FRIDAY 01JUL
>Chicago vs San Jose
>Real Salt Lake vs DC United
SAT 02JUL
>Montreal vs New England
>Toronto FC vs Seattle
>Houston vs Philadelphia
SUN 03JUL
>NYCFC vs NYRB
>Sporting KC vs Columbus Crew
Alt-Tab:
>http://www.nasl.com/schedule
>http://www.uslsoccer.com/usl-schedules
>http://www.nwslsoccer.com/schedule/2016-schedule
FIRST for HIGHEST ATTENDED GAME IN MLS HISTORY
Messi to Galaxy when?
>>69037554
Why do americans in general hate soccer with a passion but is somehow popular in the Pacific Northwest?
>>69038166
conservative Americans hate anything new and liberal Americans try new things with an open mind.
And soccer happens to be great.
>>69038166
Because they are hipsters who like things everyone else doesn't just so they can be different
>>69038298
>be conservative and never try anything new
>hey that guy over there tried something new and is having a pretty good time
>do i try that new thing too?
>no i call him a hipster and go back to eating fried mayonnaise bowls
Good job.
>>69038292
>anything new
you do know soccer has been around long than football, right? its not because its anything """new""", its just boring.
>>69038352
MLS is new. This is a MLS thread.
Soccer has been around for a long time. But I'm sure you have the Premiere League a fair shake and made an informed decision from that, rather than waiting for an actual league you could go watch live in person.
Yes, I'm sure that's what you did. Very forward-thinking of you. Good job.
>>69038399
>paying to watch players diving in grass live
I have a small question, how the Americans see European football? What are their views?
>>69038506
generally, soccer is not a big deal over here. sure in middle and high school as there are decent amounts of youth leagues playing during the summer time, but there are no crazy national leagues nor is there very much public support for it say from the mexican communities. i guess it comes down to it being a game of defenses mainly as a lot of games can go tie or even scoreless. that and the overacting of penalties, and refing in general tends to roll the eyes of the average american.
TIL Wondo has never played in a WCQ for the US
Why did he start against Argentina?
>>69038506
>I have a small question, how the Americans see European football?
For the most part, we don't. It registers like a Canadian curling league or Bangladeshi cricket league. We don't care.
Some hipsters have found Premiere League online, I think, and became fans of a sport they can never see live, because it's "alternative" ..... which is why you see the pissy Americans ITT equating MLS-fandom with that weird idiosyncrasy. Personally I never gave a fuck about sports overseas, I simply got a MLS team in my city, went to a game, learned the rules, had a great time.
>>69039018
Nah anon.
WC 14 fervor + NBC having EPL broadcast rights.
Funny how if you put it on TV people will watch it.
>>69039137
Yes, but I was referring to BEFORE nbc put that on TV. Remember MLS has been around twenty years, I didn't seek out Euro-soccer on TV, I physically went to games in the US, even though I know "going outside" is usually frowned upon by 4chan posters.
Don't forget the US Open Cup.
>>69039018
Too bad you miss the best players, I think I'll watch some game to make my own opinion I do not really know what to expect
>soon
It is also a pity that your league is populated by old star of European football, you have no young talent
>>69038506
It's definitely gotten a lot more popular here since NBC started having all the EPL games and some other networks show games from other leagues. Personally I try to watch all the soccer it can but it can be hard to go from watching PL in the morning to MLS in the afternoon/night the difference in quality is significant and hard to miss
>>69040287
This looks dank tbqh
>>69040342
Not true Jacques, we get fresh talent every year from college while you just import talent from the Congo.
>>69040342
I don't know the exact breakdown but the majority of the league is not old Europeans, though it is mostly made up of people who couldn't make it in better leagues or just wanted an excuse to live in the US and get out of their native shitholes
>>69038166
They don't have much a am football culture in the pnw
>>69040287
Reminds me of a beer label desu
>>69039243
Fox soccer was covering it for years before nbc
>>69040266
Compared to your Euro league, I suspect it wouldn't look as good. But that's okay, because you probably have zero investments in the cities they play for, anyway.
There's been threads here about where it ranks worldwide (worse than EPL, better than Bundes Liga, I think one said), but soccer is soccer. My home state doesn't even have the best teams in American sports either, but I watch them anyway because sport + beer = fun.
