What is the worst trade in sports history?
Shaq to the Heat
Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol
Every move that the Brooklyn Nets have made in the past few years.
>>67814354
babe ruth to the red sox
>trading t mac and vince carter
leafs
Miguel Cabrera
>Kevin Garnett for a bunch of useless shit
>the entire future of the Brooklyn Nets franchise for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry
>Parish and a pick that turned out to be McHale for a bunch of useless shit
>picks that would become Emmitt Smith and Rod Woodson for Herschel Walker
>Herschel Walker trade
babe ruth to the bankees
Browns to Baltimore for a new stadium and an expansion team
Zlatan for Etoo plus 46m €
A.J Pierzynski from the twins to the Giants for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and (much less importantly) Boof Bonser, for Pierzynski to play half a season like shit and leave
It's definitely up there anyways
Gretzky to the Kings.
>>67814552
Wasn't a trade. They just bought him
Raiders trading Jon Gruden to the Bucs. Literally and directly gave away a Superb Owl
Ruth for chimp change
ARRRRRR
GEEEEEEEE
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ruth
Gretzky
>>67814516
This is probably the worst trade of all time tbqh
>>67814590
I'd say Madrid selling Eto'o to Barcelona was a bigger flop, it played a big part in Barcelona's resurgence in the late 00s
>>67814400
how many first rounders did the celtics get for those washed up bums? I see they get the #3 pick this year.
>>67815870
2014, 2016 and 2018 first rounders + the option to swap 2017 first rounders
Xabi Alonso for Toni "The Genius" Kroos, still laughing about it.
Tommy Forecast to Southampton without a doubt.
When Southampton sold Bale to Spurs, Levy jewed Saints out of the 25% sell-on clause they had on Bale and offered them a 'promising' young goalkeeper from their academy called Tommy Forecast instead. He didn't make a single appearance for Southampton and started playing in the conference and now the 29 year old doesn't even have a club.
They would have pocketed £20m when Bale moved to Madrid if not for Levy's shrewd renegotiations.
Jews. Not even once.
>>67815944
holy shit... so we're talking possible three top 3 picks? I knew that trade was bad when it happened but didn't know it was that severe. I remember a nets fan trying to tell me it was a fair trade. LOL
>>67815837
Madrid didn't sell etoo to Barcelona. They sold him to Mallorca
Honestly? Probably one of the many draft trades done where a franchise traded away their whole net worth for a guy that busts
>>67816033
So far it's been a #17 pick and a #3 pick and the next two will surely be in the top 5 as well because the Nets stink and have no way of improving.
Durant to OKC
Lindros to the Flyers
One of the most unbalanced trades in all of sports for a guy who disappeared during the playoffs
>>67814400
darren woodson, not rod woodson
>>67814392
dumping a guy you know you wont be able to pay isn't the same thing
Carini <-> Cannavaro
Pogba <-> free
Gretzky to LA
It's Herschel Walker and every other answer is wrong.
That literally set up a Cowboys dynasty and completely cucked the competitive Vikings
>>67814559
They then won two superbowls. Sounds like a good deal there
>>67815751
i don't know about worst, but this was definitely the stupidest. both contemporarily and in hindsight
>No one mentions the Kobe trade
Fucking casuals. I'm done with this place
if the rams had a better FO the rg3 trade couldve been walker 2.0
>>67818316
It was because Gruden and Davis were butting heads since Gruden's coaching philosophy was at odds with Davis. So it wasn't a trade thinking 'this is a good deal. It was a means of getting money from another team since he was already going to leave.
The Callaihan was just a full retard who used Gruden's playbook and thought he could pull a Madden against Gruden in the Superbowl where their team was so good at what they did, the other team couldn't stop them even if they knew exactly what they were going to do. Might have worked but Gruden inherited one of the better defenses in the league at the time.
>>67818356
that trade is pretty much why teams rarely trade newly drafted talent anymore.
>>67818389
>better defenses in the league
try one of the greatest defenses of all time.
>>67818408
As long as you don't try to claim they were better than the 85' Bears.
>>67818389
gruden inherited one of the strongest units in football history dude
>>67814516
/thread
>>67818429
does it even matter? once you're in that conversation does it even matter?
>>67818456
Yes, to many teams with a strong defense like to say they were better than the 85' Bears. Just need to make sure that the record is corrected.
