2nd round of the draft starts in 8 bongs 20 bings
NYJ:Muhammad Wilkerson unlikely to be traded
SF:Elway: Broncos no longer pursuing Kaepernick
SF:49ers trade back into 1st to nab Josh Garnett
DEN:Broncos trade up for Memphis QB Paxton Lynch
MIN:Vikings find No. 1 WR, select Treadwell at 23
WAS:Redskins bolster receiver corps with Doctson
HOU:Texans trade up one spot, select Will Fuller
CLE:Browns make Coleman first WR off board at 15
MIA:Laremy Tunsil slides to Dolphins at No. 13
CHI:Bears trade up for pass rusher Floyd at No. 9
TEN:Shocker: Titans trade up to No. 8 for Conklin
JAC:Jaguars stop Jalen Ramsey's slide at No. 5
Lions could have a winning record next season.
BOLD BRAVE BERRY up in this bitch. I know y'all jelly about our trade to the 49ers late round 1.
I couldn't be happier, after Fuller got picked, he was who I had my eyes on for the Chiefs.
Now that the First round is in the books I think it's safe to say the NFC East is going to end up something like this
Cowboys 15-1
Redskins 10-6
Giants 5-11
Eagles 3-13
1rst for Patriots confirmed drafting Xavien Howard
has anyone made a Meet the Pyro tunsil edit?
>>67195478
>20 bings
Explain why your team isn't drafting this guy
https://vine.co/v/igWpnAE6ztP
>>67195520
>East Carolina
>>67195489
>first
>first to be retarded
>>67195520
Hopefully the Chargers do -- or Austin Johnson.
Someone post tunsil in mask and bane pls
>>67195520
>4chan doesn't embed vine
Well guess I'll be watching that never.
>>67195546
it does if you install 4chanx
Hey guys I missed the draft last night who did the Pats pick?
Goff's sister is a coalburner
>>67195458
>Ted
>HC
>>67195595
never gets old
What did the niners trade to get the 28th pick?
>>67195626
Their 2nd, 4th and 6th round picks. They still have picks in every round except the 2nd though.
>>67195478
lol nice pic OP
>>67195656
That's pretty stupid.
>>67195532
>titans
>eagles
>texans
>jags
>lions went 6/8 in second half of season after firing Lombardi
it is possible sempai
>>67195601
Her mom is hotter than she is.
>Jags make playoffs
>Redskins make playoffs
>Bills make playoffs
>Vikings make playoffs
>Cowboys miss playoffs
>Patriots miss playoffs
>Steelers miss playoffs
OH BOY THE MEME SEASON IS HERE.
Post tunsil banes pls
lel looks like the niners are keeping kapernick
>r12 BTFO
>>67195718
Isn't there any way to ditch him?
>>67195711
>Bills making the playoffs
>Steelers and Pats missing the playoffs with those offenses
What
>"We started working early. We worked the phones from noon on (Thursday) to try to find where we could slide in," Broncos general manager John Elway said. "We talked to everybody starting at 17 and all the way up, and we were finally able to do a deal with the Seahawks."
HURR HURR FALCONS COULDN'T TRADE DOWN
FIRE DIMITROFF
pls let dodd fall to 46
>>67195493
why do you name your file "beberry", shouldn't it be "bbberry" for bold brave?
>>67195747
There will definitely be a good DL pick by then
Who Las Vegas Raiders here?
Lol @ falcons
>>67195740
>trusting smellway
>drafting ball-juggling manlets to play wide receiver
>>67195711
>>67195738
the happening is here kobe pic confirms
>>67195738
>Gaydy suspended for cheating
>Have to play NFCW and AFCN
Cheatriots are missing the playoffs. Dolphins will win the division though.
>>67195740
>reaching for a safety
>failcons
Why the fuck did we take Eli Apple over Tunsil reeeeeeeee
>tfw Falcons get Dodd in the 2nd and win the draft for the second consecutive year
>>67195823
Why did the bears reach for the giant's guy?
>>67195824
>Falcons get Dodd
>pick after the Loins
if this happens i will poop myself in rage
>>67195850
they'll probly take a CB i feel like thats where this is going
>3 of the 5 FCS QBs taken in the 1st round since 1978 have won a Super Bowl and another was 1 yard short
It's happening
>>67195544
>>67195713
Pls respond
>Raven beat writer Jeff Zrebiec reports the team attempted to trade up to the No. 4 with the Cowboys to select FSU DB Jalen Ramsey.
why didn't the Cowboys take it there was literally nobody else in the top 6 that would have picked Zeke
Everything is going according to plan.
