1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaq
8. Tim Duncan
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Julius Erving
if you disagree with this list, you're basically a moron
Move Bill to 1st and Kareem and Bird ahead of Magic and that list is as close to perfect as you are ever gonna get.
>>68165484
>no steph curry.
None of those players on that list can shoot better than Curry, that's a fact.
>>68165525
those details can be discussed, but throwing anyone else into this list and removing someone out would be just plain retarded
>>68165484
>no curry
Dude is literally destroying the legacy of LeBeta, Durcant, Westbrick, CPee3 and etc.
Post more Pam
>>68165538
>Shooting is the only metric on which to measure players.
What the Hell is wrong with you?
>>68165540
Shaq said Hakeem was better than him. Hakeem deserves to be there instead of Julius or Shaq.
>>68165699
he said that only because he was being nice
>>68165699
>Shaq said Hakeem was better than him. Hakeem deserves to be there instead of Julius or Shaq.
>argument from authority
Into the trash. Shaq was much better than Hakeem, although Hakeem was better than Robertson and Erving.
>Duncan
lol
>>68165484
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaq
8. Tim Duncan
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Julius Erving
Fixed
>>68165484
>No Kobr
Where's Varejão tbqh senpai
>>68165739
So everyone's being nice? Come on.The man himself said so. I'd respect his opinion more than you just showed.
>Wilt>Bill
I love this meme.
Nevermind that they literally played against eachother their whole careers and Wilt never ever won a playoff series against Bill.
Also, Kobe, Hakeem and LeBron just off the top of my head are better than Oscar and Julius.
>>68165484
Where the fuck is Steph?
He isn't even halfway through his career
>>68165484
umm....
>>68166273
this pic actually offended me
consider me triggered
>>68166257
Are you suggesting a lanky 6'2 guard with glass lower body will play past 35?
>>68165484
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Larry Bird
4. Bill Russel
5. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Tim Duncan
9. LeBron James
10. Allen Iverson
Honorable mention: Steve Nash, Dirk nowitzki, Julius erving, Steph Curry, shaq
Dishonorable mention: jevale mcgee, Brian scalabrine
>Magic > Bird even when they played at the same time and It was stated back then that Larry was the superior player
kek
KEK
>>68166341
Put Dirk over Iverson and the list is good
>magic at 4
Kys aids boy
>>68166341
>9. LeBron James
>no legod
shit list
>>68165484
1, Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Shaq
5. Magic Johnson
6. Allen Iverson
7. Vince Carter
8. Tracy McGrady
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Steve Nash
>>68168377
>2. LeBron James
>Jenna Fischer
thank you
I would marry that woman in a hearbeat tb h
absolutely perfect
>>68168594
Only reason I'm inthie thread as well. Jenna is fap magical
I put LeBron just over Shaq on an all-time list
Ask me anything
>lebron anywhere in the top 10
Yeah nah inflating your stats in a weak ass conference your whole career is not impressive. LeBeta gets exposed every time he faces the west as proven by his soon to be 2-5 record
>>68165484
1. Kareem
2. Jordan
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Hakeem
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Robertson
>mfw there are people putting Shaq ahead of Hakeem
>>68168758
Shaq was easily a better player
>>68168790
except when he got thrashed on by Hakeem in every iso, leading to an outright sweep thanks to Shaqs inability to beat an old ass man.
Shaq was in his athletic prime and he could even touch an over-the-hill Dream.
>>68165484
>Kareem not 1
Jesus Christ the delusion is real
Kareem is literally the greatest of all time, HE WAS A FUCKING CENTER TOO
not only does he hold the record for most points
But he holds the most win shares ever 3rd in steals a game 3rd in rebounds and 3rd in blocks
He is undoubtably the greatest of all time Jordan doesn't even deserved top 5
Also Kareem won 6 finals
>>68168923
Hakeem had a better series, Shaq was a better player.
Im glad someone else around here realizes that LeDouche is overrated af
>>68168946
this is a lazy argument, especially since it wasn't just the finals that Shaq got roasted by him.
Hakeem played in one of the strongest eras for centers.
Shaq played in outright the weakest.
When prime Shaq faced a(n old) Hakeem, he got dismantled.
There is no argument where Shaq is a better player.
Lazy argument without thought on your end.
>>68165484
>>68165885
>>68166341
>>68168377
>>68168758
>curry not number 1
>wilt > bird
LOL, nice try nigger lover
wilt isnt even top 5
>>68169296
>When prime Shaq faced a(n old) Hakeem, he got dismantled.
Why are you lying on the internet? Shaq had just turned 23, was in his 3rd season in the league and had many better seasons than this one.
Hakeem never played any better than in 92-95.
Shaq has better stats, more team trophies and better individual accolades.
Hakeem has one better Finals series.
>even attempting to compare players with such different roles
Smh
1. Jordan
2. Magic
Everything after that is a guess.
>duncan over kobe
>>68165484
>no Hakeem
>Shaq on any list ever
>>68169770
Shaq was the most athletic 5 the game has ever seen & the biggest. How is he not in the top ten?
I remember about 6-7 years ago Kobe Bryant was considered top 3 all time.
What went wrong?