>Football: Herschel Walker for a boatload. Cowboys got Rod Woodson and Emmitt Smith and (3 owls). Vikings got cucked again.
>Hockey: Lindros to the Flyers for a boatload.
Lindros was a superstar but was so prone to concussions that he barely got on the ice. He became a talk show punch-line, while Forsberg won the Hart Trophy and Quebec (after moving to Colorado) rode its trade haul to two Lees.
>Basketball: 13th overall pick for Vlade Divic
That 13th overall was Kobe Bryant
>Baseball: Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox trade future baseball god Babe Ruth for $100,000 and a $300,000 loan to finance the No, No, Nanette musical. No, I'm not kidding.
>>67814354
RA DICKEY
>>67818408
Yeah, even as a Panthers fan I have to admit the only reason why Tampa didn't make the 2003 SB was the 2 fluke losses to Carolina and Brad Johnson getting injured. I miss the Bucs being good, desu.
chris paul to the lakers
>>67815976
Wasn't it something like 40M euros for kroos and they just gave xabi alonso as part of the deal anyways? that's a fucking scam and a half
>>67818517
Was going to say this. Dickey isn't garbage, and D'Arnaud isn't the next Johnny Bench, but Syndergaard is the real deal. Imagine if he was with Sanchez and Stroman.
Also, notable for the Blue Jays is the zero return they got out of Halladay. The Marlins deal is a wash because Buehrle was okay and it got them Reyes who was flipped for Tulowitzki, but Hechavarria is a good SS too and Alvarez was a good pitcher.
>>67818429
No. The only defense better than the 85 bears was this year's Broncos.
>>67818787
Please stop
>>67818787
this is the type of kids we have on here, its why the board died
>>67814354
Vlade Divac for Kobe Bryant
cubs trade lou brock to the cardinals
>>67814400
rod woodson?
>>67818861
As an avid football fan, I raise the point that the offenses that the 85 bears faced were not nearly as explosive, nor as potent as offenses in today's game. Also, defense has been castrated by penalties and the ilk. The 85 bears were an amazing defense, but due to the evolution of offenses, the 85 bears would not be nearly as potent in todays game, and could be beaten by spread, quickfire offenses similar to the New England Patriots.
>yes I am a patriots fan, but my point is still valid as you could use any example of a quick passing offense and it would be a team that could potentially beat the 85 bears.
>>67818498
but what i'm saying when you're in the same rareified air it doesn't really matter, you're splitting hairs and both teams won a championship on the back of a GOAT defense
it's like ok we can have a debate or discussion or whatever about who is better if we're autistic but at that level of elite it doesn't even matter anymore, if both teams played each other someone would win 3-0 and that would be that
>>67818516
>that image
fuck this country. i regret graduating or even going to college. what a fucking scam.
>>67818637
i would say the dickey contract is worse than the trade itself, but that only holds if darnaud stays middling
ive never been a fan of trading the farm for a two year merc that might bust anyway, it's fine to dump money on those guys if you have it but don't blow the future on a meme like dickey
>>67818851
>>67818861
People seem to forget that in 1985, very violent tackles that are banned today were still legal at the time and were at the heart of the team's defense. If the 85 bears played today, they'd be penalized on almost every play
>>67819066
They'd still probably win due to not enough players on the opposing team because they'd all be dead.
Pirlo for Guglielminpietro + Seedorf for Coco.
>Inter
all the bruins good players for hot pockets
>>67819066
saddening tbqh familia, how did it get this bad.
>>67819025
Same here lad
>monthly denbts payment is 350 a month
>I pay 500, try to chop denbts down a bit
>check to see how much money I owe after 10 months
>literally more than I started with
How the fuck is that not illegal?
>>67819143
That Kessel trade was such a mess that I was going to list it instead of the Lindros trade but it would just confuse people the way it all worked out
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>>67814354
Bale for 91 million
>>67819242
That was a bad move, but it isn't the worst.
>>67819166
>what is interest
>>67818959
>jew
>pats fan
nothing to see here.
Not really a trade but Liverpool paid £40 million for Andy Carroll, shocking tbqh.
>>67819405
Didn't real madrid pay 40 million for illaramendi at some point?
