Suddenly, Eight-thousand Eight-hundred eighty-eight Khornate Berserkers appear in the middle of Time Square, and start doing what they do best. How well would humanity fare against them? Would our military be able to withstand them? Let's assume they cannot get so mad that they summon daemonkin and whatnot. There's only the eight-thousand eight-hundred eighty-eight of them.
Easily disposed of. Air superiority is a thing
Most of the USA is destroyed in their path, they tear through any defensive lines put up, everyone evacuates and the world nukes the fuck out of them.
This stops the main force but occasionally a small squadron appears throughout the world and kills a few thousand people before being stopped
>>44006085
I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people would be slaughtered, but like this anon said:
>>44006146
Just start hitting them with missiles and they're fucked most likely.
Realistically no force as small as a chapter or legion of space marines, minus air and/or orbital support, could pose a threat to modern-day earth.
They'd simply be taken out from the air or with anti-tank weaponry, e.g. the FGM-148 Javelin.
>>44006085
they destroy most of newyork before being blown to smithereens by the united states military. The image of an A10 brrrrrrrting the fuck out of Khorne Beserkers makes my rage boner harder then you can possibly imagine.
You kind of fucked them out of the gate OP. If they COULD summon daemons, then they'd be in business, since a Bloodthirster would easily take out any plane or tank coming at them.
>>44006226
>>44006190
>>44006146
This.
The imediate amount of casualties will be enourmous, the collateral damage extreme and the New York City a thing of the past, but they can be contained as soon as the armed forces notice that anti Tank weapons still take them out.
>>44006085
Easy. Artillery, Missiles, Aircraft. GG.
40k runs on rule of cool.
>>44006251
>Mfw imagining a Bloodthirster swatting a drone out of the air.
Their only chance is if a really tightwad general refuses to waste anti-tank weapons on mere infantry.
>>44006085
NYC is erased in hours, they deploy the fucking army only to get mulched, shit starts to escalate and the whole state is lost as the army carpet bombs the entire New York state and drops a nuke on the remains on NYC.
Khorne is angry, yet pleased.
>>44006661
Isn't that the same thing for Khorne?
I think regular military infantry would be pretty horribly fucked (fifteen Khornate berserkers against a regular squad of typically armed soldiers doesn't feel like it'd work out terribly well) and civilian casualties are through the roof. These ARE Space Marines, they're fucking tough and designed to be devastating and these ones are hopped up on Khorne rage, but once we give New York up for lost, we can probably bomb them to smithereens easily enough.
>>44006594
Nah, when conventional fire stops working, they just start bombing indiscriminately.
The berserkers would be fucked in 1945, much less 2015. They might have a chance in a post-WW1 pre-ww2 world though.
>>44006298
the real question is:
how long would it take for the U.S. to nuke it?
I bet many politicians would get in the way by saying "the ends don't justify the means" or "I don't want to be a murderer" because they have got family/money there
>>44006817
Do they need approval from the full government? Couldn't the president declare a full state of emergency and just do it?
>>44006817
>nukes
>for 8000 infantry
Just send in the tanks and evacuate the five boroughs. Fuck the wank, even fluff marines outside their codexes are nowhere near powerful enough to warrant claiming the "ultimate powah" wankmarines is anything but in universe propaganda.
What would the fallout of this be? Assuming we do manage to annihilate them completely, what happens when we go back in and find the remnants of 40K era tech?
What's the reaction around the world? Not just to the bombing to kill these things off, but to the things themselves? How much apocalypse talk will there? The end times a-comin'? Was it God or the Devil? How many wackjob UFO cults spring up around this?
Or is it all hushed up by world governments who say it was a virus or massive terrorist attack?
>>44006085
REMINDER that Black Library wrote a story (Call of the Lion) where a group of Dark Angels knock down a strawman 21st century planet. They ignore 50cal rounds, absorb tank shots, punch said tanks in half, and teleport terminators into the UN to kill everyone before orbital bombarding the place.
>>44006846
I don't know about their politics, but even the president wouldn't want to look like a "bad guy"
>>44006877
Well, the current president can't be re-elected anyway. Might as well go down in history right?
>>44006859
A wankfic that goes against the tendency of the writers to lowball so much that the tech is basically mostly ww2 in space down to armor strengths.
>>44006902
dude, if the Space Marines attacked with their fleet then they'd be able to deploy and/or bombard where ever they wanted. They'd have orbital superiority, knockout satellites, utterly dominate in conventional warfare which they'll fight whenever they want to.
Sure, they won't have infinite ammo but Space Marines are all about attacking the best locations, surgical strikes onto targets that will cause the most harm and destabilize leadership and resources.
Besides, Space Marines can totally tear into tanks with their fists, though likely not rip one in half. Certainly enough to rip the hatch open and drop a grenade in.
Like this anon said >>44006859 I'm not really sure how much damage conventional weaponry would to basically tougher and pissed Space Marine.
>>44007161
That's nice, dear, now read the OP.
>>44006085
I see what you did there. And instead of ignoring it and saving humanity, the thread has shown what the reaction would be instead, actualizing an extremely bloody conflict that never had to happen.
Greight beight meight.
>>44007350
oh my boy, I was talking with reference to the more recent post, the one you ere replying to, sorry for not being clear on that.
I just dont see khornate betserkers killing in times square very long. Wheres the challenge?
>>44008378
They would probably keep killing civilians to draw out their military.
That's what I would do anyway.
>>44006727
>>44006661
>Murder boner intensifies
>>44006085
>>44006190
>>44006742
>>44006226
>>44006248
>>44006298
didn't angron and his legion manage to slaughter everyone on his home world in a day
>>44006085
There would be so much murder in the name of Khorne that eventually daemons would start showing up.
Seriously, the amount of blood spilled would be retarded.
>>44009592
Yeah, but that was a whole legion. How many men were in that legion?
>>44009625
probably on the lower number considering the world eaters liked to throw themselves into battle
>>44009625
Aren't there ten thousand spess marines to a legion? And besides, even if there were several hundred thousand of them, common sense and laws of physics would prevent them from wiping out the population of a whole planet without proper preparation and/or outstanding circumstance.
>>44009615
This the amount of slaughter would create warp rifts the sacrifice of innocents would lead to daemons.
Which would be reed by the easy murder of the NYC and states citizens
>>44009680
A hundred thousand plus ships to carry them, nuke entire countries, charge the rest, easy and cheap exterminatus.
I want to join them in their unholy crusade to spill blood for the blood god.
A huge problem would be even after killing them, we'd all naturally wanna see what sort of tech went I to their power armor and other equipment, or hell, even the immediate coverage of the marines.
Earth has never faced a genuine memetic threat before, we're gonna be so boned from that chaos corruption.
>>44009813
that wouldn't happen all the 40k fans would immediately spring into action to bring about the god emperors fate and stop anyone being affected by the heretical technology
>>44009981
Faith is what I meant to type not fate
>>44009981
>build shrine of G/Mork
>shout at it while blowing stuff up
>summon waagh
>get popcorn
>>44010030
are you saying that orks would show up?
>>44006085
Even if we assume that a KB is comparable to ten exceptionally good tanks put together, which is wanking of the lowest order, that still only means a force of less than a hundred thousand tanks, nothing that cannot be handled by a proper army, especially given KBs' obvious problems with logistics (ammunition comes from where?).
Wankhammer fanboys are simply acting rabid over their favourite shit not being the best evar in every powerlever shitfest.