>>67195891
will there be any BPA type CB's available though?
>>67195936
because they're retarded and jerry is strting to suffer from dementia
>>67195936
That guy's full of shit, Ravens already admitted they were going after Zeke
Why are his sister and mom twins?
Elite level genes?
>>67195936
because the Baltimore Browns can eat shit
Steeler bros, is Burns any good?
I wanted Jackson III, but the fact that the team wasn't on the clock for long makes me think that the coaching staff knows their shit about this guy.
and, who should we draft next? S? OT?
>>67195999
they're not the mom's 100x hotter
>>67195999
>that mom
Is this the year that the Dolphins finally become a meme team?
>>67196078
DT, hopefully someone like Billings is still on the board at 58.
>>67196078
He's a stud, but it was a reach for a position of need.
>>67195956
Ravens were going for everyone apparently, so far I heard Bosa, Tunsil and now Zeke.
The Bosa and Tunsil made sense, Zeke really doesn't, considering everyone can run with Yanda on the team.
>>67196108
they've always been a meme team my man. unless you and i have different definitions of meme
STUGOTZ BASED AS FUCK
>>67195494
that delusion is back
Was Buckner a good pick at #7? I don't watch college football.
>>67195999
I wonder if she ever had to clean up his semen stained underwear?
>>67196131
Everyone can run with the Dallas o-line, what's your point?
>>67196078
He's a track star, really young (20), reach for sure but he was mocked to us at that pick by some CD specifically. I expected Billings after WJ3 was gone.
>>67196134
i love listening to stugotz and lebetard
>>67196142
he has all the traits to be dominant, but so did Arik Armstead...
>>67196142
I watched his highlights fami, he's like Arik Armstead but just does everything he does way better
>>67196151
Ozzie Newsome isn't as dumb as Dallas when it comes to draft picks.
>>67196142
Depends. It's gonna take him some time to blossom, he needs to learn some pass rush moves, but he's got fantastic awareness and gives 100% effort. So long as the Niners don't miscast him as an edge rusher, he'll be fine. He was the fourth best player in the draft after Ramsey, Jack, and Tunsil imo.
>>67196132
I've always considered them too irrelevant to be a meme team. They've had meme players and meme moments, but never really been a full-on meme like the Eagles
>>67196142
He's PFF's mancrush so take that anyway you want it
>>67196142
>Chip Kelly
>not taking an Oregon player
pick one
>>67196182
this spic just spoke english and said something intelligent. can you come across the border and tell all the idiot ones to go back home? you can stay
>>67196182
>breshaud perriman
I'm not so sure famito
>>67195478
>>67195601
>>67195656
>>67195824
>>67195936
>>67196078
>>67196089
>>67196103
>>67196121
>>67196131
>>67196182
>Foreign NFL Fans
Get the fuck out
>>67196195
fuck, i forgot chip was the 9ers head coach. yeah, he'll fuck that up somehow
>>67196207
Fuck off, Jethro.
Back-to-back picks in round 2. Who get, /sp/?
>>67196207
Shut up
>>67196205
To be fair, Newsome has been pretty bad with recent first rounds.
>Elam
>Perriman
Mosley and Jimmy Smith are the best first rounders since 2008.
>>67196246
More Florida busts
>>67196246
The whitest BAP.
>>67196246
La'Raven Clark & Xavien Howard
>>67196246
"Star player" 1 and 2
Anyone gonna take this guy?
He was Clemson's best player
How far do you think Myles Jack slips? 32? 35? 40? Further?
>>67196262
>drafting another easley
id rather die
>>67196297
3rd round to the Raiders
>>67196287
Steelers should have gotten him instead of Burns. My guess is he'll go to Dallas or Baltimore in the 2nd round.
>>67196297
He won't get past the Vikings, more likely the Browns or Jags
>>67196216
he could have Josh Huff for a 3rd rounder, just sayin'
>>67196287
Panthers need a corner
>>67196195
Has there ever been an NFL coach that had as much of a hardon for his old college team?
