CIN:Bengals exec hints TE Eifert will miss games
LAR:Todd Gurley: Take me No. 1 overall in fantasy
SEA:Thomas Rawls says he's running and cutting
PHI:Eagles to start Roob Randle over Agholor?
PIT:Le’Veon says he'll be ready for training camp
NYG:Will Tye 'caught everything' this offseason
MIA:Dion Jordan 50/50 to make final roster?
KC:Chiefs, Berry have not made much progress
DEN:Broncos submit improved offer to Von Miller
NYJ:Muhammad Wilkerson and Jets still not talking
BUF:Sammy Watkins (foot) running in straight line
CHI:Report: Bears, Jeffery not confident in deal
fuck soccer
Go Raiders.
Seahawks.
G-go puckers...
>>69468849
You gotta be confident in the Packers, m8. Be brave. The Packers will be fine this season.
In first 3 years Cam had 64tds and 42int and had Steve smith to throw to, and Luck had 86tds and 43int, Year 5 luck is going to BTFO of the AFC, fact
>>69469008
I hope so. Especially considering that contract they gave him.
>>69469008
No wonder you were giving me shit over calling the Clops a meme least thread.
>Being a Clops fan
>>69469050
You hope another team does well? Fuck the Clops. The only teams I don't really mind are the Vikings, Lions, and Jags.
>>69468964
I was only pretending to be sneak
13-3 is my bet
>>69469008
I would still unironically take Luck over Cam or Wilson
this season really feels like the year they need to prove their standings
>>69469050
There will be several higher paid QBs than him next year, when luck doesnt play for the colts he changes the vegas line 5-7point on avg, he deservers every penny, it s the contracts for these Albert Haynesworth like mother fuckers the giants and jags signed that people should be questioning, but people were so in awe of meme performances by mack and watt they will give them big money, but those memes dont equal wins
>>69468964
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1n6SbHfjKIc
The fudge packers won't even break .500 this season
>>69469293
luck still hasn't done shit
>>69469293
But I like Mack though. He's worth his salt.
>>69469233
Im not a clops fan, I have been a cards season ticket holder for 20 years, I just like quality football and I feel Luck is the real deal to take a below avg team deep into playoffs
>>69469357
B-but he has gone to the playoffs 3/4 years in his career in a complete trash division with babby schedules, show some respect.
First for Vikings!
>>69469432
Pupper of extreme misery.
>>69469360
Mack is a madman, he is based as fuck too in the few interviews I have seen him in, I hope they can provide him with enough offense so he isnt on the field 40min a game
>>69468139
YESSS! My team is still out of the headlines!
Stay out of trouble this offseason Vikings!
>>69469495
I hope so too. I'm not even asking for a top 5 offense, just one that keeps us in the games and gives us a competing edge for a winning season. I really want to see Mack stay on this team and win something.
>>69468139
>CIN:Bengals exec hints TE Eifert will miss games
why can't things just go well for once...
>>69469649
>no eifert
>no burfict
im hoping we might just have a chance
>>69469418
do you fault brady for being in a garbage division for 12 of his seasons?
>>69469576
The NFL is more exciting when the Raiders do well, a raidnigger charger game that actually meant something again would be a good watch, plus all the violence in the stands and parking lot
>>69469432
>>69469692
I'm more worried about our secondary now going against Decker/Marshall than our offense being without Eifert
someone post the chiefs helmet with poop on it please
>>69470001
?
>>69470001
Chefs will be like 2-14
>>69470234
I'm slowly fixing all my images to have clear backgrounds so might as well do this one too
>>69469293
Andy Dalton is better than Andrew Luck.
>>69469649
We'll be fine. He'll only miss the first 3 games tops.
>>69470455
speaking of missing games...
Has anyone been keeping an eye on Brady?
Has he cheated again yet? Anyone know?
>>69469751
Brady has played and beaten too many good teams to count.
Go Browns get one for da Land
>>69470769
Win one for da land
>>69470769
Da land just got one.
Thats all you get
Fresh edit
>>69471053
Literally me.
>>69470404
oh yeah I forgot about him, he is amazing
post comfy team recliners
>>69470956
Anotha one for da land
>>69471462
subtle, nice
>>69471313
>"I used to fuck guys like that, but that is all in my past now."