>>44010185
>Implying that ammo actually matters to berserkers.
RIP
AND
TEAR
Considering a conventional rifle or sidearm your average yank is toting is equivalent to a strength 2 firearm, infantry is funked.
>>44010768
> a berserker trying to catch a tank Benny Hill-style while the tank shoots its entire ammunition at it
And I'm quite sure there is a way to refuel at least some tanks on the run, so no, no stopping for you.
>>44010918
How the fuck is a tank gonna hit a Marine dead on while on the move from a Superhuman?
>>44011272
can you give me the average speed of a khorne berzerker
>>44006085
Badly. It would be a massacre beyond belief. Not to mention that no country has ever bombed IT'S OWN SOIL before.
You have close to nine thousand supermen rampaging around a city. Everyone in the city is going to be dead before it's over.
>>44009720
>>44006298
>>44006085
New yorkers are fags anyway. except for jontron who is secretly a nurglite champion.
>>44011305
Well an average spess marine can probably run on average 60mph without armor fluffwise. A khornate motherfucker with his brain nails and warp adrenaline could easily outpace surpass that.
>>44011426
so some what faster then a US tank.
>>44011426
>>44011445
Doesn't have to be a tank, then. You can just strap all the big enough weapons on any platform capable of moving fast enough and shoot/bomb the fuckers until the last of them drops dead.
>>44011475
so its possible for armor to stand up to them if the have the numbers and speed
now about the civies how many could they take out?
>>44011556
A few thousands? A few tens of thousands? Even if the danger is downplayed and evacuation would be done slowly, it would still be done, so the damage would be minimised, unless the berserkers were to construct guarded death camps, for which they really, really have no logistical capability. And that's assuming the berserkers have immediate genocide as their primary goal instead of establishing military superiority, which isn't, putting lightly, likely.
>>44011724
most likely they just break up into squads run off in random directions and go butchering everyone in their path then what would they be like
>>44011808
Guerilla warfare? Sure, why not. That'd be their best shot at surviving the longest… in theory. In practise, that would reduce their logistical capacity even more, so given a dedicated plan and competent staff, a properly fielded army should wipe most of them out in about a year. And then there's the issue of them not being able to merge crowds, so that would further limit their options and capacity for destruction.
Really, warfare since at least the Industrial Revolution has always been a clash of economies and logistics, and since a random army of KBs has neither, there is no way they could cause nearly as much damage as fanboys claim they would have.
>>44006085
I doubt that real life physics would help them much. If all else fails, have GW retcon them to being weak.
>>44006085
>almost nine thousand berzerkers in Times Square
the ones stuck in the middle start killing the ones around them so that they can get to the civilians. after a bit of killing the civilians, the ones on the outside start killing the ones in the middle because they won't stop killing the ones on the outside. most of the khornate force annihilates itself; the military takes some casualties mopping up the last few.
seriously berserkers are one of the worst choices for this. even other khornate marines chain berserkers up between missions because they can't be trusted not to go apeshit on their fellow chaos marines. 7777 plague marines or even 6666 noise marines would probably end up inflicting a lot more damage even if only because they're far less likely to attack their fellows if they can't find an enemy to kill two seconds after they hit the ground
>>44011724
Just imagine a Bezerker made it past the defense line or Kharn. He revs his chain axe along a heavily condensed traffic of people and vehicles. What a jolly good time he'll have.
Better question is what would happen if a Chaos sorcerer lord appears in Time square? A Nurgling would also be interesting. But once he sees the overly obese m'uricans he/she/it will just probably think Papa nurgle redecorated his realm. A slaneeshi champion would just head straight to the nearest rave den.
>>44006851
>What would the fallout of this be?
My guess would be iridium and Strontium 90.
>>44006846
Not for nuclear weapons. The partial codes are in the hands of multiple people, specifically to keep one person from becoming unbalanced and launching.
But our M3 Bradleys could take out space marines. TOW missiles and 25mm chain guns would work well enough, and there's a couple armored regiments at Ft. Drum, so NYC would be fucked, but they'd be stopped, probably at the bridges off the island.
>>44012403
You are a stupid exaggerating piece of fuck.
Even the ultra rage super blood-murder daemon engines don't attack allied chaos forces during battles where clear enemies are present.
>>44012403
>the ones stuck in the middle start killing the >ones around them so that they can get to the >civilians. after a bit of killing the civilians, the >ones on the outside start killing the ones in the >middle because they won't stop killing the ones >on the outside. most of the khornate force >annihilates itself; the military takes some >casualties mopping up the last few.
the real trouble will start when those "mopping up" forces will arrive zerkers will get something to fight besides themselves given that all nearby civs either killed or evacuated already so lets say there is 888 khornate berserkers with intact armor and weapons left this will be enough to wage war for a looong time since those tough fucker can survive nuking not to mention air strikes and tanks which are will be total shit in the urban environment against sm
>>44006085
these guys would be at their most effective when:
>no 2nd amendment
>black guys prefer pot over packing gats
>the education system + drugs makes you super docile.
then again, any threat would level perfect hippie america.
>>44013541
One of the quick ways to point out a lad with a dick even he finds trouble finding in his pants is to hear him say "muh gun". I don't think I've met even a single person who wished for free gun ownership for reasons other than being a criminal and requiring the gun in his field of work or being a loser and using said gun to compensate for his self-esteem issues.
>>44013631
Well I think YOU have a small penis.
>>44013631
>I've never shot any sort of projectile weapon in my life and know nothing of their joys beyond what the media and feminists tell me about them.
>>44013686
It this seriously your answer? Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
>>44013771
So you do have a microdick. You probably have a whole sleight of excuses for not being able to use your fists, don't you?
>>44013129
>Khornate Berzerkers will gladly slaughter even their own allies when their blood lust has been stoked by the thrill of battle or simply because they have run out of enemies.
>>44013541
>>44013631
Remember boys, both sides of any political issue are filled with assholes like these. One side isn't free of them.
>>44013815
>I can always tell if someone has a tiny dick by their opinions
>But you can't, that'd be RIDICULOUS
>>44013815
Very much yes. It makes all the pelivic-thrusting less dangerous to our person.
>>44012403
>9999 tzeentch marines show up in time square
>composed of 999 rubric sorcerers, the rest rubric marines
>they immediately vanish into thin air with the eerie whisper 'all is dust'
>world wide paranoia spikes to unimaginable levels
>over the next 100 years they slowly infiltrate and manipulate all the governments of the world.
>they eventually rule the world without firing a single bolt shell
the rubric marines are just in case some crazy conspiracy theorist is actually right and they need to send them in
>>44013129
Except there are no clear enemies, just panicking civilians legging it and a couple donut-chugging cops with peashooters. No challenge, no fun.
But that huge guy next to you, with the huge axe, frothing visage and hateboner bulge in his power armor? You'd be a bitch to go after the meek and fragile nu yawkers.
Then again, I guess they could be pissed off at them being too weak and chase them down anyway. It's kind of hard to tell, common sense and predictability isn't really their strong suit.
>>44014007
Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
>>44014009
If I were a sociologist, I could have defended more than one paper on the issue of little men and their fear of powerlessness.
>>44014007
>>44013815
>>44013686
>>44013631
Ladies, ladies, please! Behave! All your clitorises are beautiful.
>there's only 8,888 of them
Anti-tank weapons or no, we are fucked.