>>67195676
Also gnats and skins
Loins could easily go 11-5 this year with a loss to each green bay and Vikings, a loss to Dallas, a loss to Colts, and one other, probably rasm. More likely 10-6 with a loss to the skins who don't suck quite as much as they used to
>>67195601
God I wish I could watch his mom and his sister get blacked HARD
>>67196477
>>67196477
I know Steve Spurrier got his QB from Florida but I'm not sure about other players like Chip does. So, probably not.
>>67196477
did Lou Holtz get a bunch of ND players when he went to the Jets? I'm too young to remember.
>"""""people"""""" actually think the Ezekiel Elliot pick was bad
>>67196484
I am definitely worried about Stafford's first year without Calvin
Based Kirk will lead the skins to NFCE domination
>>67196287
Miami if he lasts that long
>>67196582
sickies
As an Eagles fan, it's a definite need for the Girls
he's gonna be hard to stop unless he gets hurt
>>67196582
"""""people""""" think drafting a bust at 4 when they already had 3 RBs on the roster and having paid Morris already to now backup said bust was a bad idea
>>67196582
>picking a RB #4 overall
They should've drafted Ramsey
>>67196582
It wasn't, considering they really need to keep the ball away from Romo, or at least keep the pressure off him.
>>67196585
I am a little, but honestly tate was beastly without Calvin there so I don't think it be as big of a hole without Calvin as we think. I'm hoping it might force staff to be more of a gunslinger, which he's good at, but I am going to miss the FUCK IT I'M GOING DEEP TO MEGATRON throws. I'll never forget that catch against the bungles in triple coverage, I'm convinced no other player could've pulled it off. Excited to see how Marvin Jones fits in, and to see how Riddick does he's gotten better every single year, he was pretty clutch last season.
Sam Bradford needs to get his panties out of a wad. Take the Eagles to the playoffs and you'll be in place for several years. Just stop pouting like your mom gave little brother a lolli and didn't get you nothing.
>>67196669
I dunno, I'd be pretty upset if my brother got a loli and I didn't.
>@RapSheet
The #Cowboys are attempting to trade up with the #Browns at No. 32, source said. The likely target is a pass-rusher.
Who are the Raiders going to pick in the 2nd and 3rd round?
I want to know if McKenzie can strike gold 3 years in a row.
>>67196654
Ebron also took a huge step forward after that disastrous rookie year, so if that trend continues and he gets his drops down a bit more, there's another weapon. I'm honestly not that worried about a CJ-less team, he was hobbled the last two years and it felt like everyone knew this was coming for awhile now.
>>67196707
Pls don't, I want Bell or Jack at 32.
>>67196764
>Moving down three spots
>Get the same player + more picks
Anon pls
how important is age in determining who will be a bust? for example the bengals and steelers both drafted guys in the same position one pick apart but one is 3 years older than the other one. is that a good or a bad thing?
>>67196755
Yeah, it's gonna hard be to assess the loss of that mandatory double team he always required though. Even when he was injured, they could still use him as a decoy because he was just that good. Shame he won't get a ring on the field, he deserved one more than most. At least nice hands Larry still has a chance.
>>67196811
Tits might pick one of them.
Will he be ELITE?
>>67196823
Josh Norman was drafted at 24 to be fair.
WJ3 and Burns are two very different players. Burns is a track star, but WJ3 has a solid floor already and a good ceiling. I don't understand the pick since he wasn't BPA or a position of need
>>67196848
Tits signed a solid S in FA, doubt they pick Bell
>>67196850
No.
>>67196640
How does a CB play all four years of college and only get 3 INTs?
>>67195823
Because Eli Manning / Eli Apple
Big Apple / Eli Apple
They literally went for headline potential rather than play potential
>>67196484
>loss to Green Bay
>Their only win last season was because of intense refball
>>67196869
By also playing Safety and not being thrown to. Teams intentionally threw away from him
>>67196755
2014 was mostly without Calvin and the team made the playoffs that season
>>67196626
Morris and McFadden combined had four fucking touchdowns last year. That's why Dallas went for Zeke.
>>67195601
I'm pretty sure its law in California that you need to be BLACKED
>>67196898
Very difficult to intentionally avoid throwing to Safeties. Ed Reed at Miami had 21 INTs, for example.