>>68168377
Is this a joke
>>68169526
>Shaq has better stats
Ebin :^)
>>68169824
I got him at 3, but but that's a floating 3 with Bird, Kareem & Iverson.
Joking about the Iverson, but kinda not really.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Bron Bron
5. Shaq
6. Wilt
7. Russell
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Bird
All other lists are objectively wrong.
>>68169904
Shaq - 23.7/10.9/2.5 on .582 shooting
Hakeem - 21.9/11.1/2.5 on .512 shooting
>>68169810
You mean a fatass. A skillless motherfucker of a whale who only knew how to push people around when there was 0 talent on the 5 position for him to do it. He got his ass handed to him by Ben Wallace, the poor man's Alonzo Mourning, who was 3 inches shorter and 6 stone lighter.
>>68169526
As already stated, Shaq played in era where there were ZERO other centers in the league.
Hakeem played in arguably the toughest.
And in the point of crossover, Shaq got humiliated by Hakeem....not just in the Finals (as already stated) but literally every matchup.
And yes, that was Shaq's athletic prime. Easily.
Afterwards, his success came from a lack of competition, which was easily demonstrated by the Dream....repeatedly.
>>68169936
>le 2-5 over wilt and russell and their combined 9001 rings
m8..
>>68169995
BTFO
>>68169995
You forgot blocks and steals.
>>68170032
Shaq is 14-10 vs Hakeem and has better head to head stats
>>68170054
So meme stats?
>>68170032
Also, following this logic
Isiah Thomas > Michael Jordan because Isiah kicked MJ's ass in a 1988 play off series (Jordan's athletic prime).
>>68170022
I'll interject by saying this. Quickest feet in the game barring point guards. Go back & watch the actual footage, son.
>>68169757
This has been confirmed for literally almost a decade.
>>68170133
>meme stats
Stats are stats, mate. The Dream was also a better free throw shooter and only one to get a quad twice. His ball handling was also god tier. And there was that time when he swept prime Shaq.
Top 5 Big Men
1. Kareem
2. Wilt
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. >Shaw
6. Hakeem
7. Moses
Too bad Dwight was a bitch about it.
>>68170213
>Shaq
>quick anything
I am at a loss for words.
>>68170022
>He got his ass handed to him by Ben Wallace
>got his ass handed to him
>averaged 27/11 on .640 shooting
Meanwhile Kobr was chucking 25 shots a game while shooting <40% and no one else on the team could score more than 6 points
If Kobe isn't top 5 on your list:
kill yourself
If Lebron is anywhere on your list:
kill yourself
If Shaq is above Duncan on your list:
kill yourself.
>>68165484
would anyone really take Shaq over Duncan?
>only 72 players in the history of the NBA have attempted the amount of free throws that Shaq has MISSED.
>>68170345
>thinking a chucker could ever be top 5
>thinking a choker could ever be top 5
>you're actually right about Duncan > Shaq
>>68170324
I like Muslims. Once banged a very ugly but immensely brilliant social butterfly Pakistani girl.
My heart.
>Ranking players in a rigged sport
What's next? WWE power rankings?
>>68170368
Only because Duncan is a basketball sociopath & Shaq was never going to do the "Pop" game. Actual talent wise..
>>68170379
>I like muslims
>My sole reason for liking them is because thats the only girl that would sleep with me in my miserable life, and that was only because she was so ugly
lol, thats just sad.
>>68166341
This is the right ranking
>>68169357
Underage ban
>>68170414
It was a joke. I never really banged that Pakistani girl.
>>68170408
>Actual talent wise
Talent wise, Lebron is top 3 of all time and Grant Hill deserves serious top 10 consideration
>>68170408
top 10 lists aren't about talent, but performance.
Duncan has the chips, the stats, and the longevity.
You'd be crazy to take Shaq over Duncan on a top 10.
It would be like putting Jeff George on your top 10 QB's ahead of Montana.
>>68170445
We keep to ourselves. Therein lies the problem.
>>68170414
She was too great. Her ugliness had to be played up due to her inner ability to shed & interact. One of if not the most beautiful soles I've ever fugged.
There are all horrible
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Kobe
5. Magic Johnson
6. Hakeem Olajuwan
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaw
9. Russell
10. Robertson
>>68170534
>4. Kobe
>>68170534
Best list so far.
Kobe should be a lil higher tho
>All you people sleeping on Magic
Nerds.
He's the LeBron you wanted Lebron to be.
>>68165484
>3. Bill Russell
>Julius Erving anywhere near a top 10
Le Epic Dr. J meme
>>68165484
Is this pic real?
>>68171598
There were like 3 good players in the whole league back when Bill played. 80's and 90's were when the NBA became great.
LeBron is top 3 fuck the haters
Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Barkley
Malone
LeBron
>>68165586
He's had two good seasons.
pistol pete
Weird how so many people are unaware of how great Oscar Robertson was
>>68170266
STOP. PUTTING. WILT. ABOVE. BILL
Also, Shaq in his prime is arguably the best Center to ever play the game. Certainly superior to Duncan and Wilt. Hakeem had a higher peak but less longevity than Kareem. IMO the former being better.