>>44006146
>>44006190
>>44006298
>>44006757
Not likely to work. That number of Khorne Zerkers probably has conquered (IE completely slaughtered) Hive Worlds.
We're fucked.
>>44014198
> people in steel cans with grenade launchers will slaughter anyone at all
Please.
>>44014198
No they haven't, every warband worth its salt has a tremendous army of human heretics who do the vast majority of actual 'conquering' in any Chaos invasion, same as Space Marines coordinate with PDF, Imperial Guard, or in worst case scenarios their own serfs to get the numbers needed to take planets, which you absolutely cannot do with only one thousand men in your army on a fundamental level
>>44014301
then how did Gabriel conquer Kronus with only a thousand marines?
checkmate mortal
>>44013541
I'm actually impressed at how you managed to shoehorn your retarded politics into this thread. Also what gun that the second amendment allows you to carry is gonna do shit against guys wearing armor that can shrug off .50 cal rapid fire explosive bullets.
Slightly different scenario: one Khornate Beserker, in a small city. How long does it take for suffiecient firepower to show up, and what is his bodycount until then?
>>44014159
what if all 8,888 had red power rings?
>>44014385
Shall not be infringed means you can own autocannons and up. In tabletop autocannons are decently effective against marines, and in lore chaos marine Havocs use them regularly because they are both easy to maintain and capable of killing other marines.
>>44014679
Pic related, it's a space marine armed with an autocannon
>>44011364
Uh, lots of countries have bombed their own soil. The Soviet Union springs readily to mind. Unless you mean specifically nukes used in anger, in which case only two have ever been used in the first place, so...
>>44014617
what if MacGyver had a green power ring?
>>44014679
40k weapons are also nothing like are modern day weapons. Bolters are already comparable to 30mm autocannons like those used by the Apache, literally blowing people into chunky salsa and scrapping light vehicles. And that's where space marine weapon power starts.
It's also important to remember that Khornate =/= retarded. Khorne does not exclusively hold to melee combat, and ranged firepower plays a big part in Khorne's armies. Like heavy bolters or rotar cannons.
>>44015001
>Khorne does not exclusively hold to melee combat, and ranged firepower plays a big part in Khorne's armies. Like heavy bolters or rotar cannons.
His berserkers on the other hand aren't going to be seen with anything more long ranged than a pistol.
>>44015001
>Bolters are already comparable to 30mm autocannons
No they are not. At all. They are .50 or 12.7 maybe similar to short 20mm.
Standard autoguns that are just like modern day assault rifles are Str 3 weapons. Bolters are Str 4.
>>44015068
But are likely to be pacling power fists chainfists and power weapons alongside plasma pistols. Especially if theirs 8888 of them. Not all will be equipt like that but enough to fuck with tanks and helis
>>44015001
Without a logistical element, ranged weapon usage becomes null because they run out of ammunition very quickly.
>>44009625
Something like 150,000. So a bit more than in this scenario.
>>44015137
.75 but as >>44015183 the point is moot in the long run, especially since those are berserker, without logistical support.
>>44014810
> The Soviet Union springs readily to mind.
On which occasion did that ever happen?
Let's be honest here. Modern military would completely slaughter 40k armies without plot armor.
40k tanks don't even have fucking stabilizers. They are fancy looking WW2 tech.
>>44014301
What if neckbeards start converting? I mean they may fight and die like roachs, but man. Dat body count.
>>44006085
They're not zombies or anything, they're a problem sure, but not a problem that gets EXPONENTIALLY worse.
They'd be taken care of in less than a week, they won't make it out of the city either.
New York is fucking gone though.
Earth is simply fucked. 10,000 year old vets will wreak this planet. Ignore the casuals who think World Eaters are stupid, these are the most deadly war minded faction in 40k when you get down to it. Each one is a 60+ mph running super tank that has the blood of worlds FAR more advanced then ours on their hands. We will find out cities and lands destroyed if we dont nuke them immediately, which we wont due to our own stupidity, and even THEN if a number of them are packing Terminator armor, jump packs, bikes, vehicles we are still in more trouble. Remember, berserkers are NOT idiots, but perfect killers.
They will slaughter enough souls to EASILY breach the warp and start manifesting demons. There are 8.3 million people in NY alone, easily enough to bring the demons on, then its over. Raining blood alone would probably be enough to fuck with the types of aircraft we have with the blood caking in engines and propellars along with blood thirsters smashing them from the skys.
People who think we could reasonably adapt and win are fooling themselves. A single chaos marine can kill a world in 40k's fluff when left unattended. 8,888, the equivalent of 8 chapters, would bury us completely.
>>44015225
Approximately the entirety of 1942-1944, the Russians engaged in as much tactical and operational bombardment of the Axis armies on Russian soil as the Luftwaffe would allow.
>>44011272
easily? stabilizing technology has progressed since ww2.
>>44015308
Yes, yes, I was too tired to read your post correctly.
>>44015359
No worries m8
>>44013129
Yeah they do. It was like that in the rules for them for many editions.
>>44014711
An Alpha Legion Marine.
If Alpha Legion were attacking the US, before the first marine showed up they'd have got the military scattered across the globe and unable to respond coherently to a threat, paralyzed the political system, encouraged factionalism to make it easier to play a tribe vs. tribe game, probably managed to ramp tensions so high that a coherent response was basically impossible.
>>44015282
Thank you! Everyone here is treating this like we are fighting a buncha ork boyz with no shootas. Khorne isn't the God of Stupidity, they are gonna adapt as they learn more information. And when word gets around that they are fighting for a literal God, no one thinks cults aren't going to start popping up when people start thinking that might be their chance of survival, or even that they can become powerful like the invading superhumans? We are going to have massive global paranoia, which is a deadly even if there wasn't a Chaos invasion going on.
Even if we do win, this world is fucked from all the chaos influence. It'll be like Pre-Emperor Terra/Africa, fucking warlords and technobarbarians running around, raping and pillaging.
>>44014330
He let the imperial guard do most of the work, as usual.
>>44015137
Anon are you fucking retarded? The game stats aren't canon and mean nothing, they're simply there to keep the illusion of there being a balanced game instead of going full Sigmar. Really, the game stats just show you actually don't read shit when it comes to 40k. Also we know the caliber for autoguns, and they're 8.5mm.
Bolters are 20mm, but have the power of a 30mm autocannon in that they completely destroy people with single shots and will shred light vehicles.
>“He swung his bolter up. His weapon had a gash in the metal of the foregrip, the legacy of a greenskin’s axe during Ullanor, a cosmetic mark Loken had told the armourers not to finish out. He began to fire, not on burst, but on single shot, feeling the weapon buck and kick against his palms. Bolter rounds were explosive penetrators. The men he hit popped like blisters, or shredded like bursting fruit. Pink mist fumed off every ruptured figure as it fell.”
Horus Rising, p.25
>>44015068
No anon, these are 'zerkers as well. We know from Talon of Horus that Khornate Berserkers carry heavy weaponry as well as melee weapons. Khorne is about bloodshed, he doesn't care if it results from chopping a person in half or blowing them to smithers.
>>44014330
He didn't conquer kronus, and only had a single company with him at the time.
>>44014301
No, marine chapters can and will kill the armed forces of entire planets with a couple hundred dudes. No, it doesn't make any sense.
40k doesn't make sense.
>>44015282
Per OP, no deamon summoning.
Also, it is not stupidity to not go nuclear on an unknown quantity, especially infantry.
