I wrote myself into a dead end.
>Gods created the world. There is only this world, no other dimensions or similar.
>These gods are good or at least neutral.
How do I now justify the existence of monsters and demons?
Miscreations?
Old gods?
>>46757566
Gods aren't perfect, and make mistakes. The first couple of times they tried to make animals and humanity, they got monsters and demons, respectively. While they recognize their work was flawed, they cannot bring themselves to kill their own creations.
>>46757566
El neutralino god duder decides "shit niggah, that wouldn't work, throw some wrenches in there" and bam, it works better now.
Other gods still debate this.
Literally doesn't work unless the monsters naturally come into being.
Perhaps evil is a constant, a balancing force, and thus because there are no evil gods what would become evil gods are instead monsters and demons. Fragments of the divine with the spark of evil. They could infect the normal creations of the gods and turn them into horrible things.
Perhaps the good gods killed all the evil ones before the world was made, and the fragments of their corpses are what turn normal creatures into these monsters.
Perhaps monsters just pop into existence because "lel why not".
You could always go with the whole "Greater good than the human good. " explanation. Make it so that monsters and demons are supposedly part of this greater cosmic wheel that needs to remain in balance for everything to be good, and the world simply wouldn't run the way it did without them.
Maybe even make it so that the gods WERE creating a perfect world, but they hadn't brushed up on their newtonian laws.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You could even blame the creation of demons/monsters on one UBER-good God of Mankind who tried to make the world PERFECT for humans, despite the warnings of all the other gods that it would end in misery.
He created plentiful resources and food and shelter and all this great stuff, but it was all -too- good, and demons are the natural consequence of that goodness.
Mortals made them
One of the neutral gods made them so things wouldn't be boring/so mortals could strive to improve themselves
The gods had a big war at some point in the past, they've since made up and vowed to never fight again, but the demons and monsters are their leftover creations from the war in the heavens
The gods are shitty programmers and monsters are living glitches
>>46757566
The gods don't know.
For the first time in their existence, they feel fear.
>>46757566
Growth through conflict and strife.
The gods don't want to coddle their creation.
>>46757566
Neutral good created creatures with free will. While other good aligned good inserted seed of good in their creations (Ala everyone can be redeemed bs). Over time free willed neutral races animals monsters morally evolved into evil cunts due to survival of the dickest. Hence why most monsters are found alone or in pairs / small packs.
Monsters could serve a divine purpose. Neutral or even good doesn't mean they have to be flowers and sunshine, after all. Maybe monsters are made to keep humanity in check, lest they challenge the Gods. Maybe they're made to challenge humanity, so that they rise and become mighty. Maybe a God foresaw how shitty people would become without monsters to serve as a unifying enemy and made them to keep us from being godawful. There are lots of possibilities.
>>46757566
the same way religious philosophers have dealt with the problem of evil in the real world, obviously
free will
there is no absolute evil, evil is just good done wrong, bad things are bad because they chose to be
>>46757566
Maybe mortals fucked up badly and somehow created the monsters. To use them as living weapons or something. And shit went out of control.
Mortals made them
Monsters represent Entropy/The Void before the Gods made stuff.
There's space eldritch gods that fuck with earth.
The gods made them to fight other gods, they got free into the world.
Monsters are just overgrown fauna and critters that the gods have nothing to do with.
>>46757566
>>46757742
This Wise Anon has it.
As far as demons go, I assume the gods themselves have free will. Some of them changed their minds about their creations and now want to undo their work. Thus demons of destruction.
There's always Judeo-Christian Classic, they're fallen angels/servitors who were granted free will and chose poorly. Monsters are the result of them fucking bears or whatever
>>46757668
>living glitches
Not OP but this idea is really cool.
>>46757566
do the warp thing, humanities subconscious causes them to exist
>>46757566
Why must you ruin your gods work and force monsters and deamons in there? If they want a nice world let them have one. You're a real bastard OP.
>>46757816
This, human beings are rebelious and contrarian, and do what they feel like. Such is the way of the world
>>46757566
The world doesn't run perfectly, and over time "glitches" start to pop up. The firmament breaks down or distorts, and daemons/monsters come forth.
>>46757566
Lucifer
Melkor
>>46757566
For my shitty setting, monsters are born for the flesh of the fallen proto-gods that the deities who made the world stole the powers of creation from. They mainly exist only on one continent, but are known to wander and despite their artificial birth, some are able to form stable breeding populations or even interbreed with local wildlife, leading to the "dire" breeds.
