Xavi is the most overrated football player in the whole history of this sport. Yes, even more than Pele.
Let me explain. First of all his senior career in Barca lasted 17 years, between 1998 and 2015. Of those 17 he played really well for 4 years, between 2008 and 2012. 1998-2008 he was mediocre, nobody except Barca fans even noticed him, he was nothing special. 2012-2015 he was sabotaging Barca whenever he was on the pitch, he was too slow, took too long to make decisions, he was just slowing the game so much it was ridiculous.
Now, those 4 years when he played well. He played in arguably the best club team ever and arguably the best national team ever. Both teams had played in a system that was tailor-made for him.
Now his play style. He was just a guy who controlled the tempo. Most of his passes were to the nearest teammate, he rarely took any risks, compared to other generals of the midfield he got very few defence-splitting passes, spectacular assists, inhumanly accurate long balls etc. While truly great midfielders were always out there, always looking for the opening, he was safely on his own half exchanging passes with Pique, Busquets and often even Valdes.
Yes, he was good. Yes, he was important for his team. Yes, he worked perfectly in his role on the pitch.
But he's nowhere near the best midfielder of all times. He's massively overrated. If you took him out of his tiki-taka safe space and put him in a different team he would be completely exposed.
I agree
Paul scholes is the most overatted footballer of all time.
>>68873308
>He's massively overrated. If you took him out of his tiki-taka safe space and put him in a different team he would be completely exposed.
just like putting gerrard or lampard in his role would have perform 10 times worse than xavi
>>68873308
People only said they rate Xavi because they don't want to admit to liking Iniesta, because he's so creepy looking.
>>68873389
This.
Xavi controlled the tempo of all the matches at his prime,something that someone like Pirlo could never acomplished. If you judge a player by flashy matches,you are doing it all wrong.
>>68873308
No, Michael Bradley is.
>>68873308
delet
>>68873426
>something that someone like Pirlo could never acomplished.
You're a fucking spastic, deformed, mentally ill shitskin manlet.
I literally hope you die from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis.
>>68873426
Pirlo >>>>>>> Xavi
>>68873463
>>68873490
Pirlo was mediocre compared to Xavi in his prime.
>>68873490
Pirlo can't even handle the MLS
>>68873426
put Pirlo into Guardiola's Barca and he would still be brilliant, put Xavi into any team Pirlo played for and he would be exposed as not even half the player Pirlo was
>>68873308
He'll always be the 2nd most overrated midfielder as long as Pirlo exists
That's my take on this subject
>2key passes in CL FINALS(2009.2011)
>2 key passes in EURO FINALS(2008 to torres 2012 when pirlo did nothing)
>key passes and goals in classicos
>key pass in semi in WC 2010 to puyol
you are just an idiot. xavi is best playmaker ever.
>>68873521
The valuable comment of someone whose skin is the literal color of feces.
>>68873513
>37 year old alcoholic
He doesn't care anymore.
>>68873510
See --> >>68873514
Xavi was a system babby with good ball control and short pass, nothing more.
>>68873463
top fucking kek
>>68873550
Xavi wasnt a system baby,he was the system. When you get this,you will understand everything
>>68873426
this. pirlo is overrated like zidan by mass media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C--gtzvDUk
young xavi vs liverpool
>>68873426
I think Xavi is overrated but I agree that he shits all over Pirlo
Pirlo without Dorf and Rino(or Vidal and Marchisio) is fucking nothing
Xavi is better than him at
>Passing
>Dribbling
>Close Control
>Controlling the tempo
>Actually being mobile unlike that static fuck Pirlo
>Making the occasional run into the box
>Defense
>Stamina
>Speed
>Doesn't play in front of the defense so he won't fuck up as much
>Will play other positions in the midfield without complaining like a bitch(like Pirlo did back when Van Bommel rightly dethroned him and refused to play LCM so he left)
Pirlo is only better at him in
>Free Kicks
That's about it
What's with these retarded polack?
Man I miss the based pole who always wrecked everyone in threads with good posts
Glad brexit is fucking that country over
>>68873544
Nope
See this >>68873600
And I will never forget Pirlo literally not giving a shit in for his last 5 years at Milan while collecting 6 million euro wages and fixing his hair in a middle of a game instead of focusing in the damn match
>>68873589
Is that why hardly exceptional player like Rakitic replaced him just fine? Fitting inside slow paced possesion system and 99% pass accuracy doesn't make player the player fantastic, much less the best of his generation.