>>67819354
everyone understand interest fuckboy.
the problem with student loans is the generation before ours generally didn't go to college and don't understand what the fuck they're co-signing or releasing for, they just want their kid to go to college. and the average 18 year old kid doesn't understand the gravity of student loan debt at all. people are deferring and accruing interest on a fucking home loan they agreed to when they are barely a legal adult. it's absolutely irresponsible and there were next to zero disclosures when i signed my fucking life away at 18 years old for a diluted and basically worthless college degree.
i'm right wing as fuck don't get me wrong but student loan debt is absolutely one of the core problems in this country and if i had ANY idea how much it would affect my life i never would have gone to school. never.
you can't even get rid of them via bankruptcy ffs. it's asinine.
>>67819144
>Patriots "Fan"
>Asking how it got this bad
Your Golden Boy kept complaining that he was going to get hurt, that's how.
>>67819461
Are you attempting to tell me that it had nothing to do with the league being brought into court by outsiders regarding the health of players in terms of their brains?
>Le Trade
>>67816267
lol wut
Steven Adams/enes Kanter for harden
Trading two future super stars for a subpar second line statwhore
>>67819196
How exactly was it that bad of a trade?
Kessel is better than Seguin and Hamilton, and Jared Knight is a literal who.
Boston lost out on a top 5 scorer in the league and couldnt even keep the assets they got in return
In the end Toronto won that trade as Boston has shit all to show for it now.
Bynum trade
Vikings-Cowboys trade in the early 90s
>>67816267
I wonder if Durant liked Seattle?
>>67819457
Blame the government who decided to give schools a blank check with fafsa
>>67819457
you're a fucking entitled moron. degrees are not useless, eat a plate of shit
>>67819757
oh i do. and i blame them for shoving grant (read: taxpayer) money down every 2.3 GPA high school kid's throat to make them go to college and dilute the value of a college degree.
it's a fucking death spiral. more kids go to college, they accumulate more debt, they get a worthless degree, they can't pay their debt because the job they end up with they didn't even need a degree for, they end up getting garnished or put on a payment plan that might as well be a permanent monthly payment because that payment isn't enough to positively amortize the loan and the interest accrued every year is higher than the payments made every year.
it is literally 100% the government's fault for thinking it would be a good idea to send every retard that can pass a state standardized test to college.
Does Soccer preform trades?
>>67819883
unless you have a BS, the likelihood of you having a career specific to your degree is not high.
even some BS majors are not refilling jobs as much as they used to.
>>67819927
our system is fucked too but nowhere near the scale of the US. If you aren't earning over a certain amount you just don't pay it back, interest is capped at inflation and the debt is owed to the government instead of an ultra kike who'll bankrupt you
>>67820062
it'll get fixed here eventually, the problem is my generation was pretty much the first one that sent kids to school in masses, so we're reaping the rewards of the neo-con "no child left behind" machine put in by clinton and bush.
the bigger problem is, again, no one here realizes what the actual problem is and instead is chirping bernie sanders' "make it all free" bullshit, which would make the entire situation infinitely worse.
sometime in the last 20 years people seemed to generally get really fucking stupid out of nowhere. now they're starting to breed so it'll only get worse.
>>67820137
>no child left behind
Good in principle, bad in practice, just like so many other pieces of American legislation
Leafs trading their first rounder that eventually became Scott Niedermayer for Tom fucking Kurvers
>>67820137
hypothetically if secondary education was made free in america what would happen to those who currently are in debt?
i'm assuming that would not be forgiven?
>Barcelona gave up Eto and 45 Million Euros for Ibrahimovic
The one time where Inter wasn't the one getting memed on
>>67820433
>free
It would be forgiven but then you're paying higher taxes so you're still in the same boat
>>67819883
Seriously tell me how good you think your job prospects are with a degree that isn't STEM. I'll wait
>>67818516
If the lakers could have traded for any number pick above the 13th pick they would've picked him then.
That reddit pick is cancer fuck paying for a class like that
>>67819883
If only you knew, lol
>>67819125
inter is the champion of giving away talent. You can add Roberto Carlos and Bonucci to that list.
>>67820317
every piece of socialist legislation is always good in principle and bad in practice
there will always be those who take advantage of assistance when they don't need it, and those who do not hold up their end of the bargain and take the free lunch off the back of the taxpayer that trusted them.
