Has there ever been a good steampunk anything?
>>46576103
>what is Ravnica
>>46576103
There are some songs that aren't bad. There is also a kind of good flash game about nuclear powered aircraft called SteamBirds.
Crank guns can be pretty cool. Bioschock had a neat Submachine gun you had to crank, Never see anything cool in a Tabletop though.
>>46576103
Aeronaut's Windlass isn't bad, though it's not amazing either. It's by the guy who did Dresden Files.
Ever read Sebastian O?
>>46576103
Probably, but it's not 1:1 the exact definition of steampunk so /tg/ will invent some new -punk term to describe it
>>46576103
Arcanum.
A ton of art that isn't just some asshole with goggles and cogs.
Also steampunk isn't nearly as creatively bankrupt as generic 'medieval' fantasy. Always makes me laugh when some neckbeard is droning out a cheeto-crumb besprinkled rant about "cog-fop" while filling out his character sheet for a Forgotten Realms campaign.
>>46576103
I used to play Victoriana years ago. That shit was pretty cool. It emphasized the Victorian lifestyle you might be familiar with, that is to say classism, racism, etc and it encouraged you to be exactly that as a GM. There was also magic and wyvern dragoons and shit like that too.
>>46576103
Yes!
But none of it has been written by white people.
>>46576311
Not sure if bait or actual fact
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, yo.
>>46576408
It's true. All the best steampunk has been written by Black Americans or people from India.
>>46576103
Dishonored was a good vidya.
>>46576551
Examples please? I'd like to experience this
>>46576103
Some Ghibli stuff.
Discworld at some points.
Castle Falkenstein is boatloads of fun.
>>46576103
There's been good steampunk art.
>>46576103
You should try a few stories from this author.
>>46576103
The Vinci faction from Rise of Legends.
>>46581002
It's a good thing I don't judge books by their covers, because if I did this one would warrant the death penalty. Might have even needed to bring back that thing where you tie a person's limbs to 4 different horses and send them all running off in different directions.
>>46581009
>>46578572
>>46576103
>>46581054
That's called quartering, or drawn and quartered.
You might as well give the first chapter a read through Amazon if interested, although for catching someone's attention, I still think the first chapter of Soulless does a better job.
http://www.amazon.com/Prudence-Custard-Protocol-Gail-Carriger/dp/0316212245
http://www.amazon.com/Soulless-Parasol-Protectorate-Gail-Carriger/dp/0316402419
>>46581054
sounds like you got some issues that need working out. try taking a break for a couple days. see if it helps
>>46576693
Moses: The Chronicles of Harriet Tubman
This board game is pretty fun.
>>46576303
Basically this, but Arcanum is not good really because it's steampunk. It's good for being well written and Victorian satire.
>>46576103
Sunless sea and fallen london setting.
Not for everyone, but very funif you actually roleplay your character outside of the program like you should do.
Bracing for angryfags.
>>46581171
Best answer.
Its a fucking travesty what they did with that reboot though. All the uniqueness and the atmosphere of the old games got sandblasted off to make a worse edgier Dishonored, which was ironically a much better Thief sequel than what we actually got.
>>46576103
Short answer?Yes.
Long answer?Shut up, cunt.
>>46576103
Gentleman Bastards series.
>>46576638
Shut the fuck up you lying faggot
>>46582965
Is that really steampunk? I've read up to Republic of Thieves, and the only thing I can recall that's close is some of the stuff in Tal Verrar, mostly in the hands of the Archon and presented in the 'expensive novelty' stage.
short stories and some concept art as far as i knowhopefully i can remedy a lack of good steampunk anything
There was this one cRPG I remember playing back in the 90s or some shit
>>46578572
My nigga. They did a recent update too.
>>46576171
I don't know if you're shilling, or still here, but Steambirds is actually fairly good. Kind of like the new BFG:A, but turn-based, and simpler.
>>46576103
A lot of things. But then calling them "19th century science fiction" apparently wasn't hip and cool after a while.
