![[TR-8R A.K.A TRAITOR].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cJDQYB4.jpg "[TR-8R A.K.A TRAITOR].jpg")
Stat him!
Cool as fuck/10
>>44297739
Large Magical Beast
>>44297739
>that one guy who plays a normal character in a party of special snowflakes
always the best
>>44297739
He's a big guy
shit mods killed cold weather talk but not this
MODS = SHIT
>>44297739
BBEG Tray-Tor / Stormtrooper
MODS = SHIT
>>44297739
I still don't get why his riot baton would be able to deflect a lightsaber
>>44297919
Because is made of Cortosis alloy the hardest metal known to Star Wars and Cortosis can deflect Lightsabers.
>>44297919
Why can't a stun baton that works on space magic science deflect a laser sword that also works on space magic science?
>>44297919
There's so much stuff in the EU that can block a lightsaber you can literally pick any one out of a dozen explanations.
>>44297789
>It's getting cold, isn't it?
>>44297919
Because it worked in episode 3.
>>44297949
Cortosis is actually very very fragile, it only deflects lightsabers because of it's strange conductive/disruptive properties. Conventional steel can shatter cortosis quite easily, however.
>>44297739
>>44297949
Why would a riot baton be made out of a lightsaber resistant material when you can count the number of jedi in the setting on one hand
>>44298039
It's the stun field around the baton that blocks it. It's the same reason why Grevious's guy's sticks would block lightsaber attacks.
Light sabers can't go through other energy fields.
Should've used a blaster when target was point blank and unaware of his presence.
>>44298039
I loved seeing a greater variety in stormtroopers in this movie, the flamethrower guy made my year.
>>44297739
>Designating the loyalist trooper Traitor
I hate Star Wars fans.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298080
It's a quote not a designation.
>>44298068
He wanted to take the traitorous scum alive: hence the riot stick. Plus: every stormtroopers knows: Blaster + light saber = Blaster shots bounced back at you. Going melee was, effectively, his best option.
>>44298089
The character has been designated TR-8R apparently.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298059
>It's the stun field around the baton that blocks it. It's the same reason why Grevious's guy's sticks would block lightsaber attacks.
Actually, it's because the Electrostaff was made of Phrik.
>>44297919
It uses the same tech as the Magnaguard Staves.
>>44298010
All hail Trey Torr!
Does he die?
>>44298352Han shot first
>>44297919
A lightsaber is a power sword, and a riot baton is a power maul. The power fields repel.
>>44298359Han *should* have shot first on the bridge, too.
>>44297739
This looks like some sort of mediocre-quality cosplay of an actual stormtrooper.
Whats that odd weapon he's got?
>>44298493
TRAITOR detected
>>44298493
Get out TRAITOR
>>44297739
TR-8R
"Traitor!"
Str: 5
Agi: 6
End: 5
Het: 5
Wil: 5
Wit: 6
Int: 3
Per: 4
...
ADR: 6
CAR: 10
TOU: 5
MOB: 8
CHA: 7
Proficiencies: 1H Blunt 10
...
Boons: Tall, Bloodthirsty
Banes: Honorable, Hothead
...
Equipment: Z6 riot control baton, Stormtrooper Shield (Rodela) Stormtrooper Armor, Stormtrooper Helmet, Picture of wife
Total weight: 10 (Not Encumbered)
...
CP: 16
Z6 riot control baton
1H Blunt, M, Strike 7 (+2b) Thrust 7 (+2b) Defense 7(2), Electrified 4
>>44298552
>Banes: Honorable, Hothead
I like you.
>>44298493
*Somebody* needs to go to the cinema.
>>44298574
I know its from the new movie, but it looks worse than actual cosplayers since SW has some serious fans.
>>44297739
-10 hp
>>44297739
I didn't watch the movie yet, but is that just a regular stormtrooper is that a *character*.
I just wish there were more badass rank and file guys in the starwars universe who put up a fight even though they're suppose to be cannon fodder.
Like someone has to have been joe shmo before they rose up to the challenge
My favorite case of a stormtrooper really fighting back instead of just getting slice and diced like cheese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBpN1dm2utA
>>44298651
>I didn't watch the movie yet, but is that just a regular stormtrooper is that a *character*.
Just a dude
>>44298667
thank god. I hate how all fiction treats the rank and file as, "just another slaughter". I can get how veterans and heroes might be used to grunts, but they shouldn't breese through it all. I like watch the first could seconds of Episode 4 and the last battle of episode 6 just because the Empire gets to kill someone and it's an actual battle
>>44298552
I'd play it.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298651
>I just wish there were more badass rank and file guys in the starwars universe who put up a fight even though they're suppose to be cannon fodder.
