Why is English NT so bad?
Why can't they play at the same level as other big European countries like France, Germany, Spain, Italy?
>>68487565
English football is stucked in the 60s.You just have to see the BPL to see how they play
Would you have Roy Hodgson manage your national team?
>>68487598
>Half of the goalscorers and half of the assisters so far in Euro 2016 play in the Premier League
How does this fit into your PL is shit narrative?
We're gonna win the Euros mate, no ammount of terrible German banter can prevent that
>>68487565
English coaches don't compete on the same level as European coaches, there really has been no influential English coach in the past maybe 30-40 years on a European level
>>68487565
They're just going through a bad phase, we were the same in 2010.
they are underrated right now because their manager is not up to it anymore
now for the first time in a while they have some young players who are actually important at their clubs, give them some time to mature
English coaches lack the brain.
English players lack the backbone and heart.
Not a good mix.
>>68487629
USA is more likely to win
>>68487644
This desu
>>68487644
Would an British coach ever do this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rep2eJq42hM
>>68487565
1. Smaller population than most "big" footballing countries
2. Somewhat antiquated coaching/youth development setup
3. Since they can't into penalties, their knockout round opponents can essentially advance with a draw
>>68487634
Capello and Sven were wank though
>>68487622
>players and coaches are exactly the same thing
No wonder you don't realize it.
>>68487658
Probably not, but then an English coach would never win a World Cup
They're too brutish to play a very technical sport
>>68487668
Capello was decent. Should have kept him.
>>68487658
Is he a native German or a Turk?
So far:
>scratched his balls or dick and sniffed
>picked his arse and sniffed
>picked his nose and ate the booger
This is stuff most guys do, but not in fucking public let alone in an area where you might be broadcast to tens of millions of people.
>>68487672
But most of our coaches are foreign as well so how does that work? We were no different under Sven or Capello.
too many spurs players, and we all know spurs never win fuck all.
Kane pls score
>>68487668
On a broader level, if you had better coaches training players from a youth level you would get better players as well, I think England lacks great coaching in this aspect.
As an outsider, it looks like there is not enough competition to recruit better coaches/managing talent within your footballing pyramid/league structure. Too many dinosaurs stealing a living coaching in the lower leagues
>>68487665
Then how come my small country which is shit at football have won the European championship while England in all it's history have not?
>>68487688
2010 was awful mate.
>>68487722
>English goalkeeping
What are you talking about? That year was great.
I think England will permanently be stuck in a cycle of waiting for deadweight to retire so youth can flourish. Things started to feel more promising when the egotist glory-seeking Lampard and Gerrard retired, but then in came the likes Sterling and Milner who will continue to occupy positions unconditionally regardless of whether or not it works until they too retire.
Hodgson has a hard-on for ""experienced"" players whose experience is limited to failing to get out of the group stages at the world cup in Brazil. He also has less tolerance for players from clubs that aren't traditionally big. One bad game in an England shirt was enough to drop premier league winner Drinkwater from the squad.
I don't think too many England fans expect the team to be contenders. Quarter finalists should be a realistic expectation with the squad, and getting to the semi-finals a good result.
just ran some calculations. JFs btfo tbph
>>68487722
Still better than anything under Woy
>>68487622
>How does this fit into your PL is shit narrative?
Another important aspect is having players who play together in big clubs. The english league is full of foreigners, for example Arsenal-Chelsea with 3 englishmen has been seen.
Italy used to play with a milan or juve core, germany with bayern, spain with barcelona.
One of those clubs would destroy most national teams.
>>68487713
I agree that's probably the case but Kane and Vardy were clearly superior to Giroud or Pelle this season. Alli was better than Fabregas, Silva, probably Ozil, maybe not Payet but definitely fucking Giaccherini. Dier was the best DM apart from Kante.
So I'd say we're still underperforming if we don't win the group and make the semis.
>>68487565
>Roy "One Point" Hodgson
Gee I wonder.