>>68873644
what an obscene oversimplification
they sort of added neymar and luis suarez in the process ....
>>68873654
That doesn't make their system of play radically different, it's similiar 433 shitty-caca. Xavi proved to be easily replaceable.
Xavi and iniesta GOAT duo. fuck off.
>thread about xavi
>xavifags start shitting on pirlo
top kek I didn't know about this obsession
>>68873600
You are insane Pirlo is better than Xavi in every aspect except mobility and the difference is not even that big. And he was the best at this position for most of his carreer.
And Xavi did play at the same position as Pirlo when he started being recognized on his late carreer.
Also Pirlo had only one and a half bad year at Milan. Don't let his bad behaviour when he left blind you. He was just bitter because Galliani din't respect him. Don't forget his tears at his last training.
>>68873644
>rakitic replaced Xavi just fine
I hate this place, full of casual retards
>>68873671
The system changed quite a bit. And relies way more on the strikers than it did before
>>68873671
except messi is a deep lying playmaker now since they have other elite finishers
>>68873308
You are getting all this wrong m8. Xavi was great before 2008, they just put him on a way more defensive rol. When Aragonés and Guardiola put him in a more offensive position,he crushed the opposition in every single match.
>>68873684
Barcelona's system didn't suffer after Xavi's departure like Milan's or Juve's play did after Pirlo left. If Xavi indeed was as legendary as Barca fanboys claim, the difference would be noticeable.
>>68873704
>who is Eto'o
>2008-2012 Barca didn't have Messi
>>68873683
Except he's not and he's an overrated fairy
>>68873748
>messi is a deep lying playmaker
Do you know what deep lying playmaker is? It's what Pirlo played all his career, are you saying that's what Messi does now?
>>68873772
>Xavi was great before 2008
No he wasn't. He wasn't bad or anything, but he was "only" good. Decent player, sure, but nothing more. He was injured for like half a year during 2005/06 season and Barca didn't even notice he was gone, that's how forgettable and replaceable he was.
>>68873683
>He was just bitter because Galliani din't respect him.
Holy fucking bullshit kek you Pirlofags are delusional
Galliani respected him too much
Should have sold him to Chelsea in 2008
Instead Uncle Fester decided to extend him and the rest of the oldies and in particular Pirlo had a very high wage while being shit for FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT
I wanted Pirlo out way before the Scudetto season
I wanted Pirlo out way before he turned out to be a total cunt(which was not that surprising)
>>68873775
>Comparing Etoo,with Suarez and Neymar
>Implying that Messi didnt play other rol at the time
Barça with Xavi didnt rely on strikers as much as they currently do .There has been an obvious shift on the playstyle
>>68873806
that's not ALL he does but he's the best ever and probably the best passer ever. do you even watch barca games? saying rakitic replaces xavi hurr is just fucking retarded. they added suarez, neymar, and shifted messi who is the goat.
>>68873811
Don't want to throw more oil on fire but this particuliar year Pirlo was the playmaker and best player of the world champion.
>>68873772
he was a borderline benchwarmer before 2008
>>68873811
He played really good matches,he was just put on a very defensive rol. If Pirlo was put on the same defensive rol as Xavi,he wouldn't have shine at all. When Aragonés realizes about this,Spain steamrolls the EC. Later on Guardiola did the same thing,and created one of the best squads in history
>>68873775
>Barcelona's system didn't suffer after Xavi's departure like Milan's or Juve's play did after Pirlo left.
Confirmed for not watching Milan and talking shit
Pirlo was irrelevant in 2010/11 season when we won the Scudetto
And Milan was even better in 2011/12 but suffered from
>heavy injuries
>galliani not strengthening the team buying players like aquameme and other fodders as usual
>refballed by Juve
And other players like Vidal and Tevez also left Juve too and Juve still won the scudetto and made it to the Quarters of CL or whatever
>>68873833
That' not what Messi does at all, is what you wanted to say. He dropped deeper from his original wing position or central finisher, so he's like trequartista now. DLP and Messi's current Barca role are absolutely different roles.
>Rakitic
The fact he plays in Xavi's position and he does well there while being inferior to Modric in every way says a lot about Xavi's "irreplaceable talent".