That's exactly what this guy does.
>>44298717
Can't wait to watch it on Christmas then.
>>44298678
Gundam Unicorn will make your dick rock hard then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKXSn1ZxrLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUVDvW7YP1c
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298107
no, that's the name of one of the other stormtroopers, the "traitor" in question
>>44298010
TRAITOOORRR
>>44298010
I'll try spinning that's a good trick.
>>44298834
Nah, the traitor was called FN-something
>>44297785
Henderson's scale page hasn't been updated with new incidents in a long while, does anyone have screencaps of late Henderson-scale derailments?
>>44298010
TRAITOR !!!
>>44298039
I feel like The First Order is the Jedi-hating extremists left over from The Empire, so it's totally normal for them to deploy anti-Jedi troops in their battalions because, ideologically, that's what they're all about.
>>44298010
Traitor
![sh-figuarts-star-wars-the-force-awakens-riot-control-stormtrooper-02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r7UTFZI.jpg "sh-figuarts-star-wars-the-force-awakens-riot-control-stormtrooper-02[1].jpg")
>>44297739
First Order riot trooper (minion)
Bra 3 Agi 3 Int 2 Cun 2 Wil 3 Pre 1
Soak 5 WT 5 M/R 2/1
Skills (group): Athletics, Discipline, Melee, Ranged (hvy)
Abilities: None
Equipment: Stun Baton (Melee; Damage 6; Crit 2; Range [engaged]; Disorient 2), 2 stun grenades (Ranged [light]; Damage 8; Crit N/A; Range [Short]; Disorient 3, Stun damage, Blast 8, Limited Ammo 1), Riot Shield (Melee; Damage 3; Crit 6; Range [Engaged]; Cumbersome 3, Defensive 2, Deflection 1), First Order stormtrooper armor (+2 Soak), Utility Belt.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298484PFFFFFFFF
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44299306
My /toy/ota.
>>44299406
okay that looks absolutely sick
>>44298850
kek
>>44298059
>Light sabers can't go through other energy fields.
BATTLE OF NABOO WAS AN INSIDE JOB
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44298010
TRAITOR pl0x
>>44299406
that's just an anime cover right there.
And a sick one at that.
Hang on, hang on, if you can just make batons of this crap, why can't you make a big anti-lightsaber shield? Or a bloody suit of armour? Or a net? If there's an easy way to beat this stuff, then why would you ever use a lightsaber? Can these things deflect bullets?
>>44299478
>Hang on, hang on, if you can just make batons of this crap, why can't you make a big anti-lightsaber shield? Or a bloody suit of armour?
It's an energy field, pretty much like a powermace. If it were a suit of armour it would probably roast its wearer alive or keep them in constant paralysis. A regular force field is enough of a shield to prevent a lightsaber, it's what the droidekas used.
>Or a net?
I don't see why it can't be made into one, a stun/energized net sounds like something a bounty hunter would use.
>If there's an easy way to beat this stuff, then why would you ever use a lightsaber?
Because Jedi and Sith train hard to be as good with their weapon as possible, as well as using the force to give them an extra edge.
>Can these things deflect bullets?
Nope.
>>44299478
>why don't they just make armor from lightsaber resistant material
>why don't they just clone force users
>why doesn't everyone just use light sabers
Sup
>>44299622
Damn I'll reinstall this.
Are webms of the stun baton fight available anywhere?
>>44299666
Courtesy of /tv/
http://webmshare.com/play/zYWYw
>>44299478
Why worry about anti-lightsaber tech when there's maybe a handful of fuckers in the entire bloody galaxy using the damn things?
>>44299478
It's rumored that Phasma's armor might have an anti-lightsaber alloy or coating.
>>44299698
Great, thanks anon.
>>44297739
Hatred(Traitors)
>>44298010
TRAITOR
I'm not familiar with how tonfas work, but the way Trey Torr wields his shit looks like the handle rotates. Am I crazy?
>>44298940
Werll it's no screencap but my Rogue Trader group just accidentally travelled five years to the future
>>44299755
Tonfa are designed to spin in their wielders hands, and the handles are made really smooth to help that. It's the guy using it controlling how tightly they hold it and when that decides when it spins and when it stops.
>>44299478Why would you drain a sun to power a weapon? Wouldn't extinguishing a star destroy any life existing on planets within its system?How did Rey know how to use the Jedi Mind Trick despite believing the Jedi weren't real and having no knowledge or training in the Force?Why was Phasma in the movie when she didn't do anything?Why did R2-D2 shut down when Luke left despite having the only piece of information that could lead to his whereabouts?Why did they include a scene with Rey wearing a fighter pilot helmet and whistfully watching a ship leave the atmosphere when her primary character motivation was to never leave Jakku?Why was Rey the worst character?