Moreover, no logistics, no armoured transport or support, few if any tank busting weapons, no anti-air, a complete lack of organisation means that at the most they would last a relatively long while, a few months at the most, rampaging left and right. Their number would quickly dwindle, and they would remain fairly easy to find.
As Khornates, they are not retarded, but their patrons requires that the blood flow. This quells any capability for long term warfare when you must kill something every day. Willfully ignoring slaughter is not well regarded by Khorne after all.
The biggest trouble would be the impact of the stragglers, who while not hard to follow still mean death incarnate without proper response. If a few are seperated from the whole and murdering away, a lot of civilians will die stupid deaths. This would be costly. And be the cause of a relative amount of political unrest. Though with the fact those would hardly ever slowed by those who would take things in their own hands, panic is far more likely.
On the other hand drawing them in with the promise of a good fight while setting up a killbox is a viable strategy. Not one which would be set up early, but viable enough. All because there is no clear chain of command.
When Angron directs 50,000 World Eaters in a massive rampage, that's with a clear purpose and command capability. When 8,888 berserkers appear out ot thin air, that's a heavy number of losses on our side, but not the complete collapse of our world. So far as we know, they do not have a Khorne aligned lord amongst them. As such, they do not have the means to create something akin to a proper invasion.
>>44015240
8,888 running tanks that can punch through tank armor, each going 65+mph with senses as good as our technology and 10,000 years of experience killing world WAY more advanced then this world will steamroll ANY military ground operation this planet can throw at them. Your an idiot for thinking we would ever survive that. Our moden infantry would lose their shit trying to fight these things. Just the experience of seeing them move reduces normal men to shambles due to how they are described in the Heresy.
>>44015625
Not having a khorne aligned warlord is the stupidest assumption; who do you think brought them all there in the first place?
Obviously some chaos lord was all let's all go through this slaughter gate; khorne has promised me red slaughter of man pigs
>>44015625
>So far as we know, they do not have a Khorne aligned lord amongst them. As such, they do not have the means to create something akin to a proper invasion.
How the fuck do you know that? Its 8,888 World eaters. They could be any rank or file.
World eaters dont just butcher civilians if they know their are proper opponents out there. Any ground based force within a 300 mile radius could be dead by the first day if they act in the slightest like the marines they are supposed to be.
They are STILL marines, they know exactly what to look for to destroy first. Our command centers, our military bases are sitting ducks in the USA.
setting up a killbox is a joke if you think we can outsmart supercomputers that can kill us. They will be pulling the same stunts on us, easier too as they are more mobile and reactive.
They are, in everyway, smarter then us, stronger then us, faster then us, and have experiences fighting forces WAY more technologically advanced then us... like WAY more. Nothing we can throw at them they wont have seen worse and they wont have answers too. The only advantage is air. Anything on the ground is fucked.
These are forces that probably fought alien races with weapons more advanced then us and societies far more organized then our world. To think we could stop them is a joke at that scale. The planet thinking it can stop only a few marines is the freaking common trope for 40k afterall, we just become the next world that overestimates them and dies for it.
>>44012774
kek, underrated post.
>>44015674
>>44015674
The OP has it that 8,888 berserkers appear. Not even Kharn qualifies as a warlord at the best of times, and neither he nor anyone else is mentioned.
Even so, the presence of a warlord would give them purpose, and make the conflict that much bloodier. But it still lacks many things making it a proper invasion.
Here, >>44015614 we see that a few marines slaughtered the defense of a planet, but that was with the equipment of a chapter. Not alone, stranded with nothing.
Now, the short story 15 years has an Iron Snake fight alone against Orks, but I am pretty sure those are feral. And he fights smart, not all out in the open like a berserker would. At least immediately after a slaughter.
Again, eliminating the presence entirely would be very difficult. But not impossible. The risk comes from protracted engagement and harassment, not all out warfare.
Saying that total elimination inside of an day is likely is foolish. But saying that berserkers alone and with no real means of support would take over is just as preposterous. The losses would likely be damn high, much higher than some ITT believe. But this would not be happening in a vacuum. Once it is made clear that direct engagement is highly dangerous, aerial bombardment with drones and gunships would be the go to solution. A clean, and very effective means to counter them. The biggest worry being to ensure the death of every straggler, since even one is far too dangerous to leave alone. Because Space Marines are meant to fight a long war and endure that would kill a normal man.
Also, even assuming they have a 1,000 years of experience or more, this is not a RPG. There are limits to what the mind can do. They are not supercomputers analyzing the situation from every angles and making the optimal choice. They are fighting obsessed, bloodthirsty supermen who have some good, some bad habits. Going to ground is not their thing, they are generally a warband harassing and assaulting, not invading
>>44015598
Yeah dude, let's ignore all actual data and statistics we have on 40k weapons. Only gary stu adventures with fanfic tier writing are canon.
>>44015853
FFG stats aren't canon anon, not only are they too gimped for the game so mortals are actually fucking viable, but they aren't part of GW publishing.
IIRC too, they even stated they weren't legit canon.
>>44015838
>Not even Kharn qualifies as a warlord at the best of times.
And this shows your lack of understanding of the lore. Kharn is one of the most inteligent and powerful Chaos warlords in the eye of Terror as Abbadon has mentioned.
>And he fights smart, not all out in the open like a berserker would.
Again, people keep thinking that being khorne berserkers would deny them the proper tactical strategy,
> They are not supercomputers analyzing the situation from every angles and making the optimal choice.
They are as they are in the lore. Period, You want to say they are exactly 8,888 berzerkers, then EVERYTHING about them and what they are capable of is allowed. Wargear is not specified and command structure isnt either so assume they came prepared and are organized. Lesser warbands with MUCH less support can topple planetary societies. Hell the nightlords pull it off with warbands as little as 200 marines with scraped together gear.
The planet is fucked with 8,888 berzerkers. You think at that scale they would let themselves lose to such predictable strategies as we can use?
>>44015940
Also it's stupid to use FFG stats because by that logic we should include the stats for PC's, which get retarded hella fast. Juggle Terminators kind of retarded.
>>44015853
>>Using fantasy flight
>> calling that actual data and statistics
Thats funny.
>>44015955
>And this shows your lack of understanding of the lore. Kharn is one of the most inteligent and powerful Chaos warlords in the eye of Terror as Abbadon has mentioned.
Intelligent warrior, not a warlord or leader.
Kharn made it clear in his own novella and other appearances that he has no inclination to lead anyone.
>>44016011
He's a great leader senpai, he just kills everybody when he's done with them.
I'm sure that power armour is radar resistant eventually they will spread out and cause havoc running round in groups of 10 -50
So how do they deal with oceans?
>>44016024
If you mean lead by example, then I am right there with you.
If you mean actual leading? Eh...no. Kharn is a loner and the most crazy of the Khornate follow in his wake.
>>44016048
Dingys obviously
>>44015955
This is goalpost shifting. A number of berserkers appear in the middle of Times Square, that is the only thing we know.
You go on assuming this is a proper fighting force, which indeed we would have no means to fight because their means are quite plainly of a different scale.
But going by the OP, there is nothing of a proper fighting force here. Because only an 8,888 strong force appears and nothing else.
Certainly they are dangerous. They still lack a proper capability to invade based on the term of the OP.
Now I am actually arguing that they are indeed very dangerous, and liable cause for enormous damage. They still lack proper intel, movement capability, logistics, equipment even to mount a proper, invincible invasion.