>>68873822
Yeah, he should've sell him to Chelsea because he wanted to. That's where the direspect started. Kakà, ok? Sheva, ok? Not him?
Well for me i wanted him to come back from injury and help us it was exactly what we needed to be a LDC contender again. Just imagine if we had him and not a Zlatan only centred team.
But yeah he's kind of a cunt. But doesn't change the fact that he's a genius.
>>68873857
>If Pirlo was put on the same defensive rol as Xavi,he wouldn't have shine at all.
He was
It's just Pirlo had Gattuso,Dorf and one of the best defenses of all time to cover for his shit
These idiots have no idea what they're talking about
Pirlo was not even the best midfielder at Milan
>>68873308
>The most overrated football player in the whole history of sport.
Damn, seems like you never heard about "the best central back" of 2012.
>>68873900
Who was better than him? Kakà the striker?
>>68873308
>He was just a guy who controlled the tempo.
>Most of his passes were to the nearest teammate, he rarely took any risks, compared to other generals of the midfield he got very few defence-splitting passes, spectacular assists, inhumanly accurate long balls etc
'I didn't watch him play most of his career'
>>68873871
>Pirlo was irrelevant in 2010/11
Can you elaborate? I don't remember the season clearly, it was a while. The way I perceived it Pirlo always was a key component in Milan's play, even more so during successful CL campaigns year before.
>>68873871
>Vidal and Tevez
Juve didn't miss these two players at all. Vidal had a horrible season when Allegri deployed him as AM behind strikers, just running around like a headless chicken and getting twenty someting mil for him from Bayern was a good deal. Dybala (10 years younger than Tevez) does Tevez's job and still has potential to improve and surpass him significantly. What they lacked was the composure in playmaking (Pirlo), with Marchisio being injured for a long time and Hernanes being shit.
>>68873979
>successful CL campaigns year before
*years before
>>68873979
I will elaborate for you. He was injured for half of the season and just came back for the end of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0pwRmHSwCk
Just before his injury.
>>68873936
Kaka carried Milan on his back from 2004 to 2008, and was the best player in the world easily in 2007 destroying every team he seen. Milan hasn't been the same ever since he left.
>>68874014
>injured for half a season
>Albania wonders why he didn't contribute much
It's a mystery
>>68873899
What about Kaka and Sheva?
They always performed well for Milan and always gave it their all
No that's not when "the disrespect" started
We didn't find that out 'till he published it in his book
I don't give a shit about that at all anyways it's a complete nonefactor
Pirlo underperformed and didn't give a shit for 4 years straight while collecting fat checks(and I blame baldie for enabling him to do that for all those years)
Zlatan won us the first trophy since the Champions League you should wash your mouth with soap before ever talking shit about him
Building around a 31 year old player like Pirlo is the stupidest idea ever(and before you bring up the Gobbi they would have done just as well with another midfielder similar to him)
We should have replaced most of the old players when we won CL in '07 with new blood but instead Baldie chose to give them all new fat contracts to celebrate instead
Pirlo was not a genius
He was a specialist midfielder at best who did some things great but was a very flawed player overall and if it wasn't for Milan he would have still been playing for Brescia
>>68873936
What is Gattuso,Seedorf and Rui Costa?
>>68874041
>Kaka carried Milan on his back from 2004 to 2008
More like 2006 to 2009
In 2004/5 we still had Sheva
>>68874062
World class player and some of my all time favorite. But behind Pirlo for me. And your 4 years straight is a lie. I agree we should've recruited after 2007 and not only rage buy Robinho and Zlatan after 3 years.
Selling Pirlo to Chelsea for over 50m was and recruiting was fine. Giving him some years later to Juve when he was the key member we needed to destroy everything in 2011-2012 was one of the biggest mistake ever.
>>68873979
>Can you elaborate? I don't remember the season clearly
Of course you fucking don't because you didn't watch it and you're just shitposting
Pirlo was injured and missed most of the season
Allegri wanted to use him as LCM(which he had experimented with previously and worked pretty well) while having Van Bommel play as Anchor
Galliani introduced a rule of "over 30+ years old" players get only 1 year of contract extension(about fucking time) and Pirlo wanted 3 years(despite shitting the bed for 4 years previously)
Goldentie rightly told him to get the fuck out and he went and joined the Gobbi
Pirlo was never that important in Champions League for Milan
It's a meme
>>68874045
>and before you bring up the Gobbi they would have done just as well with another midfielder similar to him
Except there was no other midfielder like Pirlo during his Juve years. I guess you can question Pirlo's importance in Milan side ten years ago, but not his influence on Juve's recent dominance.