>>46576128
> Ravnica
> steampunk
>>46576103
Steampunk has been dead ever since the first person who decided their pedo trenchcoat with the cut pockets qualified as steampunk cosplay somehow.
>>46581248
So the same garbage white people write, but about a Black person.
>>46581002
Why are there gears on her hat? What purpose does this serve?
>>46584715
Is there really any good steampunk where the steam aspect is actually good? I mean where technology is believable and designed with care. Typically what makes steampunk works good is something else or sometimes the punk if setting has that. Often the technology is just stupid and goes way too sci-fi.
>>46584760
I'm honestly drawing a big blank here. I do remember that the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was good on the aspect (the book, not the shit movie) and that's it. Steampunk is one of those things that are intresting as ideas, but people rarely tend to flesh them out well enough.
>>46584760
That'd take a degree of knowledge and effort.
Does Dishonored count as steam punk although there is no steam in it?
>>46576103
Arcanum
>>46584805
Technically I guess it would be whale punk. But that's still generally the same idea. Fantasyish victorian era with a lot of anachronistic overdesigned tech shit laying around.
>>46584844
Oilpunk
Plaguepunk
Whiskey-and-cigarspunk
Stabpunk
Backstabpunk
Betrayalpunk
Baldpunk
Maskpunk
Ratpunk
Slumpunk
Boatpunk
>>46576103
What steampunk needs is a return to the punk part. So everyone, let's grab our communist manifesto, Kropotkin's esseys and viva la revolution, stick to them man etc.
>>46583442
I'm going to write a short piece on this one.
Balar could only wonder what life this *thing* took. It looked too crude to be made for war, the machine struggling to keep it on four legs. The thick iron did not help the look either. While he knew that the things existed, it was only now that he saw one in the flesh. Automatons, they called them. He'd heard of them from his more privileged comrades, about machines made in imitations of the living form. The Prophet, blessed is his name, forbid them to do so, as Man must not play God, and fall into its vices. He wondered, if that thing has a soul behind its eyes, if it can feel pain now. He didn't try to think much of these things, but he cannot help himself. Its eyes were dull in the morning sun, like a beaten dog. All he can do is hold his rifle tight in his arms, and eye it closely.
Done. I haven't wrote in months, so it is lackluster.
"The Difference Engine" by Gibson and Sterling was a top-tier.
>>46584909
To be honest only steampunk setting that has punk I can think of is Arcanum with it's labor unions and Donn Throgg. There's also pretty good in game book about child laborer that is very punk.
>>46584967
Yes, and we should work from there, steampunk dose not need "might adventurers that come from a royal family and have jolly good fun shooting the enemys of the queen" we have DnD and 50 other settings for that. Dishonored was a very good example of steamPUNK, even though you were still fighting for a queen, you were the underdog, trying to abolish a corrupt regime. I dont understand why everyone thinks the Victorian era as such a jolly time, it was not.
>>46583042
But he is right you know?
Dystopian Wars. Constant "happy-go-lucky high adventure" bullshit is what makes steampunk bad (and cogs on everything). Steampunk WWI is where it's at.
>>46585401
Real life WW1 would be dieselpunk, but it could be made into steampunk pretty easily and there were actually steam powered tanks in WW1, but those used kerosene to heat the boilers afaik.
>>46576755
Not sure if you meant Laputa, but if you did that would be pretty much pure example of what dieselpunk tends to be. Generally speaking dieselpunk is Miyazaki thing. Specifically 1920-40s. Can be seen also in Porco Rosso and a sci-fi version in Nausicaa. Laputa is bit more like 1910s with more advanced aircraft though.
>>46585497
>but those used kerosene to heat the boilers afaik.
If we're going for actual steam power, and not just stuff that looks like a mid 19th century steam engine, then most WW2 warships turn out to be powered by turbocharged steam engines.
>>46584844
This shit doesn't have to be uselessly specific like post-grunge-wave-nu-metal-core whatever labels. If it's Victorian retro-futuristic sci-fi/fantasy, it's steampunk.