There's also island that's another fallen not!god that refuses to obey the laws of life set forth by the gods, leading to things like groves of ambulatory, predatory carnivorous trees and singing kudzu
>>46757566
>The Gods took the roots of the World Tree, and from the First Root they fashioned the earth, the sea and the sky.
>From the Second Root they fashioned all the beasts of the earth, all the birds of the sky and all the fish of the sea.
>From the Third Root they fashioned Humanity, in all its forms, to inherit the garden of the Gods.
>But the Fourth Root yearned for life also, and so fashioned itself into many forms, in imitation of the Gods' designs.
>The Gods were repulsed by these Shadows, seeing in them only vague mockeries of their artistry. In their disgust, they shunned the Shadows, and taught Men to shun them also.
>Rejected and lost, the Shadows fled into the dark corners of the world. There in the dark, their loneliness turned to anger, and festered for an age.
>Blah blah blah, now the Shadows are back and they're ruining everything.
The Gods might genuinely care for the well-being of Humans, but cannot do a thing to stop the spawn of the Fourth Root, as they were not fashioned by divine hands. So it falls to Humanity to battle the Shadows, for only Root may strangle Root (or make peace with them, or support their deicidal crusade out of sympathy for their grievance).
Gods are dicks, Greek style. Sure, they generally try to do morally correct things, but they're still all-powerful beings with all-powerful emotions and all-powerful egos.
One little Medusa type story and BAM, one kind of monster. And they've had centuries to do this.
Taksies backsies aren't possible because gods create, not destroy. Except when their anger gets the better of them anyway. Then they do it a little bit and have to fill out a bunch of celestial paperwork to explain the mess.
>>46757566
Gods are fucking dead. They were all killed by the angels and the guy who led them. Demons were the gods' legions. But they failed to protect their masters from being killed off. And so those armies remain, fighting even after the war was over, without the gods to lead them.
You could always go one of the final fantasy routes and the monsters come from space, from their own world where they are all friendly and just lose their shit from coming to this world
>>46757566
Refuse from creation times.
>>46757566
1. The gods are good, but also are "good" when interacting with ogres/goblins/etc. They may not actively require sacrifice or such, but that's their follower's will. After all, why do the good gods usually let kings be completely incompetent or corrupt?
2. The monsters are actually the natural way of life. Demons are the real stewards of the old world, but the gods are the creators of new things. Druids aren't the old religion, they're weird newfangled youths trying to find a mediation between the two.
>>46757566
Goodness is subject to entropic decay. Over time, the universe will be less and less good, and more and more evil will come into existence. Not even the gods can change that - and the gods themselves may very well be susceptible to this literal moral decay.
>>46757566
Mortals sin, and so eventually their sins and ill will coalesce into ravenous beasts.
>>46757566
Gods want the best species to thrive so they plant the seeds and watch Darwin go to work.
>>46757566
>How do I now justify the existence of monsters and demons?
"Alcohol was a mistake" - the gods
Can't you make up another God or divine being? Just copy the bible and say there was an arrogant angle that thought he was the best and got cast down or some shit. That's what Tolkien did.
>>46757566
Mad wizards.
>>46757566
The gods are good NOW but that doesn't mean this was always the case. There may be evil gods who were cast out or killed, and the monsters were their creation.
Alternatively, the monsters are the creations of mortal hands; early dabblings in the arcane arts that have twisted their users into abhuman things.
Alternatively, just straight natural selection. Nothing created the monsters save their environment and time.
>>46757566
Attempt number 1 at making life. Didn't work out the way they wanted
>>46757566
1.) The world needed to be formed from something. Demons are just a representation or embodiment of that something, working to tear down the world back into its original state.
2.) When the gods created the world, they intentionally cast off the negative and evil aspects to make the world as great as the could. Unfortunately, nothing the gods make every truly goes away, and those negative and evil aspects they tried to remove formed into monsters and demons.
3.) Gods are not perfect. Their first creations, despite their best intentions, did not work out. The sins of these beings eventually drove them to become monsters, using their freedoms to do great harm in satisfying themselves. Attempting to start over, the gods locked away these demons and then, with the new world, created humans who would care and possess necessary empathy so as to not become the same monstrosities.
4.) There was an accident during creation, and rather than the intended result, dangerous monsters were created instead.