>>69040468
>>69040468
>no football culture in the PNW
Are you referring to Soccer (rabid culture in Vancouver, Seattle, Portland), or football (rabid culture in Seattle)? Cuz either way you'd be wrong.
>>69040388
it would be great if you can well develop your championship, there will be more at stake during the world tournament
>>69040435
You're neck or something? European training centers are unique
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Masia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafford_Training_Centre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_des_Loges
Quote me a name of American players to rival a young out of a European training center
>>69040817
Pulisic
>>69037554
Seattle needs an attacking mid. Badly
>>69040541
I was responding to the guy who said NBC carried it, correct him, not me.
Also Fox Sports is trash and no one watches that unless they have to.
>>69040865
I hear Messi is unemployed.
>>69040726
it shows you not know how this is football here , support them are more attached to their club than anyone , the atmosphere in the stands is not the things you have in the united states
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYGy4TZQ1_A
>>69040831
Oussmane Dembélé does everything better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pcsCC_HG2k
>>69040930
Not even the seahawks could afford his salary, much less the sounders
>>69040817
MLS is getting better all the time teams are relying less on pure physical ability and more teams are trying to play more passing and possession soccer it had a ways to go but the ability to attract south and central American talent along with growing American interest I think bodes well. I think there is also the potential to attract a lot of African players who can't quite cut it in top European leagues and would rather play and live here instead of eastern or northern Europe
>>69040817
The college system is one of the big problems facing the development of the league and the national team. MLS teams are just really starting to get their academies going and no young player is going to go to one if they have the opportunity to go to an academy elsewhere. As good as some of the college programs are they just can't compare to a lifetime of focused training.
>>69041033
I'm sure he'd take a pay cut considering the endorsement deals and fresh American pussy. Everybody loves America.
divebump
>>69042959
>implying he'll cheat on his waifu for some fat whores
>>69045070
>fat whores
We invented liposuction and bulimia, mang
>>69039018
>we
Who's we? Most american soccer fans got introduced through european leagues aired on tv or through the world cup. Not everyone lives in a MLS market.
>>69037535
Who's winning the euros?
NYC will get its revenge
>>69045109
>not everyone lives in an MLS market
No, but they live in the same time zone as one and it's easier to get on TV.
Also,
>not everyone lives in a MLS market
The MLS is looking to change that.
Any new signings for MLS from the Euros and Copa America??
I hope they get that striker from northern ireland. MLS needs to get some players from the touenament
>>69038631
Americans should all just kill themselves
>>69045737
>MLS
>easier to get on TV
lol ok garber
>>69045737
>The MLS
>>69045855
And give you all our land? MOOSE WOULD RUIN EVERYTHING
>>69045928
Than EPL? Surely.
>>69045970
>The Modern Major League Soccer General
>>69046124
It was only till like last season when mls is aired on a weekly basis for one day on Sunday. Is this your first season with MLS? Wow very ""accessible"" indeed
>>69046124
What are you talking about. I can see EPL very easy in the USA. NBC and NBCSN paid alot of money for the rights too. Way more than MLS.
I can watch games in the morning and game of the week at noon time. The skill gap is still visibly noticeable, maybe MLS should spemd more money on players
>>69046231
>paying to watch teams in cities thousands of miles away
>watching local team for free
I will never understand you hipsters.
>>69046165
We here at /MLS/ have a reason for being picky about that
>>69046231
Where's the money gonna come from?
>>69046283
Local teams arent free, you fucking idiot. You need to be paying a cable bill.
To get New England games i would need Comcast Sports Network, Redbulls require MSG network and NYCFC requires YES network. These are cable network channels that you have to pay for.
NBCSN would be included in the same package. And by the way I can watch EPL game of the week and Bundesliga game of the week on NBC and Fox with a digital antenna. Those are free.
Anything MLS costs money so dont call me a hipster you cunt
>>69046348
From the billionares that own half of all MLS teams
>>69046283
>MLS shill calling anyone a hipster
NASL to division 1 when?
>>69046449
Why would they invest money they have no chance of getting back?