>>46585948
Same way I've seen someone argue that nuclear reactors are "technically" steampunk but that's kind of missing the point. It's far more about a time period than about things being powered by steam.
Not everyone's thing but Perdido Street Station (and maybe other Mieville stuff in that setting) is incredible - and far more well rounded, politically, than many give it credit for.
>>46584952
This is a good answer.
>>46581340
These two games are some of best narrative experiences I've ever had tho I'm sad they fell somewhat short on the replay value.
>>46576755
>Discworld
Absolutely, everything post 1995/2000 is far more steampunk than the high-ish fantasy it was at the start.
>>46585948
You know nuclear plants are also steam engines, but the main point of steam in steampunk (atleast should be) is that oil as fuel and especially combustion engines aren't invented. Most WW2 warships didn't use coal as fuel afaik.
>>46581309
When exactly is something good not for the writing but for the genre or style or whatever it can be categorized as?
>>46586064
Well, most dieselpunk settings would fit to this. They suffer often from bad writing, but have pretty nice designs.
>>46576103
Chicks in corsets, man.
>>46576103
The vinci in rise of legends are cool.
No love for Steamboy?
>>46586072
That's just you being an awful judge of quality.
>>46584909
>a return to the punk part.
Well, an introduction of a punk part, the first things anyone would call steampunk didn't have one
>>46585948
I'd say once steam turbines become prominent that's when you'd cut off, but that's just my opinion
>>46586163
>Well, an introduction of a punk part, the first things anyone would call steampunk didn't have one
Arcanum is what many people think first when someone mentions steampunk and it did have the punk part.
Space 1889, back when the genre was called Victorian science fiction. Well fleshed out alternate history with credible politics and new frontiers to colonize. The Great Game is played on Mars.
>>46586163
Than we should promot a introduction of it, or something. Make the bloody setting interesting and not just dnd with guns and tanks.
>>46585337
Dishonored was hardly good. It was insanely linear, short and relied too heavily on the setting to sell it. Corvo is a shit protagonist and the whole betrayal storyline is retarded
>>46587868
>It was insanely linear
What?
>>46576103
What would old Tom Swift novels be considered?
>>46576103
79 posts and NO-ONE pointed out that 40k Orks of the Snakebite clan make giant steam-powered Stompas, because they don't wanna into teknology
>>46576311
see
>>46576303
Also, I don't even see what race has to do with it unless you're race baiting, or some black dude whose so self-conscious about his race that he has to justify it.
>>46576103
The Difference Engine was OK. It honestly wasn't groundbreaking enough to build an entire movement around, though. It'd be like suddenly seeing random historical crossover cosplay fucking everywhere just because Mozart in Mirrorshades happened,
>>46576473
I want a modern day version.
James Bond, Lara Croft, MacGyver, Remo Williams,Matlock, etc.
>>46586163
>>46586400
*cough*Dickens*cough**UptonSinclair*cough*
>>46576103
Skaven, arguably
>>46576638
That was...I dunno what that was
Whalepunk
>>46586104
Steamboy is the most embarrassing thing Ive ever watched.
>>46588815
It was steampunk with heavy overtones of grimdark fantasy, and a lot more punk than steam.
>Not mentioning Deadlands
I'm disappointed.
>>46583042
You shut the fuck up, Dishonored was great. Even if they forgot the "u" in "honour".
>>46576103
Does Deadlands count?
>>46584897
>Whiskey-and-cigarspunk
Kek
mortal engines
>waaah not steampunk
close enough faggot
>>46588774
Yeah, if you want to call Dickens Steampunk then I really don't know what I can say to you.
>>46588921
>Even if they forgot the "u" in "honour".
'murican spelling.
>>46588921
>>46589005
Dishonured?
>>46589026
You keep the second "o" too
>>46588965
Real talk Mortal Engines is way more diesel punk than anything else.
