Who would win, Soviet hockey team at its peak or current NHL all star team?
The USSR m8
They always won even back in the day against the greats like Gretzky
Just because of how much hockey has changed since Roy and the fall of the USSR I'd have to say modern NHL all stars
>>67448398
u sure m8
>>67448255
And refs doing their thing.
Like in that Canada Cup.
Who would win:
The U.S.S.R's finest hockey players or
A rag-tag group of American college kids?
>>67447840
CCCP
better Goalie
More practice time together
Actually trying to play Defense.
But if you were just putting together a team from all NHL rosters to dominate like an Olympic team now, I think the NHL team would win about 60% of the time on speed, size, and talent.
>>67448255
Why were they so competitive, was their domestic league the GOAT?
>>67449406
Nah their Olympic team was actually just professional athletes playing against actual amateur athletes.
The USSR team lost to nhl teams in exhibition.
>>67449406
The NHL didn't allow its athletes to compete in the Olympics at the time whereas the USSR didn't give a shit so they were allowed to walk over everyone
>>67449406
Fetisov said that north americans have no style. Its more about individual cockslapping and picking fights than comeradery.
How could one state bring down an entire nation?
modern goalies alone would shit on any gretzky-era, meme hockey
average goalies now are like 6'1 and athletic AS FUCK. ussr goalies back then were just stand up memes go back and look at old footage.
the game is also fast as fuck now, i'd say any of the top 5 elite nhl teams could be the ussr team in a best of 7 easily.
>>67449229
Surely a bunch of Boston and Minnesota youngsters wouldn'thave a chance. If they won in a big international tournament in a medal round game it would probably be the best sports moment in history :^)
>>67449406
Cold war anon. They proved to the world that their communist regime was superior through their sporting success.
>>67447840
what if you time traveled the old soviet team with their old shitty sticks and goalie pads and skates gear etc to play against a currently strong nhl team with all the modern stuff and meta evolution? I feel like they would get outskated or deked etc
>>67447840
They can't be compared. Style of goaltending was completely different, which of course influences the style of team play.
Standup goalies would get BTFO today. Also, with the different equipment/padding, the strategy has chagned somehwat as well.
>>67452767
As cool as it was, they won a fluke game, and if they played a series they would have been beat easily. Even the flyers won two against the Capitals.
>>67449406
The Soviet League was competitive with the NHL but what made the Soviet national team so dominant was that it was basically CSKA Moscow + a couple of standouts from the other teams.
They played together practically all their lives.
>>67449948
True, the Russian's had a tradition of treating units of 5 (3 forwards and 2 defense) as a whole line who would change instead of individual smaller lines.
This inspired the Russian Five who kicked ass for the Red Wings: Fedorov, Fetisov, Konstantinov, Larionov, and Kozlov.
>>67449529
>individual
While that is true of Olympics, they did play in superseries, which were pretty even -handed.
>>67453618
that's what I was going at here >>67448398
Roy and the end of standup goaltending as well as the sharp increase in actual defensive play makes the eras almost not comparable
Saw Dynamo Moscow beat the Bruins on a tour in 1986.
They were a different level of hockey. So fluid, using the whole rink, perfectly synchronized, great skaters.
But today's NHL All-Stars are better.
>>67447840
The Summit Series in 1972 was the USSR vs. Canada (which was basically the NHL all-star team) and Canada won the series.
USSR won Summit Series against Canada in 1974, but Canada didn't have NHL players, it was with a semi-pro league called the WHA.
>>67448255
Of the five Canada Cup tournaments that allowed NHL players between 1976 and 1991 - Canada won 4 times and USSR won once.
When NHL players were used, Canada won most of the games against USSR.
frankly russia still one at hockey
just, not for olympics due to refs
>>67448255
Except they fucking didn't, look up the 72 summit series
>>67449948
And Canada considers Russian hockey to be a pussified fag fest.
>>67452617
the goalies then were also about half the size, the vast majority of goaltending now is just playing the odds and covering as much of the net as possible
>>67452617
>>67454518
Not true at all, guys like Gretzky and Mario Lemieux faced Brodeur, Roy, and Hasek at the end of their careers and still put up 90-100 fucking points even when they were old men close to retirement.
They adapted to the change in the style of hockey and still dominated in the trap era that was even lower scoring than now.
>>67453638
You're being pretty generous to the capitals.
>>67454399
Take off the homer glasses gord.
Summit series was even as fuck. We won by 1 goal in the last seconds.
We did better in Canada cups but we had home ice advantage every time and used north american refs who could be biased at times. Look up that famous 1987 lemeiux to gretzky game winning goal against the USSR. Canada literally gets away with a hooking penalty off the draw that leads to an odd man rush and goal for canada.
Finally, when Soviet club teams toured north america they beat NHL teams more often than not. They also beat NHL all star teams in games as well.
>>67454847
>a soviet team that played together for years beat an all star team that never played together before
Get the fuck out of my country commie
>>67454875
hurrr durr then explain how nhl teams that played together lost to soviet club teams.