>>69046461
That guy is crazy for making fun of anyone that wants to watch the highest level of competition. The MLS has the potential to be great but it never will be because of low salary caps , no pro rel & not enough academies. Its growing so ill give it a chance but right now its shit
>>69046474
Sell players to Europe, I guess you dont know how the buisness side of soccer works at all.
Sell great young talent to the worlds biggest clubs , exactly like real estate flipping.
>>69046553
First of all, how would you develop the players?
Second and most importantly, no one wants to be a fucking developmental league
>>69046628
I can tell you havent watched MLS for over a year.
Look up Matt Miazga and Deandre Yedlin, thats how you make the money. Youre helping your club and USA National team by selling players to Bundesliga, EPL, ext. Money for club , better players for USMNT.
Stop being a god damn burger and say you dont want to be a development league. Grow up
>implying skinny dudes in tight shorts isn't what /sp/ is all about
What's the best goal scored in MLS?
>>69038166
Hipster faggots who wanna be special snowflakes
>>69048744
Eric Hassli wonder blooter vs memeattle
>>69048744
Lasting longer than two years.
>>69048757
>hating on special snowflakes
>hurling this epic insult from a part of America where everyone is all the same
Sick burn, bro.
>>69048793
>blooter
Onomatopoeiatically, this makes sense, but I'd love to see a translation into American.
>Apologize.
>>69048793
Fair play to the lad, that was a beaut
>>69048793
>>69049111
Links or it didn't happen.
>>69049150
Im guessing this is the one he meant, it's the one I watched anyway
https://youtube.com/watch?v=w8Vfdx7LEh4
>>69049285
>puts on sunglasses
"Yeah I totally meant to do that."
>soccer
Very comfy thread you have here lads, is mls even that big over there? Are any teams good enough to survive in EPL/CL yet?
>>69049467
It's fairly small but it is larger than hockey. I'm pretty sure the top three MLS teams could survive the in EPL but never get above midtable.
>>69049467
>MLS teams good enough to be promoted
No
>MLS teams good enough for me to drink six beers and shout bants
Yes
I'm pretty interested in football and going to study in America soon.
might look to get my coaching badges and start from the div 1/2 and work my way up.
I hear coaching there is dire and only interested in the physical aspect. Think I can nail it.
>>69049936
>St Vincent and the Grenadines
That was my favorite band growing up, their early stuff was the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP2XGuNblec&feature=youtu.be
>this attendance
Why is this league division 1 again?
>>69050717
Last weekend NYCFC played at Seattle, and over 42,000 people were there.
Go to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer_attendance
and scroll down to
>MLS attendance vs. other soccer leagues worldwide
>in before soon
This is actually a pretty good run.
>>69041002
The only reason hes better is because that "kid" has the body of a grown man. Hes not a great big superior touch over pulisic
>>69049467
MLS is getting big and the entire USA pro soccer pyramid seems like its growing by the day.
It costs $100 million USD to start a franchise in the MLS now. Thats excluding the cost of a stadium. For reference , it would cost $500 million to start a new National Hockey League team.
Wheres the Atlanta poster? I want to see the stadium progress
Are we getting any new international players into the League??
It would be great to get some of these bottom or midtable level players capping for their country into MLS. They play for their country for a reason, they are the best and have big followings
>>69051372
transfer window isn't open yet.
>>69049936
good luck rare-bro
>>69051009
hey guys, sorry im late. I brought some tendies and sodas for you guys. free refills!
>Soon
>>69051645
>Bud Light
Eugh
>>69051663
they'll have Sweetwater/Redbrick/Monday Night/Terrapin/Creature Comforts/Red Hare/Jailhouse/some other local bullshit. had 1-2 surveys about it.
RSL 1 - 0 Seattle
Plata 43' on a PK
>>69051928
ameri cuisine
A gong, really?
I'm not supporting MLS until Detroit City FC moves up.
>>69051928
>"soon chef"
>wearing a falcons hat
yeah, it's totally atlutd's stadium though right
>>69051970
I'm pretty sure DCFC's own supporters wouldn't want that because they're hipster pro-rel shills.
rsl have some qt lolis
>>69051426
When is MLS transfer window open?
>>69052263
Mid July, I think.
>>69051970
Have you seen what Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is trying to do?