1.Shaq - unfair. The most powerfull and straight up dominant player ever
2.Hakeem - The pinnacle of the converging path of Shaq's (ie a super quick, elusive, technically godlike Center.)
3.Bill - 11 rings. No one ever beat him pretty much.
4.Duncan - Just perfection in an average bodyframe.
5.Kareem - Just a very durable very lasting consistent low post presence on both ends. (also a fucking sissy)
6.Wilt - Numbers too high to not be heard. But benefitted immensely historically from playing in an era where no other player could even consider guarding him. The only one that could, beat him countless times (actually countable). Also too dumb a Nigger to realise how to win and universally hated by every teammate he had because of this.
The objectively correct power rankings.
>People putting Magic over Bird
1. Jordan
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Kareem
7. Lebron
8. Zeke
9. Curry
10. Dr. J
How shit is my taste?
>>68171598
>Russell
>no one to compete with
>8 team league
>Celtics stacked
Gee wonder why the big black guy won stuff
>>68175012
>1.Shaq - unfair. The most powerfull and straight up dominant player ever
Doesn't into pick and roll defense. Fat and lazy. Never reached his true potential. Was an average defender.
>2.Hakeem - The pinnacle of the converging path of Shaq's (ie a super quick, elusive, technically godlike Center.)
Underrated center but he was too injury prone to ever make an impact.
>3.Bill - 11 rings. No one ever beat him pretty much.
Was on a super stacked team compared to other teams. Benefited from Red's coaching and team building.
>4.Duncan - Just perfection in an average bodyframe.
Average athlete for his position, but a master in fundamentals.
Never led his team to a back-to-back
Doesn't have the stats compared to the other bigs in this group
>5.Kareem - Just a very durable very lasting consistent low post presence on both ends. (also a fucking sissy)
Won with the Bucks when Wilt was in decline, needed Oscar to help him.
Never won a chip when the NBA was watered down due to the emergence of the ABA.
Won his other rings because of Magic.
>6.Wilt - Numbers too high to not be heard. But benefitted immensely historically from playing in an era where no other player could even consider guarding him. The only one that could, beat him countless times (actually countable). Also too dumb a Nigger to realise how to win and universally hated by every teammate he had because of this.
Won a championship and BTFO the Celtics when the 76ers actually got good players to play with him.
Won another with the Lelkers in spite of West and co. choking.
The ultimate athlete the NBA has ever seen.
Would put up big numbers regardless of the era.
>>68177258
Revised Big Men rankings.
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3a. Hakeem
3b. Shaw
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Moses
8. Robinson
9. Reed
10. Walton
>>68177258
>was too injury prone to ever make an impact.
>>68176549
If it was so easy why couldnt anyone else do it?
>>68165484
Is this the chick from the office?
>>68177406
Because no one else had like 6 other HoFers on their team in a ridiculously shallow league
>>68177384
I meant in terms of deep playoff runs.
His Rockets should have been the constant winners in the West during the early 90s when he was in his prime.
But significant injuries and bad rapport with his owner (this was before he converted) prevented him and his team from doing deep runs in the west.
>>68177441
>>68177413
Is you putting dicks in your orifice?
>>68177440
If it was so easy why didn't other teams have stacked rosters?
>>68177440
This, once Wilt got all-star players in his team, his 76ers beat up the Celtics 4-1 in the ECF and the games weren't even close.
>>68177490
Hoarding half of the league's talent on 1 team is not easy. It's never happened again.
>>68165699
Shaq was so dominant that the hack-a-Shaq strategy was used by many teams to try and stop him. He deserves to be top 10
I don't know if he'd crack the top 10 but Bob Pettit is easily the most underrated player in NBA history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFTY-6sk3iA
>>68177258
>Muh Bill was on a Celts superteam and Wilt played with scrubs argument
This is a myth.
Also Shaq would fucking destroy Wilt's bitch-ass.
>8th all time in blocks
>average defender
k m8
>>68177622
>someone that grew up with proper nutrition and workout regimens would destroy a lanklet from the era of dinosaurs
Whoa next you'll tell me a spitfire would have no chance against a mig 29
Fact: in ten years nobody will make a list like these without including Lebron in the top three. /sp/ just loves to be contrarian about currently active players.
John Stockton was better than all these niggers
>>68177622
>only 8th
Wilt would have been #1 if the counted blocks sooner.
>This is a myth.
It's painfully obvious that Bill was on a super team.
Russell's teammates alone were worth approximately 11 more wins than Chamberlain's per regular season.
Russell played with at least 6 HOFers in his team pers season.
And the playoff matchups between them were close, very close because Wilt carried his teams with monster numbers.
The time when Wilt had 3 HOFers on his side, he stomped on the Celtics 4-1.
>>68177622
>claims something is a myth
>does nothing to explain how is it a myth
>>68177719
If LeBron stopped playing right now how could anyone consider him top 3? I could see an argument for top 10 but definitely not top 5.