>>67819954
>>67820537
>>67820788
fucknuts, i've been working without a degree for nine years. there is absolutely jack shit down here, so please, tell me how easy and nice life can be without a degree
>>67820957
You should have learned trade fucknut
>>67814384
>a fucking retard thinks the raptors traded t-mac
>103 posts
>none of them correct
>>67814516
By a mile.
the angels paying the rangers to take back josh hamilton
>>67820957
ive never had a job that required a degree explicitly. yeah it helps some but that's an unquantifiable thing and employers are getting wise that a college degree doesn't guarantee the candidate has his shit together anymore.
for instance now im a mortgage loan originator. all i need to do this are federal and state certifications and i make $80k.
my political science and prelaw double degree is collecting dust in a fucking moving box in my closet from back when my girlfriend and i moved into our house.
ask me why i didn't go to law school.
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>>67814354
some bad MLB ones in recent memory
>pierzynski for liriano and joe nathan
>kinsler for prince straight up
>dickey, thole, and +1 for syndergaard, travis d'arnaud et al
check back in 5 years on the shelby miller trade which has the potential to be one of the worst ever.
>>67819166
>>67819354
How high is the interest rate? And what is the minimum payment?
I'm quite curious, your student loans seem like normal loans rather than government subsidized programs.
>>67821025
it's archaic as fuck and student loans are one of the only mass loan programs that are still allowed to do it.
in some cases it's necessary, no one likes to get their hands dirty and go to a straight up shark for cash but if you're in a bind you don't have a choice and you take a hard money negatively amortizing loan to get you through, and you bite the bullet for a few years afterwards.
student loans are done the same way except millions of retard kids who don't understand the first fucking thing about money and liability are signing off on them every year thinking it's paving the way to a lucrative career. then they graduate and it doesn't take long for that "oh shit" moment.
maybe they get away with it because there isn't any collateral required, or because the government doesn't guarantee them, or both, i don't know. either way it's a fucking farce.
>>67821158
why didn't you go to law school?
>>67821025
Things purchased with credit cards can be repossessed. You can reposess some retards gender studies education. Student loans have no collateral so guess what, you have higher interest
>>67818516
>$100,000 and a $300,000 loan
tbf that was about an entire team's salary for a season back then, plus the loan
so I guess that would be kind of like selling a great player now for a couple hundred million plus a half billion dollar loan for a new stadium or something
>>67821203
there are a myriad of options and very few of them are fully subsidized. most people get on a parent plus loan which partners with a bank, so the answer to your question is yes they are basically normal loans. the government supplements with grants, which are kind of like gifts, but they are comparatively small and they're not really gifts since they're taxpayer funded.
>>67821250
also soccer still sells players like that all the time and the biggest ones are only about $100M
>>67821227
that was a rhetorical question, obviously i can't afford it
>>67821280
>yes they are basically normal loans
There must have been some insane shilling campaign if they've come to be considered something else altogether to the point where parents think is fine to burden an 18yo kid with them.
I mean Jesus Christ, we don't have them here because no one needs a loan for our uni costs, but I know scandis have them and they're no interest. Does interest accrue even during the college years (where I would think you'd not be expected to be able to make payments)?
>>67821267
>3.25 percent
Holy shit. My *house* loan has an effective interest rate of 1.33%, and they ask kids to take loans for that much for a shitty college degree?
>>67821397
Not everyone in the us takes out loans to pay for college only the retards do that. For that matter, not everyone in the us even wants to go to college. I went to trade school and laugh at all the college cucks working at starbucks while I make $40 an hour to sit on my ass until.something breaks. And these tards want to raise my taxes s so they can get their shitty degree for free? Fuck them
>>67821397
no, interest doesn't accrue until after you graduate. you can defer them but they accrue interest during that time.
shit hit the fan from like 2009-2013 because kids were graduating into no jobs or shit jobs because of oversaturation. they panicked because banks were getting shafted by these kids declaring bankruptcy so the government legislated that student loans can't be discharged via bankruptcy.
again the parents most of the time have no experience with college and they just want their kid to go because they think it's building a better future for them. they think they're doing what's best and the kid will graduate into a good job and be able to handle the payments relatively easily. i don't blame them.