>>68487700
The problem is twofold. 1 is foreign coaches being able to convince a majority of english players to forget most of what they've been taught as kids and conform to modern football, where you have to rely on wit and tactical wherewithal rather than long passes and physical superiority, to put it simply. Also, to contain that shitty "lad" mentality where all it seems "lads" want after they reach a modicum of success is go clubbing and get hammered and have no real responsibilities.
The other is english coaches having absolutely no clue at a club level. They've been coasting for years on the ability to sign the best athletes (as opposed to combining physical dominance with tactical knowledge and skills) and employing retard level tactics like long pass & rush.
Whenever you're able to field a relatively diverse PL team with a (usually) foreign coach that knows how football is played outside the isles, they eventually have success at a national level. Fixing the NT however, is a much harder task.
>>68487761
>The league is 3 teams
>>68487692
Germans are a scatological people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXPyCY7jbs
>>68487812
>The BPL has no good teams
>>68487565
>Hodgson finally discovers the wonders of a pseudo 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 after it's already been dropped by the majority of the best clubs in Europe
To quote Jethro Tull, they're Living in the Past.
>>68487665
>1. Smaller population than most "big" footballing countries
England has a population of 54 million. That's England, not the U.K.
France: 66 million
Germany: 81 million
Spain: 46 million
Italy: 60 million
Portugal: 10 million
Population wise England is right up there with the big countries.
Too much animosity between the clubs. They hate working together.
Also shit manager.
>>68487719
Meme magic.
Will England win more than just 1 point this time around?
>>68487641
as far as I can remember Hodgson is one of the better managers they had in the last 20 years.
>>68487761
Why aren't the scorers and assisters all from la liga then?
Answer: because they are all either Spanish or south American, so hardly any are playing in this tournament. So that doesn't have a huge effect on how well England are doing seen as they're unlikely to have to face more than 1 or 2 la liga players until they meet Spain.
>>68487841
>54 Million
20% of those are pakis that can't even shit in a toilet right.
>>68487841
Yeah, but half of those are shitskins who are only interested in pakipaddle and child rape.
>>68487865
Your league playing meme footbal is a fact.If you watch a middle of the pack mathc of the Barclays meme league, you will see the actual level of english football. English players are very poor technically, and they are trained like it was 1960, producing subpar players overall
Serious answer: Football is a working class sport in England and because of the rigid class-system, they look down upon intellectualism. So english football is basically run by people who are anti any form of new innovation because they see it as upper class snobbery. They will dismiss any form of new development as "nonsense" and questioning the current way of playing football is seen as a personal attack on them and their class.
>>68487905
They always said "Rugby is a sport for thugs played by gentlemen and Football is a sport for gentlemen played by thugs".
>>68487639
that's a big phase
>>68487800
>a relatively diverse PL team with a (usually) foreign coach
Arsenal are always the most diverse and have had a foreign coach for ages. They also play the closest to continental football but haven't won shit in 12 years.
>>68487905
This is a big part of it.
>>68487719
Euro < World Cup
>>68487957
Wegner is a loser. Buying Memezil for that much money just shows how little does he know about football
>>68487658
If Roy won a world cup i would be happy for him to masturbate on the bench 2bh
>>68487889
So all the foreign managers and foreign players are busy playing inferior football in the PL but as soon as they go to an international team they're suddenly superior players again.
Of course they're being dragged down by the English players who are actually putting in better performances than them (Kane, Vardy, Alli, Dier, Smalling)
Meanwhile your own products such as Pedro, Bojan, Otamendi, Valdes come here and can't make any impression on our vastly inferior football.
I agree your best teams are better than our best teams but something doesn't add up.
Serious question:
Can Hogdson be sacked during the Euros? Also paper talk of him being sacked if we don't make the semis this year
>>68487975
But memezil is playing as number 10 for the world champions?