>b-but they won the league without him
Hardly a challenge these days. Milan clubs are dead, Roma is a meme and Napoli only have quality attacking players.
>>68874138
All of them are better than Pirlo that's what
Gattuso was far more important for Milan
Dorf was the same shit as Pirlo actually(inconsistent and only played when he wanted) but he was far more talented and far more of a big game player than him
Pirlo is not even in the same stratosphere as Rui(and he never had a season as good as Rui's in 2002/03 and the latter was past his prime)
The midfield is the most overrated aspect of that Milan team anyways
The defense,Cafu's and Serginho's crosses and the attack(Sheva,Inzaghi,Crespo,Kaka) was where it was at
>>68874041
Ronaldo was better than Kaka in 2007.
>>68874149
>not remembering Pirlo being injured 6 years ago means I didn't watch it
Ok
>>68874215
Who was the one setting on orbit our lateral?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPl9gcgmGzk
Selective memory i guess. And one of the reason of the last less good year of Pirlo was because we were lacking dominant wings.
>>68874198
>Except there was no other midfielder like Pirlo during his Juve years
Fucking lol
What is Xabi Alonso?
>Hardly a challenge these days
Guess what nigger?
Ever since 2012/13 Milan has been a disaster
Got rid of all the senatores(while replacing them with shite players)
Inter has been a meme since 2011 too
And before you go look up 2012/13 and go "oh but Milan reached top 3 that season" it was literally fucking El Shaarawy which carried us for the first half of the season and then Allegri managed to solidify the team somehow,got Balotelli(who performed well) and meme magic'd our way to 3rd place
Reminder that our starting midfield that season consisted of guys like Montolivo,Muntari and Nocerino
Reminder that Mexes was the new leader of defense
>>68873490
Pirlo started to be relevant precisely thanks to Xavi and tiki-taka style.
>>68874289
except he had all his major successess whe xavi and spain where still literalwhos
>>68874268
Umm Seedorf was better than him that season(won CL best midfielder of the season) and had great performances vs Bayern and Manchester United
And that season was pretty much 90% Kaka anyways
>>68874289
he wasn't "relevant" during 2006 World Cup, huh?
>>68874289
> Who was the best playmaker of the world champion team. Voted 3th best player of tourney after Buffon and Zidane.
>>68874289
Guys like Pirlo and Scholes were irrelevant before Xavi made their meme role mainstream.
>>68874289
That doesn't make even remote sense. Pirlo never played in shitty-caca system, nor would his long passes suit it.
>>68874289
Pirlo was never relevant
>>68874320
Can't deny that, but ppl started to recognize his play style when Spain and Barcelona started to win everything, that is a fact.
>>68874288
>Xabi Alonso
Quality player and similiar to Pirlo, but not quite his level. About 90% of him, the 10% difference being the deadly precision of long passes which often decided the matches. Xabi was a long passer as well but not as effective as Juve Pirlo.
>>68874332
It's not hard being the best playmaker of Italy when he was the only playmaker on that team
>>68874385
It's only true for casual football fan or american i guess.
>>68874332
And he was also the winner of the Ballon D'Or of that year... Oh wait, it was Cannavaro, Pirlo was 9th that year. Check where were Iniesta or Xavi the year Spain won the WC.
There you have my point.
>>68874385
no, he simply became more famous, his popularity wasn't about his playstyle but his persona
he became more famous around 11/12 and it was because he had more international visibility with juve and italy where he was the main star (along with buffon) while previously he always played in teams with more marketable and famous players
>>68874398
Alonso is a better player
He can defend too and doesn't need bodyguards watching his back like Pirlo
You put Pirlo in the mess that was Mourinho Madrid and you would see Pirlo underperform just like Xabi
Alonso would have killed it on the Milan team of 2002-2006
He would also be even better for Juve than Pirlo was
>>68874398
Xabi is a way more valurable player than Pirlo. Mainly because he did a hell of a job defending.