Looks like this will be the season of underdogs
>Vikings, Redskins, Jaguars, Lions, Jets, Chiefs all look like strong possibilities to make the playoffs
Who goes full meme and drafts Moritz Boehringer?
>tfw all these pass rushers still on the board
>tfw Eagles fan
Feels nice knowing that there's even like a 1% chance we drafted the GOAT, even if the other 99% is mediocrity
>>67196850
Those are some shitty angles from the Penn State defenders. NFL level defenders don't do that shit.
So we all agree the Lions won the 1st round right?
>>67196823
Age only determines how long they'll likely stay in their prime. Like how Treadwell is 3 years younger than Doctson.
>>67197046
Look at it this way: You've got a better chance than the Rams do, since Jeff Fisher is death to young QBs. He's going to have no idea what to do with Goff.
>>67197022
how do you feel about reed?
if Ezekiel Elliot isn't the poster boy for human growth hormone I don't know who is (besides JJ Watt)
jesus christ....the size of his skull is just shocking
how in the fuck does his face look like it needs another cubed foot of space to fit his cheeks in?
>>67197022
tfw
>>67196993
>Jets
Not with those qb's
>>67197022
Need a decent CB and maybe another DE to support Ziggy
God help us if Quinn doesn't resign him next season
>>67196897
They have Nelson back and it's the lions, I think they can snag one win and while they should win the second, they are the lions so they will probably fuck it up
>>67196993
Raiders
>>67197082
If they're smart and keep Fitzmagic, they can get about three more good years out of him before he's washed up.
With the 32nd pick of the NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select ________
>inb4 they do the most Browns thing possible and take Connor Cook
Daily reminder that all anons are fucking retarded E!SPN drone babbys
>>67197059
Yes, o line will be elite, and defensive line with new draft picks, ansanimal, levy, quin will be insane as well
>>67196850
Has potential to be and Dallas has the best offensive line in the NFL. There was no better place for him to go desu.
If he busts at Dallas his career will be over because he'll never be in a better situation. Seems like its either greatness or bust for him.
>>67197081
ew why that bitch got a hairy butthole?
First for Ravens making the draft their bitch
>>67195478
>SF:Elway: Broncos no longer pursuing Kaepernick
>DEN:Broncos trade up for Memphis QB Paxton Lynch
this makes me so fucking happy
Elway needs to be kicked in the balls for even considering trading for that piece of shit Kapernick.
>>67196500
Holy shit, how much of a degenerate faggot cuck do you have to be to post that? So what you're saying is instead of wishing you could fuck either of them or both of them, you'd rather them get fucked by some black dude?
>>67197096
Quinn is smart, he will do what it takes to keep ziggy, who I honestly think will be hof material if he keeps playing the way he is
>>67197096
We'll get Ziggy re-signed. There is a reason we didnt make a big splash in FA this year. Gotta get Slay and Ziggy back next year.
>>67197127
Is that the first time you've seen a girls butthole?
>>67197081
>dyed bleach blonde
>leaves the dark hairs on her asshole
women logic
>>67197175
was last year the first time you've seen a chiefs playoff win?
>c-chargers are going T-Tunsil!
Lmao stupid fucking Raven trips
>>67197145
>searches the thread and responds to ancient posts about the blacked meme
I think I found the degenerate
>>67197185
savage
>>67197185
>>67197187
They would have gone Tunsil if not for him being a giant dumbass, instead the Chorgers were even bigger dumbasses who drafted Bosa instead lol
>>67197141
>Elway needs to be kicked in the balls for even considering trading for that piece of shit Kapernick.
I dont think he ever was that interested in Kaep.
I think the media created a story and was trying to force it to come true. Which is something they do a lot.
Elway inquired about nearly every quarterback, even Foles and Bradford. Yet the media only reported about Kaep and drug it on for months even after told them repeatedly the talks were "dormant"
>>67196078
I always laugh at these "project" picks...
Project picks work out in like 1 out of 10 tries...
TT moving up in the 2nd
cap it
>>67195837
Fox loves Floyd.
He also loved Von Miller in the same way. I trust this pick, though I don't love it.
>>67197136
Weren't you just talking about how you weren't happy with the Stanley pick last night?
>>67197211
The Broncos were 'interested' in literally every QB that wasnt a sure starter.
Elway wanted one cheap, and he got one. He was not going to pay unless he had no options, and Lynch just fell enough
>>67197210
>i-ifs and buts
lmao
>ravens trips are always right!
