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How do we get soccer mainstream in America, so we have better teams and a national fan base.
What do Europeans and Spanishland do?
>>68858090
Football academies, street football, futsal, avoiding NCAA system
>How do we get soccer mainstream in America
As a war veteran this makes me sick.
>>68858283
What? Scared, that when USA gets soccer into mainstream we will be producing athletes like Lebrons and Tom Brady's into it everyday?
Say goodbye to ronaldo
make the sport more atractive and grab the best athletes to get into it
>>68858525
Tom Brady is not that great in terms of athleticism. He's just very intelligent.
>>68858090
damage limitations
>>68858090
Add timeouts, advertising and draw the match out for 4 hours
>>68858525
You've gotta be a mentally retarded nigger if you think LeBron is growing to 6'8 250 by playing soccer
When it pays better than actual football - good luck with that
>>68858581
>Tom Brady
>very intelligent
stop being shit
>>68858233
Pretty much this.
It would really help is the us team could place high in a large tournament but that becomes one of those chicken or the egg deals. Getting third in copa might help but after that piss poor showing with Argentina I don't know if it matters.
The USA women's team is pretty nuts but nobody gives a shit about that, I don't know what their competition looks like world wide though.
>>68858283
Falling for the "serve your country" meme doesn't give your opinion any more weight. In fact it makes you seem like a rube.
>>68858730
That's a perfect body for defense and goalie, moron.
Our athletes are on a different league from the rest of the world.
>>68858749
>Portugal
>Can't beat literal who teams
>Only one good player
>Who disappears against big teams
K E K
>>68858822
t. 4-0
>>68858891
Yea but our soccer culture is still growing and hasn't taken off yet. Yours is developed.
>>68858090
>How do we get soccer mainstream in America
We can't. Best case scenario, it becomes another hockey, where it's a niche sport largely confined to one ethnic group (Mexicans for soccer, northern whites for hockey).
>>68858891
t. 4-0
>>68858233
There is only 1 gringo in dat team. If you let your negroes and chicanos to take all soccer you will never improve in it
>>68859457
then why is Brazil so good
We have 4 major sports that are all vastly superior. Who the fuck wants to watch this fairy european garbage? GTFO of my country Pablo
>>68860441
>far people play catch for 6 seconds and then 10 minutes of commercials-repeat
>Boringball non sport where everyone is on steroids and is Dominican
>hockey is Canadian and is not popular in us
>basketball is actually pretty good
FUTBOL is superior and played by the entire world
>>68858822
Because Portugal has a shit manager that doesn't have a clue about football. Called the sacred cows instead of actual in form players.
But the worst part is that he doesn't field the best players he called. He plays two wingers as full backs, when there's solid options on the bench.
He doesn't play the full Sporting CP midfield, which is really in form and they have been playing together for years.
But i don't care about those fuckers, may they get knocked out on saturday.
Portugal will win gold medal in the olympics. That's the real national team, those lads are really pleasing to watch. They play with passion, they play dominant football.
And obviously there's the under 17 european champions a couple of months a go. So yeah, the future is bright :)
The FA just needs to stop hiring managers without balls and go for a foreign one, which doesn't give him to club and agent pressures to play certain players like the last 3 turds that managed Portugal
>>68860733
>FUTBOL is superior and played by the entire world
because it's physically and mentally inferior to all of them
>>68859237
if you had ever been to an MLS game you'd know that most fans are white
>>68860733
None of the Canadian Teams made the playoffs this year :(
Most of the actual hockey players on US teams are Canadian though.
>>68861962
Most American soccer fans don't watch MLS, they watch Liga MX, La Liga, or the Premier League.
>>68858780
Massively tall guys tend to be slow as shit and their ball control is subpar. This is why you don't see that many freakishly tall players in football, not even as goalkeepers.
>>68858233
>avoiding NCAA system
whats that?
Which American non-soccer athlete would make the best soccer player?
Pic related
>>68858090
Thanks to Brexit, MLS is gonna get a lot more interesting.
>>68858090
Pay me 25k monthly and give me Alex Morgan, just wait and you will have a good USA squad.