>>68874427
Meme "italy is a defensive team" too strong. He was the ballon d'or for me. Also big lobbying that year for a defensive player to get it for once.
>>68874439
What is better?
Managing to stand out in midst of great marketable players(like Xavi)?
Or only managing to stand out when 90% of Italian Superstars retired(like Pirlo)?
>>68874427
Meme D'or is irrelevant but Gattuso was better than him at the World Cup
>>68874440
>Alonso is better because he can defend
>Alonso is better because he performed in another team, in another system, under another manager
Irrelevant arguments. Pirlo wasn't supposed to fulfill defensive roles like Xabi in Madrid where he played a holding midfielder in 4231. Juve needed a creative long passer with freedom of movement between midfield and defence and had other players to close down and tackle. The entire Juve formation was built around him and I seriously doubt Xabi could peform there as well as Pirlo did.
>>68874462
What is better?
Managing to stand out for most of your carreer and in different systems(like Pirlo)?
Or only managing to stand out when someone builts a system around your only single ability and only for 4 years of your carreer(like Xavi)?
>>68874439
Precisely because people started to valorate that kind of players that had a great vision of the game and made (or tried) their team to play a style that was dominant in the world. Also Pirlo already had won WC and CL in the 2011.
>>68874496
Defensive skills are valueable in any player.
>>68874510
>people started to valorate that kind of players that had a great vision of the game
that's been the case since Krol and Beckenbauer m8
>>68874496
>Pirlo wasn't supposed to fulfill defensive roles
Umm yes he fucking was you shitter
He played in front of the defense end of discussion
They all Messi babies IMO. Only Busquets is truly world class and will be remembered the way Makelele were. Yeah sure Iniesta, Xavi have more trophies than my country has clean towels but they played in a stacked system. Individually they would crash and burn like Thiago, Fabregas, Pedro, Valdes lol and many more from that golden generation.
>>68874459
Perhaps for you, but not for the world. As I said, he started to be relevant when Spain and Barça showed their style to the world winning everything.
>>68874398
The fuck are you on about mate?
Xabi >>>>>> Pirlo = Xavi
>>68874503
What is better?
Only managing to be good when you have bodyguards covering your ass(like Pirlo)?
Or actually being able to play several Midfield positions very well(like Xavi)?
>>68874536
> Not understanding why being that influent being a 10 in front of the defense make him the genius he is
>>68873644
except he didn't replace him at all. barcelona are playing differently nowadays compared to xavi's barcelona.
if you weren't 16 years old you might have known that
>>68874555
Busquets will be remembered as the biggest diving bitch ever
Yaya Toure was much better than him desu
>>68874529
Indeed, but the deciding factor and key attribute in Pirlo's role was the playmaking and long balls. Never questioned Xabi's quality, but what Juve needed, Pirlo was able to deliver better and more regulary than Xabi could.
>>68874555
Yeah,your theory was proven right all the time with Argenitna wininng three international competitions in a row,while overrated Xavi and overrated Iniesta failed with their NT every single time.
>>68874559
>he started to be relevant when Spain and Barça showed their style to the world winning everything.
but that's not fucking true. he became more famous when he grew a beard and reddit became popular
the world does not revolve around barcelona you spastic
>>68874570
>implying xavi didn't need bodyguards
No, Cristiano Ronaldo is the most overrated footballer in history.
>>68874536
>playing in front of defence means you have to chase down balls and tackle opponents
Your tactic skills are lacking
>>68874594
>better and more regulary than Xabi could.
Xabi was regular as fuck. In fact when he didn't play Madrid crumbled. I would pick Xabi over Pirlo any time.
>>68874600
Everyone was on the dick of Villa and Torres, not them.
>>68874573
You're retarded
Pirlo was no genius
He was le meme "long ball" specialist for Milan that's about it
Guys like Alonso do the same shit as him except they don't need several bodyguards like him to do it
In fact Albertini did the same shit for Milan in the 90s and he didn't need a bodyguard either(i.e Pirlo is just a poorfag's version of him)
>>68874613
He played defensive midfield positions for most of his career,when they putted him on more offensive positions he trashed every midfield in the world
>>68874623
this desu
But Xavi is overrated, that's true. Iniesta and Busquets are way better and more world class. Barça doesn't even miss prime Xavi because Rakitic is more or less the same level as Xavi
>>68874600
Spain averaged what 1 goal per game in the World Cup? Literally passed sideways until opponent was too tired to care anymore. Even the final was nothing more than meme magic from Iniesta. Same could have happened with Argentina and Germany or Chile.
