, given the impressionable nature of children.
That's bullshit. Seeing a transperson won't make your kid trans, or even make them a crossdresser. You explain to your kid what transsexuality is, and they carry on with their little lives, being cis if they were born cis or trans if they were born trans.
>>47351722
Both at the same time, because why notNice bait
>>47351835
>Ripley
>Man with tits
Boy, oh boy...
>>47356885
>To be perfectly frank, people negatively reacting to being shot down isn't a result of her being asexual, but their own insecurity. Not to defend their abhorrent behavior, but it's not like it's some kind of bias. People just don't like to be told "no", whatever the reason.
True, but she told me she got a lot less shit about it when she lied about having a boyfriend than when she said she just wasn't into sex. Don't ask me why.
>That does not seem smart.
She also does Krav, so it really, really wasn't.It's for the best that my pudgy ass got over my crush on her; I could never keep up with her, physically. Plus I'd miss sex.
>>47356885
>That does not seem smart.
People are not really smart when it comes to hitting on people. In fact, I would say that a lot of social courtship ritual depends on us suddenly becoming completely retarded about the whole thing.
Given how many dudes I've seen start yelling and even threatening some of my female friends for shooting them down, even though there were four of us clearly-her-friends dudes just besides the target in question... what previous anon said doesn't really surprise me in the slightest.
>>47356949
I should wacth this again what is the name of it?
>>47356977
>Fucking men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death and destruction...
>>47353867
Nope, it's pretty much happening at this point. A lot of the actors have a greed to comeback, the script is there, Fox supports it and it has Sott's blessing after he's done with the Prometheus sequel.
>>47357060
Is it? I thought they were putting it on hold because of another movie Ridley Scott is making.
>>47356916
I was referring to the BSTc
The findings regarding the INAH3 suggest that differences between transgendered and cisgendered people of the same sex was due to medical treatments. This in turn calls further studies into question, which while apparently controlling for whether or not the people in question had completed "transition", did not apparently control for whether or not the person had already started hormones. Your own link paints the picture clearly: there is only one part of the brain which has been identified as being sexually dimorphic and being "mix matched" in transgender people regardless of hormonal status, the BSTc.
Additionally, these studies are rather small, and lack of follow up publication is telling.
>>47357034
Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising
Arguably the best /tg/-related film in existence.
>>47357180
yeah I watched it when I first starting to /tg/ with a bunch of other people from here
>>47356929
>As a man, I have never given a shit that a unisex restroom (which some smaller buildings have where I live) lacked a urinal. Did you mean something else?
For smaller buildings it makes little difference. But in a high volume environment like a school, stadium, or theater, logistical concerns come into play, IE, getting people into and out of the bathroom with high efficiency.
>Man, if only restrooms had, like, stalls with doors!
Locker rooms are included in most of the debate regarding these laws and regulations
>That's bullshit. Seeing a transperson won't make your kid trans, or even make them a crossdresser.
Seeing transpeople won't cause your kid to develop gender dysphoria, no, but it could cause them to imitate such behavior. The primary consequence of this is parents jumping the gun and assuming a child which has displayed aberrant behavior is actually transgendered, when in fact they were just being a dumb kid. There is a unnerving trend in parents applying HRT to prepubescent and early pubescent children who are literally too young for any of the actual symptoms of gender dysphoria to have appeared, which is bad, because applying HRT to children to don't have the disease produces symptoms very similar to that of a person who does have the disease and goes untreated. Primarily, very high rates of suicide. Obviously, a parent afraid of such an outcome for their own child has the power to say "no, we'll wait and see". But there's concern than increasing normalization this activity will soon see that authority stripped out of their hands. It's already illegal in some places for a therapist to tell someone interested in HRT that it might not be the best option in their case.
>>47357206
>It's already illegal in some places for a therapist to tell someone interested in HRT that it might not be the best option in their case.
Wait, what in the fuck? Isn't telling people what is or isn't in a patient's best interests literally their job?
>>47357180
I still pretend the 3rd film never happend. Or just skip the god-awful scenes with Gary and Lodge-Joanna drama if I still want some baseball, democracy and apple pie
>>47357290
>Not understanding what the job of therapist is about
>>47357206
>logistical concerns come into play, IE, getting people into and out of the bathroom with high efficiency.
It sounds like you're saying either that locations will halve the total number of restrooms, or that taking a staning piss into a seat takes moticeably longer than doing so into a urinal.
The latter is demonstrably false, and the former--while possible--would be jaw-droppingly retarded on the part of the location owners regardless of the cause.