I think he wants to pay an MLS Expansion fee and put a team in Detroit
Are the inbreders winning?
>that RSL defensive spaghetti
noice
>tfw attended a pyramid scheme: the league game
Weird when youre using the bathroom and you can hear the team talk
Delaware Stars FC in the American Soccer League if anyone was curious
I know that someday, there will be a city in the United States, which will only have team in MLS (Major League Soccer)
a city that has only soccer professionally.
NFL nothing, nothing MLB (Major League Baseball) Nothing NBA, and NHL Nothing.
Only MLS (Major League Soccer)
>>69052996
well any major city has multiple sports teams, RSL is probably the closest where they only have the Jazz to compete against, I could see RSL becoming more important/popular than the Jazz at some point
>>69052996
A city big enough to support an MLS franchise is too large a market to leave unexploited by other leagues.
You have to go down to at least NASL, where you might count Fort Lauderdale, and next season Puerto Rico and San Francisco, as meeting your criteria.
>>69053143
>>69053181
stop responding and encouraging the autismo
>>69053208
He's clearly going to keep chasing his weird dream until he gets bored, may as well build some discussion out of it.
>>69052996
>>69053143
Columbus Crew has better fans than the Blue Jackets, fact.
Miami FC has spent nearly 2 (TWO) million to bolster their squad for the coming NASL season. If anything we might want to keep NASL so we can shill our players for over-value to NASL
>>69053353
Miami FC has been fucking insane and the Fall season looks to be entertaining because of it.
>>69053353
>a lower league team can afford to pay their players more then minimum wage
Divison 1 when? We'll start attracting real stars better then MLels ever can.
>>69053561
They've spent 2 million players and have only gotten 1 good player
>>69053689
It's an upward trend, first 1 decent player then eventually more.
>>69052148
OMG H-HE SAID MY S-STADIUMMM....meh actually i dont care
>Soon
I believe me, someday in the United States, there will be a place where soccer is the most popular sport.
and where the Major League Soccer (MLS) is the most popular sports league.
and that has only team in MLS (Major League Soccer)
>we're building something great
>tfw Friday will be better than whatever baseball game was on today
The problem with these threads is most of you are 12 and you can't yet appreciate being drunk in a public place.
>tfw MLS is a success and is here for good
>>69053940
>this post again.
GOOALLL
>not supporting your local FC
Everyone CAN get MLS on local TV, right? Or are we all streaming all the time?
NASL to their god given divsion 1 status when?
>>69037535
>major
>league
>soccer
>major
>>69058883
>Division I top-tier
>Carolina Railhawks
How about we only promote teams in real cities with real buildings, and not hayseeds.
>>69059624
>We should promote teams based on where they live and not the quality of the team
MLels shills everyone, also you guys have more flyover teams then anyone else.
>>69059729
>NY has billions in resources
>Charlotte has $1.98 and a pack of Starburst
Yeah, geography is the problem.
>>69059768
It's actually near Raleigh, not Charlotte
>>69048793
>>69049111
>>69049150
>>69049285
Yeah this goal
>>69059789
The proportion of Americans who give a fuck vs do not give a fuck is stacked so heavily in the opposite direction that it might as well not even exist.
>>69059768
>>69060223
Yet is able to achieve similar quality of play with way less money then MLS. You MLShills act like you're better then lower leagues but completely oblivious that you are part of the problem. Can't wait when division 1 is granted so the chains of the stigma by division 2 is gone.
>>69049467
They are good enough to maybe surprise a few teams at EPL level but they would not be able to avoid relegation. The defending in the league is still pretty bad at times they lose a lot of players and that's without the playmaking ability of the EPL. You also still see guys mis-hitting or otherwise fucking up routine passes and things like that which give up possession too easily.
>NASL is so great
>has no tv deal
>never heard of them
>primarily in smaller areas with fewer people
>the last league with this name folded due to rampant corruption
The MLS is gonna take their huge network TV checks and buy up all your players. Good day, sir.
>Quakes USL affiliate is now Reno 1868
Sac to MLS confirmed
>>69062029
You know how that one guy always posts about a city where soccer is the only sport in town?
After Ranadive runs the Kings into the ground and they move to Seattle, Sacramento will be his answer.