5.) All of the above are given as stories to people who ask the question. Nobody knows the real truth, and the gods are oathbound to not speak on the subject. (or they just don't want to)
>>46757742
>using MUH FREE WILL to justify the existence of beings that are literally MADE of evil
Your choice of images seems appropriate.
>>46757742
Those philosophers conveniently ignore evils that cannot have any root in free will, like natural disasters, and diseases; interestingly which where once blamed on monsters and demons respectively
Easy: they're not monsters.
Reject the idea of the cloven duality- of the ideas of good and evil being wholly separated. Good exists within Evil that exists within Good and it goes all the way down. "Monster" is a political term used by those inclined to fear and be preyed upon by them. Who's to say the Terrasque isn't God's first born? Who's to say that angels are our allies and demons wish us complete harm? Think beyond the names of these beings because, ultimately, they'll limit what you put on paper. What does it mean to be a "demon"? A "monster"? A "man"?
A little bit of evil can make the good shine brighter.so basically some shitty quote about how the demons and monsters prevents humanity from drifting to evil and inspires men
>>46764260
Maybe have terrible people in setting transmogrify into monsters and demons
>>46764278
Or it was not by the Gods's hand that monsters appeared, it was a natural consequence of free will.
>>46764260
>The first time we made the world, we decided it should be All Good, All the Time.
>But our creations didn't have any free will, which meant their doing of good was meaningless. So we scrapped it.
>The second time, we gave free will to the races of men, and they were good. To start with.
>Then a few of them decided they'd rather build themselves up by tearing others down, and the rest of the world had no idea how to DEAL with that kind of thing because they hadn't even seen it before to recognize it. So the world got torn down by its own denizens.
>The third time we built the world, we knew that there had to be an example of what to be wary of.
>So the answer, archbishop, is that evil beings exist that you may recognize evil actions by the similarity.
>>46764243
A lot of natural disasters can be blamed on free will, though. Floods? Don't live by the fucking river. Earthquakes? Don't live by the fault line. Disease? Don't live so fucking close together, and don't fuck animals either. And so on.
>>46757566
Batshit insane truest neutral god decides there's too much good in the world and so takes it upon himself to create evil to balance it out.
>>46757566
1. Wizard did it. Goddamn wizards always breeding hybrids and grafting predators together the minute they get bored of getting sucked off by mind-blanked whores.
2. The world is actually far-future post-nuclear-apocalypse.
3. Gods fucked up a couple times.
4. One god or a bunch of heavenly servants went bad and started some shit.
5. The monsters are natural parts of the ecosystem and sapient species are a relatively new development.
6. The gods don't have to explain a damned thing to you.
People historically didn't think their Gods were all powerful or all knowing
Not to mention they were often aloof and more concerned with cosmic matters, being Gods after all
In Chinese mythology monsters were the PETS of the Gods gone feral and unchecked
>>46764616
>its their fault they don't know about germs, tectonic plates, and need water to survive
that's a cop out that still ignores truly global disasters, and innocent ignorance
you are an asshole for even trying to victim blame due to lack of scientific knowledge, not to mention THERE IS NO PLACE ON EARTH WHERE YOU COULD EVEN AVOID ANY OF THAT
>>46757566
Steal from Dark Souls.
>Mortals tried to make their own divine power with hookers and blackjack but it went horribly wrong
Are the creations of gods good or neutral? Monsters and demons are creatures which are evil.
>>46764243
A volcano isn't evil. It just is.
Not its fault you decided to live next to it.
And bacteria? Just trying to get by. Humans are on the food chain, same as anything else.
>>46764951
I'm just saying that most if not all of the things we regard as natural would be technically avoidable if humanity kept to small populations and lived in safe areas.
>>46757566
What?
>There is another god they didn't know about.
>He lived in another world that he used his power to hide from them
>There are monsters there
Boom.
>>46765062
Giving an agent responsibility over a natural phenomenon MAKES it good or evil
>>46765066
Technically avoidable is only theoretical, you cannot avoid them all, and then you would get victim blamed by yourself
>>46757566
Evil exists in the hearts of men.
>>46760792
Topkek
There's an African God who actually caused midgets, albinos, hunchbacks, etc. after getting drunk off his ass and getting sloppy with the clay he was sculpting
Now he's the guardian of the deformed and his priests refuse all forms of alcohol
>>46757566
This is actually pretty easy. Even when people write stories with clear moral messages, where the heroes always win, and so on, they almost always include antagonists. An obstacle that must be overcome, and which the heroes become stronger by overcoming.