>Locker rooms are included in most of the debate regarding these laws and regulations
One more reason not to have these laws and regulations, then. The current system keeps pervs out, and actual trans people change in the attached restroom's stalls or the like. It's inconvenient and sometimes dangerous, but I don't know one trans person who wants bathrooms to change "for them".
>Seeing transpeople won't cause your kid to develop gender dysphoria, no, but it could cause them to imitate such behavior.
So could Looney Tunes.
>There is a unnerving trend in parents applying HRT to prepubescent and early pubescent children who are literally too young for any of the actual symptoms of gender dysphoria to have appeared
So your problem is retarded parents, not trans people.
>But there's concern than increasing normalization this activity will soon see that authority stripped out of their hands. It's already illegal in some places for a therapist to tell someone interested in HRT that it might not be the best option in their case.
I'm going to have to ask for a link supporting this claim.
>>47351998
Moot had delicious boobs back in the day
>>47357379
*standing
*noticeably
Fuck I'm drunk.
>>47357290
I think the idea was to stop therapists from telling /everyone/ interested not to do HRT, under the guise of individual diagnosis.
Psychiatry and sociology are both more lefty and more of a private club than the rest of clinical and research medicine. I would argue due to the inherently more subjective nature of their field.
>>47352200
>>47352171
>implying original trilogy Boba Fett couldn't have just been a flat chested chick who smoked too much, or a robot for that matter
Seriously Boba Fett was a total non entity. Completely forgetable except for the cool armor
>>47357098
Fine, I'll actually state my position in the argument. Take it for the ancedote it is.
I am a pre-transitioning mtf, and your insistence that the only part of me that is sexually dimorphic is a portion is ridiculous, as I rarely even fucking have dysphoria anymore. Sure, I had it when I first realized I was trans, and have occasional spouts of it ever once and a while, yet I still feel/reason that the very core of my mental gender is female. In an ideal world (and not acting to be a man) the way I would express myself is far more indicative of being a female, and I value maternity, while finding paternity strange and alien. Lastly, I can find no compulsion to keep my "masculinity", and in fact have always hated the idea of it being forced on me (socially). I can find no reason that my gender is not that of a female. In fact, I am optimistic that medicine will reach the point where I can change my complete biology to match my identity.
>>47357457
If Boba Fett was a girl Han Solo would have hit on her all the time tho
>>47357555
>you will never see Leia pulling Bobbi's hair in a fit of jealousy
>>47357540
>In fact, I am optimistic that medicine will reach the point where I can change my complete biology to match my identity.
You know what they say: 'hope is the first step on the road to disappointment'.
>>47357540
These aspects of your mental condition are not due to gender dysphoria. They could be due to any number of possible reasons, including co-morbid mental or personality disorder (which is common for people with GD), psychological adaptation to the GD, or simply a highly divergent natural state, which while individually rare, would be inevitable in a population.
If you don't experience dysphoria, there is no reason for you to change your body. Such a procedure would be costly, inconvenient, and probably end up doing you more harm than good.
>>47357647
>tfw Random Trans Imperial Guardsperson lives and dies a lie while up-hive nobles get their brains put into custom-grown bodies
Down with the Imperium! Praise Slaanesh!
>>47351722
Man with tits.
I find there's functionally little difference.
My years of research have brought me to the stunning conclusion that women are, in fact, people.
Gender isn't relevant in a majority of situations.
>>47356299
>>biological sex
biological sex is fucking imaginary you twat. its a social convenience, not a genetic reality. thats why intersex people exist. By any criteria you define a woman as, there are people who are born women who suddenly wont qualify. Example XY chromosome women exist. Women who can't reproduce exist. Women born without a womb or have have hysterectomies exist. Women who are born with inter sex features exist. there are women with even grosser shit like hair in unfemale places on their body. Either none of these things are essential, or you need to act consistent and force people to turn in their woman card and be registered as a man.
I honestly don't give a shit about forcing social perceptions of old crods to change, anyone that feels uncomfortable to call a transsexual "she" or "he" can feel free to use "they" if they aren't a dick, and their birth gender if they are. the issue comes when you tools try to legislate blocks because of your shoddy opinions. The existence of the definition of sex in the public and legal sphere is one of convenience and utility, not philosophy.
>>47357679
>>47357679
Sure, I might have OCD, but that is pretty much the only mental illness I have, and my medication has changed nothing. In fact, realizing that I am transgender has only made me stronger, crushing the insecure nature that so dominated my life before the realization.