>>68487957
How long has Wenger been in the UK tho? And how are you able to say the he was successful in implementing his ideas VS having to conform to the way shit was and always has been? Also, what ever made him a good coach to start with? You know he was coaching in fucking Japan before he ended up at Arsenal.
And despite this, they've on and off played some of the best (at least best looking) football in the EPL in a while. Not to mention finishing 2nd this year. (To Ranieri and just ahead of Pocchetino)
>>68488056
Yeah a team has done that before.
They have no passion cause they're paid so much and they are mental midgets
>>68487905
This is the reason.
>>68487812
Liverpool 1 - Sevilla 3
>>68488062
He's been there for ages so the team and the youth play exactly as he wants. There's no battle against Englishness there, it's basically a continental team.
They play short passing possession football and then someone takes it off them and steam rolls their defence on a regular enough basis that they never win anything.
Basically they're not strong enough but you guys are making out that pretty short passing should trump physical long passing every time as it's superior.
I heard one problem is that big english clubs were bought by foreign millionairs who dont care about training young english talents and buy top players from other countries instead
Is there any merit to it?
>>68487905
As someone who was on the fringes of youth football in England, I would agree with this.
The culture is backwards as fuck, and proud of it.
Is football more middle class on the continent, Eurobros?
>>68488133
>Is there any merit to it?
Yes, I think it's a big part of it. We've had the same problem with rugby. The moment our championship started being flooded with foreigners, the NT started plunging.
>>68488143
at least in germany, we dont really have a class culture like in Britain
>>68488039
>Meanwhile your own products such as Pedro, Bojan, Otamendi, Valdes come here and can't make any impression on our vastly inferior football.
Cesc,Silva and even Cazorla were in the discussion for the best players in the Barclays meme league, and they were literally our leftovers.The BPL is just a subpar league.
>>68488058
Ozil sucks.I dontknow how anyone takes him seriously
>>68488167
>most assists and key passes in Europe
You're dumb m8.
>>68488120
It is superior.English football is pathetic.Even Our lower teams could beat most of the BPL.In every continental competition you just get rolfstomped by mediocre teams, English style of football is outdated
>>68488058
He's not, he plays on the wing and he's shit.
>>68487905
How about an example?
>>68488174
>most assists and key passes in Europe
Totally pointless.HE runs dry after 50 minutes, and works jackshit.If he can give meme passes in counter attacks is totally pointless.Madrid started winning when they kicked him.There is a reason behind this
>>68487692
I only do the balls stuff
Who the fuck picks his nose and eats that shit? Löw is fucking disgusting even by German standards
>>68488185
This.Brits know shit about football in general
>>68488120
It's not that it trumps physical play and long passing every time, otherwise Portugal would've trampled Iceland yesterday. It's that it's generally a better, more reliable choice when you have the technical and TACTICAL superiority over the opposition.
And the reason I'm highlighting tactical is because being able to play decent up front has no relation with being able to make a team defend properly. Remember Mou's Chelsea? Current Low Germany, current Del Bosque Spain, current Whoeverheis Italy? Guys that make their teams play boring as shit football? It's boring because their teams don't get dispossessed easily and if they do, they're correctly placed to prevent danger on the counter. Wenger has never been able to do this or to make his player buy into it with the success these other guys have.
He also usually sports way too much youth on the pitch but that's a different problem.
>>68488161
All three of those players were shit this season. The only good former la liga players were Aguero and Ozil.
Pedro can't be a leftover seen as he's in your squad as well.
>>68488225
Only the leftovers go to your shit league.Again, the liga teams rolfstomps any BPL team.Even Sevilla destroyed Liverpool, which shows how crappy your league is.
>>68488199
So you're saying Wenger and his players just need to play smarter? Fair enough but most people think they're too pussy and they need a stronger DM and maybe a tougher defender.
>>68488143
>Is football more middle class on the continent, Eurobros?
It's more the class hatred that is the problem. Football is a working class sport everywhere.