Who do they think they are fooling when they tell me this.
>>69470673
Thank-you,
Tbqh I do feel a little bad for the tuck rule game but vinateri made an amazing kick there.
>>69472218
It's okay there's no bad blood between us anymore.
>>69472218
Tom Brady didn't make that retarded call, and what is he going to do argue with the refs over giving him the call? I never blamed the Pats, not their fault the refs baby the fuck out of Brady since he makes the NFL a shitzillion dollars.
Which player are you most excited to see play this year who is new to your division that isnt on your team?
AFC East
>matt forte
>>69472309
2bhwy the call was correct, it's just it was a stupid rule. I'm glad it's gone.
Ayy
>>69472399
I don't get it.
>>69472359
it wasn't even correct I don't know how people still say this when we can literally watch frame by frame ourselves. It wasn't an incomplete pass. The ball was brought back to his body, it should have been a fumble.
>>69472359
ESPN made a special about it a long time ago, I forget who but someone said
>"They found the tuck rule."
That pretty much summed the entire call up to me. It was in the rulebook for as long as anyone could remember but it literally never came into play until that moment, which of course it had to be us that "found" it.
Also funnily enough, the head ref wasn't stopped until he was signaled by the booth. Had the offense not stopped to clear the snow from the spot they were going to spike it from, the game would have went on and we'd have ran the clock out and won.
Also funny enough, Jon Gruden actually helped the Pats win by trying to ice Adam which actually gave him more time to clear the snow and kick from an even surface.
>>69472430
Today I shall remind them:
>>69472510
>>69472532
Whatever could have happened didn't and we must live with the consequences of that call. Unfortunately I can say it is at that moment, in my opinion, that the Raiders began their 13 year decline. It was the play that destroyed the organization.
>>69472532
Dumbass, it was used against the patriots that season. Enough of this victim complex. It was a shit rule called correctly.
>>69472584
i 100% agree with you, but I 100% disagree with people saying it was the right call. That shit happens, refs make the wrong call all the time.
>>69472584
It took a literal meme to derail us. Just goes to show never underestimate the power of meme magic.
>Chiefsposters spammed all offseason, wound up winning 10 strait and going to the playoffs
It is really scary, Kek works in mysterious ways.
>>69472626
>it was used against the patriots that season
[citation needed]
Also, fuck you Patsfag. I wasn't even shit talking your shady organization, and yet as usual you feel the need to start shitting on people for literally no reason. Enjoy your complete shitshow of a franchise when Brady retires.
This elite motherfucker asks to lift weights with you, what do?
>>69472535
Is Malcolm Butler still elite?
>>69472702
you're making all the threads bad
>>69472661
Memes are the most powerful force of nature. It's amazing how one controversial call led to everything. I mean if the tuck rule was ruled a fumble then:
-The Raiders would have won the game
-Jon Gruden wouldn't be traded to Tampa Bay
-Bill Callahan would never have been hired
-Bill Callahan would never use Gruden's old playbook
-Bill Callahan would never have gone to the Super Bowl
-The Bucs would still have Tony Dungy and might not have made the Owl
-Al Davis would never go senile and begin drafting speed demons
-The Raiders 2006 season would never have happened
-JaMarcus wouldn't have been drafted
-Al would have died a winner
>>69472794
>>69472818
On the other hand we wouldn't have gotten players like Khalil Mack, Derek Carr, and all the others.
Does anyone else think that Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, and OBJ being ranked in the top three in most standard fantasy drafts is beyond retarded?
>>69472863
>>69472758
He's not elite but he's one of the better corners in the league and he's phenomenal when it comes to undrafted players.
>>69472920
He also has quite a bit of clutchness in his playing. That's something that very few corners have.
>>69472891
>fantasy
>>69472759
So you don't have a source? Yeah, that's what I figured turbonigger.
>>69472794
Christ I can still hear him in my head.
>"Draft speed."
>>69472920
>He's not elite but he's one of the better corners in the league
So where would that put him?
top 10?
What is the cutoff point for being elite?
>>69472702
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_rule_(American_football)
There you go.
where is that Jo flako mustache guy at? I lurked a few days, he seemed like he knew his shit and didnt shit post
have guy guys been keeping up with the /r/nfl team roasting threads?