The monsters are there to provide that necessary challenge. What's the point of creating man with intelligence or strength if he has no problems to solve with them? Without monsters or bad things, how would men become heroes?
>>46765200
I love religions with "human" gods.
>>46764278
I like the notion of people turning into monsters if they're big enough assholes
Lots of cultures had the idea that evil beings are basically former human cunts
Sorta like anti-saints
>>46765234
Fan of ancient Greece?
>>46765403
hell yeah boyo
>>46765200
IIRC in bablyonian mythology cripples, blindess, and all that shit like that were made due to a contest between a god and a goddess where the god said that the goddess couldn't make a person that he couldn't find a job for
He won, and when the roles were reversed he won in one round cause he made a stillborn
>>46757566
By not having them be inherently evil, just having competing interests.
It also depends on what these gods consider "good"
>>46765430
Then the goddess invented stem cell research.
This is now a mythology thread
>>46764243
>the existence of diseases and plate tectonics are moral issues
nigga you just went full bakka desu sempai-chan
>>46765658
The deaths caused by them are moral issues WHEN YOU GIVE THE EVENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO A MORAL AGENT
this is god 101 shit you tard
>>46765658
If you believe in omnipotent creatures that could effortlessly prevent 'acts of god' from killing or maiming people but chose not to that omnipotent creature is a dick.
>>46765658
>Acts of God are not a moral issue regarding God
>>46757566
Go with the Old Testament stuff; monsters and demons and the sort aren't from hell but are sort of misbegotten accidents if creation that fit in nowhere, extensions of the natural world created by rebelling against their creators and presumed place in the world.
Demons and Giants and monsters were originally not from Hell (that sort of stuff came far later) but were misbegotten spawn of the Nephallim and Grigori, kinda akin to Cthonic deities and Titans in Greek myths.
In Islamic mythology, djinn and afrit are of a similar stripe; creatures of a The Smokeless Fire who can be good or evil or neither and are much more powerful then human beings (seemingly omnipotent in some stories) but are still made as part of God's creation.
>>46757566
To maintain their Goodness or whatever the gods cut the worst parts of themselves out. Over millenia these excised bits of malice grew form and cunning and plague the world. As parts of the gods, they are immune to the gods powers, and when awakened wreak havoc until they are stopped by mortals or mortal agents of the gods, and then they hide, and begin the process of growing over again.
well, where did the humans come from? why humans? did they stop at humans or start at humans? who says all monsters (creatures really is more PC) are evil? what sick sonofabitch creates a 100% evil race of man killing monsters? a god that god bored? something the gods don't even know, a primordial evil older than them?
i know in my setting that monsters were products of a jealous god, he created the creatures of nature peaceful and otherwise, but when his brother created man he became jealous and started to create darker friends with the sole purpose of killing the creations of his brother. this continues back and forth with his brother sending champions (the players) who are exceptional humans.
>>46757566
The gods were wrong about being the only ones, and their creation being the only world. There are other, older, more sinister powers who are miffed at their hubris.
-OR-
Some upstart wizards/mad scientists started to tinker too deep into the nature of the divine order behind the world in an attempt to claim this knowledge for themselves, and their attempts at making creatures of their own have gone horribly wrong.or horribly right.
>>46757566
Monsters are earlier creations, the Gods standards of 'good' changed with time
>>46757566
The gods made monsters and demons so that humans could kill them for XP.
>>46757566
Echoes from the void.
>>46766516
Hmm even this can be used, think about it if Humans are the chosen race to rule as dictated by these gods, one of the gods created monsters for the sole purpose of challenging the humans in order to strengthen them
>>46757566
>what is gnosticism
>>46757816
That's silly picture. The lone guy on the other track seems willing to sacrifice himself for the other guys, there's literally no reason why not to pull the lever.
>>46757566
The gods, like any family, bicker. As the phenomenal cosmic gods they are, this is not a good thing. Every shout, punch, thought and even snide remark against one another builds the forces of chaos. Of course, this isn't the only thing that can create them. Creating sufficient pandemonium in the world (In modern terms, world wars/economical depressions/huge natural disasters) can not only create more minor demons but empower the demons which have caused it.
That's how I'd do it at least.
>>46757566
Some god fugged up at first try, but grew attached to his creations and hid them to the other gods.
Now they've awakened and the gods can't pissibly get rid of them without destroying the world, which are unwilling to do
>>46757566
Gods created monsters to give intelligent races an enemy, something to overcome and grow from.