>>69062029
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>>69062090
theyre never moving the kings to seattle
>>69060570
>similar quality of play
Being able to beat MLS benchwarmers in USOC doesn't really mean anything.
I suppose you could look at the Chicago-Indy game where both teams put out their first-team squads, but that's the best team in NASL vs the worst team in MLS and they still had to go to pens.
>>69062302
>he forgot the Kings fucking suck
>he forgot their new owner is even worse than the last owner, which wasn't supposed to be physically possible
>>69062634
the coach being an idiot doesnt affect anything. Kings fans have supported the team through some of the worst seasons in the NBA and even got a new stadium funded
>>69058981
>Serie A
>Good
>>69062090
Fuck off Memeattle you don't deserve a basketball team
>>69060570
Have NASLshills already forgotten about 0-7 against the MLS feeder league?
>Soon
>>69062029
Nice quasar star there faggot
>>69062663
>coach being an idiot
I didn't say that, but that's interesting that it's automatically where you went.
The owner. The team's owner is an idiot. What do we know about the prospective SacFC owner/s?
>>69063190
theyve done enough to appease the MLS commissioner to add a team?
>>69063557
>appease
>just pay the fucking expansion fee
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
>>69063698
>all you have to do is pay a fee
I dont think you know what was going on in the first place
>>69063711
Bruh, if I have $100 million just lying around, I can make anything happen that I fucking want to. I don't know why that would be a MLS franchise, but if it were Garber would cash my fucking check.
>>69063784
yah, good luck with that. You have to buy a place to put a stadium, keep it up to code, buy players, pay their salaries, and submit your bid
>>69063784
underage b&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcjWd-O4jI
>Soon: respect your OG's edition
why aren't you girls in the kitchen ??
hi there are games tonight
sorry
http://www.nasl.com/news/2016/06/29/first-nasl-game-to-air-on-cbs-sports-network-this-saturday
Can this league become any more GOAT??
http://www.brotherlygame.com/2016/6/29/11947952/parity-is-failing-major-league-soccer-MLS-don-garber-television-ratings
>Filthadelphia fans
>>69067569
Putting another game on network no one gets?
Ratings weren't bad enough I suppose
>>69068568
>In late February 2009, CBS Sports Network reached a new carriage agreement with DirecTV, which allowed the satellite provider to move the channel from its add on "Sports Pack" to its "Choice Xtra" base package; the move became effective on February 25, 2009, expanding the channel's distribution to 30 million subscribers.[32]
MLShills btfo again
So Jesse wanna go to five at the back now?
Btw this philly commentary crew is absolutely awful
where tf is the orlando stream
This New York Cosmos v New England Revolution is so comfy
Bumping to save for the La game
no streams for FCD-COL? can't find it anywhere
>OUR year
Yo anyone watching the Game? Cosmos shill must be hard as a rock right now
JESSE MARSCH CHIMPOUT
JESSE MARSCH CHIMPOUT
JESSE MARSCH CHIMPOUT
>it's faggots not posting stream links episode
fucking faggots
>Houston vs SKC
>Columbian player carrying this team
This boy needs to start more.
>>69071363
>it's a faggot can't find simple open cup streams on youtube episode
wew
>>69071363
Their on YouTube faggot stop being a lazy ass
>>69071387
if it's so fucking simple then post a fucking link
>>69071412
Lmao guess what faggot you just missed a goal cause you were too lazy
>>69071404
>>69071412
>being a lazy nigger
nah no streams, for you
Fucking butt blasted
https://twitter.com/Camonaball/status/748192352544690176
>>69071474
>using DELETE THIS on twitter
is it pure coincedence that the east coast fags didn't post links to streams? just saying.
here is current FCD v COL game, about to be halftime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igPSVzOdt8I
Cosmos BTFO
>all 3 NY teams rekt before quarterfinals
Hey, did someone kick a ball in Atlanta yet?
No?
Then shut the fuck up.
>Poolando
portland v. la galaxy stream, starts at 7:30 PST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VzB5GnDv4
https://twitter.com/TotalMLS/status/748320528260337664
Unusual crowd in Portland don't they sell out? Even during USOC?
>Portlel
Why are they hosing down the turf?
What does it say lads?