A meme tier comparison is how blacks in the US will hate on other blacks who speak grammatically correct english for "talking white". The british working class has sort of a similar attitude, which of course partly is due to discrimination against them.
>>68488247
>Fair enough but most iliterate brits that believe that our failure style of football believe that they're too pussy and they need a stronger DM and maybe a tougher defender.
>>68488235
Liverpool only came 7th, same as Sevilla.
If these are your leftovers why are 6 of them in your national team squad, displacing superior la liga players?
>>68488259
So what you're saying is that people in football on the continent are more accepting of people from diverse class backgrounds?
Like you would have a team made up of kids from working class and middle class backgrounds and no one would give a shit?
>>68487565
>half of the players are memes
>second half from Tottenham
>awful manager
>wondering why they cant win shit
>>68488269
Because the BPL pay them extremely high wages for leftovers quality.Good Spanish players stay in Spain,the BPL recieves trashy players, and the Bundesliga recieves some decent players from time to time,Just face it the BPL is second tier league compared to la liga
>>68487748
Why don't your coaches 'make' players retire? Tell them that they will get a nice send-off and all if they go out of their own volition and not embarass them publicly. Also then do what you promissed if they don't want to retire. Straight up say that that player will never play for the NT again and that he behaved like a baby when asked to step down quietly.
>>68488310
I don't know why people continue to argue. La Liga evidently is the better league currently as evidenced by the European domination in both the CL and EL.
The parity of money means that the lower tier English teams probably are better than their Spanish counterparts, but given sport is about winning I'm not sure this argument has much weight.
>>68488310
You didn't answer the question. Why are 6 of your trashy leftovers in your national team squad instead of la liga players?
>>68487800
>Portugal making a long post about whats wrong with English Football
Im sorry but did >we just lose to Iceland?
>>68487565
It's really not surprising that we're doing so shit this year. Our starting 11 is filled with players from two of the biggest choker teams of all time, Liverpool and Tottenham. We brought 5 strikers but play a formation where only one of them players. We take our only striker and put him on corner duty instead of putting him on the receiving end of it. We play everyone out of their preferred position. We bring players who have barely had any game time this season. We leave players who are in excellent form at home.
>>68488342
>The parity of money means that the lower tier English teams probably are better than their Spanish counterparts, but given sport is about winning I'm not sure this argument has much weight.
I rally dont know about this.The lower tier here have lots of on loan big teams players.But we will never know
>>68487565
Becuase we haven't binned those shitcunts called Rooney and Lallana yet
>>68488151
>>68488143
this is true. we don't really have classes in Germany like in Britain.
But to be honest, a lot of the pro players are kids of immigrants and so on as football is often seen as the only way for them to get rich because they won't be considered for higher positions in companys.
that means our divide is not by class but more by natives and immigrants and their offspring.
>>68488296
>Like you would have a team made up of kids from working class and middle class backgrounds and no one would give a shit?
At least in Germany, yes. Can't speak for other countries though, as I don't know them well enough.
Because their domestic league is dominated by foreign players and English players seldom go abroad to develop their skills.
>>68488310
you're chatting so much shit
>>68488247
Partially, yes. Mou (for instance) sort of opened the eyes to the majority here in Portugal by employing smartarse tactics so obviously- telling his players to feign injury, not giving ball away if you have to pass it back to your keeper 50 times, making pointless subs in the latter minutes of play, instructing players to pick fights with the opposition, coming into the pitch, arguing with the ref- all sorts of "underhanded" shit designed to burn clock. Most of which, the brits haven't realized even now, judging by your commentators. That's "playing smart".
The other bit which I don't think you're alluding to is being able to defend with and without possession.
>Without the ball
Involves taking no risks and always having numeric superiority in the last 3rd of the pitch; being able to move the team around the pitch after the ball as a whole unit (see Italy's last game); making players aware of when to double, when to stay and when to cover for teammates; prioritizing areas of the pitch (inside box- outside in crossing position, outside in central shooting position- outside in early crossing position, outside in long shooting position) and the response of his players (in how hard to tackle/how much to gamble) depending on where the ball is, etc.