>phycological adaptation
No can do honey. My dysphoria, while I always believed existed in me below the surface, happened when I began to realize I was transgender.
Lastly, why should I not reject the mutable physical cage of atoms that holds my mind should I wish to do so? Was mankind's flight to the moon costly, inconvenient, and possibly causing death ? Then why should should those risks stop me? If I fall, I shall fall like Prometheus, struck down by nature for denying fate. Yet, if I succeed, then I have only gained victory over the most basic thing that nature has confined me to: my sex.
>>47358064
>there are intersex peopels!!!!!
>SO THEY SHUD B CALLD WIMMINS NAWT INTERSEX LIKE ALL SCIENTIFIC CLASSIFICATIONS DO
TUMBLRRRSSSSDADSADSASD
>>47358064
>biological sex is fucking imaginary you twat.
No, it is very much a real phenomena in most multi cellular life.
>thats why intersex people exist
"intersex" people are people born with malformations of the genitals. But just like how a man losing his penis in an accident doesn't make him not male, "intersex" people are still either male or female. Mammalian sex is determined by whether or not there is an expressed Y chromosome, not individual anatomical features.
>By any criteria you define a woman as, there are people who are born women who suddenly wont qualify. Example XY chromosome women exist.
The criteria given to me by my genetics professor in undergrad, which I've corroborated with a coupe physiology professors, for describing mammalian sex is as follows: A male has an expressed Y chromosome, a female does not. By "XY female" I assume you're describing total androgen insensitivity. Yes, these people are women, because their Y chromosome is silenced and therefore not expressed.
>Women who are born with inter sex features exist.
Absolutely, luckily this can usually be fixed with surgery when it impedes function.
>the issue comes when you tools try to legislate blocks because of your shoddy opinions. The existence of the definition of sex in the public and legal sphere is one of convenience and utility, not philosophy.
Philosophy is bollocks, biology is reality, and the reality is that all humans are male or female, and there are important, in many cases legally relevant consequences to these differences. The REAL issue we're facing right now is people like you conflating arguably unnecessary tradition with the existence of actual sexual dimorphism and its relevance to medicine and law.
>>47358105
>Lastly, why should I not reject the mutable physical cage of atoms that holds my mind should I wish to do so?
If you want to, I don't really care, the problem comes with many people suggesting that such procedures are a medical necessity and therefore treated like any other cure. Which directly costs the taxpayer, in most countries, even america. Your transcendence should not occur in an even partially subsidized medical system.
>>47353271
Isn't that every generic shonen protag or whatever? It's not like it's easy to make a show about someone who gives up in act one.
>>47358179
what has been seen...
>>47357457
>Seriously Boba Fett was a total non entity. Completely forgetable except for the cool armor
Someone needs to watch Episode V again.
Let's break it down. The first time you see Boba Fett is when D. Vader is busy hiring the lowest, most dangerous scum in the galaxy to go after Han Solo.
Han Solo. Legendary smuggler, hero of the alliance (though he wonders why.)
Darth Vader. Mailed fist of the emperor, who has demonstrated willingness to choke ALLIES to death for stupid questions, let alone failure. And these are all people willing to meet with him on the Executor, at the heart of his power.
It pans across. You see some trandoshan, some other crazy alien or two as Vader is issuing his orders, IG-88. And then fucking Boba Fett, in, admittedly, cool-ass armor. And Darth Vader, legendary villain, stops in front of Fett and finishes, "-and I want them ALIVE. NO disintegrations*."
And what does Boba Fett do in response to being given a direct (irate-sounding) order by the most powerful, violent man in the galaxy? (Emperor might be more powerful, but he's got nothing on Vader for pure I'ma-cut-you violence)
Boba Fett gives a cool little nod. "I gotchu, senpai." Not intimidated in the slightest, not even fazed. Like if Vader decides to chimp out and start murdering fools left and right, Fett's got a few plans on tap, just in case. Sure, he might get owned by blind Han Solo, and that's fine, wouldn't want him to become a bearer of indestructible plot armor like batman or something.
>>47358756
*Indicating, of course, that Boba Fett has had a... history of disintegrations, or being overly-destructive, maybe. Yes, obviously he doesn't do anything more than what's seen on screen in the movies, that's a tautology- but one of the strongest features Lucas managed to instill in the prequels was the illustration of a universe off-screen through little references and indications. The Senate. The Kessel run. The Clone Wars. All that stuff that had no explanation beyond what it could conjure in the viewer's mind in the half-second or so before the movie continued on. (And yeah, star wars was a hit success and writers felt the need to go back and expand on every single one of those to the point where every bounty hunter in the lineup has a name and novel or three and even the guy who wore the stupid helmet and pressed the 'fire' button on the Deathstar has a wookipedia page. That's not the point.)