Naturally, you may argue they have all that. And more. The fact remains this is not arguing in good faith, since you are arguing with the idea we have already lost. Which not necessarily true.
Properly outfitted certainly. Improperly outfitted as seems to be implied in the OP, not very likely. They cannot outmove or outpace without sufficient knowledge or equipment. They lack weaponry (even if we assume a smattering of heavy weapons) to last a long war.
They could fight a lenghty guerrilla. Indeed they could. Taking over a planet is more than merely shooting a few people. Particularly when SOP is shouting a warcry and charging an enemy line.
>>44016049
No, he's actually a good leader in the moment. The issue is that Kharn kills all his allies when he doesn't need them.
>>44016048
They ARE amphibious.
Depth would be a bitch though. Even 40k armors should crumple from a few hundred atmospheres of pressure.
>>44016093
I would argue that trait alone makes someone a shit leader.
>>44016123
Well he certainly gets the job done.
>>44016129
And how often does he directs a planet invading force?
>>44016111
Do they also carry enough air to walk that long at the bottom of the sea? And have a way to navigate at that depth?
>>44006859
well it pretty reasonable they have air superiority and it about 2 chapter strenght force teleport in and out chop the leader head first
It is remembered as the best and the biggest cosplay ever.
Zerkers get ripped apart from the air relatively quickly, as though as they are, if you keep chugging hellfure mistles at them, they will eventually die.
Afterwards, few intact suits are reverse engineered and the US military has cold fusion technology.
Panic grips entire world for fear of reoccurence, American streets are patrolled by power armour dudes, kebabs rejoices in death of so many Americans on the streets chanting "allahu Akbar".
/pol/ is flooded by happening threads.
/d/ begins legitimately worshiping slaanesh
/tg/ finally gets to stat marines properly
>>44013631
You say that Anon, but you aren't afraid of bears. I have been chased twice in my life by bears, great big brown murder machines that cant be stopped with small arms. It's horrifying.
I need the 2nd Amendment so I can shoot the fucking bears.
>>44016302
Why not just stay at home away from the bears ;^)
>>44016354
Then the bears win, and I wont let them beat me- not a third time.
>>44016386
Just carry a thunderer and don't miss, that will stop a bear
>>44016089
Your doing the same thing you ass hat...
It describes 8,888 berzerkers.
Your assuming they arent properly equip or act in an optimal manner.
> Properly outfitted certainly. Improperly outfitted as seems to be implied in the OP, not very likely.
No it isnt implied, your just talking out your ass now, making stupid assumptions to try to prove your point which is shot down by the standard lore. Berzerkers can be armed with almost anything and can be grouped into perfectly functioning fighting forces. None of that is removed by just stating 8,888 berzerkers.
>>44016446
What I am doing is arguing that they do not have the capability to take over a planet since their entire structure is insufficient.
Wether they have heavy weapons or not, wether they fight as warbands or alone does not matter. The scope of the invasion is too large.
I am reasonably assuming that such a force carrying only what they have on hand and nothing else is not capable of taking over a planet. Because once the problem gets out of hand, weapons they have no capability to resist or counter are brought into play.
I am not talking out of my ass, I am working of the logical assumption that a force made up of berserkers is exactly that. Not a properly outfitted invading force lead by a warlord with armoured support, logistics and airborne support.
>>44016552
Especially a planet like earth let's face it most worlds in 40k do not have the naval forces earth has, the range, stratigic mobility, and firepower of naval and air assets would be ruinous to an all infantry army, not to mention the air power, they could engage at ranges that could not be answered by the marines, they could do alot of damage but they could not win with their own assets, also trying to cross the ocean would make them easy pickings for submarines for large stretches since sonar could pick them up from a fair distance away. So appearing in North America would keep them largely confined to the Americas. Also let's not forget we have missle cruisers, antitank rockets deployed from aircraft and can replenish supplies and lost assets, we also have working rail drivers that could murder a few marines per a shot if they use human wave style tactics relying on their superior equipment.
>>44015962
Or tanks.
>>44006085
Lore strength or TT strength?
In the Lore a single squad can conquer a planet sometimes, and 888 is almost a full chapter of marines.
>8000 thousands khornate berzerkers
yeah the world is fucked
>>44006085
Maybe not Khornates, but 8888 (C)SM would obliterate earth without problems. Khornates lack tactic and would simply charge until dead.
>>44014016
Sounds more like an Alpha Legion plot.
>>44017082
>a single squad can conquer a planet
Um perhaps if the whole planet has a single central government that is surrender happy. Or a small world that a single squad can literally hold down all population centers.
Neither of these situations fit earth.
Also an army of only marines lacks all the air, stratigic, fleet, support and armor assets
>>44015382
this post.....even the warnings of Alpha Legion activities go unnoticed. this is why they are THE Alpha Legion. Alpharius and Omegon are proud.
>>44006085
>World sits their entire Navy off the coast of New York
>ICBM the entire city
>/tg/ in charge of knowing ANYTHING about modern military
>>44017120
>Um perhaps if the whole planet has a single central government
Which is the norm for planets ruled by the Imperium. They have a single planetary governor who as the name suggests governs the planet in the name of the High Lords of Terra. If one of them rebels and tries to secede from the Imperium, it isn't at all hard to believe that a squad or two of Marines could be dropped into his or her backyard via Drop Pod, blitz through the defenders and kill the traitor, forcing the planet to capitulate.
>>44006251
They can summon if they earn Khorne's favour
>>44017558
Good work taking it out of context.
Earth doesn't have a single government to capitulate so that example of one squad does not hold merit in the example
I've heard jokes talking about the sheer edginess in 40k but I didn't think it was real.
Space marines running 60 mph? Come the fuck on.
No one would beat your schoolyard bullshit powered special snowflakes.
Next you'll tell me that they have spliced roach DNA with their own to survive nuclear attacks.
>>44011389
A true Bringer of the black ECH
>>44017785
So someone that is superhuman is automatically edgy? Wow, I think you reached a whole new level of stupidity
>>44011389
>Jontron
>Champ of Nurgle
I'm interested in seeing how you came to this conclusion.
>>44016129
He gets the job done in retarded 40K battles, thing is we're discussing the real world where scale make a bit more sense. He can try to win through plot armour if he wants to, but it won't work very well.
Initial shock. Then overuse of artillery and air superiority leads to a quick victory. You don't even need a nuke. Just waste a lot of dollar on guided missiles.
They are just a bunch of cavemen with cute weapons that most likely won't do much harm to tanks that are faster than them anyway.
>>44017982
>Single Superhuman
Vs
>legions of superhumans
Don't be mad bud
>>44015962
>>44015940
It's not so much that Space Marines are gimped as much as other people are just buffed to shit because "muh exceptional example of humanity" or whatever, even though you reach a point where you end up with a Psyker who can outwill a good portion of daemons and kill the rest with a few well placed punches.
Has no or accounted for the possibly of people going cultist, Worshipping or trying to emulate the zerkers?
If Daemons, Earth is fucked
If not Daemos earth is fucked but more slowly
>>44016048
There are things cmmonly known as ships and planes
berserker as they may be, they still know how to pilot or hijink a primitive ship or plane as ours to reach other places
>>44006085
World is fucked
A single Khornate Berzerker would probably be able to slaughter the entire population of New Jork (the State) before the military kicks in. Then he'd just steal a tank
>>44006248
The GAU-7 is basically a bigger, clunkier and weaker bolter gun.