>>67197214
Are you talking about Telesco? Because, y'know, the Chargers have the 3rd pick in the 2nd, too -- last I checked.
>>67196582
Winning a superbowl is a 2ndary priority...
Jerry Jones cares about selling out those $50,000 box suites...
>>67197240
Thankfully the Ravens have more than one pick in this draft my friend
>>67197212
>....
Kys
Which team is Peyton going to?
>>67197258
They have the 4th faggot ass.
>Anon opinions
I wish this Anonymous guy wasn't so fucking stupid.
>>67197244
In every QB sure, not 95% Kaepernick like the media reported for the last 2-3 months.
>>67197258
Ted "madman" Thompson
>>67197255
Other than Pats fans as a whole the Ravens trips are pretty casual
>>67197287
Bitch, shut the FUCK up unless you wanna take this outside.
Still
>moving up 2 spots
No.
>>67197255
Wow, it's almost like the draft has played out like no one guessed
>>67197119
Are you the trip that thought "microfracture" was an injury?
I don't think you have any business calling anyone retarded tbhfam
>>67197269
Fair enough, buddy. I guess I just have higher expectations for "making the draft their bitch" and figure every pick has to be money
>>67197185
Last year was the first time anyone saw a Chiefs playoffs win
>>67197312
it will be after his surgery :^)
Right now it's just fucked up cartilage.
>I don't think you have any business calling anyone retarded tbhfam
Lmao anon opinions, they just keep getting stupider.
Fucking retard.
>>67195478
>Vikings drafting another WR
>will probably be a bust
>>67197333
>microfracture is an injury
Trip education
>>67197321
I'm not the biggest Stanley fan because I think he's a soft run blocker, but the Ravens had him higher on their board than Tunsil so I'm willing to defer to Newsome's judgement here. Ravens are money when it comes to drafting offensive linemen.
Laquon Treadwell or Corey Coleman.
Who is the bigger bust?
>>67197346
Conklin > Stanley
>>67197348
Coleman. Ball juggling gnomes have no business going in the first.
>>67197348
Coleman
>>67197348
Coleman. Treadwell is the real deal. Fuck speed and combine measurements, the guy can get open and will catch anything.
>>67196914
calvin was a gameplan changer, they would double team him even as an injured decoy
hopefully marvin jones can be like tate 2.0
Fuck the Bears
>>67197343
>He thinks his opinion is right
>He said Jack was going top 10
Anon opinions everyone. You can stop being wrong anytime
>>67197364
Also while Treadwell's drops are concerning, the vast majority of them were focus drops, which can be polished with even half decent coaching
yfw the great white hype Bosa destroys QBs and RBs next season
>>67197346
From what I've heard Tunsil has some run-blocking issues as well. Plus he's now riddled with controversy too, so there's that.
>>67197385
>I called it a "microfracture injury" because I don't know anything about football
get deported Texican
>>67197397
And he'd still be on the worst pass rush in his division
>>67197151
Slay is pretty much a done deal, he's already switched agents in preparation for a contract extension
>>67197299
>implying any 4channer would go outside
>>67195737
His salary is guaranteed now, so there's no real point in cutting him.
Are the patriots going to try to cheat again today?
>>67197081
Fuck I love chicks with hairy asses.
Taking a giant wiff of it gets my dick super hard. Dem pheromones
>>67197364
>receivers on Minnesota
>being good
Hasn't happened since Brett Favre was the QB desu.
I feel a bit bad for Treadwell because he's going to bust just for going to a team that he doesn't fit on. He would've been great on many other teams, but not the fucking Vikings.
>>67197348
Coleman overall
>manlet
>questionable hands
>Cleveland
>RG3 is who is pulling the trigger
dead on arrival
>>67197397
>Alex Smith is the first victim
>>67197397
>gets 97
>Bosa's number is 97
It is decided
>>67197413
Tunsil is a finesse blocker so he's gonna struggle with power rushers, but in that division he should be fine.
>>67197418
>Still butthurt
>>67197440
Percy Harvin was an MVP candidate with Ponder throwing to him
>>67197413
Tunsil had red flags before all the hacked twitter shit, supposedly he was with Robert Ndkemdiche during his hotel party and shit.