>graduating this week
>have debt
>no job or job prospects
kill me
>>67821488
i went to college and i envy you. seriously.
i wish i had the knowledge or the counseling from someone when i was decided what to do after high school. no one in my family did anything worthwhile after high school so i just had my own decisions to make.
if i could go back and do it over again i would.
tl;dr consider me a disillusioned graduate who knows i got scammed like millions of others but am not expecting others to pay for my dumbass decision.
>>67818851
>>67818861
>>67819066
You can't blame the defense for playing within the rules. Every other team was allowed to do what they did. The bears just did it best.
And the broncos defense was good this year, but holy shit. How many paint chip& bleach cocktails did you negligent step father make you drink? They are not better than the bears or buccaneers. Prob not even better than Seattle's during their owl appearances
>>67821550
>no, interest doesn't accrue until after you graduate
it does for non government ones
>>67821591
same
I'm a fucking social retard too, no idea what the fuck I'm going to do with this degree if I can't even schedule an interview without getting fucking anxiety attacks.
my parents spent so much of their savings on this shit for me and I'm still in debt now, fucking kill me
>>67819124
This because how players are made of glass these days.
Brady wouldn't be able to take one of the hits hipple had to endure.
It has to be Herschel Walker. I don't even follow handegg and I know about it.
>>67814371
Marc Gasol for Pau Gasol you retard
>>67821553
>graduated last year
>offered job during the final internship before graduating
>full (private) scholarship covered all uni expenses
On the down side the living costs increase from moving to the city where the uni I got a scholarship at is was literally greater than the cost of uni in my hometown. Then again I most certainly would not have gotten a job before graduating if I had stayed at home.
>>67821675
>never did an internship
>never joined any organizations
>didn't make any connections
>got shit grades
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Andrew Bynum
Literally the trade that tossed the match onto the garbage pile that is the 76ers
>>67821696
In your defense, internships and connections are LITERALLY the whole difference between good and normal universities. I got offered that intership because of where I studied. I got good grades because otherwise I could kiss my scholarship goodbye. I met a shitload of employers because the professors were all buddies with them. I started in my hometown's uni, and the lessons were just as good, the only differences were the on the job experiences available (big corps, banks and trust funds vs local businesses) and the active placement effort the university made on our behalf.
I didn't join any organization either btw, but I suppose it works differently in your country if you feel like it mattered for you.
>>67814590
This
>>67814376
You mean Babe Ruth FROM the Red Sox TO the Yankees?
It has to be Gretzky
If you're a non-hockeyfag, imagine a team trading the literal GOAT in their respective sport in his prime just because the owner was a greedy fuck who wanted more money and because his fucking wife didn't like the city the team played in.
>>67821762
Literally?
>>67817862
This is a pretty big one. As good as Lindros was before all those concussions, the Avs ended up winning two titles mostly because of what the Flyers gave up for him.
>>67819883
>>67819954
>>67820537
The problem isn't that higher education is bad. It's what education most choose to get is not required or outright irrelevant to most professions. After you get a history/English/other liberal arts degree, you can't teach it until you get even MORE education to be a certified teacher. Most don't want to/can't afford keep going, so the original degree was a complete waste
There are so many trade schools that give a useful skill for a career, but current perception is that only lesser people attend them. Most people would view an English degree from a state university better than being a certified electrician. But which do you think is more likely to earn a living wage and have less educational debt?
Do any high schools feature schools with associates degrees at all? Probably not. But fuck if Arizona state doesn't have a big table at a college fair.
>>67821594
The point is that it's apples and oranges. Who knows well the bucs or broncos could have done being able to play by 85 rules when they were dominant defense when the rules limited much of what they could do.
Marino is a textbook case of how much finesse the 85 bears defense lacked when he threw bombs all day on them in their only loss of that season
>>67819562
Ehhhh, that's a pretty big stretch. It's less an unbalanced trade favoring OKC and more OKC using what they got to turn chicken shit into chicken salad. The actual haul for Harden (Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, and a first round pick) was pretty unimpressive given Harden's importance to OKC at the time. Martin left as a UFA after one year and Lamb just showed flashes of potential before either backsliding or ending up in the doghouse for extended periods of time. That trade didn't pay off until the pick was used on Adams and Lamb (along with Reggie Jackson, who was basically pulling the same shit Harden did) was traded for Kanter and some dead weight by the name of Kyle Singler.
>>67814590
This.
>>67821553
>Graduated last week
>No debt
>Six-figure job
Feels good tbqhf
Everything.
>Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Kerry Huffman, Ron Hextall, Steve Duchesne, Chris Simon, a draft pick, and $15 million for Eric Lindros.
>Lindros is braindead a few seasons after the trade.
>Avs use that trade to win two Stan Lee's.
>The city of Filthidelphia
>>67821917
I get that you can't transplant one team into another era. There are so many variables addition to rules(medicine, training techniques, stadium types, etc) I'm measuring based on how dominant a defense was against the competition they faced.
The never changing guideline for any team is "for the current rules/trend in the league, gather the best talent and scheme possible" And the 85 bears likely accomplished that better than anyone
ryan leaf
>>67822065
what degree and what job???
>>67821865
i never said higher education was bad, bro. you're kind of hitting on a point i'm making though. yeah english/history other BA degrees in social sciences are viewed as crap but that's only now, as in only because everybody defaults to those degrees and as a result there are way too many BA's out there for the tiny job pool that exists.
the government pushing every high school graduate into college is the primary cause of this. every chad or tyrone that graduates with a sociology degree is fucking over the small percentage of people who actually want to study sociology and have a career in the field.
tl;dr 20 years ago ba degrees were held in esteem just as much as bs degrees, now because of dilution they are viewed as crap because the available jobs for those degrees is fucking microscopic compared to the graduates available.
>>67822225
Computer Science, working on fantasy sports
>>67822273
>>67822245
>>67822225
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>>67821675
1 more year left on my economics degree. No clue what I'm going to do after.
someone help me.
>>67822245
I think we said the same thing, but I misinterpreted because internet. There is a place for arts degree, just not in the volume we are currently creating. The current message is "must get bachelor's degree", and not "must get worthwhile education". So everyone goes to Party town state thinking their life will suck if they don't get a4 year degree. maybe 60% choose something they can use later. The rest pick just anything they know they can pass. Believing that just having any degree will get them a job.
>>67822295
Switch to accounting. Sarbanes Oxley act pretty much guaranties there needs to be a fuck ton of accountants at a company. if you go CPA you make really good money. If not, you still will land somewhere and be making higher than average
>>67821821
shut the fuck up it's used as exaggeration you muslim fuckboi
>>67822273
>Mathematics, working in data/sports analytics.
hello my friend.
>>67821807
yeah that was a really lopsided trade.really sent the Brewers into a spiral that year.
>>67822273
>>67822455
Fanduel tech support?
>>67822295
>economics
Bachelor's? Economics is like education: either you go to MA or PhD level, or you go to McD.
>>67822514
Nah.
After I got my Masters I went to work customer analytics for a private company, while toying around with sports analytics in my spare time. I spent the majority of my time in Uni working on baseball, while also tinkering with football, but once analytics gained traction in the NHL, I went into business with two other friends.
In my case I just didn't want to work for anyone, I hate the thought of having a boss and combining math and sports was the surest bet for me.
>>67819354
>tfw I graduated from Uni (yup, med, you guessed it) one year ago and I've already paid my student loan of 1500 euros that I spent on travelling.
I've got a loan for my place though but cant help feeling anything but gratitude for the fact that education is free in here
>>67818401
>>67818356
Kahwai leonard to SA
>>67822550
having a boss does indeed suck.
i've had a boss at every job but two of them were ok, one was field work and i only reported once a week and was pretty much left alone outside of that. problem was that was my first real job and i didn't know how to bullshit productivity properly so i got shitcanned (rightfully).
the second one is the same one i have now, the old report i had was so fucking chill, i would come in at 11 and leave at 3, basically just come in and do whatever work i had then leave. it was fucking tits and our productivity was through the roof because everyone was motivated when they were at work and morale was high as hell.
then they went corporate on us and made a management change for totally unrelated reasons and now we're just another cookie cutter office.
>ctrl + f
>"Moss"
>"Patriots"
>zero results
kill yourselves
>>67822580
It's not free though
>>67822627
Honestly, the only bosses I had that were ever decent were prior to going to University. Once you graduate and get dumped into the professional workforce, it's just clueless MBA after MBA obsessing over spreadsheets and SharePoint.