>With the ball
All you have to do is watch the 2nd half of Germany VS Ukraine- it's a much better instruction than anything I could type.
TL;DR- In modern football you have two options. You have possession or you don't. Most skilled team has possession. Possession team attacks constantly and its first priority is not losing possession. Losing possession = Losing footbal; Defending team is all or all but one behind the ball. First priority is not getting displaced. Getting displaced = Giving up spaces for the opposition. Giving up space = Giving up chances. Enough chances = Goal. Within this concept, playing long is saying "I don't care if I keep possession or not". Playing long = losing football.
>>68488354
ecause the quality of the selection has go down,as our good players have been retiring,like Xavi or Villa. Still the core is la liga based
>>68487565
Too many immigrants in the league holding the white man down.
>>68488179
>Anyone but 3 or 4 teams in your country
>Beating a BPL team
>>68488356
Did we? And did we also barely beat a Portuguese squad coach by a numbskull with 1 less man for 60 minutes with a lucky goal?
>>68487676
an English coach already has you daft cunt
>>68488379
>top scorers domestically all english
>most record holders all english
>top players english
Even if that wasn't the case, explain the period from 1966 to 1996 when the overwhelming majority were English.
>>68488296
Yes, but that being said I think most countries have the same problem as England, but it is just more obvious in England becuase of your class culture. I remember reading about Yoann Gourcuff in France being bullied for being white middle class. No idea about Spain, Portugal or Italy tho.
>>68488423
Sevilla stomped liverpool.And they barely make it to the Europa league.Our league is just superior in every way.The BPL is just a commercialiced meme
>>68487565
How are England bad exactly? They had one of the best qualfying records in Europe (if not the best) and have practically won every single game they have played for the last two years. They've probably got the best W/L/D record in the entire world at the moment.
>>68488429
Records are held by English players because they tend to stay there their whole career, while foreigners are more flexible or arrive later
>>68488448
Why are all the records in Spain held by foreigners then?
>>68488440
>Spain, Portugal or Italy
Everyone wants to be a football player here regardless of class.Xavi's family is quite wealthy for example, and football is a sport that everyone follows.
>>68488443
Read what I said again. La liga is ridiculously predictable and most of it is made up of teams that couldn't play in the Football League Championship
>>68487800
I'm sorry, how many international trophies does portugal have at club level or International level?
>>68488193
>Löw is fucking disgusting even by German standards
Now that's saying a lot!
>>68488475
>La liga is ridiculously predictable and most of it is made up of teams that couldn't play in the Football League Championship
kek.Our bottom tems play better football than the BPL winner. Dont talk shit.La liga should have 6 spots to the champions, while the BPL should have 2
>>68487800
>after they reach a modicum of success is go clubbing and get hammered and have no real responsibilities.
that's virtually unheard of in modern english football, the money that's involved is colossal so players that step out of line are severly punished or even sold if they don't conform to a professional code of conduct, modern english footballers are actually quite boring
>>68488379
>English players seldom go abroad to develop their skills
Definitely an element of that, too. In the nineties, the likes of Platt, Gascoigne, Ince and Des Walker would go and play in Italy (the first three being a big success, Walker not so much), Chris Waddle thriving at Marseille in the early 90s, and also the lads that went over to Real Madrid in the 00s (McManaman, Beckham, Owen, Woodgate).
It doesn't happen much nowadays at all, largely because of the obscene amounts of cash in the English league fuelled by the TV rights deals. Some of our players would thrive and improve going to say, Spain, Italy, Germany for a bit. Many British players are happy to sit on the bench and pick up their wages or drop to the second tier (which is the best second tier in Europe in all honesty) rather than go to another top-flight team in Europe, even to a secondary top-flight league like say, Turkey, Portugal or the Netherlands.