>>69073039
>Portland loves Isis
>I support soccer city usa
>no pity
Please don't break my leg
>ytip on
what did they mean by this
keke
Based Mendi
Get fucker hipsters
is borchers gonna kill mcbean again?
>>69038166
Traditionally soccer was most popular in the Bay Area and around Boston. Tons of Italians and Micks and Portuguese, and in California obviously Mexicans. Seems like in the early days LA and San Jose were two of the more popular teams. This recent surge in the PNW is due to hipsters, and the lack of shit to do in PNW. Plus the teams are fairly successful and create a fun atmosphere at the games. It's more fun when everyone's on board and winning.
Why are all the best teams in the League on the West Coast?
>>69073581
>confusing the most meme with best
FCD!!
>>69072379
>did someone kick a ball in Atlanta yet?
What a dumb question
>mls autists
>Sub Nico on at the half
>scores in under 2 minutes
>>69073892
Literally who?
>>69073457
Traditionally soccer was popular in New York, St. Louis, and New Orleans, but that tradition ended with the Great Depression and the assimilation of those cities Irish and Italian populations.
>>69073892
>FC SallaD
Kek have fun losing to your rival again
>>69073917
Robbo wasted time, got yellowed, then lost.
lel
>>69073917
>His postmatch anger
Loved every second of it
Gio didn't look that enjoyable winning the Voyageurs Cup.
>>69075082
what is that?
sounds like a mickey mouse cup
yes, finally the lags win
>declare 4 minutes of stoppage time
>allow 7 minutes of stoppage time
MLS is a joke
>Portlel subs in their a team and still get btfo.
>>69075149
It kinda is. It is a four-teams tournament after all. Still, the reward of being in CONCACAF Champions League is much easier than American teams so nobody really complains about that.
>>69075209
Blame Robbo. The extra extra 1 minute was his fault.
>>69075209
There weren't any MLS games on tonight. You were watching something else.
>>69075266
Still, two MLS teams were playing for a trophy.
Cucked the US Open from having another Portlel Memeattle match kek
SOON
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>>69075182
We meme treble now
get fucked pink cows
>>69076066
how big would that snake be?
>>69076108
Depends on the size of the bull.
>>69045970
>the Premier league
>the Major league
Get rid of "soccer" and it works
>>69076171
lets say an average bull size
>>69075599
Is that real? Looks dope
>>69075599
Why is there a moose
>>69076477
Because Canada
>>69076310
You see "Anaconda?"
>>69076332
It will be real, theres already a big HS Football feild. Its a neutral grpund so it belongs to the city.
Info here.
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-hartford-soccer-team-revival-0608-20160607-story.html
>>69076477
>>69076477
Its actually the horse from the colt factory building in hartford. They used to make guns there.
>>69076332
I want to go to a game. Please make this happen Hartford
>>69076928
>Hartford
Ahh, the cultural epicenter of the U.S. What's that 'stadium' seat, about 200?
>>69077086
200 would be one section. Looks like 2500, typical highschool bleachers (non Texan)
>>69077086
5000. Theres so many Latin Hispanics and Europeans here that these games will sell out.
Theres nothing to do here so they will come.
>>69077101
>nothing to do in CT
Drive to NY?
>Orlando City
HAH
Could MLS sign someone like Will Griggs?
>>69077680
I don't know, is he on fire?
see you lads next thread, know for sure it won't last pooland or tsu posting.
>>69078174
You think?
>Matches tomorrow
Let's burn this motherfucker down
>Columbus in talks to sign Mix Diskerud
Oh shit nigger what are you doing
>>69076928
Comfy stadium
>>69081995
>Mix had to leave New York for flyover country
>Columbus has to have Mix in their roster
Lose-lose for both
>>69077680
The Chicago Fire probably.
Found it
>Soon
>>69092133
>Shoop
>>69094433
yes it is. but its also a chinese knockoff product you can actually buy.
https://www.amazon.com/Womens-Atlanta-United-Darren-Swimsuit/dp/B01G1S987U/ref=sr_1_38?ie=UTF8&qid=1467317134&sr=8-38&keywords=atlanta+fc+united
>Soon
>>69096483
>chinese knockoff
I'd knock her off, if you know what i mean
Euros are so boring