>>44299836
Her motivation was to wait for her family on Jakku, I'm sure the moment that had happened she was fully expecting to get the fuck off the planet.
>>44299836Because the sun was orbited by barren planets
Because she used the force
Because muh womyn
Rey's the worst because all the above reasons
>>44299836
How did Luke know how to force pull his lighsaber with no training in Empire?
>>44299306
Shouldn't the stun baton have Corotis and shouldn't he have a blaster rifle? He had one in the scene before he drew the baton.
>>44299870Finally a female jedi doing something relevantin the movies, it was about time. And the nigger was almost completely useless the whole movie since he stopped cleaning toilets, so there's that if you don't want to be too politically correct
>>44299836
>How did Rey know how to use the Jedi Mind Trick despite believing the Jedi weren't real and having no knowledge or training in the Force?
There's a theory thatRey had been trained as a Jedi, or partially trained, and she had her memories of it blocked. Some people go further and say she's Luke's daughter too
>>44297739
Did nothing wrong/10
>>44298552
>Picture of wife
Too soon.
>>44299877
He was trained by Obi-Wan, though.
>>44299906
He saved everyones lives a few times.
>>44299906
Finn was easily the best character.
>>44299877
He did...
>>44298552
>Picture of wife
Can't be a picture of wife, Storm Troopers aren't allowed to have wives.
Clearly it must be a picture ofhis former BBF, Finn.
>>44298010
Bazinga!
>>44299836
Most of these have pretty obvious answers if you just think for a minute.
>>44299970
>implying it wasn't the guard that told his pal to go back where they came from when wannabe-vader was having a nerdrage fit
>>44300085
love you dog
>>44299836
>How did Rey know how to use the Jedi Mind Trick despite believing the Jedi weren't real and having no knowledge or training in the Force?
The Force
>Why was Phasma in the movie when she didn't do anything?
Who?
>Why did R2-D2 shut down when Luke left despite having the only piece of information that could lead to his whereabouts?
Depression
>Why did they include a scene with Rey wearing a fighter pilot helmet and whistfully watching a ship leave the atmosphere when her primary character motivation was to never leave Jakku?
Because she wants to but wants to wait for her parents as well.
I bet she's Obi-Wan's or Qui-Gon's (grand)kid of something.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44300263
Phasma was the chick in charge of the Stormtroopers.
>>44300263
What I thought was kinda funny was that that helmet very clearly was "Red Five's" helmet.
Either she has Luke's old helmet or they have replicas in the galaxy.
>>44300328
>Either she has Luke's old helmet or they have replicas in the galaxy.
This doesn't sound too farfetched, to be honest.
>>44297919
I know nothing about the EU, but Iassumed it was specifically designed as a sort of crude Imperial answer to lightsaber technology. Presumably the zappy electrical bits use the same field the lightsaber does, so they repel. Maybe it cuts, too, or maybe it's just a stun thingy.
This is presumably a common enough stormtrooper weapon that Fin got training with it, hence why he can handle sword combat and only mostly suck.
>>44299915
>Some people go further and say she's Luke's daughter too
Who's the mommy, Leia or Chewbacca?
>>44300348
>implying using a stunto would be anything like a glowsword
>>44300340
He's clearly something of a near-myth to most people; they have toy Excalibers, why not replica Red Five helmets?
Of course we also don't really know Rey's backstory at all, which may or may not be explored.
>>44299836
In the movie, somebody mentioned that the Even Bigger Death Star was a "hyperlightspeed weapon."
I took this to mean that it works like the Long-Gun technology from Schlock Mercenary - you fire the weapon, and you fire through hyperspace to hit *any star system in the galaxy*. The Weapon was presumably almost totally stationary, in the middle of a dense star cluster, where hundereds of suns could be reached through sublight or only barely superluminal travel.
So it doesn't consume the Sun of the system it's firing at - that would be pointless. It consumes a different sun, umpteen thousand light-years away.
This is sufficiently threatening that it almost excuses "let's build an even bigger death star."
>>44300069
Do we know all stormtroopers are now child soldiers or is it possible some have been recruited legitimately.
>>44300368
If it's designed to fight against lightsaber users, I can only assume that you need to have an inkling of how lightsaber fights work to use it for this purpose.
>>44298010
RENEGADE
>>44300434
In the (currently non-canon) Dark Empire comics Sheev basically build a big-ass gun on Byss that could shoot planet-busting antimatter missiles through hyperspace anywhere in the Gakaxy, so it's not really a stretch to assume that in this continuity some folks would try something similar; a reinforced position capable of hitting anywhere without even needing to move.