>>68177719
Lebron will end up being an interesting footnote mentioned alongside his era, but not close to GOAT discussions like say Karl Malone or Ben Wallace
>>68177834
I just looked it up, Russell's team mates made 22 All-NBA appearances in his 13 year long career, Wilt's made 8 in a 14 year long career (not a single one until he joined the 76ers)
>>68177715
>Wilt
>Lanklet
Wilt Chamberlain:
Height: 7-1.06 (6-11.5 age 17, 7-1.06 age 23)
Wingspan: 7-8
Standing Reach: 9-6 (No adjustment needed - played in Chuck Taylors)
Hand Length: 9.5"
Hand Spread: 11.5"
Playing Weight:
225lbs - Kansas
230lbs - Globetrotters (signing on)
249lbs - Globetrotters (several weeks before leaving, evidently put on a lot of weight that year, lead to rookie list weight of 250lbs)
258lbs - Kutchers game just days prior to rookie debut
265lbs - 3rd season
275lbs - 4th season (list weight from there on out)
292lbs - 5th season
310lbs - late career
320lbs - maximum
Maximum Vertical Reach: 12"9
Shaquille O'Neal:
Height: 7-0.88 (At age 21, 7-0.63 NBA draft measurement 1, 7-0.88 draft measurement 2)
Wingspan: 7-7
Standing Reach: 9-4 (1 inch shoe adjusted)
Hand Length: 11"
Hand Spread: 9"
Playing Weight:
280 - Freshman LSU Season
285 - Sophomore LSU Season
294 - Final LSU Season
301 - 1992 draft measurement 1
303 - 1992 draft measurement 2
315 - early career
325 - early-mid career
350 - mid-late career
Maximum Vertical Reach: 12"5
Wilt gives up 30 pounds to Shaq but Wilt is still fast and strong as fuck.
Combine that with his reach and vertical he can defend Shaq straight up.
Wilt was a physical specimen and the most athletic person to play in the NBA.
Pic related for comparisons sake.
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Jordan
Curry
Kareem
McHale
Rodman
Petrovic
Isaiah
My 10 beats your 10 10/10 in 7
>>68176514
>lebron
>top 10
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Bird
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Lord Nowitzki
7. D Wade
8. Steph Curry
9. John Stockton
10. Kevin Durant (once he gets away from the albatross known as Westbrick)
>>68168790
>When all the real centers retired*
>>68177715
That's a poor argument though.
Modern training programs do little (and by little I mean nothing) to your actual body structure.
Some of the best athletes like Bo played long before modern training programs, and some of the highest flyers in NBA history the same ('Nique, MJ, Spudd, David Thompson).
Wilt also wasn't exactly deprived of working conditions. He even worked out with Gov. Arnold.
And also Shaq entered the league pretty much just before advanced training regments were implemented league-wide, and was too lazy anyway to adopt them.
>>68177820
From what can be assessed from historical records Bill would have benefitted much more from defensive stat gathering. And I mean a LOT. Also Wilt had this stupid mentality where he'd play for the stats, meaning that because blks and stls weren't counted he didn't give a shit basically, which points to what's part of his bigger problem. Like his insane no foul-outs record.
>>68177834
Bill Simmons: The Book of Basketball
Chapter: Bill,then Wilt
A whole chapter explaining in detail why Bill gets hugely disrespected on the regular because dumb idiots just look at their stats and assume Bill just had a better team and Wilt suffered from poor teams.
>>68170043
wilt and lebron have the same number of rings tho
>>68179158
>And I mean a LOT. Also Wilt had this stupid mentality where he'd play for the stats, meaning that because blks and stls weren't counted he didn't give a shit basically, which points to what's part of his bigger problem. Like his insane no foul-outs record.
Believing this propaganda
>Bill Simmons: The Book of Basketball
Couldn't have gotten it from a more biased source.
Simmons is a Celtic homer. He wrote that with predetermined conclusions.
This refutes Simmon's argument that Wilt and Bill's teams were close in terms of supporting cast.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=4229
>>68179420
>playing for the stats
what stupid bullshit. Wilt played his ass off and that's why he got the most points, blocks and rebounds, he simply didn't have Cousy and Auerbach and Havlicek
>>68165484
>lebron not #1
you tried
>>68179158
Rick Barry on Wilt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo
>>68179420
Oh, don't worry. I'm a huge Simmons fan, but everyone knows his colors. Everyone also knows he's not exactly the best basketball mind.
The foul-out thing is completely true as far as I know. Do you have evidence or sources that refute it?
That link by the way, the way they try to prove that Bill's teams were always much better, is dodgy at best. It's much safer to make assumptions on the players quality by all-star appearences or by contemporarie's testamonies then by some weird stat calculation that probably isn't even well suited to be implemented in the context of the league in the 60's. My opinion at least.
>>68179471
Then why did he loose on the lakers against Bill? He had a clearly better team then and Bill and co were on their last legs. Everone thought of them as underdogs.
>>68179608
I mostly agree with him.
I won't deny that Wilt was tremendous athlete and a great fucking player. How could I? The man was a freaking titan.
I have a problem with some of the things he says though. For example, when he (and other people) say stuff like "Wilt was a better player but Bill had a bigger impact on a team to make them win" what does that exactly mean? That's a very wishy-washy way to go about it. Isn't winning the end-goal of basketball? If so, isn't the guy who can make your team more successful by definition the better player? That's actually sort of the fun of sports. If the biggest, baddest cat always won there'd be no point. Look at Larry, he was remarkably unathletic and yet he instilled fear in his opponents and commanded the league in his prime along with magic.