>>68863899
How so? Good or bad?
scrap MLS and then rework the soccer pyramid from the bottom up.
>>68858090
>How do we get soccer mainstream in America
how about not getting REKT so hard?
>>68858090
Nobody cares about this faggot shit.
Inevitably it will.
There's more money in soccer then any sport in the world.
For that reason alone it will eventually take hold here.
>>68865516
*than
stupid phone
You need to be catholic to be good at football, sorry americans
>>68860733
>Basketball is actually pretty good
This, basketball is the only good and entertaining to watch american sport.
>>68865570
And it's the only one with any semblance of an international footprint.
Handegg has peaked.
Boreball is dying.
Soccer and basketball will be 1 and 2 in 20 years.
>>68860733
most of baseball is white and the steroid era ended a long time ago. players themselves have estimated that only 10% of the modern league is taking something. so yeah you could have just said you don't know shit, you filthy fucking immigrant.
>>68860733
Go back to Mexico, Pablo.
>>68858090
Add blocking and tackling like football.
Other than that, you can take this faggoty ass sport for pussies and stick up your ass.
>>68865664
>ameripoops
>>68865599
>Boreball is dying.
if it keeps slipping then the league will look the other way on PEDs again.
US-played pro sports cannot die. Billionaires own these teams, there's too much money involved
Costs too much to play fubol in america, it's considered a rich person's sport there
>>68865760
sort of, but not really. You see all types in the recreational leagues.
but you should see some of the complexes we have, just for recreational adult leagues and huge tournaments for the kids and teens. 24 full fields, all maintained well. Most Americans think that the game should widen the goals for more scoring, because we can afford to just buy 48 new goals. The rest of the world has kids playing on dirt and goals cemented into the ground 35 years ago
>>68865734
>if it keeps slipping
Baseball popularity isn't slipping.
Don't.
Having a unique sporting culture is infinitely more valuable than being good at divegrass
>>68865760
It's considered a little kid's game
>>68858090
Get rid of basketball baseball football and hockey, then all the athletes have to play soccer
>>68860441
>>68865637
Please stop using my name friends. I happen to be a big aficionado of baseball and hockey. I do enjoy watching international soccer as well, but as an American I root for the US of course. Thanks
>>68859545
>why is Brazil so good
they're not
>>68860865
why don't you hire an Argie coach? almost all of south america is doing it and they're all playing good
I mean look at Chile and Colombia. they went from jokes to some of the best teams in the world.
Bielsa would do great with incorporating the youth players and making them future GOATs
>>68858744
this can't be real
it will be pretty hard without tradition, similar like if we would want to make baseball or american football popular in europe
Just stop trying, America
It's a Euro thing you will never understand
>>68866327
it's a euro thing, yet the winningest world cup nation is a bunch of beaners best known for their big butt competitions. that said i do wish my fellow americans would stop trying to get into this semen slurping sport.
>>68858090
About 30-40 years after your schools look like this, and you might have developed by then a sensible base, a solid league and a competitive national team.
>>68866390
what kind of rinky dink basketball hoop is that? at our schools they are cemented into the ground.
>>68858283
>Poortugal
>>68865949
wtf happened to Pitbull, I figured he'd keep the job for a while after looking good at the 2014 WC
>>68866423
They're multipurpose.
>>68858744
>Serra education
Go back in time
Tell the English immigrants playing a variant of rounders called BASEBALL circa 1855 to not be such retards
Give them soccer instead
Clubs pop up everywhere as soccer fever consumes the nation
National Soccer League officially inaugurated 1870, a decade plus before England does the same
And done. Baseball doesn't exist. American Rules Football may or may not exist. NBA comes around later, but soccer is the #1 sport in the country and has a rich 150 year history and we have 2 world cups by now.
>>68865664
Why America is not playing Rugby like a normal nation? You can keep Beyonce at the half-time if you want.
>>68858090
>wants it mainstream
>calls it soccer
How new?
>>68858525
>Tom Brady
>Athlete
I mean he works out, sure. But that's fucking blasphemous to put a whiteboy quarterbacks name among Lebron James, at least say JJ Watt. Fucking quarterback, gtfo
>>68865845
Haha haha
Boreball fans are so comically oblivious. It's adorable
>>68858283
Underrated and misunderstood post.