The gods are actually idiots.
>>46757566
Change the setting.
If the players already know the setting, what they know is false and there are in fact other dimensions.
Gods also fucked up.
>>46757566
There are no Evil gods because the Good and Neutral gods destroyed them and cast down the Evil world they had made in order to create a better one. But god-flesh is inviolate and cannot be unmade, so the shattered corpses of the Evil gods gathered in pieces and fragments back towards the world from the empty void in which they had been left, manifesting into physical form shaped by the natures of the beings they had once been part of, the minds and natures formed from scraps of the impulses and drives of the gods they once were.
TL,DR, the first werewolf congealed out of a dead Evil gods' love of hunting, delete and re-enter words as applicable for every other monster race under the sun, or hidden away from the sun as the case may be.
>>46757566
PRIMORDIAL CHAOS
PRIMORDIAL PRE CREATION ENTITIES CAN BE FOUND IN *EVERY* MAJOR RELIGION
>>46768880
...No, it can't. There's no primordial chaos in judeochristian faith. Everything that exists is part of God's creation, including Hell and Satan.
>>46768619
It's a joke about a moral 'strawman' relating to some philosophy where it is considered more immoral to move the tracks because you are making a conscious choice to kill one person, as opposed to inactively allowing 3 people to die.
If you assume morality is about choice, than choosing to kill the one to save the many is more immoral, because it involves a conscious choice to take a life and presume the value of three lives over one, IE, inserting ones-self into the position of ultimate arbitrator, or God.
Allowing the people to die is inaction, and is still wrong, but less wrong than choosing to kill because you did not create the circumstances where their death is imminent, you only chose not to act upon them. The greater weight of the blame then rests on whatever asshole is tying people to train tracks.
It's bullshit of course, but, >philosophy majors
>>46768900
PRE-CATHOLICISM BITCH, CHRISTIANITY IS FULL OF CURAYZEE STUFF. THE CATHOLICS WROTE IT OUT OF THE CANON AT THE COUNCIL OF NIKEA, BECAUSE SHIT MADE NO SENSE.
OF COURSE IT MADE NO SENSE, CHRISTIANITY IS A SYNCRETIC FAITH ADOPTED FROM HALF A DOZEN OR MORE RELIGIONS CONGEALED INTO ONE HOT MESS AS PASSED DOWN VERBALLY BY A TRIBE OF ITINERANT TRAVELING GOAT FUCKERS AND WARRIORS.
CHRISTIANITY BY IT'S NATURE IS ACTUALLY INHERENTLY POLYTHEISTIC - 'I AM A JEALOUS GOD, HAVE NO GOD BEFORE ME', IT ACKNOWLEDGES OTHER RELIGIONS AND SAYS 'BUT FUCK THOSE GUYS' ABOUT THEM. BUT IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSFORMING THE FAITH FROM THE SOCIAL GLUE THAT HELD TOGETHER THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL INTO AN INCLUSIVE FAITH THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ACCEPT OUTSIDERS, SHIT HAD TO GET TWEAKED.
>>46768922
I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS SUBJECT.
>>46757566
>>46757900
>>46759861
>>46766534
>>46768880
Inherent instability in the fabric of creation. The gods may be all powerful, but even the best craftsman can only go so far with imperfect materials, abberations would always crop up, like loose threads or seams in clothes, or weak points in gemstones.
>>46765097
Have you read the bible? Try reading Genesis from a metaphorical perspective. It's pretty clear that - according to it, at least - humanity is being held culpable for our choice to reject the state of nature. Nowadays we don't feel like we should be, but that's not the only perspective.
>>46757566
Before creation there existed lesser spiritual enteties that did not took part in creation. When the world was created they were forced to inhabit it and now seek to destroy it to return to prior state of being.
>>46769010
THANK YOU
freewill
The demons and monsters were always there, created by the previous rulers of the world, who were Evil.
In making the world hospitable to their own creations, the Gods ticked off the most powerful remaining demon, leading to a massive war in which he gathered up his brethren and laid waste to all in his path.
Try as they might, the Gods could not prevent or even predict the Archdemon's true goal - causing some of their creations to switch sides out of sheer desperation to survive.
Thus did the Gods withdraw from the world in shame, over a failure they could not have known as possible. They move in subtler ways now, trying not to kickstart another great war - if it were to happen again this time, all their work would be destroyed utterly, rather than merely corrupted.