>>68874633
>Everyone was on the dick of Villa and Torres, not them.
Villa didnt score a goal pass QF,and Torres just was relevant in 2008. Xavi and Iniesta carried Spain through 2010
>>68874594
Now this is just bullshit
Alonso never had 4 shit seasons in a row like The Fairy did
>>68874661
>because Rakitic is more or less the same level as Xavi
>>68874629
You missed the first half of the sentence you're greentexting, I was talking about the precision passes flying through three quarters of the field, not regular form. Pirlo was a specialist in these and while Xabi could deliver them too, not as often and accurate as Pirlo. Xabi was more valuable in defence, indeed. Juve had other players to cover these duties.
>>68874660
Van Bommel was the defensive midfielder of pre 2008 Barca, and Deco was their creative one, while Xavi wasn't even ahead of Tiago and young Iniesta in the starters list
He was a benchwarmer for most of his career, not a defensive midfielder
can we please ban the albanian poster
>>68874627
>Chase balls
No that's not what an Anchor does
He intercepts plays and protects the defense both of which Pirlo was very shit at
Pirlo was an unorthodox experiment...sticking a player where he didn't belong because he was too slow to play in a more advanced position
>>68874669
>Spain averaged what 1 goal per game in the World Cup?
Relevant how? And Spain also recieved like 1 goal in the whole WC. So the style was effective. If Argentina(with Messi that carried Iniesta and Xavi in your opinion) could win the same way,why didnt they just copy Barça/Spanish style?
>>68874679
I'm discussing Pirlo's Juve years, as you may have noticed. You started the discussion >>68874045
>>68874601
>>68874601
Aha so he started to be relevant for the world because he had a beard and because reddit became popular. Seems very logical indeed. Read about Occam's razor.
>>68874472
It's amusing and borderline autistic how assblasted Pirlo's hyped up legacy and rise to popularity makes you.
You should get laid.
>>68874728
>Pirlo was an anchor player
No offence, but you're completely out of your depth now. The position as it is displayed in TV line-up formation before the match starts doesn't dictate what his actual role in particular system is.
>>68874717
Pre 2008,his rol was way more defensive. Until Aragonés put him in a more offensive rol,he played way behind compared to 2008 onwards. If Rijkaard wasnt an autist and put him on Deco's position,Barça would have performed way better. This is the first thing that Guardiola did,and it brought inmidient success.
>>68874678
>Xavi and Iniesta carried Spain through 2010
Actually refball did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrTIlWa5wvM
>>68874754
you spout irrational theories like 'pirlo became famous because of barca/spain' and then you talk about occam's razor? top kek amigo
>>68874739
Who gives a shit?
His seasons for Juve were no better than most of Alonso's for Madrid or even Liverpool
>>68873890
why does everyone compare Modric and Rakitic. They're not the same type of midfielder.
>>68874704
Xabi's long passing is precisse as fuck. It is probably a bit worse than Pirlo,but he compensates with being a better at organizing the team and his way better work ethics,specially in defence. I think that Xabi would have done pretty well in Juve too.
>>68874775
Rijkaard didn't put him on Deco's position because Deco was simply better
>>68874763
It's incredible how retarded you 2012 newfags are
Pirlo is not as great as you think
He was by far the least important starter for Milan
>>68874789
Oh yeah,De Jong's Kung fuing Alonso and not getting a red card ,which would have eased the game a lot is a show of this.
>>68874805
Right, he became more famous because of his beard when half of the world actually have it... Please, get the fuck out.
>>68874827
>Deco was simply better
No. Guardiola just proved that wrong when he trashed Deco and putted Xavi in that position
>>68874789
>posting that unironically
you seriously need to be banned
>>68874850
that was a joke manolo
for serious answers refer to >>68874439
and >>68874533
>>68874773
If you play in front of the defense you need to have defensive skills period
Pirlo was like I said an unorthodox experiment because he was too slow to play as a Trequartista
Totti would play the same way as Pirlo if he played in his position and would also lack most of the skills Pirlo did for that position
This is why Pirlo is criticized
Because he lacks crucial skills considering the position he plays in
It's a Risk/Reward system where you sacrifice 2 of your other midfielders and the defense has to work even harder for his mistakes
>>68874852
It's revisionism at this point. Totally different tactic, Messi and Guardiola boner on la masia. It's not comparable even tho i agree Xavi had greater years than Deco.