Yes, Wilt was bigger and stronger, grab yourself a cookie. Bill just did what it took to win, and has the record to prove it.
>>68180068
>Isn't winning the end-goal of basketball? If so, isn't the guy who can make your team more successful by definition the better player? That's actually sort of the fun of sports. If the biggest, baddest cat always won there'd be no point. Look at Larry, he was remarkably unathletic and yet he instilled fear in his opponents and commanded the league in his prime along with magic.
Well said anon.
1.Hakeem
2.Johnson
3.Kareem
4.Jordan
5.Bird
6.Russel
7.Wilt
8.Erving
9.Robertson
10.Lebron
>>68169371
Bird makes the top 10 greatest players ever easily but Chamberlain, who also makes the top 10 list, presents a very strong case why he should be ranked above Bird.
Chamberlain is perhaps the most dominant player in NBA history and had it not been for Bill Russell and his overall-stronger-Celtics teams, Chamberlain likely would have won quite a few more championships than he did.
The NBA changed its rules to account for Chamberlain's dominance. The widening of the paint and the three second rule. Of course, there is also Chamberlain's 100-point game, his 55-rebound game, his 50-points per game average for a season, his 27-rebounds per game average for a season, etc.
Statistically, no NBA player has even been as dominant as Chamberlain.
>>68180401
>Chamberlain is perhaps the most dominant player in NBA history and had it not been for Bill Russell and his overall-stronger-Celtics teams, Chamberlain likely would have won quite a few more championships than he did.
If Magic didn't play Larry would probably have 8 rings and possibly be the undisputed GOAT.
And about the stats records, yes, they are very impressive, but you MUST take into account the era he played in. Not doing so is incredibly desingenuous.
>>68177441
Olajuwon really only had one injury and that was when Bill Cartwright's elbow shattered Olajuwon's eye socket. Other than that one injury, Olajuwon was rock-solid sturdy.
By your definition of injuries, Michael Jordan would be considered injury-prone for missing most of his second or third season with a broken foot.
>>68165586
>malaysia
Stop t with this wilt Oscar and bill were goat meme here were no box scores back then, the nba literally made up all those stats for the sake of muh heritage
>>68180583
Wilt also scored 20,000 times. ;)
>people actually rate players from before the 80s
>>68177471
Pls answer
>>68165484
As in most dominant during their era so far ahead
1. Bill Russell
2. Michael Jordan
3. Wilt
4. Magic
5. Kareem
6. Oscar
7. Shaq
8. Irving
9. Bird (I'm white but come on)
10. Kobe
Most skilled
1. Jordan
2. Shaq
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bill
6. Oscar
7. Erving
8. Wilt
9. Bird
10. Curry
>>68165484
>Wilt "Muh DOMINANT but carried to his only two rings at the end of his career in the weakest NBA era" Chamberlain
>any higher than 8, and head of the guy that cucked him out of all those rings
>No Hakeem
>Dr. "Meme" J
literally, casual: the list.
>>68177258
>On a stacked team
And what fucking NBA great wasn't? That's the nature of the NBA. It's a shitty argument.
>>68181316
Wilt is the most skilled big man to ever play the game.
"Shaquille didn't have quite the same athleticism and skill that Wilt had," said Jackson. "He had the bounce and he had the speed, but he didn't have the endurance."
>>68166280
>bantzland suddenly can't take a joke
>>68181316
>Most Skilled
>2. Shaq
fouling to get position down low and doing slow spin moves that required elbows (admitted by Shaq himself) to be effective moves, is not skilled. You are basically saying Dwight Howard is/was skilled.
>5. Bill
He was 100 percent a hustle player, the best hustle player of all time. Hustle is not a skill, if it is then Rodman is #1 on this list.
I would put Kidd or Nash or Durant instead of them, just definitely not these two.
>>68165484
>Wilt at #2
Automatically a shit list
>>68183199
>Great shot blocker
>Great passer
>Great touch
>Unskilled
He's not the most skilled player even in his era, but he wasn't unskilled either and certainly not just a hustle player.
https://youtu.be/N6j0sui4574
Players in the 60s having any skill kek
patrician list coming through
1. MJ
2. Hakeem
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. LeBron
7. Bird
8. Wilt
9. Shaq
10. Oscar
bill russell is great but very overrated. guy had absolutely 0 offensive skill and shot sub 50% despite being one of two players in the league who could play above the rim.
>>68184185
Players from the 60s ever being good kek
Not bad until 7. Hakeem was better than Shaq.
>>68184104
Pretty good game tbqh desu
>>68184104
nice seeing pure basketball before the 3pt line and fuckhead chuckers ruined everything
>>68184185
You have to try to be this wrong.
Firstly, Bill was actually pretty good on offense, he just wasn't asked to be the weight carrier on that part of the court because his whole team relied on him giving 100% on D. When needed though, large portions of the offense were run through him, thanks to his pretty good passing skills and nice finishing touch. He was also an athletic freak for the time and could finish as well as anyone on transition.