It's technology (that isn't from before the apocalypse) is overwhelmingly themed around the early 20th century and it's overall narrative themes are mostly about the horrors of industrialized warfare, the massive failure of various efforts to construct Utopian societies, systemic and ethical failures in a totally unregulated economy and anti-colonial sentiment.
It's about as post war as you can get.
>>46588921
Those extra Us in British spelling are fucking bullshit useless letters that don't need to be there and we all know it.
Good Steampunk begins and ends with original Jules Verne stories.
>>46578572
To put things in perspective: it's technically a post-apocalyptic steampunk setting. World War 1 lasted forty years longer than it should've, devastating the world. The PC zeppelins are basically scounts and supply runners trying to get supplies to various camps and whatnot.
>>46584367
How recent?
Jules Verne, you fags
The Difference Engine was a pretty cool book I guess.
Apart from that, most "steampunk" things that approach good are usually more fantasy than sci-fi, so I'm not sure they count.
>>46588815
>Whalepunk
>>46584757
What purpose to bows on hat's serve? What purpose do fake buttons on suitcoats serve? What purpose is there to wear anything but a burlap sack?
There's lots of things wrong with steampunk but the gears on clothing thing is such a cop out. it's fashion, it looks cool. Fashion has always been about wearing dumb shit just because you can ESPECIALLY in victorian england.
also, if everything uses gears, it could be handy to have a set of spare gears on your person. Like how shirts have a spare button sewn on the inside.
>>46576128
That's Dungeon Punk, bro
Stop liking what I dont like thread #26,578. Brought to you by OP, distinguished retard, and author of other threads such as:
>What went wrong
>Quest "X" (abandoned immediately after posting)
>SJW anything
>D&D edition spam
and other assorted, useless clutter.
>>46589280
>>46587964
Not that anon, and I loved Dishonored, it's in my top five games, but it was fairly linear. You went from mission to mission without a whole lot of deviation.
Devil's Advocate is in that the game shined in how many different ways there were to handle each mission, even to traverse each stage.
This has trains and guns and shit.
>>46588972
>works largely set in Victorian Britain amdist the industrial revolution
>commented on the follies and horrors of the time with satire
Not Steampunk with a capital S, but it's closer to the spirit of the thing than Cogfops & Cucks Setting #747299394.
>>46589340
No, I know about the whales in Dishonored. It's just that "Whalepunk" is a fucking stupid term. A genre can't exist if there's literally only one work that can be, and in all likelihood will be, classified as such. There's not gonna be any other works with advanced retrotech via magical spermaceti. It's a non-genre, and I'm fucking sick of seeing it all the time because people here have such a narrow idea of what "steampunk" is to the point where they make up shit to try and avoid insinuating that something can be simultaneously good and steampunk. "Whalepunk" does not exist. Dishonored is steampunk with mild fantastical elements.
Ctrl+f no mistborn, cmon son : \
>>46576103
yes
>>46576103
Malifaux is a neat setting, though its not really 100% steampunk
>>46589731
Honestly, yes I would prefer that sort of thing to be present in Steampunk works (though not Dickens' style, he's duller than a Victorian smog-sky), but the "spirit" never existed, and there's no mention of technology at all.
Not to mention it being contemporary, though Verne's stuff can just about kind-of count (though that's just because sci-fi that's contemporary to the Victorian era is, unsurprisingly, vaguely works with sci-fi set in the Victorian era)
>>46589869
Sanderson a Sandershit
>>46589869
How the fuck is Mistborn steampunk.
>>46583177
I think so. Indeed, magic exists in the Gentleman Bastards universe, but it's entirely in the hands of countermages, who don't give a shit about ordinary people, and are bawically mercs for hire.
So the technical progress is defined by alchemy and steampunk, not magitek.
>>46587868
>he hasn't played the Dowd DLC
>>46589984
spain a cute.
>>46588200
Arcanum isn't steampunk.
>>46576303
>>46591344
Whoops, someone already mentioned it.
Sorry, I am illiterate.
>>46589116
Agreed
>>46589116
Yes, because it's science fiction. It's just really old.