>>46757566
Tests for mortals to overcome?
>>46757566
>Gods are only good/decent because they have carved away the parts of themselves they see as imperfect
>these castoffs took on a life of their own
>smaller/simpler pieces became the mostly bestial and vicious monsters
>the larger pieces became cunning and sinister demons
The afterlife is infinite and good.
This life is brief
Gods threw in monsters and demons on the mortal plane only so heroes could contest them. The stories created by heroes echo through eternity.
Any suffering caused is miniscule compared to the eternity of Bliss awaiting good people in the afterlife.
>>46757566
>How do I now justify the existence of monsters and demons?
Being good does not mean being infallible. Evil might be a result of a fault, rather than inherent evil intention.
Also, evil can be explained as a necessary result of free will. If the creations of the gods are given free will, then they might turn evil, and warp themselves or their surroundings, even if their creators did not intend them to do so originally.
There is evil in Christianity, and that assumes one, all powerful God creating one world, and still there are demons and evil representing the challenges of existence and again, mirroring the free will of humans.
>>46768900
Even in Judeo-Christian mythology, when God created the world he created it in a state of Primordial Chaos.
>Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
>>46757608
I love this
>>46757566
Related to the "free will" concept, demons and monsters are born of negative emotions of the first men. Doubt in the absolute power of the creator, fear of death, mistrust of others, these feelings created physical presences, in a twisted perversion of how faith creates.Yeah, it's the Idea of Evil from Berserk.
>>46757566
In Slavic mythology, there is a World Tree. Its roots are Nav, the Hell, where evil spirits are; its top is Iriy, the 'heaven', or where the dead go to the halls of Svarog; and the trunk is Yav, where humans live; but Gods are also a part of the Yav. They are close to us, they are embodied natural aspects. You can do something like that.
>>46757566
If there is light, and there exists a material object, then there will be a shadow. Similarly, the gods' realm before the creation of the world is like an evenly-lit white room. Once they made things, though, shadows begin to form. These divine shadows are the source of demons and monsters.
The balance between capital-g Good and capital-e Evil has to be roughly even or else something bad happens. The good did a fairly good job of sealing all the demons away, (which doesn't count as disturbing the balance) but some manage to escape and try to free the rest every now and then.
>>46764243
That because it's literally a handwave answer. Nobody actually ever figured out a good response to the problem of evil since Epicurius formulated it almost 2500 years ago.
>>46773211
Simple: God is all good, and all knowing, but not all powerful. He's still pretty powerful, and worth worshipping, but making a world with free will, and the capacity for heroism without suffering was beyond him.
>>46764242
Nice assumption there faggot
>>46757566
Monsters and demons are not naturally occurring. They are not their own class of being. Every monster, every demon, was once a man or sometimes just an animal. In rare occasions even a place. But then something happened to them that changed them.
The howling butcher of the red hills was once an executioner for the king who was unfortunate enough to have one of his prisoners reveal a terrible secret as his dying words. The King, fearing the secret might be known, had the executioner's tongue cut out so he could never tell the tale. The executioner was cast out into the forest, howling in pain.
For months, the villagers would hear terrible howling during some nights. Soon, the noise became associated with travelers going missing on the road.
But eventually the howling started being heard closer and closer to town. When the butcher was first sighted, you could still see some resemblance to the former servant of the king. But that was decades ago, when your grandfather was yet young. The Butcher has only gotten older and stranger since then, but no less consumed in madness.
Such is the nature of all monsters in your setting, mostly unique terrible beasts with personal backstories. Only a few of them breed more monsters like them, and those ones are treated as being especially dangerous and are considered plagues that must be hunted down and destroyed to stop their spread. Like werewolves and vampires, as opposed to solitary unique monsters like Medusa or Fafnir.
>>46757566
demons are an accident, perhaps a precursor race that rejected the gods, or a magical species that mutated horribly, or simply rebellious 'angels', or perhaps they originated from the same force that created the gods
and something they've done - a ritual, perhaps, or stealing a fragment of a god's power - prevents the gods from affecting them, or perhaps the gods simply cannot unmake or destroy, and must fight these through proxies
from there, these demons created the monsters of the world to protect themselves and hunt down the agents of the gods
>>46757682
or this
there's a lot of interesting ways to spin it
>>46757608
best answer
>>46775403
>he's pretty powerful but not actually powerful enough to help you when you need it or anything
>worthy of worship
That's like thanking your insurance agency when they weasel out of covering damages.