>>44300442
I don't think there's much info on them, but it seems they prefer the child indoctrination thing from what we know.
>>44300453
>>>44300453
>I can only assume that you need to have an inkling of how lightsaber fights work to use it for this purpose.
That's simple though.
The glowing end goes into the other man.
>>44299719
Phasma, man, she was so hyped up, and we see in in three scenes? None of which she actually fights?
>>44298010
TRAITER
>>44300514
>>44300514
I have no idea who Phasma is. I avoided literally all hype and advance buzz about the movie except the first trailer and the fact that Luke, Han, and Leia would be in it, and I know nothing about the EU.
Is this the yellow girl-Yoda with the fisheye lenses?
>>44300535
Oh, OK, the chrome Stormtrooper.
>>44300535
She was the Chrometrooper with the sickass red cape.
>>44300473
I mean, I figure that training "How to stop the other man putting the glowing end into you with this zappy stick" gives you at least a little insight into the use of the glowing thing.
Clearly not enough, since Fin still got pretty rekt.
>>44300535
The six-foot Chrometrooper with the swag cape.
Apparently she'll be appearing in future installments, I guess they're trying to make her the Boba Fett of this trilogy.
Which sorta fits if Finn is Rey's Han.
Rey really was the worst character, though.
I'm hoping Kylo Ren pulls a reverse Luke, and gives Rey a wooping in Episode VIII
>>44300514
If the Funky Four could get out of the trash compactor despite the pests, compacting, and Han Solo then she probably managed it too. So she'll be good to go for the next movie, if a bit miffed.
>>44300553
>Clearly not enough, since Fin still got pretty rekt.
Finn didn't seem to be particularly Force-sensitive (if he was at all) and I'm guessing lightsaber fencing wasn't in his curriculum at Stormtrooper school.
Apparently Finn was in the top #10 of his class there according to what limited materials there are about it, which I kind of have a hard time believing.
Either that or Stormtrooper standards are pretty low.
Did Finn get his spinal cord severed?
Are we going to see a cyborg Finn?
>>44300593
The individual classes might just be small.
>>44300593
>Either that or Stormtrooper standards are pretty low.
Let's be honest, you know it's this. Stormtroopers gonna Stormtrooper.
>>44299915
She reverse engineers it after managing to resist and enter Kylo Ren's mind
>>44300602
>Fin becomes the next robocop.
>>44300602
I dunno. I couldn't even tell if he was dead or not. I assume not since he's still contracted to appear in other films I believe, but who knows?
The second film won't have the same director so you might not get the same kinda thing using the same notes.
>>44300557
It's time to complete his training.
And with all the anger, frustration and grief from killing his father and getting spanked by a girl, he's probably in perfect condition to get a big dark side juice injection.
So I wouldn't hold a significant power up for unlikely here. Smack down the heroes in movie two, setting up for the reversal and happy ever after in three. Tried and tested storytelling.
>>44300593
Lightsaber fencing isn't, adapt and overcome is probably in it however.
Also he did good for what little skill he had. He is still probably not force sensitive, but if hes Landos son he might be good at bluffing.
>>44300368
There is a lot of overlap when it comes to most melee weapons.
>>44298091
No he didn't, it seemed to me like he wanted the traitor killed, hence he rushed into combat.
And why are we assuming a stun baton when no one else used one?
>>44300631
Abrams said outright that he's not as powerful as Vader yet.
Hell, I think his lightsaber might actually be an improvised thing; you noticed it's blade was flickering and hazy around the edges rather then clean, solid light?
Apparently the prop shop called it the "Junk Lightsaber".
I think rather then start as the galaxy's biggest evil threat guy Kylo Ren will slowly grow more dangerous over the films along with the heroes, which is an interesting choice thematically.
>>44300634
He did great, honestly.
Kylo Ren isn't quite Vader yet but it seems likely he has a at least a little more training then Finn does in that sorta stuff and Finn sure didn't embarrass himself in that fight.
>>44298091
He pretty clearly dropped his blaster because he wanted to beat Finn to death for turning against the people he was raised with.
You could hear the sense of betrayal in his voice.
People also forget that Kylo has a big hole in his gut from Chewie's bowcaster. He was fighting at a disadvantage the whole time and still managed to bring Finn down and almost give Rey the closest shave of her life.
>>44300638
In the ANH novelization, Luke recognizes the lightsaber for what it is and Obi-Wan mentions how "it's still used in some galactic regions." Even with Jedi and the Force long forgotten, people know the basic idea of the lightsaber just like modern people now know how a sword is supposed to work, roughly.
Why didn't he just shoot the traitor?