The Fg% is completely irrelevant in this case. We are talking about an era where shooting mid 30's was ok and 20+% wasn't a rarity.
1. Michael Jordan
2. Steph Curry
3. Klay Thompson
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Tim Duncan
6. Andre Iguodala
7. >Shaw
8. Kobr
9. Andre Wiggins
10. Tony Barker
.
.
.
20005. LeBitch Quitter
>>68166341
>Having wilt in there and not shaq
Fuck you all
>>68168925
>Stats are all that matter
No
>>68165484
Daily reminder Tracy McGrady is objectively the 2nd best offensive player of all time after MJ
>>68168377
>>68169827
Well... T mac is in there so it can't be real
>>68192455
If we're counting flashes is the pan of greatness then ultra prime >Shaw was the greatest player of all time. Greatness must be sustained to count. Surely you don't think Steph Curry is better than Jordan just because Curry's 3 best seasons are better than Jordan's best...
you can tell when somebody knows nothing about basketball when they put wilt and russell in their top 10
>Bill Russell
>Wilt Chamberlain
These players were pretty awful and took advantage of a time when basketball was in its infancy. Watching games from the 60's is hilarious.
>>68165484
>1. Curry
>2. Curry
>3. Curry
>4. Curry
>5. Curry
>6. Curry
>7. Curry
>8. Curry
>9. Curry
>10. Curry
Fixed!!!
>>68192489
>Greatness must be sustained to count.
>2 seasons highest scorer
>PPG went up every season in playoffs
1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Big O
4. LeBron
5. Magic
6. Timmy D
7. Bird
8. The Big Aristotle
9. Kobe
10. Kareem
Should be considered tier
Hakeem, Hot Karl, Stockton, the logo, dr. J
Offensive when mentioned tier
Curry, Klay, Draymond, T Mac, Marbury, Iverson
>>68184444
They literally changed the rule because Shaq was so dominant retard...
>>68192551
what rule??
>>68192567
This new...
Wew
E
W
>>68192489
He already has 2MVP and 2titles back 2 back.
Who is going to stop him?
Not LeBeta.
Durcant and Westbrick is probably going to bolt from OKC.
Spurs is old.
With his style of playing, he can continue bombing for 3pt right till his late 30s. Curry will continue dominating the NBA for the foreseeable future. LeBeta will end up being 2-10 and I expect Curry to rack up at least 6titles. Klay and Apemond all have long term contract.
>>68184104
The players back then were just awful. Delusional old guys think their game was better.
>>68192575
the one where u cant be overweight?>
If your list has Bill Russell before Wilt and Kareem and Kareem isn't in the top 3 then you should kill yourself.
>>68184104
Oh my God it's like a whole game of Kevin Loves
the old-timey legends are overrated as fuck. nobody knew how to play back then. go watch some 60s lakers/celtics finals, it's high school level at best.
>there are people who unironically don't put Jordan first
>>68192489
Curry's 3 best seasons are way far from MJ's best seasons
>>68192850
Yeah but curry offensively is much better than jordan
>>68192883
That's debatable to say the least
1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Julius Erving
99999. LeBeta Games
>>68165620
People who don't put Kobe in their top 10 are salty from the recency bias of watching him whoop their favorite team.
>>68192466
>Cham
the 2000's top 10 featuring MJ and Magic so people think it's legit
>>68165484
mfw shaq but no curry
this is a thinly disguised curry-hate thread.
y u so gelatinous?
>>68192489
Curry hasn't had a single season better than MJ's best.
>>68192510
I get what you are saying but can you really blame a player for being born at the wrong time? Sure, that era didn't have any other players like them but they WERE from that era. They beat who was there.
Are we just supposed to completely dismiss them?
>>68192576
Stop being delusional.
He still hasn't won a single FMVP and is entirely possible he won't win this year either.
Also he just has 2 rings, and he's already 28, so pretty much at his peak. Also you are wrong about him aging well. He won't. His offensive game relies a lot on quickness and drible moves to get his shot off, which he often shoots off-balance. There's also the fact that he wasn't very durable when he was 21, how durable you think he'll be at 31+?
He'll always be at least a goat spot up shooter, but that hardly makes him a superstar. Or even a star. If anything I think he's not particularly suited to play spot-up because he seems to work off amazing hot streaks and volume shooting, so being a designated spot-up might actually keep him too cold (which in Curry's case is probably still 35%+).
Anyway, you are grossly overestimating him.
>>68192883
No
>>68192926
Nah, he is right there though. I'd probably put him at 11
And I'm a Lakers fan
>>68192951
If curry continues at this level, he will rise. He hasn't sustained his success long enough to be top 10
>>68174313
Exactly
>>68165484
She NEEDS yo get BLACKED asap
>>68166341
>iverson
BTFO
>>68196019
Exactly what?
>>68192551
They literally made the lane wider (from 12 feet to 16 feet) in 64 because Wilt was so dominant.