>>67822666
Now it costs for students outside of EU, you are correct about that
>>67822680
>make a great team the greatest team ever assembled
>make a top 3 qb throw career highs in yds and tds
>FOR A FUCKING 5TH RD PICK
>>67822544
i don't want to be an economist. Everyone says a BA in economics is marketable, i just don't know where to start looking.
>>67822717
4th* but still great/terrible trade
>>67822694
Just because tuition was low, doesn't mean it was free. You'll be paying for that degree in taxes for the rest of your life
Everything the Nets own for the corpses of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett
>>67822741
Well, if you want to stretch it that far out then yes, the extra sents that I pay for example, for food (in taxes) give me the chance for free education and healthcare.
But not having to pay anything for a spot in a university, tuition fees or anything feels pretty good. Gives students with middle or lower class background a chance to study and cash well after working hard.
>>67822837
>free
>>67814354
Babe Ruth for a musical.
>>67822723
>Everyone says a BA in economics is marketable
Everyone is a moron then. Economics is basically pre-MBA or pre-finance. It's economics-RELATED degrees than are marketable (well relatively anyway). Shit like accounting, business and marketing.
>>67822741
>You'll be paying for that degree in taxes for the rest of your life
I don't know about the finn, but at my current income, I'd have to work more than a century to pay through education taxes what you pay for college.
>>67822869
Whether you have studied or not, it doesn't show any differently in taxes.
>not having to take a loan in order to study
>>67822837
>trying to explain common sense things to an obese Donald trump supporting ameriburger
You might as well stop while you're ahead.
>>67821622
this
>>67823447
>being forced to fund tyrone's sociology degree and health care for his fat fuck nigger mother's high blood pressure from eating collard greens and fried chicken for her entire life
I might as well kill myself dead.
Jason Spezza and Zdeno Chara for Alexei Yashin
Ottawa was a good team once you know
>>67823653
>"I dont want to fund other people's degrees"
>Dont need to take a loan, your parents dont need to take a loan, no one pays a dime
>the taxation is so small that it would take 120 years to complete pay for it
>I'd much rather go 100k in debt or let my parents go 100k in debt
Feels good to not have any loans, one less thing to worry about. Life is good tbqhfamalam
>>67823798
it's a fucking principle, finland. i know you're short on shit like that out there.
some of us still want to make our own way, because it's supposed to be hard in the beginning but easier later. hard work and effort are supposed to pay off. we also don't want the government controlling everything under the fucking sun, even if it means that it's a little harder in the beginning. because at least we're still in control of our own future. its an abomination to have to have the government reach deeper into my pocket for not just something i don't agree with, but for the opposite of the principles this country was built upon.
you can't even compare finland and sweden to america, bernie tries to do that but there was a forbes article about this peception that blew it apart because of fundamental societal, cultural, and infrastructural differences. shit that you have there won't work here.
but i know i'm pissing into the wind and eventually i'll just collect my food and gas coupons for wages and look forward to when the government lets me have my god damned chocolate ration after barkevious, latrell, and juan get theirs first.
fuck this gay earth and fuck you for being brainwashed into a false sense of moral superiority for willingly giving shit to people that don't deserve it and didn't fucking earn it. you are the problem, not me.
>>67823798
In his defense, he's right in saying that the modern degree flood lowered the value of college education and wasted a shitload of resources, here in Italy a bachelor is literally worthless, and a lot of masters and professional degrees are too (law for example is so oversaturated you can find lawyers working at call centres). I'm totally in favour of free higher education, but only in the form of scholarships: let the government set a close number of people for every degree course, based on the job market, with a very highly competitive access process, and let the rest go without or sell a liver to pay for it. Use the spared money to add one or two more years to high school and incorporate more economics and civics into the curriculum instead.
>>67823936
It's not 'giving away free shit'. Do you think you get in to universities here just like that? Hell, we dont even have affirmative action for retards. I worked my ass off to get in, to graduate and find a good job.
Though you are correct on one thing, sandersfags are delusional to think that this system we have would work in your country
Tuukka Rask for Andrew Raycroft
Herschel Walker trade
>>67814354
vince carter for 2 no name faggots and alonzo mourning who never even showed up
>>67824045
your post proved itself. its hard to get into university there, here anybody can get a degree somewhere.
its just a vastly different culture, society, and demographic. so to say you're happy because no loan repayments etc etc well that's all fine and good and shit, but the same way you don't understand why we don't just go for that as a country is the same way i don't understand how you have to work hard under a system like the one you have to get in.