>want to watch the Tuck Rule game
>the only full version I can find has Russian commentary
>>69473305
>going on reddit
>>69473290
Joe Flacco's Fu Manchu? That guy. Yeah he's one of the better Ravens trips.
>>69473290
>Joe Flaccid's Fu Manchu
Good trip , bad team
>>69473351
that's a pretty low standard
>>69473406
When Old Bay is your competition I think you have enough problems as it is.
>>69473345
Reminder that people that post this spend the most time on reddit.
It's kind of like the religious guy who admonishes homosexuality but in reality fucks gay prostitutes
>>69473429
I'll fuck you in the ass if you say that again
In the last 5 years what draft pick from your team did you love the pick, but he absolutley fell on his face and is shit tier or out of the league
Cards, 2013
, 7th overall
Jonathan Cooper, to dumb to play at this level
>>69472979
no I'm not the guy who you were replying to earlier
Belichick even said the call went the other way earlier in the season
anyway your posting is really, really bad take a break
>>69469008
Luck really needs a check down back to throw to. Really shots the moon too many times & not in the cool "grip it & rip it" way Favre did.
His biggest problem though... the Patriots running for 250+ yards on the defense come playoff time.
>>69469865
Agreed.
I miss the silver & black.
Looks like the AFC West is wide open, bros.
>>69473719
This. As good as he is or can ever be, he will not win without a defense. Peyton won his ring on the Colts because they got him a defense.
My cat is sleeping on my back.
>>69472920
This upcoming year he will become an elite corner, cap it.
Just got this for my birthday, is it good?
>>69473828
thats funny when your mom is on her back shes never sleeping
boom roasted
>>69473831
High hopes for Cyrus Jones. Has all the tools, but was passed on for being small.
Seemed to really make a difference for the Tide for quite a few years.
>>69473311
Link please. That sounds fuckin awesome. I wish I could watch games live with Russian commentary. Would sure as shit beat pheel seems.
>>69473862
Haha damn I got BTFO.
>>69473891
You can find it on YouTube. I'm too lazy to look it up.
>>69471313
>>69473719
It is hard enough to win, but when your time of possesion is fucked and you have to pick up yards in chunks it makes for a long sunday, if gore can get back into semi niner form and pick up 40-60yd a game recieving to at least keep the defense honest they could have a shot, as for their defense, Grigson should be shit canned, its almost like he intentionally fucked pogano with that roster
will the rams ever be better than 8-8 with fukboi fisher at the controls?
>>69474117
21 years coaching, 6 years above 500, LA and Kronke need to tell this guy to get his fucking shine box
Who.is the Tommy Vercetti of the NFL
>>69474335
Greg Hardy.
>>69473831
he was rated 5th this year
>>69474060
Gore just needs some decent interior offensive line play yo be great again
Who is the Ulfric Storm cloak of the NFL?
>>69474335
Who is that
Somebody post dragons
Apparently kap is going to the Broncos
Google it
>>69474661
Google this!
*judo chop*
>>69474661
Nice
>>69474661
>sneak
>surprise! it's a shitpost
>>69474718
>a leaf
Anyway let the real countries talk.
Go to yahoo then.
>>69474768
he did it again!
Lions are going to make a lot of teams butthurt this season
>>69474852
Including their own
>>69474888
Trips confirms
>>69474888
nice triples
>>69474645
>implying that the Raiders secondary will be good enough to get a nickname
>>69475000
More trips confirmed
>>69473002
There are only two elite corners in the league IMO, Sherman and Peterson. There isn't really a metric to use.
>>69472728
>"just try and keep and don't slow me down"
>>69475000
Sean Smith, Reggie Nelson, DA, Karl Joseph is going to be better than LOB
>>69473848
>kill white folks and they pay you? What's not to like
>>69474768
>snek
Thanks for that I needed to waste another 2 minutes to confirm your bullshit then tell you about it... Nigger
Reminder that these ---actually--- happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7rPIg7ZNQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb_eXyhlHaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqU1gt7liJY
>>69474888
They're not going all the way but they're definitely on the track to becoming a spoiler team.