>>47355659
>>47355769
I'm a XX male.
What am I to you?
>I call my straight wife a lesbian to annoy her
>but seriously
>genes or appearances?
>>47358756
In retrospect, isn't this probably due more to fett actually already knowing vader? He was already working for palps in the separatist wars. The same way that vader and tarkin were cool cause they were war buddies?
>>47355188
Gods dammit Pyter
>>47358810
There is no such thing as an XX male. That's not to say a woman can't dress and act in the way males do in their society, nor does it mean that your lesbian wife can't or shouldn't call you "he", but it doesn't change what you are. Sex is not strictly genes or appearance, but whether or not male genetic EXPRESSION is occurring. This has some bearing on outward physical appearance (most notably and immutably, size and bone structure, but also hair patterns and fat distribution and a few other things, which to some degree can be modulated through hormone therapy), but most sexually dimorphic features fall within the normal range of the other sex (IE, an average height female would only be considered short for a male of the same population, not improbably small).
>>47358861
Could be, but he was working on the other side from Anakin, wasn't he?
And it's still pretty removed from the first series, which was all anyone had to on for the first decade or whatever.
>>47358988
I'm talking about de la Chapelle syndrome.
I literally have a dick and balls. I have never had female sex organs, not even gynécomastia.
I am also sterile as fuck and can't grow facial hair.
And if I would commit a crime and leave DNA, the police would be looking for a woman.
So to you I'm a woman, since my chromosomes are XX, because I fall within "sexually dimorphic features fall within the normal range of the other sex".
A woman is BORN with a dick and balls and you refuse to call them a man or consider the idea that there might be more than two sexes for a small number of us? Weird.
>>47354668
Two of the toughest characters in the show encounter eachother in the middle of nowhere.
They fight.
>>47359186
>sterile as fuck and can't grow facial hair.
>cant tell the gender difference between him and wife
This is obvious, you are an Elf.
>>47352041
i know i am
>>47359135
Yeah that's fair, bobba was popular before the prequels
But my basis for bobba and vader being friends lies in the fact that mace windu killed his dad, and then anakin helped kill windu
>>47359186
I did not know about this disease. You are male because you have functional Y chromosomal expression, the genes for which were incorrectly appended to an X chromosome.
Thank you for bringing this up, as it is another demonstration about how expression, not genetic material itself, is what determines phenotype
>>47359216
I only discovered it after our wedding, which makes it even more awkward.
>elf
But wait, can't elves mate with humans?
What is she?!
But social dynamics. You guys can state nature makes us the same all you want but it doesn't change nurture.
Being male, tapping into the parts of my brain that feel what I think are more feminine feelings while rping is a fun time, since feeling them in real life would lead to weird circumstances.
The biggest thing is more of an emphasis on physical embodiment - At least culturally in the west, men are encouraged to be rationalbots, while women are expected to be feelbots.
Rationality is very powerful tool but can lead to feelings of seperation, "I gotta prove I'm right, because if I'm not right then THE WHOLE WORLD MAKES NO SENSE", and macho posturing.
Meaning residing more in the senses than in rationalisation is more directly rewarding, so more "this is disgusting" and "that makes me happy" are more bodily felt, but this leads to greater impulsiveness.
>tfw playing in female!think and a huge burly dude gives you safe hugs
>dat safety, dat warmth, everything is fine
similarly
>something could potentially jeapordise the mission
>flip my shit and kill them NOW and dispose of the body
>>47359417
Still a human, see, you need to find a changling, because, you know, you are an elf, thats totally how elves reproduce.
technically my character doesn't have tits anymore because she's been wearing magical 24/7 armor that slowly eats your flesh for decades now. she's just a head.
now my question is: does that still count as "man with tits"?
>>47351722
I play female characters and manage to do so without turning them into men with boobs. Take some writing classes and stop reading shitty /tg/ threads for advice
>>47355012
>>47356043
There are many different ways of doing wealth redistribution. Higher taxes and a universal income would go a long way toward that.
It would even save a large amount of money as many other social programs could be eliminated entirely.
>>47359565
So They can blow it on drugs and gambling? Fuck that. All you're redistributing is the sectors that rich people do buisiness in.