Think about that for a moment.
>>44016302
> great big brown murder machines that cant be stopped with small arms
You can fucking shout them away, lad. Just act angry and throw shit in their general direction until they decide to fuck it and bail.
>>44006085
Yeah no, considering chaos got the superiority of old imperium tech and chaos fuckery on the side our primitive weaponry would probably not do jack against a buncha khornates on their periods.
Shit the armor itself is a fucking nightmare to deal with, think about the bolters and swords capable of just cutting trough basically anything we got.
>>44018397
>301.M40 MARTYRS’ GLORY
>A Daemonkin warband known as the Fists of Brass hurl themselves into the teeth of Waaagh! Badstomp. Explosive carnage breaks out across the seventeen moons of the Madrakae as the two war-hungry hordes collide head on. Massively outnumbered, the Fists of Brass are wiped out within days. However, the oceans of blood they spill draw eight legions of Khorne’s Daemons into reality, starting the war afresh.
>316.M41 DANGEROUS PREY
>After fierce fighting amid the macrotemples of Skeros, the Wych Cult of Tortured Hopes capture a Chaos Lord of the Skullsworn. Bearing him back to Commorragh, the Dark Eldar throw the Daemonkin champion into their gladiatorial arena. Their sport is spoiled, however, when a Bloodthirster bursts from their captive mid-battle. The Daemonic incursion that follows is catastrophic, and results in the utter destruction of an entire sub-realm of the Dark City.
>994.M41 DISASTER ON YNGROTH
>Whilst pursuing Harlequins of the Masque of the Silent Shroud, the Wrath battle their way through the Grey Canyons of Yngroth. Just as the Harlequins seem cornered, a warhost from Craftworld Yme-Loc springs from ambush, catching the Wrath in a devastating crossfire. For long moments the Eldar plan looks set to work, until Arbra’Gax, Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage, bursts into reality. Led by this unstoppable demigod of war, the Khornate horde smash their way out of the Eldar ambush, which swiftly devolves into a massacre as the Blood God’s forces punish their devious foes.
>>44018494
>997.M41 ONE HUNDRED SKULLS
>Responding to a daemonic incursion on Hyraq II, a Brotherhood of Grey Knights plunges into battle. Crimson lightning tears the skies as the Grey Knights drive the Daemons back into the Warp, only to face fresh assault by the Bloodgorged. Retreating to a ruined temple, the surviving Grey Knights fight for their lives. In death, every Daemonkin they slay brings forth one of the Daemons the Grey Knights had already banished, until they are overrun by the screaming horde.
The thing with Khornates......they often come hand in hand with daemons. Before, after, or with them.
>>44006817
You don't need nukes. Khornate Berserkers are not armed to deal with artillery or bombardment.
You just need to pile on bombardment until they are dead.
If it was a normal Marine segments, they could have carried along some fancy laser guns, and shot down anything in the horizon since its not armored to deal with 40k lasers.
But this is Khornate melee melee melees.
>>44014198
Only because at some point they start to gate in demons. Without those demons, they are not going to do shit, besides removing the state of New York from the map.
>>44018494
>>44018519
>Blow half a Khornate's skull off
>Daemons pop out
>Daemons slaughter everything
>Blood paints the street red
>More Daemons pop out
>The cycle of blood continues
Khorne wins, because BLOODBLOODBLOOD
>>44018525
>166.M40 IMMORTALITY’S PRICE
>The Skullsworn fall upon the hive world of Rebas. They are opposed by over one hundred regiments of Astra Militarum, each well dug in and supplied. The war that follows is horrific in its intensity and bloodshed, but after the slaughter of eighty-eight of the defenders’ regiments, the eight surviving Skullsworn ascend to become Daemon Princes simultaneously. Soon enough, nothing remains on Rebas but mountains of skulls.
They can do well on their own without daemons.
>>44006859
Yeah, but they have no good ranged weapons, no good lasgun bombardment, and no demon gate.
The scariest will be the people with Demon weapons, since they can do some anti air.
Sure they will ignore most of the bombardment, but at some point their looted weapons or the mass of bombardment will eat them.
>>44014198
Eternal urban warfare is more their forte, but once they're no longer in that environment they're going to start having issues. Durkas with bomb vests can take them down according to the Cain novels.
>>44018553
Firebombs, boil the blood away before it becomes demons.
>>44018425
You're fucking retarded, mate. I'm talking GW sense of scale retarded.
>>44018559
They failed to kill 12 space marines. Thats pretty bad. And it hints to how bad they are at dealing with enemies that run away, and bombardment.
They also needed to Ascend to slaughter the civilian population.
>>44018494
>>44018519
>>44018559
Damn, every single one of those is just "Daemons did it" in the end. It's like the berserkers themselves are just realspace portals for daemons to come through.
>>44018675
They're like precision guided Daemon bombs.Don't tell Khorne that the cultist who pitched the idea to him was Tzeench in disguise
>>44018655
What? the warband killed 88 IG regiments. The 8 surviving marines became daemon princes and killed the surviving 12 IG regiments alongside the rest of the Hiveworld.
They can destroy NYC; but ultimately, modern doctrine is different from 40k doctrine.
In modern war, killing shit isn't the bottleneck, finding it is. Spess Marines are more-or-less immune to small arms, even heavy machine guns, but shaped charges [rare in 40k, ubiquitous in RL] will one-shot them. The advantages they gain from being bulletproof are smaller than the disadvantages they gain from being unable to blend with civilians.
As long as they stay in NYC they can preserve enough of themselves to make it dangerous, but they'll slowly get picked off and there will quickly be a cordon placed around the city.
>>44018411
Anything that would fit a marine would be easy to target with aaa or asm
>>44018953
>implying that modern missiles would do more than scratch the paint off a space marine's armor
>>44018525
you are retard my friend! you don't need to be "armed" to deal with artillery or bombardment all you need a little bit of cover to avoid blast wave and shrapnel and fucking space marines have that fucking power armour that protects them from both just perfectly as well as from almost all kind of radiation, vacuum and whatever you want to throw at them, basically anything short of direct hit wont kill or even cripple space marine and the only way to deliver those direct hits is actual humans and don't even start that dumb shit about "smart" weapons and drones and so on they are only good to hit schools and hospitals and probably oil processing plants then it comes to hitting something like small fast moving and fukken aware targets like sm you are fucked pal
lots of retards itt (i guess special murican breed of retards) doesn't understand that military and military in any part of the word are extremely rigid conservative and generally ineffective structure
so you believe it or not all of ny state will be gone event before pentagon event start grasping what the fuck happens ... so my guess most of us will be wiped out before any of those tanks, bombers and nukes will be actually deployed and i'm not sure if those won't be used by huge hordes of cultist long before retarded slowpokes in pentagon wake up
>>44016224
Does /co/ get a cartoon based on American power armor
>>44019054
It doesn't need to scratch their armor when it keeps them contained to one continent.
Also people compare marines to tanks we have missles designed to kill tanks, and marines also lack anti missle systems. You are basically trying to argue that speesh marhines are immune to everything we can throw which is not true let's also not forget we have rail drivers, we have white phosphorus, and not all marines wear helmets, now Helmetless marines hit with white phosphorus would be a messy death.
Let's also not ignore bunker buster weapons. But then marines get plot armor according to most 40k fans.