>>68488400
Right. There are only 12 la liga players in the Spain squad so you're saying there's a maximum of 12 good Spanish players in la liga and the rest of the Spanish players are obviously trashy like Pedro or Silva as they can't get in the squad ahead of them.
Ergo la liga isn't all that great.
>>68488525
>like Pedro or Silva as they can't get in the squad ahead of them.
>Ergo la liga isn't all that great.
No.The mid table teams dont have the budget to pay Pedro what Chelsea does, but our crappy team still play better football than any BPL team.The good Spanish players stay in La liga.Is not that hard to get
>>68488546
>but our crappy team still play better football than any BPL team
no they don't
>>68488500
Let's see how your possession-based football does against the Foxes then.
>>68488546
>The good Spanish players stay in La liga but don't get in the squad
>Pedro would be at a mid table team but still gets in the squad
You're taking shit.
>>68488056
He'll get an extended deal even if they crash out in the R16, knowing how the FA works.
Gotta keep those puppet managers and not those who have their own mind, beliefs and opinions at the helm
>>68488579
He is not even in the initial team.pedro should play in a team like Sevilla or Valencia, but they just dont have the budget, or are dumb enough to pay him that much
>>68488440
>No idea about Spain, Portugal or Italy tho.
Wasn't Kaka basically bullied in Brazil as well (for being a white, educated and wealthy kid, since football is played by favelitos there)?
>>68488390
Good read.
>>68488613
If he's that poor then where are all the superior players from Atletico (2 squad players), Villarreal (1), Athletic (2), Celta Vigo (1)? Why aren't they picked ahead of the shitty premier league players?
>>68487601
t. Scouser
>>68487565
Every English fan knows what the problem is but the FA keeps appointing 'yes' men every time so nothing ever changes.
>>68487872
>>68487873
>10 seconds apart
God save the Queen lads
>>68487565
Because our league is so strong and attracts the world's best players, meaning English players get shunted to one side.
In Germany you have one good team and they use mostly German players (Muller, Hummels, Boateng, Neuer, Lahm, Kroos and Schwin until a couple of years ago, Gotze, Muller etc. etc.
In England we attract the very best of the best in the world. Not just English players, so naturally it's more difficult for them to get game time.
France's best player: Martial, plays in the PL
Second best? Payet, plays in the PL
Best midfielder? Kante, you guessed it, PL
Their back up? Schniederlin, plays in the PL
Germany's captain? Plays in the PL
Spains goalkeeper and number 1 in the world? Plays in the PL.
The list is endless.
>>68487905
mfw this makes sense. fucking chavs.
>>68488770
>Because our league is so strong and attracts the world's best players, meaning English players get shunted to one side.
Or maybe your clubs just buy foreign players instead of training domestic talents?
>>68487905
>They will dismiss any form of new development as "nonsense"
Well, that explains their resistance towards Instant Replay
>>68487905
Think we have a winner
>>68488390
I agree with most of this but a lot of the underhanded stuff you won't get away with in England. Feigning injury, winding up players, pressuring the ref will all either get you booked or get you a reputation so you get booked more often. See mou's constant raging in post match interviews.
These things are seen as proper cheating in England as opposed to heavy challenges which are just physical play and an expected part of the game.
I think referees have a lot to do with the difference in style. Put Spanish refs in charge of last season's premier league and I think Arsenal win it with a lot of set pieces whereas Leicester and Spurs would have a lot of suspensions.
>>68488703
Del Bosque's choice.Pedro is trash,that shouldn't have been drafted
>>68488770
The BPL is a second tier league that is laugh upon in continental competitions.Everyone wants to play against the english team
>>68488770
>Spains goalkeeper and number 1 in the world?
Plays for Bayern Munich. The number 2 plays for Barcelona.
>>68488189
Look at Harry Redknapp's (probably the archetypal English manager) entire coaching philosophy
>>68488898
Is that the Del Bosque that won the world cup and 2 Euros? Yeah what the fuck does he know?