>>44300698
Parallels: Han and Leia wanted Kylo back after his betrayal and all that he did (and Leia will probably find it in herself to forgive him after offing daddy), while the First Order wants Finn dead and buried for daring to turn from them.
>>44300695
He's not quite vader?
Damn straight!
The guy had trouble in a duel with a random stormtrooper who gets his ass kicked on a regular basis, and lost to a girl who quite literally just discovered she could use a lightsaber.
How piss-poor was Kylo's training?
>>44300263
>Who?
>>44300357PhasmaRey, I am your parentlike pottery
>>44298010
TRAITOR!!!1!
>>44300729
He was trained wrong on purpose. As a joke.
>>44297963
I never quite understood this line?
is that from the /x/ picture of a guy's face in a black figure?
>>44300705
The Jedi were only gone for around 21 years by the time of ANH.
>>44298010
TRAITOR!
>>44298552
SPINNING, THAT'S A GOOD TRICK
>Star Wars Episode 8
>Finn and Rey run into a First Order base in pursuit of Ren
>Doors close behind them
>A lone stormtrooper with scorched armor stands in the center of the room
>Finn ignites his lightsaber
>The stormtrooper flips out a baton
>Rey ignites her lightsaber
>The stormtrooper flips out a second baton
>Rey looks uneasily at Finn
>Finn's eyes are wide with horror as the stormtrooper's voice, gravely and low, issues out from his battlescarred helmet
>"Traitor."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
>>44300784
>>44300729
To be fair, Kylo was not in good shape. He'd sustained multiple injuries and emotional trauma.
And Rey used the Force. Kylo's just not as strong with it, especially given how torn he is between the Dark and the Light.
>>44300784
Damn, you just know that we won't get that. It'll just be Phasma.
>>44300729
We have no idea what his hand to hand capabilities are when unwounded. As is, he definitely has stronger willpower/pain tolerance than any movie force user -- absolutely any other force user that is wounded half as bad as he was simply cannot function, at all. Just look at how losing his hand completely shut Vader down.
>>44300729
I get the feeling he was basically seduced away before it really began and was basically told to sink or swim rather then given actual training by Snoke.
I'm pretty sure he was just seeing if he could be useful enough to warrant future investment, especially since Kylo was very clearly torn up about his decisions.
He's like an Anakin from Episode II who WANTS to be Vader but without the necessary experience or angst to actually be him yet so he's kinda overreaching himself in a lot of ways.
I think it suffices plenty most days just because of how few even half-trained Jedi there were running around; a shitty skill is sufficient when nobody else has the necessary skills to counter it.
Rey was clearly pretty gifted in the Force, and I think might actually somehow be related to look; that pilot's helmet was very clearly "Red Five's" helmet, so either she had a replica of she somehow got ahold of Luke's old flight helmet from Yavin.
>>44300453
Don't they have...shotguns for that purpose?
>>44300755
that is Ren as the Lich King....
Because.....
ya....
Go see the movie
>>44300802
Guy took a fucking bowcaster shot to the side; we see those blowing literal holes in stormies and sending up tiny explosions.
I'm guessing he was wearing some kinda armor to survive that shit, but it can't have left him in good shape.
>>44300848
Slugthrowers are not only uncommon weapons, but they are absolute crap against any threat other than an unarmored jedi wielding a lightsaber.
Regular guns are shit in the star wars universe.
This is not new information.
>>44300729
>Nickname: Jedi Killer
>can't even kill civilians
ayyy
>>44300848
Generally speaking, if somebody's, weilding a lightsaber, shooting is a bad plan.
I'm not saying it makes 100% sense, but nothing in Star Wars makes 100% sense below the surface level.
>>44300848
Even good buckshot today is garbage against even low-grade bodyarmor. It's too low-velocity and obviously you don't put a spitzer point on shot.
So they probably figure it'd be pointless to carry one around on the off chance you encounter one of an extinct order of knights.
The baton at least was justified as being for riot control and civilians, not for use in combat against modern enemies.
>>44300884
>I'm not saying it makes 100% sense, but nothing in Star Wars makes 100% sense below the surface level.
Star Wars is basically Space Fantasy with Objective Good and Objective Evil with knights and magic and princesses.
It's designed to be pretty silly and fun in a lot of ways.
>>44300555
Hope it's more of general vs general.
In the background, Finn is stupid accurate with blasters (like 30 something or 30 something +1 kills/shots in a training exercise) and Phasma was probably going to send him to officer school before he went awol
>>44299698
That is so fucking cool. This one short exchange is already better than anything the prequels ever did.
>>44300916
To his defense, Finn did seem fairly competent at everything a stormtrooper is supposed to do (shoot blasters and be in good shape), he was just kinda put in a lot of situations where his training isn't very relevant; fixing machines, flying ships, fighting with lightsabers, etc.