>>68858090
It's growing pretty quickly. Give it another 20 years.
>>68866587
>tfw chipping it into the hoop for bonus points
>>68866390
our schools have hoops, baseball fields and soccer fields with actual grass
>>68867626
https://vine.co/v/eBIVq0vbePO
>>68863865
>>68863865
Even though he's retired Allen Iverson I think would be a monster. And there's a handful of point guards who could be great players in an alternate universe where they dedicated their life to football (not eggball)
And a few eggball players could be speedy bulky football players. Ronaldo de Lima was kind of bulky about 6'1 and was probably the greatest to play with great skills and the size to knock people over
Soccer will never be popular in the US because it's a faggot sport.
>>68860865
And we are U21 champs. Ser how little that tells you until they actually produce at the highest level?
>>68867770
>amerishits
>>68858090
What is american currently doing with all of their under 6 foot athletes? considering the size of the us and that fact that their major sports are played by mutant behemoths the us should be dominating. The main issues seem to be: soccer is for rich kids, ncaa instead of academies, the fact american coaches can only coach athleticism and not skill (case in point european vs american big men in basketball)
>>68867916
theres no money and fame in soccer. its the 5th sport and really irrelevant
>>68858525
>athletes like Lebrons and Tom Brady's
Throwing a ball does not make you an athlete.
>>68867916
>the fact american coaches can only coach athleticism and not skill
Top meme, lad
>>68868098
>Throwing a ball does not make you an athlete.
jogging around aimlessly and occasionally kicking a ball doesn't either though brev
>>68867636
>with actual grass
>not playing in concrete or raw soil
are you pussies?
>>68858090
You just have to turn one major city into football, with simmilar number of people like Croatia :D :D :D
>>68870158
>tfw goalie on concrete pitch
>>68858090
an argentine manager for your NT. you will have better resultS= more fans in the nation= more people playing in it = more money invested = more quality players= league improvement
>>68858090
Keep building it and it will come.
Success in the CONCACAF Champions League would be a good short-term goal.
>>68858090
How do we get soccer to be mainstream in a capitalist society.
I'm no genius but I would think paying soccer players more would help.
>>68858090
>How do we get soccer mainstream in America
Fatter players
>>68858090
argentine manager, chile was almost as bad like you guys before bielsa , sampaoli and pizzi
>>68867916
They're probably getting their bones broken and becoming crippled at young ages playing eggball. Or they make it to college eggball and don't make it to the pros. Either way a lot of those guys are probably playing the typical eggball, basketball, baseball, instead of football
>>68858233
This this this
Soccer development should like baseball. There should be several levels of leagues and hundreds of minor league teams. With one big league at the top. And relegation too. Stay the fuck away from the NCAA $$$ system.
>>68868119
You must have never played football, it's a fucking work out. Way more tiring than playing basketball, and definitely more tiring than playing eggball.
Play world football
>Running up and down a large field continuously
>Tons of micromovements
> Less break time
Or be a fucking eggball quarterback
>Line up, say hut
>Throw a fucking ball
>Be smart enough to run a team and know whats going on
>Take some punishment sometimes
>After play is over take a break and huddle up
>Repeat
I mean if you're going to somehow force that meme that eggball quarterbacks are nearly in the same athletic league as recievers/safetys, basketball players, football players, think about it. How the fuck is somebody who specializes in throwing a fucking eggball going to translate that into become a world class football player?
There's not an eggball quarterback in the National Eggball League that could play any other sport besides possibly baseball throwing a ball
>>68863865
A lot of NBA point guards would be good midfielders or forwards if they had trained from when they were kids. They have great footwork/vision, they're fast, and they're usually the perfect height to be be effective soccer players (5'11"-6'2" range).
>>68867916
>What is american currently doing with all of their under 6 foot athletes?
Some of them are playing baseball, but most of them just quit sports in high school.