>>46589116
I wouldn't call that steampunk. Steampunk is retrofuturistic. Verne was just regular futuristic, in the past.
>>46576103
Abney Park songs are pretty neat
>>46576103
There was an old Japanese comic book sold by the Indian dude who worked the only Max story in my small town grown up.
It was called steam warriors or some shit and it was about these heroes that used steam powered suits to fight off alien women from Mars that were kidnapping men to harvest their seed.
And maybe there was a girl who was really a goose? I can't remember it was on 1992 or some shit. Anyways, that will forever be the best steam anything for me because it was the first sexualized piece of media I remember encountering in my Mormon childhood.
>>46591123
Is the same old "argument" that it's not steampunk because it has magic?
Is there a more autistic genre than steampunk?
>>46593746
Only because some of the more popular implementations are shoddily done. If you want the -punk for autismos, it's cyberpunk. Counting bullets and dollars, making sure you're never seen or accounted for by the system, having an eye for details: it's all there.
>>46589099
It's what they get for being secretly French.
There's Tephra. I've only played a little demo at a con, but I've read through a lot of it's materials, and it all seems pretty good. I like the mechanics of the system, but considering I've never played it to any substantial depth, I could be wrong.
>>46576105
Book series; behemoth, leviathan and kraken - story was meh but the ideas and artwork was awesome
>>46596581
... Is that what you mean to link to?
>>46576103
What is streampunk even supposed to be? Outside an aesthetic, which is generally "Rube Goldberg Machine with brass gears", I never really had a good idea of what a steampunk-something was supposed to be. Victorian age plus brass gears?
I'm just never clear on what steampunk is supposed to be outside Victorian and Rube Goldberg. True, it's a nice aesthetic, but that doesn't mean much outside images.
>>46598439
You just answered why "Steampunk" as the impetus for setting is shit
>>46596609
Ever notice how the best steampunk stuff is set in or evokes World War One? Funny that.
>>46586037
If by "Far more well rounded", you mean "communist propaganda".
Try reading the Glass Books of the Dream Eaters by Dalquist
>>46600507
I've always thought that the Edwardian period was good for steampunk because the First World War hadn't placed such a massive impact on the world, technology, tactics, etcetera. After World War One is where I think dieselpunk sets in.
Victorian Era: Scientific is advancing, discoveries being made, the British empire covers the world, people buying souvenirs from exotic places.
Edwardian period: Europe pulled into war, people from all over Europe called to fight, old tactics meet new tech with gruesome results, war becomes massive mechanized meat-grinders, world no longer holds the optimism of the Victorian era. I see it as the start of dieselpunk depending on when in the war.
Interwar/WW2: The setting for Dieselpunk, war more mechanized, typically darker than steampunk, etcetera.
>>46601250
I should clarify the first sentence. During Edwardian period, war like WWI hadn't really been seen yet. So after WWI had left it's mark on the minds of the people, that's where dieselpunk sets in. War tends to be more grim, and isn't approached optimistically, because now war was more violent and deadly than ever.
Pax Britannica seems like a pretty cool Steampunk game.
>>46601250
On that note, the Civil War could be seen as an example of steampunk. Some of the new weapons developed like ironclads, the reliance on the railroad for moving troops and supplies, etc.
>>46576103
Thief: The dark project
made before steapunk was cool, and very immersive. great atmoshpere.
Morrowind had elements of steam punk, especially in the dwemer ruins
>>46590175
I'd honestly say it's more like Jules Verne pretty much set the mold for steampunk. As a retrofuturistic genre, steampunk draws on the actual technological speculations of that period in much the same way that atompunk draws on the technological speculations of the 1950s. Steampunk doesn't just "work with" Verne's stuff, it's outright imitating it.
>>46576473
>>46594011
Yeah, most of steampunk is anti-autistic if anything actually. Little time is to given to explain technology in most of steampunk and cogs are slapped on things to make them look cool to steampunkers. That causes massive sperg rage if you have autism.