>>44300848
>>44300874
Could a Jedi deflect slugs, or would they melt through the beam and essentially riddle the Jedi behind it with superheated metal?
>>44300695
Ren's light saber is an old Sith design. It uses a shattered crystal and they put too much power into it. The hilt bits are venting excess energy from the blade.
It's like taking a 1.5 V motor for a school project and deciding it needs to go faster and hooking a 9v up to it.
>>44300946
Yeah, they do precisely that.
Jedi just dodge instead of blocking though. Still more effective than a regular blaster at least.
>>44300946
They can dismantle droids that lack shields with a thought, so I wouldn't be surprised if they can TK block solid projectiles.
And there's about a 0% chance that bullets etc. would just go through the lightsaber, any object not instantly destroyed is always repulsed.
>>44300944
>fixing machines, flying ships
Those seem like the exact skills that would be incredibly useful for a storm trooper to have
>>44300946
The bean vaporizes them normally.
>>44300954
At first I thought it was just adding a crossguard, which sorta made sense given how often that would have come in handy but I quickly came to that conclusion as well; his lightsaber looked impressive but seemed unstable and sort of improvised and flickering a lot.
An interesting visual metaphor for Ren himself; he was sufficient in a world with no Jedi but obviously a lot less in control of himself then Vader was.
>>44300848
>Smarty pants stormtrooper attempts to shoot jedi with shotgun
>Jedi catches pellets with the force, dashes past and psssh nothin' personell's him.
>>44300944
To be honest all the Stormtroopers actually hit things with their blasters sometimes. It's a big improvement already.
>>44300985
You do know that Stormtroopers and Imperial Pilots are entirely separate careers, with next to zero interaction between the two fields?
Tie Pilots don't learn to shoot, Stormtroopers don't learn to fly.
>>44300985
especially one in a self-sufficient group on the fringe
but hey someone's got to be the butt of the jokes, and it's not going to be Rey
>>44297919
Because of the rule of cool.
>>44300985
in all likelihood its like the US military, everyone can fight but then you have a separate specialty, his was waste disposal
>>44300990
When half the audience laught when the supposed bad guy removes his mask it's a kinda bad sign I guess.
>>44301003
>Tie Pilots don't learn to shoot
>all storm troopers don't get basic arms training
well that explains a lot
>>44300985
Most stormtroopers (at least originally) are really only meant for combat.
None of the Imperial engineers or pilots seen in the movies are Stormtrooper-trained; each one had it's own training academy in the Empire, much like how combat engineers in real life aren't the same as regular infantry or jet pilots, and aren't "universal soldiers" of any sort.
I bet Finn knows how to field-strip a blaster but not take apart a car and re-assemble it.
Plus it seems these stormtroopers have some pretty strict dehumanizing training.
>>44301048
Have you considered that the people in your cinema are idiots?
>>44300884
To give them credit, only Jedi have the ability to use lightsabers to do those things: your average joe with a laser sword is semi-realistically potrayed as being out of their depth trying to use it to any effect when blasters are everpresent and a much better fit for those not versed in its use.
Another thing about tho movie,
I thought that tie fighters where not pressurized, but at the beginning, fin helps the pilot escape and they're not wearing any space suits.
>>44301064
You gotta admit the guy looks goofy.
>>44300695
I'mstill hoping he eventually becomes a good goi in the middle like his EU counterpart and Rey succumbs to the dark side.
>>44301064
That's a lot of idiots, for a city where the main economic activity is nanotech.
>>44301088
Original Ties require pilots to be pressurized.
These are new models, 30 years in the future. We've seen that no space suits were required, so we know that they are not.
Was the movie good?
>>44301064
The guy does look like a goofball. A lot of people won't notice that that's the point. Kylo Ren is a tryhard edgelord who really wants to be a badass sith lord, but he's a shrill nerd with emotional issues and he's nowhere near as badass as his idol in person, and he secretly can't bring himself to be as much of an asshole as Vader did because he's just not that much of an asshole.
The series is like an inversion of Anakin Skywalker's narrative, where instead of being this competent guy struggling against his emotions luring him to the dark side, he's this really incompetent guy struggling against his innate decency pulling him towards the light. He wants to be an asshole but he just can't do it, like the guy who writes CE on his character sheet but never kills or rapes anyone because he doesn't have the heart for it.
>>44301088
....
Lore says no life support.
They are probably pressurized but they had a limited amount of O2
Or First Order spent the extra cash to get them upgraded.
Will look into
>>44301000
They actually seemed to be a threat for a change.
>>44301056
>Plus it seems these stormtroopers have some pretty strict dehumanizing training.