>>44019056
Look, to defend yourself against artillery you have 2 choices:
1. Shoot it down, making them unable to do artillery runs
2. Avoid it
40k space armor might make them near immune, but the problem is that they are still not completely immune
>>44016224
>/d/ begins to legitimately worship Slaanesh
And begins trying to recreate the fall of the Eldar on Terra, because they're /d/.
>>44015747
>They've seen worse than anything we can throw at them
Honestly, it's entirely possible our capacity for creative killing would open some new horizons. Real world militaries can be much, much more creative than writers who get all their knowledge about war from Pearl Harbour and Saving Private Ryan.
>>44015955
>Mommy, what is a drone?
the USA has made the ENTIRE middle east afraid of the sky. I think it can mop up 9k marines in a pinch from the air. The marines may be able to see the drones, but at that altitude, they can't reach them, which will eventually lead to them being herded into the subway systems. Then odds are we'll try to gas them and cook them in their armour. They're pretty fucking dead.
>>44016089
>properly outfitted we have certainly lost
Hahahahaha...no. Space marines are trained on an obsolete form of tactics modern militaries can only chuckle at. If they stay out in the open in any way, they'll be hopelessly outranged. When all else fails, the USA is more than capable of just leveling New York to kill them. They won't be able to strike back, not even with a handful of lasguns they might have. The fire rate is simply too low to be a viable counter to drone, air and artillery bombardment.
>>44016620
This. The only thing of value we'd get from them is working exo-skeletons and the odd laser or plasma gun. Everything else they have, we either already do or it's ineffective against our form of warfare.
>>44018494
>>44018519
Warp instability is a bitch against ranged armies especially. Guess what Earth has...
>>44018760
This.
>>44018740
>>44018559
The other important thing is that Skullsword is " a Khorne Warband". Just like with other Khorne Warbands, they do not consists of many Berserkers.
They consists of Khorne Marines. Khorne marines means Chaos Terminators, weapons platforms, artillery support, and teleporting Tactic Marines.
Their purpose is to fight WARS, not melees.
Skullsworns are also commanded by Demon Princess, and have a combined arms effort.
Skullsworn is basically the Space Marine version of Blood Pact. Blood Pact is a Khorne Renegade army.
>>44019056
Jesus fucking Christ.
Learn to type you goddamn Neanderthal.
>>44014967
What if Frieza joined the Sinestro Corps?
a) Berserkers are teleported in. Not a chapter with weapons, vehicles and support.
b) As strong as power armour is designed to be, air strikes, tanks and rockets take them out.
New York would be a mess. But the US is fine. No need for nukes.
NYC is fucked and so are a lot of surrounding areas. All this talk of air superiority? How many of those zerkers make it into the subway system? How many chase civilians into buildings? New York becomes rubble and underground networks infested with ALMOST 9000 crazed movie marines, the ones the fluff is written about, from loosely the same faction.
They have plenty of blood, there will be just enough resistance to keep them mad. The east coast is fucked until we decide to nuke it.
>khorne cults start popping up across the Mississippi and south
>>44019882
>Zerkers hide in tunnels
>not seeking to find and fighting things that fight back
>>44019913
>berserkers mistake subway trains for something to fight, charge them head on. Messy trainwrecks ensue.
No one here is cosniderin that 8888 is a lot.
It means less then 2 planes for every Zerker. and if Zerkers get a hold of some anit air weapons the air superiority will be gone.
We CAN'T zerg rush 8888 Marines.
>>44020293
What AA weapons do we have that a marine could use? None of them are sized properly for marines to use them the consoles would be too small so would the triggers.
And no one said zerg rush this is earth not 40k we would fight asymmetrically and use artillery, air, and mobility.
>>44014016
>Ozymandias summons scary Egyptian ghost robots into the center of Times Square
>They act really spooky, and people who look at them start to go insane and mutate.
>Suddenly they disappear
>USA and USSR make peace so they can prepare for a future Egyptian ghost robot invasion
>just as keikaku
>>44020293
And where would they get them in the middle of Manhatten?
>>44006859
could someone post an ebook or pdf?
>>44016146
Probably not; but I can imagine them brutally murdering a few pilots until they get were they need to go, or hijack some of the battleships or freighters
>>44020834
The United states does not have any battleships they were all decommissioned because aircraft carriers with support assets fill the same role better.
And any such attempt would still require people smaller then the marines to operate equipment, and be met with air power, subs, and antiship missles.
Our oceans would be a god send against a force like theirs
>>44012501
>kharn
now this brings up an interesting point, is Kharn the betrayer with them? because he alone is worth several worlds in shere bloodshed
>>44019288
Considering they are representing the Khorne ideal, they would probably be constantly hugging the enemy.. so artillery and any other support weapon that is not super accurate is out of the game, as long as we stick to our conventional military thinking.
>>44006085
But to sum up the question OP presented:
There is no assurance for either side to win for certain.
Some official 40k introduction specifically stated that the unit descriptions don't go into detail, because that far in the future, all the novel things we can think of now like popup displays etc. would seem very primitive.
So all the autistic arguing here about "armor thickness in mm found somewhere in the fluff" or a "caliber of the bolter round" is irrelevant.
We don't know what features these suits "really" have because 40k specifically makes a point of not going into details.
So they may be just basic exoskeletons that would be defeated eventually.
Or a bristling array of armor, active defense systems, EW functions and Khorne-knows-what-else.
More likely the latter option, because come on, it's 40k and you are supposed to be the special snowflake trooper in an era where folding time and space is casual.
>>44021219
We DO know what features power armour has. Most of what you list is not in them.
Hugging the enemy only works if you know where the enemy is. I think you need to check the range on modern artillery. We don't use trebuchets anymore.
>>44006146
> Maverik Missiles can't track objects that small
> GAU 8 30mm rounds are about as strong as a bolter
> employment of these weapons would be almost impossible in NYC anyways due to skyscrapers everywhere
If the best CAS plane to date can't take them out your air supperiority means nothing unless you accept the loss of every single civillian in the area. Oh, and even if you level NCY, you still have to search the rubble for survivors to capture/kill/rescue. And that would be highly dangerous considering how hard it was to find survivors after 9/11, and how powerfull even a wounded marine is.
And wouldn't khorne become immensle powerfull through all of that destruction carnage and massacre?
>>44006248
>>44018450
>BRRRRT taking out SM armor
>implying it can shred anything other than Toyotas and pre 1970 tanks
>>44019405
Nigga you are overestimating the US army response and vastly underestimating how huge a number 9k is.
Nothing short of direct tankwhich is also arguable, because in some novels they can even survive that, drone or airstrike hits will take them out. Or mass bombardment.
Sure, they will eventually all be cornered and wiped out. Every explosion that doesn't kill them will still wear their armor down. And they'll probably run out of ammunition for their weapons way before that.
But for every 10 mindless berzerkers, 1 could have the wits to quietly slip away and wreak havoc on his own terms. Maybe a few dozen are able to play the long game. Directing the mindless ones to airports, hijacking our weaponry, disrupting the chain of command, forcing people to do stuff for them,...
It's impossible for 8888 berzerkers to take over Earth, without any kind of support and the ability to summon Daemons. But they can very easily inflict massive casualties in at least one state, throw everyone into massive paranoia and force the government to do so questionable things to get rid of them. So the aftermath would be devastating.