>>46603032
To be honest Morrowind including Dwemer is more theopunk.
>>46584760
I mean, it is retrofuturistic sci-fi. Hard/semi-hard sci-fi is in the minority of that genre, and steampunk is both a much smaller genre than ordinary sci-fi, and has the additional hurdle of trying to come up with speculative applications of old tech whose capabilities and limitations we know pretty well, as opposed to stuff that's theoretical/speculative and thus has some inherent wiggle room for artistic license. I hardly find it surprising that people tend not to bother putting much effort into the tech; going too far into the detail there just invites the audience to pay attention to it, which will inevitably lead to it falling apart under close inspection. Better to just keep the details vague and file it under willing suspension of disbelief.
>>46604968
One could make hard sci-fi steampunk though and in my opinion it would be pretty interesting. To be honest lots of things done with combustion engine could be done with steam engine technically, but never really were. Then there's the fact that Victorian London used to have hydraulic power system for running industrial appliances which would make basis for some really nice steam city idea.
>>46576103
I hear FATAL Steampunk is fairly good
>>46581002
>ostentatiously british chick
>"unruly dissidents"
>standing in front of the taj mahal
OH BOY.
>>46605038
>To be honest lots of things done with combustion engine could be done with steam engine technically, but never really were. Then there's the fact that Victorian London used to have hydraulic power system for running industrial appliances which would make basis for some really nice steam city idea.
I mean, "20th-century machines except steam-powered" is already the bulk of what steampunk tech entails (the remainder generally being "19th-century tech but improved"), so I don't see what new thing you're suggesting there.
Steam cities probably have some untapped potential, though it's not like that idea is completely unexplored territory either.
>>46584760
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Wild Wild West (the series moreso than the movie)20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
There are extremely few steampunk works that are good because of the inclusion of steampunk elements. Almost none, in fact. Dishonored actually was one but that's maybe because it's a video game.
>>46589306
It doesn't look cool though
Boneshaker and Dreadnought by Cherie Priest were pretty good. It's Steampunk American Civil War with a bit of zombies too.
>>46593746
On the one hand, I see where you're coming from. Autistic people love trains, for some reason.
On the other hand, the answer is clearly Star Trek.
>>46598439
It's science fiction/fantasy inspired by the technology, history, and fiction of the mid-1800s to early 1900s. Limiting it to just the Victorian influences is foolish. A lot of very steampunk things were happening in America, both in the west and in the civil war, and a fair number of steampunky things were happening in Africa, India, and China as well. Japan sorta just swiftly transitioned from feudal to industrialist, but there was a period when you had samurai walking around with guns, and that's steampunk as hell.
The first description I ever heard of steampunk, though, and it's the one that's stuck with me ever since, was "A dwarf with a machine gun".
>>46576205
signed.
>>46576103
Wild Wild West is a hilarious piece of early 2000's nostalgia.
>>46603032
Thief is the best steampunk setting ever
>>46604560
Yeah, that's true.
>>46602839
The civil war was mid-victorian, so yeah, the technology developed there and the Crimean war (naval shells, telegraphs etc.) are definitely a good base for steampunk technologies.
>>46605156
I think it's just the suggestion that you can still be "hard" in looking at technology
>>46602839
>>46607464
One thing I've wanted to see was a steampunk Meiji restoration. The whole tradition vs, 'dudes, we totally need ironclads' thing and the rapid social upheaval would be quite punk, and mixing that up with boiler-powered Gundams.
Where something like DoomTown fits?
also how to make steam interesting but without being based on Victorian England?
>>46576103
Metroid prime 3
>>46608171
You pic reminds me Myst for some odd reason.
>>46607638
Yeah, that could be cool - and there's a few wars during the Restoration and the Mejii period following it as well, pretty interesting stuff that runs up to the Russo-Japanese War, which was pretty cool
>>46607638
>>46608275
The Far East in general opens up a lot of interesting wars and opportunities for steampunk (and dieselpunk) adventures