Finn gets berated by Phasma for taking his helmet off. They're not meant to think of even themselves or their fellow troopers as people.
>>44301088
In the EU there was a move to pressurize TIE cockpits from like the TIE Advanced (not Vader's, but the mass produced version) onwards.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44301131
Wait, what city is this?
>>44301088
There's the TIE and a new TIE Elite piloted by the special forces, it's on the Wookiepedia.
>>44301126
>Rey succumbs to the dark side.
kek
That will NEVER happen.
>>44301088
They steal a TIE/sf, upgraded two man version with life support and hyperdrive.
>>44301055
Basic is a lot different from specialist.
I had a "fun" stint in the Marines as a noncom; I learned HOW to shoot but it sure as hell wasn't my primary field of expertise and I got a lot less practice then your average rifleman.
>>44301088
Older TIE's were, but they also didn't have rear gunners and couldn't land the way they were parked in the film.
It HAS been 30 years after all, I wouldn't be surprised if they added moderate shields too.
Do light sabers even have any weight? I thought the whole reason jedi could use them was because you need specific training/force senses to be able to be able to wield a beam of light without accidentally cutting off your own head
>>44301149
Does it really matter ?
>>44297785
I always find those types of player as very humble and reserved.
>>44301171
>tfw film-makers have no balls
>we're just going to get more poetry
>>44301191
I don't believe that a city exists where the main economic activity is nanotech.
>>44301143
>Finn gets berated by Phasma for taking his helmet off. They're not meant to think of even themselves or their fellow troopers as people.
I bet they CAN take them off, but only with explicit permission from their superior, which is another good way of emphasizing how much they own you; no identity, no skills or knowledge beyond what they give you, no name, no freedom.
These stormtroopers were even more of a human gun then the Clones (whom developed a lot of individuality over time) were.
>>44301226
Grenoble, in the Alps.
>>44301190
A light saber is like a sword, anyone could use it. Jedi had limited precognition and better reaction times so they could use them to deflect blasters and had more agility with them.
>>44301190
something something gyroscopes something magnetic fieldsSeriously I don't remember the canon reason but it was something like that
>>44299836
>How did Rey know how to use the Jedi Mind Trick despite believing the Jedi weren't real
She thought they were a legend. Given Watto's response to Qui-Gon's attempts to mind trick him, the Jedi Mind Trick is a pretty big part of the legend, up there with lightsabers.
>Why was Phasma in the movie when she didn't do anything?
Moichandizing!
>Why did R2-D2 shut down when Luke left despite having the only piece of information that could lead to his whereabouts?
Robodepression.
>Why did they include a scene with Rey wearing a fighter pilot helmet and whistfully watching a ship leave the atmosphere when her primary character motivation was to never leave Jakku?
Because she wants to leave, she just wants to leave WITH her family she can no longer remember. She's basically a prisoner to her own desperate hope, right down to keeping a record of the length of her "sentence"
>Why was Rey the worst character?
Because she was an entirely too "safe" character. Finn was a coward and fuckup trying his hardest to be someone else, Po was a bro, but Rey never once failed at anything. Sure, they justified her familiarity with the Falcon, her melee skills, and even softballed that last fight for her (Ben was seriously fucked up physically and emotionally by the time her got to her), but it still all came too easily to her.
She was still rather enjoyable, though, just the least interesting newcomer by far.
>>44301264
Rey is a classic victim of Girlbrush Threepwood syndrome. They were too afraid to move in any direction so they just made the most boring inoffensive character possible.
>>44300442
There might be clones too, either that or Kylo was making a reference to the clone wars.
>>44301303
I couldn't have put it this well, but you've summed up exactly what I think.
>>44300514
Because she's the Boba of the new trilogy
>looks cool
>way overhyped
>in only like three scenes
>dies like a bitch
>>44299666
the devil salutes thee, oh trips of samael!
>>44301264
At least now we know where all those destroyed ships go.
>>44301264
>Po was a bro
Goddamn he was.
Guy was this remarkably trusting hero who totally believer in Finn being a hero even when Finn himself wasn't sure.
Also, crazy good showing in his X-Wing as Black Leader in that first fight; he vapes like five TIEs in two seconds and takes out a bunch of ground emplacements all in one pass.
He's Definitely NuWedge.
>>44301303
>Girlbrush Threepwood
Something tells me this isn't related to the fearsome pirate, care to explain?
>>44301325
>dies like a bitch
She's in contract for at least one more film: presumably she survives the garbage compactor.
Wouldn't be hard; she has rank and a communicator in her helmet.
>>44301346
He's a good pilot too, got a bit of Luke in him.