>>68487905
this is absolute and total misinformed ignorant bollocks, all the younger generation of english managers have fully embraced all aspects of modern football, all the fucking idiots that agreed with this post are fucking clueless as well
Because we have a lower pool of talent to pick from because we play more than just Football over here
And our youth coaching/system is terrible
And our league has way too many foreigners in it
And our league is filled with teams who would rather just buy up foreign talent as a quick fix and not invest in the long term future
>>68487565
english players are league babbys so it's normal they suck once they have to face top competition
>>68488934
No.He won those competitions because Aragones did all the hardwork.Del Bosque just took his team.When the old guard started retiring, 2014 happened,
>>68487565
>Why is the English NT so bad?
It's not. If it is, 95% of UEFA is too.
>>68487565
All of their players are pretty much full career premier league players. They are used to better/laxer refereeing which allows them to play a certain way, a way thats rarely allowed by continental refs.
>>68488964
>And our league is filled with teams who would rather just buy up foreign talent as a quick fix and not invest in the long term future
This is not true, english players are constantly overvalued just for being english. This is why no foreign team will buy them.
>>68487905
this 2bh
look at the fanbases for cricket, rugby and compare it with soccer
cricket is popular mainly among upper class elites and Pakis, none of which have a big presence in football. the only upper class brits who like football are uniLAD bitchboys who's biggest exposure to the game is fantasy premier league. likewise, rugby is pretty much just a sport played by the posh and in northern england
contrast the smart, handsome, aristocratic english cricket team to the absolute mongs in their divegrass teams.
>>68488958
Adopt yes, they're still not set in their ways too much to do that. But they'll never innovate, and their adoption of new tactics will slow over the next decade.
>>68489107
you have absolutely zero evidence for any of that
>>68489011
ah right so he just told the players to do what ever they want on the picth and let the first 23 players to turn up for training join the squad?
>>68489056
FUCKING LOL, how is it laxer when you can't get away with diving, simulation and rolling over 58 times if someone touches you?!
They're not?They actually played very well against Russia and should have curbstomped them by about 4 goals.Maybe it's a mentality thing why they can never put together a good run in a tournament.
>>68489100
>rugby
>played by posh people
Name all the 'posh' players in England's rugby team
>>68489153
No, he just did the easier part.Aragones built the playing style and the squad, which Pep would later developed in Barça.Del Bosque just copied them.
>>68489171
>you can't get away with diving, simulation and rolling over
how longer will we have to keep hearing this complete lie? the only reason your diving numbers decreased is because madrid signed rolando
>>68489267
anyone with a pair of eyes can see how bad diving and simulation is in continental football, in hispanic cultures it is embraced as an integral part of the game, even though is strictly against the rules and your shitty referees go along with it
>>68488363
you do have classes bud, you're probably so middle you're blissfully unaware
>>68489234
>which Pep would later developed in Barça
false, pep was already using his system to promote barcelona b before the euro 2008
>>68488259
stop talking bollocks m8, some fuckwits in this thread actually believe this fucking tripe, the lines between the classes in England are more blurred now than ever before, if you actually lived here and knew even remotely what you are talking about you woukld already know this
England is shit at soccer. USA is better.
>>68489351
He used the Aragones system, using iniesta(who was benched at the time), and advancing Xavi to a more offensive role.Pep was heavily influenced by Aragones
>>68489234
What you are essentially saying is that any manager on the planet could do what Del Bosque did, which is absolute shit and you know it, but you are trying to promote an argument you have zero evidence for so the rest of your bullshit arguments in this thread which are now based on your assertion that Del Boisque is a shit manager don't fall apart.
>>68489410
Del Bosque didn't do anything special.He was in the right place in the right moment
>>68489370
this tobihannes
>>68487817
Kek, based Zizek bringing the bantz
>>68489323
>let me tell you about your country