Undisputed top 5 list per position:
PG:
1. Magic
2. Oscar
3. Zeke
4. Kidd
5. Stockton
SG:
1. Jordan
2. Kobr
3. Wade
4. Drexler
5. West
SF:
1. Bird
2. Lebron
3. Dr. J
4. Pippen
5. Havlicek
PF:
1. Duncan* (should really be a center)
2. Dirk
3. Barkley
4. Malone
5. KG
C:
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Hakeem
4. Shaw
5. Russell
y'all are sleeping on Moses Malone, possibly the greatest rebounder of all time
>>68192504
wilt's like a 7 footer version of mj who can block shots like mutombo and rebound like rodman.
he would transcend any era he played in. a 7 footer with that kind of grace and power could be coached into dominance in any era you fucking retard
>>68196482
Wilt is just a height baby.. Kareem is the second best player overall, regardless of position.
>>68198293
kareem is taller than wilt and literally relied upon a shot that's pure my height vs your height aka the sky hook to score
I'd be more inclined to put Wilt over Russel if Wilt had ever beaten Russel once in the playoffs
>>68198667
He did in 1967. And not only beat him, the Celtics got blown the fuck out.
Any top 10 list with Russell in, Big O in, LeBron out of top 5, Timmy before Shaq or Wilkins is automatically a meme btw
>people acting like Curry is an historic phenomena
Other than his 3 pointers, nothing we haven't seen before
There have been way better individual seasons than his
>>68196482
excellent list but
PG:
1./ 2. Stockton/Zeke
3. Magic
SG:
1. Jordan
2. Kobr
3. West
SF:
1. Bird
2. Pip
3. Dr. J
PF:
1. Malone
2. Barkley
3. Timmy
C:
1. Kareem (is really an asshole)
2. Hakeem
3. Shaq
>>68196519
>rebounds
grabs own miss. over and over again.
>>68165749
>Shaq was much better than Hakeem
Past your bedtime
>>68199387
>2 seasons
bump for more shitflinging
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. LeBron
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Shaq
8. Karl Malone
9. Bird
10. Dr.J
>>68165484
That's a nice try but show me your tits, Pam, and I'll pretend I agree.
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Olajuwon
9. Lebron
After that it doesn't really matter.
>>68171598
>Le 8 team league man
>>68170392
>Top 10 WWE wrestlers ever
1. Stone Cold
2. The Rock
3. John Cena
4. Hulk Hogan
5. Ric Flair
6. The Undertaker
7. Shawn Micheals
8. Triple H
9. Mick Foley
10. Randy Orton
>9001. Bret Hart
>>68165484
Shaq may be the most overrated player of all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Hakeem Olajuwon
7. Bill Russell
8. Tim Duncan
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Kobe Bryant
Anyone out of 1, 2 and 3 has a legitimate claim at the #1 spot. Also, the guys at 4, 5 and 6 could be reshuffled in any order.
Bill Russell is on this list purely on the virtue of being the greatest defender and the second greatest rim protector the game has ever seen, I don't buy into the 11 rings shit because there were literally 8 teams when he played. Still immensely impressive, but still not as mindblowing as it would be today.
Towards the end, it gets pretty sloppy. There's like another 5 guys not named who have a legit chance at the 8, 9 and 10 spots and yes Shaquille O'Neal is one of them.
However, you guys really need to go back and watch actual film of Wilt playing if you think there's even close to a comparison to Shaq to be had there. Wilt blows him out of the water in every way. He was more skilled (not hard lol), stronger, a much better defender and shot blocker, faster, smarter, MORE DOMINANT despite what Shaq will say if you ask him... Wilt may have been one of history's greatest athletes. LeBron has a claim at that too, but god damn Wilt could have done curling and been elite at it, he was just that good. Absolutely a top 3 player all time, and I am happy to defend my stance on that if anyone has any questions.
>>68216734
>>>/asp/
and also
>Flair
>Orton
>>68166341
pre 1980's nba doesn't cont
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Tim Duncan
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Bill Russell
10. Lebron James
Next 5 in no order: Kobr, KG, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, David Robinson
>>68217278
KG, really? I feel like there's a bunch of guys who would get into that group before him
>>68217365
Yeah (he'd definitely be closer to 15 than 11 though), KG was a fucking monster. I think he'd have been a top 10 contender had he had better teams in his T-Wolves days and managed to put together a dominant post season run.
>>68217612
I actually see KG as a better Kevin Love, which is extra funny cos their narrative is insanely similar (left the garbage T-Wolves to put up siginificantly worse numbers on a powerhouse Eastern team). I actually think people would rank him lower if he had talent surrounding him his whole career. Obviously he's much better than Love (at least KG managed to drag the Wolves to the playoffs before getting pounded) but I think his numbers were significantly padded.
Like, if you're gonna put KG in there, you absolutely have have HAVE to have Dirk as well. And hell, probably Chuck as well; I'd say both rank higher than him on the all-time PF list. Just off the top of my head,
1. Timmy
2. Malone
3. Dirk
4. Chuck
5. McHale
6. Elvin Hayes
7. Garnett
Hell you could throw Bob Pettit in there as well, but I personally think his enormous numbers are inflated because of his era. Still though, I'd quite possibly rank him over KG.
>wilt chamberlain
>bill russell
You dont know shit if you consider them top 10 players
>>68165484
That's a pretty good list senpai.
>>68198293
Wilt is also one of the two people who blocked the skyhook.