>>47359186
Do you look like a qt grill?
>>47359596
It isn't any different than things are now. People will seek out escapes if they are unhappy. That will never change. The best you can do is legalize them, which reduces crime, increases tax revenue, and makes seeking help when/if they decide they want better all the more easy.
>>47358461
>"intersex" people are people born with malformations of the genitals. But just like how a man losing his penis in an accident doesn't make him not male, "intersex" people are still either male or female. Mammalian sex is determined by whether or not there is an expressed Y chromosome, not individual anatomical features.
no dumbass. those aren't malformations, theyre mutations. mutations drive evolution and biology. theyre not mistakes, theyre part of what makes shit run, and nothing you bitched about is a mistake, they aren't killed. the only people who would kill them, are the retards like you who insist everything needs to fall into neat little lines.
Sex isn't a fake phenominon you collasal retard. its just not a binary one because if it were a binary one it would be fucking static and it's not.
>expressed Y
women with Y chromosomes are expressed Y chromosomes. they have male features you collosal retard. they are just immune to a lot of them because they are immune to androgens. there you go, Y is expressed, women remains, unless you go and take away all of their sex and turn them to males in the public registry, you are factually wrong.
>Absolutely, luckily this can usually be fixed with surgery when it impedes function.
Yes, just as transexualism can be. oh other than the fact that no, sometimes no matter what you do you can't fix it 100% with surgery can you. guess both aren't women.
>The criteria given to me by my genetics professor in undergrad,
is irrelevant because it's not used to determine what is written on the god damn certificate.
>>47359258
Not an unreasonable basis, but I can't agree with the conclusion. I don't think Vader had any friends, (Anakin did, but as Obi-wan said, he died) and Fett was too... you know, professional, to bother with things like that. Though I'm probably basing that off of EU.
>>47359644
> and the reality is that all humans are male or female
calling a delusion science is expected of plenty of retards in the scientific community, not just religious extremists, but it paints you more as the latter, becuase while you have the information to know you are objectively wrong you insist on impressing your own broken philosophy on the granularity of life into a blanket statment dichotemy that litterally and factually does not work, instead of just talking shit about something you know nothing about like the group of retarded ass hats who though their degree in psychology or the like gave their opinion more weight on topcis like climate change.
>>47358179
>durr eyem retarded
Do you think most intersexed individuals read "intersexed" on their birth certificate? most of that shit is fixed before it's even known.
>>47359596
If poor people had sufficient income they'd spend it on bills, food, clothes, electronics and local travel(public transport, fuel costs).
Inconsistent and insufficient income means that augmenting your life with shit that hits you with dopamine, like drugs or gambling, becomes a way to not feel completely shit and depressed all the time.
Are you against rich people spending money on drugs and gambling, or just poor people?
>>47359626
So we spend money to try to get people to quit wasting the free money they're given
Or, we can just keep subsidizing food and housing
I don't like this thread anymore
>>47359677
I'm against spending aid on frivolities, no matter the income bracket.
And your insistance that greater aid would result in greater frugality is naive
>>47359484
>tfw no big strong woman to hold me in her arms and make me feel safe
American women are too small. I wish I was a manlette.
>>47359689
>So we spend money to try to get people to quit wasting the free money they're given
But it isn't a waste tho. People are free to do as they choose (in the more libertarian sense). Some will choose to live short lives filled with drugs and never working a day. But most people would chose a life that includes at least some work.
Besides, we already have a solution to the costs of helping people, so called 'sin taxes' taxes on alcohol, cigarettes, etc. The same taxes would apply to newly legalized drugs.
>>47359644
>they're not mistakes
Except they're usually sterile. So yes, they are.
>>47359769
But it wouldn't be aid in the sense you are thinking.
Rather it is universal, everyone, from the person that doesn't work at all to the one that earns 20m a year, would get that income.
Aren't women exactly the same as men
>>47359769
You greatly underestimate the importance of frivolity for human survival. Humans aren't just robots that eat and stay warm - they need emotional fulfillment to stay physically healthy and to have purpose for living.
If they are in a shitty situation that cannot easily provide purpose (living in an area with no work, or in an abusive family for example) then drugs & gambling can provide a bandaid for emotional survival.
A strong universal income would improve the capacity for independance, which would facilitate travel to a better area for work or independant living outside of abusive homes.
I understand that you do not empathise with people in monetarily difficult situations due to your background, but please try have some compassion for people that aren't just like you.