>>68874833
I literally said nothing about where he ranked in Milan's midfield or if he was really good or not. This is what I meant, you get so assblasted just reading his name it's autistic.
Btw I'm literally an Italian citizen (> muh heritage) and have followed gli azzurri all my life (I'm 27), I'm an inter fan and while I do like Pirlo a lot I think he's just a great passer who aged well and found himself in a team tailor-made for him to make up for his shortcomings(Juve) and enjoyed success there (undefeated season, CL final at 34-36¿?), and the fact he had already won CLs and a WC is what caused people to hype him up, so yes he is overrated but he was still a real good midfielder.
The point is chill the fuck out.
>>68874933
>Guardiola boner on la masia
He obviously did, but the idea came from Aragonés,former Spansh NT coach.Barça was underperforming until Guardiola cleaned house and put Xavi,Iniesta in the XI and Messi in the possition of "do whatever the fuck you want" putting other players in the wings
>>68874933
I remember Xavi scoring vs Juventus in 2003 Quarter-Finals before Deco even was there
This is the most autistic conversation I've seen on here in a while.
By the way Pirlo and Xavi are about the same. The latter just had a slightly more successful carreer.
>>68874963
You can hype him all you want
I will be there to tell the facts
>key part of two of the most successful club and international teams of our time
>b..but hes not very good
>>68875087
>By the way Pirlo and Xavi are about the same.
But they aren't
The latter is far superior to the former
>>68875126
Pirlo was not a key part of Milan at all
He was just a luxury long ball specialist that is all
>>68873308
xavi is just an overrated kroos
>>68873463
What was the name of that Korean who destroyed Pirlo?
>>68875172
Ji-Sung Park lmaooooooo
>>68875167
>xavi is just an overrated kroos
>>68875189
it's true though
>>68875135
Ok buddy. Have fun arguing about this for a couple more hours.
>>68875213
There's nothing to argue about
It's the truth
>>68873308
not as overrated as Iniesta and Busquets
>>68875206
>it's true though
>>68875206
Kroos is already overrated enough, i don't think you can overrate it even more
>keeps passing the ball sideways until Modric gets tired of it
>>68875213
Zidane was overrated !
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Zidane is the most overrated
>>68875240
so exactly what xavi did with iniesta?
>>68875361
Pure class
>>68874857
did you even watch the video
clearly you are some delusional barca fanboy
who thinks this sort of thing is acceptable
they have been doing these thing for years
2005 season onwards atleast
obv getting away it -special agreement with
mostly italian referees -money talks
but keep telling urself how good they r
soccer is almost as real as wwe
>>68873308
Holy shit this so much.
Xavi was never that good.
This Albanian guy clearly is just butthurt about Pirlo for some reason, probably because of the way he played and acted in Milan during his last years there. I mean, there must be a grudge there, what the fuck?
Also it's true about Xavi. It's funny how /sp/ regularly has threads claiming some legendary players like Zidane, Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos or Maldini were overrated, but when someone exposed Xavi for the system babby he was so many people get so defensive. Probably Barca fans.
>>68876524
>system babby
He was the system. That is the difference. Besides Zidane,Ronaldo and RC were truly system babies,as they needed whole teams to cover all their lack of defense ethics.
You're the same guy who said Ozil and kroos are overrated because they only assist. Go to bed kiddo.
>>68873308
Pelé is not overrated.
He managed to be important in WC as a 17 year old and a 30 year old. Also was part fo one of the best club teams.
Fabregas is actually the massively overrated one desu
And iniesta was always better than xavi, that guy is incredible
>>68885533
>And iniesta was always better than xavi
When? In the 2008-2012 bracket Xavi was way more consistant.
He was indeed overrated however what always annoyed me the most is the fact that he was an whiny midget and a horrible loser yet few people actually called him out on his bullshit.
>>68873871
>we
>>68886678
yeah, he definitely the most hateable Barca player from 2005-2015
>>68875146
Think he was talking xavi m8
>>68873514
this