>>67454904
The Soviet team was the best Russian players available
NHL teams weren't the best players available
Are you mentally handicapped?
>>67454922
Now you are just proving yourself to be a dumbass. They were club teams not the national team. 4/6 soviet teams won more than they lost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Series#Soviet_and_NHL_overall_record_by_series_and_games
Yep you're a homer bud.
>>67454653
ya but that's like half the production of gretzky in his prime. Im not saying that gretzky wasnt the goat, I just dont think goalies need to be as athletic now as they were in the 80s
>>67454970
Yeah
All that Canadian talent split up into 21 teams compared to 7 Russian teams.
You are a fucking moron and should kill yourself. The only thing that matters is best vs best national teams and Canada won that.
>>67455018
Holy fuuuuck lmao at this grasping of straws.
Spartak and Krylya were average skill teams in the soviet league.
>>67455129
>blown out by logic
>g-g-grasping at straws
Also take the proxy off pekka you aren't fooling anyone. Canada>>>>USSR
>canuck only won '72 because they chimped out and played dirty and slash soviet players ankles
>so dirty their own fans booed them
>>67455185
>say stuff that is blatantly wrong
>get presented with facts that prove otherwise
>have the nerve to bring up the word logic
easy there gordo
>>67455334
What have I said that is wrong? Of course when you dilute the talent pool the the inferior country wins, but when you bring the best players the superior country wins
Proxy off
>>67455500
but that's not what happened dumbass
>>67455511
1972 summit series
Who won this?
Proxy off fag
Remember when the flyers kicked soviet ass and they left the ice in the middle of the game?
how pathetic is it that this finnish cuckold has to use a canadian proxy to be taken seriously when he shitposts about canada
>>67455631
it's probably a Russian that lives in Finland, they are prevalent on /int/
frankly Russian diaspora on /int/ is far more annoying than people with Russian flags on /int/, I don't know why
>>67452767
so how much refpuck was there in that game
Any NHL team honestly. They only looked good because the played amateurs.
>>67454487
>winning 7 game series in 8th game (a tie in one game)
>gwg scored in final 30 seconds, to make it 6-5
True, but it was close as fuck.
even buffalo sabres would win 6-0
Summit Series should never be counted when comparing the two
Best hockey player on the planet was injured and couldn't play
Best russian got his ankle snapped by canadian goonery
Who knows what happens if both teams are at full strength
>>67456334
yep. that's what happened. Also 1972 was was won by one goal in the last 30 seconds.
>>67447840
Current play will beat out past ones; the Soviets might have been the best, but you can't pluck them out of time vs modern pros built on their foundations and expect that USSR to win.
>>67449458
>The USSR team lost to nhl teams in exhibition.
Which is a totally not misleading way to put it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarom%C3%ADr_J%C3%A1gr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_CSKA_Moscow#CSKA_and_the_NHL
>>67456597
whoops, wrong link for the first one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summit_Series
>>67447840
NHL easily, current players are on a whole other level compared to back then
>>67448255
Nice try, memelord.
>>67456724
What would an Okie know about hockey?
>>67454904
When Canadian NHL players went against the USSR, the Canadians won most of the time. The record is literally 5-1 for Canada with NHL players.
Russia hasn't won an Olympic Gold since they started allowing NHL players in the Olympics in 1998. Canada has won 3 Golds since then.
All of the fucking USSR medals should have an asterisk beside them.
>>67457100
Well they would have won one if it wasn't for 90's Hasek being the greatest prime a goalie ever had
>>67455311
>"playing dirty isn't part of the game"
t. US college hockey
Russians are fairy boy 360 dangle snipe floaters.
CAN>>>SWE>USA/FIN>>CCCP/Slavshits
>>67447840
Depends 0n many fact0rs:
-ice rink size
-rules
-refs and h0w they interpret the rules (ex. refs wh0 always call slashes and h00ks vs refs wh0 let that shit g0 80% 0f the time)
-h0w much time each team gets t0 practice t0gether
M0dern NHL players, and the maj0rity 0f h0ckey players ar0und the w0rld in general, are m0re superi0r athletes than they were in the S0viet era, s0 they get the advantage. The S0viet team w0uld have the advantage 0n internati0nal sized rinks, especially if the NHL all star team wasn't given a m0nth 0r m0re t0 practice and play c0mpetitively 0n that rink size. It isn't crazy at all t0 think that the S0viets c0uld win, I mean, Canada has l0st t0 the Swiss in internati0nal c0mpetititi0n, s0 anything is p0ssible.
>>67447840
USSR
>>67461591
>>67447840
would probably depend upon rink size and whether or not the nhl players could take time to get used to a bigger rink. On small ice nhl players would dominate USSR
>>67448828
That pic only cements the idea that the modern NHL guys would win. I mean look at those little manlets, Ryan Getzlaf could literally eat one of them.
>>67455666
Whatever you say satan
>>67457177
This desu, also checked
>>67455560
>red army got outshot 49-13
top kek, russians couldn't into physicality
>>67457150
>t. faggot
>>67455742
>home turf
>refpuck in anyway shape or form in fear of having your entire lineage killed