>>68873867
But NFL quarterbacks get the benefit of the huddle and knowing what play the team is going to run. He also gets time to adjust the formation prior to the snap, not to mention protection from his offensive line, which usually gives him time to find a receiver and make a pass. A midfielder in soccer has to figure out where his teammates will be on the fly, and he doesn't get any protection either.
>>68858090
you need to ask yourselves why did you have one of the best professional leagues in the world in the 1920s, how did you get 4th place in the first WC and what the fuck happened after
>>68873889
But a midfielder in soccer is also a complete athlete so....................................................
>>68873909
FIFA destroyed our best national league. During the 1920s, some of our clubs didn't want to participate in a cup competition because of the insane travel times (imagine a team from New York playing in California prior to passenger jet planes!) and high cost. So the ASL decided to just not bother. As a result, the USFA, working with FIFA (which was angry about the ASL signing European players), declared the ASL an "outlaw league". Then the USFA funded a new league to compete with the ASL, taking away revenue and interest.
So when the Great Depression hit in 1929, the league was too weak to survive the way that MLB and the NFL did, and the entire sport basically died. It didn't help that many of our best soccer players were Italian and German when WWII started either.
>>68874105
*ASL=American Soccer League, the top league in the 1920s that played mainly the northeast
>>68858283
This one went way over peoples heads
>>68874105
TL;DR: The US Soccer Federation killed soccer in the US
>>68867160
>Why America is not playing Rugby like a normal nation?
Because we got bored with it, and used it as a model to create football.
We got bored with everybody on the team doing nothing, except the guy with the ball, and anyone close to him waiting for a lateral, so we added blocking.
Then we got bored with just running or kicking the ball forward, so we added the forward pass and allowed planning in between plays.
Then we started killing each other during game play, resulting in the threat of a ban on the sport, so we added pads and helmets and made tackling and blocking rules.
Over time, the rugby that we once played evolved into the American and Canadian football that exists today.
>>68874645
>>68874645
>Football
>Foot, Ball
It triggers me so bad that our society calls our game football. They need to rename it, it sounds really retarded
hopefully in the United States there was a city (or state) that had only Soccer Team in professionally Level
A City (or State) in the United States, that has only team in MLS (Major League Soccer)
>>68871570
>concrete pitch
>concrete
>pitch
>>68860441
I give you basketball
The other 3 sports you are talking about are irrelevant in a big part of the world.
>>68875671
It's called that because originally every sport played on foot was called "football". So you had rugby football, association football, gridiron football, etc. . Over time, people in Britain and the US just shortened our respective versions of the game to "football".
>>68877471
>hopefully in the United States there was a city (or state) that had only Soccer Team in professionally Level
>A City (or State) in the United States, that has only team in MLS (Major League Soccer)
There is. Columbus, Ohio, has the Columbus Crew and nobody else.
We need a promotion/regulations system. That needs to happen stat.
Also, throw in some assault rifles in play, get 'em all riled up.
>>68878593
>we need a promotion/regulations system
We need summer break to be over so the kids can leave
>>68875671
it's because every sport that calls itself football originated from the same base concept of a ball sport played on foot rather than mounted on a horse. brits made that into association football (the actual name of their sport), we got american football, canadians and aussies have one, etc.
we need to somehow bring soccer more into the public eye. The academy and college system is barely attracting anybody to play (I know for a fact my college did fuck all to promote the school's soccer team) and my local USL team apparently had been going for 2 years and even won a title before I even heard about it
>>68878149
do not respond to that costa rican poster. even if you give him any answers, he will keep posting about it nonsensically and in broken english
>>68858090
Soccer is already mainstream. It's regularly on TV (and on real channels that people without a special sports package get, unlike ESPN8, "The Ocho"). A decent number of people generally understand the game, strategies, etc. If the national team is playing when people are off work, a lot of sports bars will fill up with people to watch. There are people that are willfully ignorant of soccer, but the same can be said of basketball, and LeBron is the most recognizable sports star in the U.S.