>>67822837
>Taxation is around 40 something percent on average
>Hurr durr free education and health
>>67823971
>let the government set a close number of people for every degree course, based on the job market, with a very highly competitive access process, and let the rest go without or sell a liver to pay for it.
This is exactly what we have. The amount of enrolled students per study program varies each year. For example, the quota for me in 2009 was 110 or so people. For this year 156 people are getting in.
>>67824152
I would have gone to portugal as well if I had a drug problem and wouldn't have any reasons why NOT to dope myself to death
ANA Ducks acquire
2015 3rd round pick
Ryan Kesler
VAN Canucks acquire
2014 1st round pick
Luca Sbisa
Nick Bonino
2014 3rd round pick
>>67815830
Gretsky was a washed up meme who never won a cup again he was spent
Probably not worst ever, but Milan letting Pirlo go for free is definitely worth mentioning
>>67824159
>This is exactly what we have.
Good for you. Here in Italy only a select few programs have this (those requiring a high amount of infrastructures basically, like medicine), free entry programs like basically all liberal arts are a fucking shitshow aside from master courses in unis where they require a certain gpa to access the higher level.
The problem is mostly that people don't like this kind of policy. Entitled little shits feel like they have a right to become doctors, and having to pass an entrance examination is a breach to their right to education. Could you fucking believe that they brought my uni to court and they even won? Now the first year of medicine is a shitshow too, because the infrastructure is simply not there to accomodate that many more students than expected. Thank fucking Christ I'm on my way out already.
>>67819025
this is why the simpsons made fun of communications majors
>>67819509
deserved it for letting a cup winner get raped 9-0 without pulling him
>>67824239
>missing the point
>le poortugal meme
>>67814400
>>the entire future of the Brooklyn Nets franchise for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry
The Nets picks have been worthless for the Celtics to be quite honest
>>67820957
>I've had my job since before the market crashed
ok
Edge from Raw to Smackdown tbqh
>>67814354
Rick Nash for the entire rangers team
>>67816267
LOL
>>67816267
Seattle traded the Sonics to Oklahoma City in exchange for...nothing.
>>67823675
Lolwut
That trade was awful for the Islanders
Zdeno Chara and Jason Spezza for Alexei Yashin(who they bought out)
Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha
Ziggy Palffy for literally nothing(The kikes made him do this one tho)
>>67824807
Next year's draft is stacked
>>67820317
it was basically, 'no child may move ahead'
Will Steven Adams be an All Star next season?
>>67820793
Can add Coutinho to Liverpoop to that list also
>>67822723
Look for internships at financial services companies/banks and hope one of them takes you on? Hustle that internship and maybe you'll get a full time analyst position when you graduate.
Gotta be Ruth
>>67814354
Shady McCoy for Kiko Alonso
>>67814612
>>Parish and a pick that turned out to be McHale for a bunch of useless shit
>>pic
trade for cash.
>>67814354
Jimmy Graham to Seattle.
>>67821166
> trading a defensive liability and ball hog to a shittier franchise
>Beat best regular season Spurs team ever and about to beat winningest regular season team ever
>lost the trade
Only think they lost is the fact that they still have to play in shithole Oklahoma
>>67819208
He was expensive sure, but he's a great player. Definitely not a bad signing, just a very expensive one.
>>67819242
Yeah you could say this.
>>67814354
Selling your best player and replacing him with Ricky Lambert.
>>67822544
>>67822295
depends where you get your degree and who you know. Econ can be broadly applicable, and if you are demonstrably intelligent, many businesses will train you to do all sorts of shit (analyst roles, management tracks, etc)
but yeah, if you have a middle-of-the-road econ degree with an average GPA, you've graduated without learning any useful skills on day 1.
>>67847072
I was going to go into economics because it is interesting to me but I went into electrical engineering because I thought it would be more useful. It is too late to switch now, I am going to graduate in the fall and I already have 6 graduate credit hours despite not liking engineering or graduate school.
>>67846136
They could have contended in 2013 better but Harden was going to get out no matter what. If basketball was played with two balls the situation would have worked. For all we know they wouldn't be good enough defensively to murder the Warriors like they are.
The thing about the Thunder is this is the first time they have been healthy in the playoffs since 2012 and they are crushing it.