>>68196482
>PG
1.Magic
2. Oscar
3. Stockton
4. Zeke
5. Kidd
>SG
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Pistol Pete (eternally forgotten)
5. Wade
>SF
1. Bird
2. LBJ
3. Dr. J
4. Baylor
5. Havlicek
5.5 Pippen
>PF
1. Duncan (agree he basically plays C)
2. Malone
3. Dirk
4. Chuck
5. McHale or Hayes (depending on if you prefer actual stats v skill+potential)
>C
1. Wilt
2. Kareem
3. Hakeem
4. Russell
5. Shaq
Pretty good list overall IMO, got mainly the right players except I'd disagree with the order on some. Only things that jump out are Stockton so low (understandable, an argument can be made) and Wade so high (very overrated player IMO, career marred by injury) and KG being on the list
>>68217688
I consider KG to be considerably better than Dirk and slightly better than Chuck
>>68217898
>considerably better than Dirk
I'd love to hear that argument, considering Dirk carried his team to a ring against LeBron while KG couldn't get out of the 1st round, Dirk is putting up 3 times as many points than KG was and Dirk has schooled KG on just about every occasion where they've met. Outside of defense (Dirk is still an above average defender) and rebounding (Dirk is still a damn good rebounder) there's nowhere where KG really outshines Dirk.
>>68217898
I'd say their playoff stats show the disparity between them the best. Obviously playoffs aren't everything, but it's where things matter most and KG comes up short pretty hard.
https://gyazo.com/3c72f2217cfa7c3d98c6261a93b8bd74
>>68217972
>rebounding
>passing
>defense
KG was significantly better at all of those. Dirk was just a better scorer (and had more longevity). Dirk's play off stats are better because he actually had decent teams in his prime and played most of his play off games during his peak age while over 2/3rds of Garnett's play off games took place after he had turned 30.
His play off averages at Minnesota are 23/13/5 along with DPoY tier defense.
>>68218068
>at Minnesota
Pretty easy to have beast stats when you're the only player on your team, see the Kevin Love comparison. I'd also say it's VERY important to highlight that the good Mavericks teams were good in huge part because of what Nowitzki brought to the table. Either way, so much of this comes down to KG being able to pad stats on his team. Yes he was a better passer than Dirk - however, you're obviously going to get more assists when you're handling the ball that much, so the separation isn't that huge. Yes he was a better rebounder - but Dirk's recent numbers betray the fact that he got some exceptional rebounding numbers despite being much less athletic than KG and KG generally being the guy set up to get the board. Defense I'll give you, Big Ticket locked cunts down.
>>68218068
However, you then get into Dirk's positives. Firstly, never underrate scoring, it's something the bball world has collectively started to do: the number one sought after and also most difficult skill in basketball is getting the ball into the basket. Scoring more points than the other team is what wins you the game. Dirk wasn't "just" a better scorer, he was a better scorer which is worth more than both the rebounding and passing gap combined, plus probably the defense gap considering Dirk could handle his man all the way up until last year.
Then there's what Dirk gives you as a shooter. KG had range, but he wasn't knockdown like Dirk is and was. One of the first major floor-spreaders, gave the Mavs a completely different offensive look. Once the paint is clearer because a big man HAS to be outside guarding the 7ftr at the three point line, your entire team gets better.
Lastly, there's not many stats for this but Dirk has a claim at being the most clutch player in NBA history. Straight up, he never gets mentioned in that discussion but his fgm/fga for shots in the clutch and gamewinner beats out most of the other all-time clutch greats, including dudes like Kobe, Wade, Bird and MJ. You can get Dirk a catch and shoot 3, a post fadeaway, a drive at the hoop or free throws (dude shoots like 90%) and he's more likely than not getting you the points. Dirk is criminally underrated for being so quiet and non-highlight, especially when there was another quiet guy at his position who already took the crown of "best pf despite not being too noticeable"
>>68180068
>I'm a huge Simmons fan
>>68192538
>mentioning Stockton but not Thomas
Goat defensive lineup:
Payton
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Hakeem
(Considered bill but I never watched him personally so I'll go with what I know)
Goat offensive lineup
Magic
Jordan
Bird
Malone
Kareem
Goat dunker
Westbrook
Carter
Wilkins
Kemp
Robinson
Goat 3 shooters
Curry
Miller
Bird
Nowitzki
Sabonis
Goat white team
Stockton
West
Bird
McHale
Walton
>>68180068
Uhhhhh, Bird being unathletic doesn't make him a bad basketball player. While he wasn't athletic he WAS incredibly skilled, and he definitely was the biggest baddest cat because of it. People were calling Larry the GOAT when he played. Barry definitely didn't put that well because he didn't want to disrespect Bill; when you're talking about those two, you don't wanna tread on anyone's toes. So I'll say it for him: put Wilt on Bill's team, they get 9, 10, 11 or more rings as well. Wilt could rebound as well as/better than Bill, is statistically the greatest scorer of all time and could rim protect almost as well as him, and even wasn't THAT far off in terms of general defense because it's a lot harder to distinguish good defenders when it gets to the level Russell was playing at. His IQ doesn't match Bill's but the fact that he's adding 30ppg makes up for that I'd say.