But soccer may never reach the popularity of handegg, basketball, baseball, or hockey, for one simple reason: Major League Soccer is a second-rate league. The NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL are all the best leagues in the world for their sports, and by a wide margin. And the only way MLS will stop being a second-rate league is if multiple teams end up with visionary leadership that is willing to overpay and lose money to attract top talent to MLS.
the way I see it OP, the game itself has an intrinsic flaw (or ten). if the actual sport being played is interesting and entertaining, people will end up shifting towards it over time regardless of how retarded the setup is or whatever. granted, that interest might go towards the top european leagues before it does the MLS, but if you want public interest to grow then you can't be picky at first. when that happens, the next generations will stick with soccer even as they get older instead of remaining a youth sport, and that will lead to things getting better and more developed long-term.
so that means the real question is
>Why isn't the game itself nearly as appealing to Americans as our other sports?
>>68878812
>Major League Soccer is a second-rate league. The NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL
only you play those shit sports of course you are the best on the world.(aside of basketball)
what the fuck
>>68878949
baseball is played all over Asia , the carribean, parts of south america, and even Eastern Europe
Soccer will become popular when enough American parents prevent their kids from playing football.
LOLing at all these children saying baseball is dying. Their revenue model isn't based on whether people watch national broadcasts. It's based on ticket sales (they set new records every year) and local cable TV contracts, which have gotten enormous. The sports revenue and attention pies aren't finite, they get bigger, and baseball has never been more popular. If you've got an argument beyond MUH WORLD SERIES RATINGS I'd love to hear it.
>>68878949
his point though was that americans have been spoiled because all of the leagues we watch in our favorite sports are the best leagues in the world for each sport.
so when trying to watch soccer, we'd have to reconcile with the fact the "the american league" and "the best league" aren't the same one, and it creates a cultural divide where there wasn't one before. this is something fans in other countries handle just fine but is something strange and relatively new for us. that's why the MLS seems caught between cultures, and people are always saying one thing or the other: either adopt the full european league style and play fall to spring, no playoffs or draft, promotion and relegation, no college system, OR drop all the european style names and songs, take the ads off the shirts and remove ties, and so on. people seem to agree that the way the MLS does things is "wrong", but there's no consensus on how things should change.
if soccer was something we made first and didn't branch off from euro culture, we'd stop trying to emulate it (and fail) and would just go about business the way the rest of our sports are.
>>68878996
>parts of South America
only Venezuela, and they have bigger problems to worry about than playing baseball with full gear
>all over Asia
Japan and who else?
>THe carribean
of course, they are basically USA Colonies, and even then is not every country.
>Eastern Europe
way less than Football, way less than volley or even handball.
>>68879160
i get it, makes sense
>>68879116
actually every youth sport's participation is down except ice hockey, it's not just football. yes, baseball is down too. don't take the ESPN-tier talking points seriously at face value.
>>68879204
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Federation_of_Asia
>>68879215
I wasn't suggesting parents were already doing that--i haven't studied it--just saying that's the most likely way soccer's popularity and talent level would realistically grow beyond normal organic growth.
>>68879215
My friend has his kid in ice hockey (Age 8) because he's a manlet so he know his son will be a manlet and manlets can play hockey, soccer, or golf.
Also you don't really need to be athletic to play hockey just a lot of training
>wanting football to get mainstream here
Fuck I hate modern football.
>>68858090
Make it like my japanese animes.
>>68867704
>with the size to knock people over
Kek when your opposition weighs on average 150 fucking pounds it's not that hard to do that
>>68879116
>Their revenue model isn't based on whether people watch national broadcasts. It's based on ticket sales (they set new records every year) and local cable TV contracts, which have gotten enormous.
This. Teams get 81 home games a year, and even a bad team can average 20,000 fans a game. Between ticket sales, parking, overpriced concessions, shirts, hats, and other souvenirs, Major League Baseball teams rack up a ton of money even before TV contracts come in.
>>68879328
fun fact, a kid's height when he's 2 years old are almost exactly half of what their full-grown height will be. so if you measure it early you can plan shit like that earlier too. got a young toddler who's 40 inches tall? get that kid a hoop.
>>68878812
>The NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL are all the best leagues in the world for their sports
You were sounding like a reasonable lad until that point. Seriously some of you guys live in a japan-tier bubble
>>68881566
What did Texas mean by this?