Next season, legitimate playoff team
>close my eyes
>listen to SNF on NBC through YouTube
>instantly winter
>feel peace
>warmth in my heart
>open eyes
>begin to cry
>>69474645
Reggie's wearing 27 though
>>69475676
You know what must be done.
>>69475722
>a tripfaggot encouraging anyone to kill themselves
Follow your own advice.
YFW you realize you will never be as based as PA
>>69475811
Who?
>>69469649
Because you have an organization built on wanting to injure the opposition to win, a fanbase that is even worse in its bloodlust, and a history of employing criminals. Want more?
Who /women's artistic gymnastics/ here?
>>69475874
sauce on this image?
>>69475676
One more month bro
One more month
/nfl/ was a mistake
>>69474691
why did i laugh at this
who is going to have more total yards, demarco, or zeke?
>>69476575
Demarco obviously, Zeke won't even start
>>69476611
wtf are you doing? You are supposed to shitpost on how elite zeke is on this board like everyone else... I think he is Beanie Wells 2.0 and murry should do well, but that division got tough defensivly in the offseason, it will be interesting if they pan out
>>69476719
wasn't Beanie Wells actually pretty good but just couldn't stay healthy for shit?
>>69473947
Christ, man. Please tell me you didn't think this was Russian...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5fXbPhd6qwg
What the fuck
Does anyone else think the chefs will go like 9-7 best case scenario this season?
>>69476790
he wasnt bad, the whole team was garbage at the time so its pretty tough to make a clear decision, you are correct about the injury, but the hype when he came into the league is just like zeke
>>69476842
Seacucks routinely squawk about Cascadia seceding from the United States on a daily basis
soup /sp/
do you think if Tom Brady cheats one more time he will be outta here like Pete Rose in baseball?
>>69477079
Who?
>>69477116
it's a USA thing leaf
you can't sit with us
>>69477079
>Implying he even cheated once
>>69477079
>>69477353
It's so annoying to me how in 30 years from now Tom Brady's wikipedia (or whatever the fuck it is by then) article will have a giant controversy section... simply because people dislike him and the Patriots not because he's actually a cheater.
>>69476842
what the fuck ever happened to that second mascot they made to accommodate the bandwagon
>>69477464
well ray lewis killed a guy and he is one of the faces of ESPN NFL game coverage now so who cares
>>69474578
>being this young
>>69475730
underrated post
>>69477533
We've gotta stop propagating these memes.
>Pats videotaped signals 40ft from where they were supposed to. Literally everyone was allowed to do this, just 40ft to the left
>Pats balls are found to be maybe under pressured. Colts balls that same game aren't even checked. No data for any other game in NFL history is ever made available to corroborate evidence.
>Ray Lewis is present at a bar fight. A man gets stabbed. Somehow this immediately makes Ray the prime suspect
>Sean Payton gets banned for a year for a program the Packers were publicly running as "smash for cash" in the 90s with explicit league approval
>>69477769
>cambodian lithograph board
>not propagating memes
where do you think we are
>>69477533
I think they fired him
WHO IS READY FOR 6-10!!??
>>69478484
I'm feeling confident. I think we'll get 7.
>>69470956
>Getting BLOWN out by Marshawn Lynch that bad
JUST
>>69480076
>professional athlete against an obese teenager
who knew
>>69472863
>all the others
>a decade of trash is worth it because the team is now merely mediocre
>>69477464
>get caught cheating twice
>they only hate us because we're successful!
Did the 49ers have this kind of controversy when they were winning owls? Did the Steelers? Cowboys? Fucking anyone? No. Just the patriots. But you're half right, people don't like the patriots. The reason is that people generally dislike cheaters :^)
>National Rugby League star and former 49ers running back Jarryd Hayne left San Francisco and the NFL after he was offered the chance to try out for Fiji's Olympic rugby sevens unit.
>Apparently, that dream has come to an end.
>Hayne posted on his personal Facebook page over the weekend that he was left off Fiji's roster, which led to speculation that Hayne may return to his beloved Parramatta Eels.
>Their's people in this thread who actually believe Andy "0 playoff wins" Dalton is better than Luck.
>>69477769
Thank you, you are doing God's work
>>69484317
>colts are about to go 11-5
>actually asking this
>>69484317
How have they performed in the playoffs by comparison?