>>44300848
Shotguns suck balls. Use flamethrowers instead. Jedi do not enjoy being roasted.
>>44301113
I liked that about him. He's wearing that mask so seem cool because underneath he's this weird kid that worships his Sith Husbando, hates his parents, and wants to appear in control. Meanwhile he's a dorky looking guy that has temper tantrums and barely knows what he's doing.
>>44301113
Yeah...if he's trying to be Darth Vader 2: Electric Boogaloo then he's failing pretty damn hard at it. Vader was so menacing because we never saw his face, only heard that menacing voice and mechanical breathing. This guy...he really does look like a skinny emotional kid trying to play Sith.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44301400
>This guy...he really does look like a skinny emotional kid trying to play Sith.
Which is exactly what he is.
>>44301303
Oh absolutely. That's what I mean by a safe character. I went into the movie expecting Finn to be the same way as the token and the presumed black jedi, but he turned out to be a really good character
>>44301088
It seems like the Empire started to care a lot more about casualties and having people survive when they were reduced to Space North Korea.
>>44301400
>>44301415
Well that's what Anakin was too. He just wasn't ugly too
>>44301380
Wedge was a better pilot then Luke.
Well, maybe.
He had more field time then look in starfighters anyway by the end of his career.
>>44301400
Abrams said that was kinda the point; his lightsabers imprecise, he's making it up as he goes, he's heavily torn by doubt, he's emotionally not in control, etc.
He's mimicking Vader without actually knowing what Vader was like, idolizing a man who he never knew by anything other then legend and reputation and trying to live up to something that he doesn't have first-hand experience of.
>>44301350
It is.The idea is, Guybrush Threepwood was a sort of goofy, dumb loser who bumbles his way across his adventure, saves a girl who turns out to be more competent than he is, and basically is a scrappy underdog jackass
The problem is if you told the same story with Galbrush instead of Guybrush (a female version of the character) people would call it sexist, because you're portraying a woman as an inept bimbo who stumbles around like a moron and eventually gets saved by the guy she was trying to help.
The point is that because people are very sensitive about not portraying women negatively, female characters often end up being boring because they lack flaws and human weaknesses.
>>44301400
>This guy...he really does look like a skinny emotional kid trying to play Sith.
>>44301382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus
>inb4 not canon
>People thinking Kylo Ren is made to look intimidating rather than insecure
>>44301384
When I said the audience laughed it's not a bad thing altogether. The character makes a good contrast with the totally not nazi general, and has room for improvement. The thing is, he was made to the the edgy "nothing personal" kid.
>>44301350
It's an old rant about how if you reverse the genders in Monkey Island it'll suddenly become sexist to people looking for things to get offended at, which is why most people don't bother with female protagonists as they're not allowed to have flaws
>>44301458
He's Revolver Ocelot from Snake Eater.
You look at Kylo Ren, and he's so cringeworthy and awkward, but in ten years that guy is going to be a fucking badass.
>>44301449
>>44301464
I see, thanks for the explanation.
>>44301449
>Finn and Rey are archetypal Guy and Galbrush Threepwoods
LIKE POTTERY
>>44301447
Wedge was also not force sensitive, in any way.
And yet somehow he survives all the shit he does. It's a miracle.
>>44298010
Traitor
>>44301475
I mean, he killed his dada and got caught up. He's gonna be a lot meaner the next movie.
>>44301486
Same way Han does; he's really good, and really, really lucky.
Mostly good in Wedge's case though.
>>44298010
TRAITOR
>>44301400
I'm pretty sure that "Tryhard Sith kid" is exactly what Abrams was going for.
>>44297739
WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I1 A1 Ld7
>>44298010
TRAAAITORRR!!
>>44301138
Well said.
>>44301486
Anyway Po looks really like he's from the eighties, from style to personality.
>>44301532
>i1
what
>>44301463
>The thing is, he was made to the the edgy "nothing personal" kid.
One that actually can if not teleport behind you, then at least immobilise you while he walks around you to chop you up, or just force drag your ass in front of him, or direct a blaster bolt into your nuts, or maybe just plain hate you to death.
He's a sad little loser, and would be absolutely pants-wettingly terrifying to have around.
>>44301556
What is it about Po's demeanor and personality that remind me of the 80's? Because I got that same vibe from him as you did.
>>44301589
He's a spoiled edgy autistic kid with superpowers and probably a sonichu pendant.
He's the villain 4chan deserves.
>>44301606
His cockiness coupled with genuinely good will, but with a good amount of badass maybe?
Yeah, Kylo kinda looks like a guy you wanna steal lunch money from, but that trick he did at the beginning holding the blaster bolt still in mid air was pretty fucking spooky.
I wouldn't want to get into a fight with the guy.