>>44018089
this is bait right? pls tell me it is
>>44018411
well marines have that weird gene seed organ that lets them eat peoples brains and learn their skills, so..yea thatll happen
>>44021325
You're probably operating under the assumption drone strikes are one-hit things like ICBMs. Think of them more as flying assassin robots.
>8888 Khorne Berserkers.
Yeah, no, we're beyond skullfucked.
>>44021411
Drones trikes nothing.
GUNSHIPS MOTHERFUCKER, Flying Dakka dispensers that can fly out of range of the guns of most things that aren't Dedicated AA from 40k.
Because let's face it, they won't have man-portable AA or fliers of their own to counter gunships with..
>>44006859
>REMINDER that Black Library wrote a story (Call of the Lion) where a group of Dark Angels knock down a strawman 21st century planet. They ignore 50cal rounds, absorb tank shots, punch said tanks in half, and teleport terminators into the UN to kill everyone before orbital bombarding the place.
Yeah, I don't get what people in the thread is talking about. Seriously, we'd be so fucking fucked it's not even funny.
The Khorne Berserkers would laugh at our feeble attempts at nuking them. It might take out a few of them, but honestly, not that many, especially once they start spreading out.
>>44021485
>that can fly out of range of the guns of most things that aren't Dedicated AA from 40k.
Lasguns have the range of anything visible in the horizon.
Pair them with a pair of 40k long sight enhancer, you got excellent AA against modern tech.
Thats also why a army of guardsman invading NY is scarier than Khorne Berserkers who can't summon demons.
>>44021515
>40k wank story shows they beat a modern army
>my armor can beat a tanks main canon!
>my armor can survive a Nuke!
Seriously either the delusional fans are retarded or the writers are probably both.
Using this kind of logic orks would not be a threat because they literally could not hurt marines unless you are gonna try to tell me an ork hits with more force then a modern tank shell I am gonna call bs.
>>44021577
The lasguns' firing rate is too low to be an effective FLAK.
>>44021411
I'm perfectly aware of what our artillery, drones,aircraft and all kinds of missile launchers can do.
But consider this, dealing with
>sandniggers running around a nice open desert desert
>Chechens hiding in a city
is not the same as dealing with
>a few superhumans in armor,using materials we can't even comprehend, running around your city full of skyscrapers, slaughtering your civilians with a chainaxe
>>44021485
I'm pretty sure AC-130 actually fly low enough on an attack run to actually get downed by bolter fire, or any special weapons the zerkers are carrying like plasma guns/pistols and what have you.
>>44021628
>materials we can't even comprehend
Which can be punctured by weaponry made of BONE. Incomprehensible doesn't necessarily garuantee quality.
>>44021609
What do you think about linked sensory gear? I.E
>The armour's sensorium, based upon tendril sensors, links directly into the wearer's own awareness. The sensorium allows the wearer to use a vast number of scanners and detectors without conscious thought. Sensoriums can also be linked together, allowing every squad member to see exactly the same view of the battle as his comrades
Normal guardsmen, in a squad, with some linked aiming devices, is going to eat modern artillery just fine.
>>44021603
Orks can hit harder than a modern tank shell if they're the big ones.
Not to mention this is forgetting that Orks are literal fucking MAGIC thanks to their gestalt energy field turning a crude iron axe into a monomolecular razor that can chop through tank armor.
Remember you're talking about Orks, the guys who run entirely on bullshit and can survive having their head split in two.
>>44021603
/k/ tards are even worse.
And orcs hurt marine because they believe they can hurt them. Did you forget that a Warboss actually managed to wound Big E or what?
>>44021662
Tyranid bones you mean?
>>44021281
>hugging the artillery
>>44021662
Jesus fucking christ you'd think people on TG would know more about 40k considering it's the 40k contianment board?
I assume you're talking about boneswords yes? Yeah, guess what, Tyranids are literal eldritch abominations to the point that they defy the DARK ELDAR'S understanding of biology. And those boneswords can slice a tank in half.
>>44021692
you should actually explain for the uninformed masses that the orks have the ability to do things simply because they believe hard enough
>>44021706
Hey, they got more penetration than a boltgun's oversized subsonic ammo.
>>44021737
Waaghfields only work like that when they reach critical mass; And yet, even a single ork all by himself can penetrate power armour, which speaks volumes about the quality of material used in its manufacture.
>>44021756
Boltguns aren't subsonic unless they use rounds meant for fleshy things like people. Otherwise they're supersonic or hypersonic.
>>44021797
>hypersonic
Hahahahahahahahaha
>>44021688
>Orks can hit harder than a modern tank shell if they're the big ones.
KEK
40kfags on suicide watch
>>44021783
That's wrong, a veichle painted red will always go faster, even if only a couple of orks are operating it
>>44021814
>>44021783
That's because Orks use 40k materials.Even then, if they aren't using bolters or any other advanced tech, they won't kill Marines without hitting weak spots.
>>44021783
thats not true at all, and there has never been, nor will there be, a small contingency of orks, other waagh effects that work outside of critical mass include yellow rockets doing more damage, and red vehicles go faster
>>44021814
Uh, yes? Fuck even if we go by the retarded TT Stats the big 'uns can hit harder than tank shells with their melee attacks, same with space marines. The problem is that you are retarded enough to think that 40k resembles anything like real life's understanding of physics- you're basically trying to apply common sense to superheroes. Wanna have an argument of why the Flash can't run at attosecond speeds despite the author saying quite clearly he can next?
>>44021813
Yes there are hypersonic bolts, they're specialist sniper rounds and they're scary. They show up in Siege of Castellax and pop renegade guardsmen at two and a half kilometers from a flat angle.
>>44006859>>44020822
I would also be interested
>>44021915
I'm searching as we speak, brother
>>44021895
>pop renegade guardsmen at two and a half kilometers from a flat angle
40kfags think this is an impressive feat.
>>44021915
>>44021955
found it!
http://kickassto.co/warhammer-40k-horus-heresy-audiobook-tales-of-heresy-collection-t11653384.html
>>44021973
It is when a bolter is just small arms fire and the Astartes version of the M4A1.
>>44021973
>fully automatic,compact gun hitting targets at 2500m with pinpoint accuracy and almost no recoil, exploding anything that isn't heavily armored is not impressive
And 40k writers don't know shit/don't care about making the fighting impressive or ultra strategical anywayexcept for Zou, but he is out, only that it sounds cool
>>44022047
Great man! maybe I've already read that book haha. If it's in the horus heresy series most likely
>>44022085
same here, but its always nice to go over them again :)
>>44021628
The big difference isn't the weapons, both bolters and AK's are ranged devices limited by LOS. It's that Chechens and Afghanis/Iraqis blend in perfectly - stash their AK behind the nearest tree/corner/car/etc and they look like any other human civilian. Modern insurgents step it up and rarely carry weapons at all, preferring to set up bombs for remote detonation. Soldiers have to round up towns a block at a time to get fingerprints, or do motion-analysis with persistent surveillance, etc to find the enemy.
Space Marines? Just look for the giant dudes in blood-covered armor.
>>44019054
SM armor is often pierced by bolters, supersonic hardened-cap style .75cal rounds, which makes gauging its toughness trivial: much, much less than 60mm RHA, more than 10mm RHA.
RPGs, AT missiles, etc use a totally different technology. The bog-standard Mogadishu militiaman with a 1970s RPG (or National Guardsman with an AT4) can torch through about 450-550mm RHA.