>>69484317
>Their's
.....
>>69485447
Luck has one of the greatest playoff comeback wins in NFL history.
Dalton has a lot of interceptions.
>>69485376
colts will never beat the pats as long as brady plays
>>69485620
That's not really comparing the stats, though.
I don't even care who turns out better, I just want to see them put up against eachother via stats.
>>69485622
>38 year old pushing 39
so he's got 3 years left being generous, chances are he has less.
His arm strength is already diminishing and he groans more and more every time he's hit. All signs of age ending his career sooner rather than later.
Anyone else watching these BLM morons go nuts on twitter again?
>>69485658
his arm looked stronger this year actually and his mobility has been getting better each season
He was the best QB in the league this year, you call that a sign of slowing down? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOD1VLB5hy4
who's fucking ready?
>>69485646
Luck
>3-3 record
>56.5%
>1,829 yards
>9 TD
>12 INT
>304.8 YPG
>8 sacks
Dalton
>0-4 record
>55.7%
>873 yards
>1 TD
>6 INT
>218.3 YPG
>12 sacks
>>69485705
>looked stronger
on yeah, so much zip on those 3 yard passes.
He throws short because he doesn't have the arm to throw longer range more than 5 times per game.
>best QB in the league
that was Drew Brees, again.
and Tom played one of the weakest schedules in the NFL. He padded his stats in games he could, even when it was obvious.
Stop defending this aging egomaniac. He's a stat padding prick that takes advantage of the fact he's never played on a bad team or had to change coaches.
>>69485769
Dalton has only thrown 1 TD in the playoffs?
How?
>>69485646
there was also the Bengals-Clots game in the playoffs
Luck
31/44 376 yds 1 TD 0 INT 1 sack
Dalton
18/35 144 yds 0TD 0 INT 3 sacks 1 Fum Lost
Nobody should seriously believe Dalton is a better QB than Luck
>>69485833
I don't care for the pats either way, but if you think Tom Bradley is concerned about padding his stats, you play way to much vidya and fantasy .. They might want to kick the shit out of division rivals, but stat padding, it's Bellichick coaching not Meyer or Saban trying to get some asshole a trophy
>>69485870
He sucks
>“Gotta respect Ross for keeping his Jew buddies employed but did he not see how Tannenbaum put the Jets in the dumpster w/that Sanchez deal?” Miko Grimes said, before adding that “you won’t hear any of this while we’re in Tampa.”
>She may have already said too much. Whether Miko Grimes knows it or not, ownership of her husband’s current team also is Jewish. Family patriarch Malcolm Glazer’s parents were Lithuanian Jewish immigrants. Last year, Bryan Glazer gave $4 million to a Jewish Community Center in Tampa.
How many feet can she put in her mouth before she no longer talk?
>>69485769
>0-4
He didn't play last game tho
>>69487394
unless she goes full azaelia banks she will be allowed to talk forever
this is what happens when the media gives attention to every literal who
>>69487455
which is why it isn't listed as 0-5
>>69487630
if he does end up pulling that off though, he will be the only one in history to ever do that. the only other QB to go 0-4 in the playoffs as a starter was Y.A. Tittle, but he did that with two different teams. every other QB with 4+ playoff starts has at least 1 win.
>yfw Matt Ryan 70% 5,000 yards 45 TD's 5 INTs
wooh baby
>>69477464
>It's so annoying to me how in 30 years from now Tom Brady's wikipedia (or whatever the fuck it is by then) article will have a giant controversy section... simply because him, his coach, and the Patriots franchise has been penalized for breaking league rules on multiple instances during his time with the team.
I mean we all like to live vicariously through our favorite sports players, but this blind delusion is beyond pathetic.
>>69487455
His backup is better than him anyways. Reminder that Dalton injured his hand trying to tackle a Steelers linebacker after throwing a game-clinching interception to him seconds earlier.
>Dalton will go down in history as the only player to have 0 playoff wins despite having a winning season every year
truly based
up on the rooftop reindeer paws
hahahahaha holy shit this thread is fucking terrible
>>69488595
Why is it so bad, Police?