>>67197460
>still uneducated
I bet you don't even know what microfracture surgery is
>>67197479
Plus an injury history, and there was the improper benefits scandal in which he lied to investigators
>>67197467
Why the fuck does that pic exist?
fucking bungles stole my draftfu
>>67197467
>MVP candidate
>best season at Minnesota was 6 TD's
yeah...MVP in Minnesota only. Thats pretty average around the league.
>>67197502
better question: why the fuck do you exist?
>>67197507
Hope Billings is there in the second
Just got to be optimistic fampai
>>67197502
>he doesnt know about poopoopepe
fuck off normie
>>67197513
>being new to football
He was an MVP candidate in 2012 before getting hurt against Seattle
For as much as I wanted Treadwell, I don't mind Coleman. Travis Benjamin was successful with the Browns, so I don't see why Coleman wouldn't also. I wouldn't mind the Browns grabbing another WR, preferably a tall one, at 32.
>>67197525
>manlet
>stone hands
>not that fast for a speed receiver
>RG3 throwing the ball
>it's cleveland
pick whichever one you want
>>67197426
Chargers really need to step their Dline in order to make Bosa work.
Tell me about Laremy. Why does he wear the mask?
>>67197546
Mebane (for you)
Ashawn Robinson or Jarran Reed in the 2nd
>>67197543
>le Browns will always be bad maymay xDD
>>67197484
I bet you don't know how good Myles Jack is.
It looks like I know as much about mircofracture as 31 NFL teams.
>>67197546
They took Mebane in the offseason.
Though, I do hope they take Bullard or Johnson today.
>>67197522
>600 yards in 6 games
>MVP
>>67197522
>he was an MVP candidate very briefly that one time!
Thats liking saying someone is great because at the start of the season they were a Heisman candidate based on 1-2 good games.
>>67197543
He's already taller than most of the Browns receivers.
>>67197333
Youre a special kind of stupid arent ya?
>>67197551
Mr. John, this LT.
Your team
Which teams are you looking forward the most to beating this season?
>lions
>puckers and philthy ratbirds
Maybe tate will walk into the endzone again lel
>>67197577
>ignoring the overall point in an effort to be right
He was an MVP candidate for a short time ergo he was a good Minnesota receiver with a bad QB throwing to him
>>67197602
>49ers
>literally anyone
>>67197440
Sammy Watkins went to Buffalo and their QB situation isn't much better. Brandon Marshall has played most of his career with shitty QBs. I don't think that will cause Treadwell to bust. Even Jimmy Clausen could get the ball to him on a regular basis.
>>67197602
>chargers
>all them fuckers
>>67196246
two more tight ends
>>67197479
Yeah, but those red flags are different than a video of him smoking weed and leaked texts, no matter how inconsequential or commonplace they are. His mistake was making it easy for the media to jump on it.
>>67197607
Harvin was never once considered an MVP you anal astronaut
>>67197602
>Lions
>Beating the Ravens
lol
>>67197507
Lets be honest, would they have taken a guy with their first round pick who:
> Doesnt play in one of the Power 5 conferences
>will be 24 this year
I liked WJ3 too, but the more Ive thought about it the more I realized it wouldnt happen.
>>67197602
>Browns
>anyone, please don't go 0-16
>>67197607
he was never an mvp candidate
ever
stop posting
Just checking to see if sp is still bad
>deranged trips
>casual opinions backed by irrelevant stats
Yep ok carry on
>>67197598
jesus Ole Miss is fucked
>Jaguars get Ramsey and Jack
>>67197607
Yea because he was a stud return man and had an ability to take swing passes and screens to the house not because anything ponder did
And harvin could barely run a full route tree as it is so it wasn't because of his legitimate wr ability either
>>67197498
On a related note, Ole Miss is looking at some serious violations now
>all these edgy trip names
hows it feel being an attention whore? on 4chan? lmao
>>67197607
I'm not ignoring any point, whenever you are so desperate you have to say "but in game one people thought he looked good!" that doesn't mean shit in overall body of work.
As someone pointed out his yards were pretty average, and as I pointed out his net touchdowns was pretty average. He was NEVER great at Minnesota, and thats the point.
>but idk man for like...6 games that one year he looked pretty good!
>MVP MVP
fuck off, you wouldn't understand what MVP is if Peyton Manning walked into your house and explained it to you.