>>69488595
ikr just leave it to non eagles fans to make a shit thread
>>69469282
>I would still unironically take Luck over Cam or Wilson
>>69488595
Thread quality drops drastically when I dont post
>>69488734
Amen Tiki. You make these threads worth posting in.
>>69488761
Yea! High 5
>>69488595
>>69488709
If Luck played for the Panthers he would win the super bowl every year. It would literally be unfair.
>>69488660
well we've reached the point in the offseason where all the newfriends want to make a name for themselves by shitposting as terribly as possible so you have the Raiders newtrips and namefags pretending to know about football and aggressively vomiting terrible opinions at anyone who tells them they're being retarded
meanwhile there's no actual football news to talk about so we're all just spouting hypotheticals and rehashing the same arguments we've posted a thousand times
this seems like an especially bad offseason though, idk why all the idiots are here now
>>69488797
it's ok to enjoy the stupidity, just don't encourage it
>>69488902
You mean like Darth Raider and shit?
>>69488902
I understand where you're coming from, but this seems like every other thread in July to be honest
>>69488902
honestly, once we can have our own /trb/-like threads when FOF7 or BTS Football get adopted, I won't be spending nearly as much time in this general because the other thread would be more worthwhile. running an autism league, crunching some numbers, sharing my spreadsheet secrets, etc.
>>69488827
>>69488987
I for one would love to be in those threads too. I want to be a GM.
>>69488709
> Luck would've died for that SB fumble
>>69476842
WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE IDEA
>>69489140
top fucking kek
>>69489048
well if you're that psyched about it, FOF7 is already out, it just needs a roster update. it has a multiplayer mode too where one guy is the commissioner and everyone else are GMs, but I never really understood how to set that up and get it working. networks and connections and shit, not my field of autism.
Tom Brady is elite!
>>69489123
what, you mean in general or in football?
I was one of the guys that was against moving the XP back, they should have just made the goalpost HIGHER instead of having them kick farther.
>>69489208
i don't think you're the real Mayo
>>69489237
How can I prove it?
what are you losers arguing about now?
>>69489215
WOAH THERE FRIEND YOU MIGHT NEED TO SLOW IT DOWN
>>69489268
post forehead
>>69489274
okay so this is a reference I'm not getting.
I do have other ideas obviously but they're y'know, more autistic.
>>69489291
Current situation
>>69489361
It's real. Good to see you Mayo.
>>69489447
Who are you newtrip-kun?
>>69489472
I'm the other, lesser known raidnigger that changes his trip frequently. I used to be known are MRP.
>>69489361
nice hairline
what kind of watch is that?
>>69489361
Oh shit nigga
>>69489499
Ohhhhh
Raiders a shit
>>69489507
It's a shut-the-fuck-up-and-post-ass watch
>>69489541
Ayyy what's good
>>69488902
Remember when you were trying to make a name for yourself?
Do any of you guys play Zog Sports?
>>69489631
I have no idea what that even is. google is being less than helpful.
>>69489563
rude
>>69489600
i was famous from day 1
>>69489631
is that like e-sports?
http://blogs.herald.com/random_evidence/2016/07/xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx-1.html
Mikko grimes would be such a great poltard
>>69489978
I thought you were BEWDs new trip at first tbqh
>>69490166
i used to post a lot of BEWD shit, i have a hugeass folder of it
all irrelevant now ofc
>>69490138
>would be
how do you know she's not
Elite!
>>69490195
do nfc east teams hate the cowboys more than any other team/rival typically?
>>69490195
I forget that Nick Foles is still on a roster
>>69490330
pretty sure that the AFCE is everyone vs. the patriots now
the NFCW used to be everyone vs. the 49ers for a long time, but not anymore.
1200 yards and 12 TDs!!!!
>>69490388
i expressed my question poorly.
i meant is the nfc east essentially everyone vs the cowboys, like the afc east is everyone vs the pats
i didn't mean to ask if the the nfc east everyone vs the cowboys rivalry in the league
>>69490434
2200 yards and 30 TDs.
>>69490464
*if the nfc east's everyone vs the cowboy rivalry is the biggest in the league
jesus
15 sacks!!!!!!!!
65%!!!!!!!!
4,800 yards!!!!!!!!!!
42 TDs!!!!!!!!!
4 INTs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NFL MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SUPERBOWL MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
