wew lads
no amd amx
Will Mercedes ever lose a race again?
>hamrosvet
Sixth for badgergp and 1 hour between posts.
thanks bernie:
>I don’t think we have to have an Italian Grand Prix. Somebody once told me a funny thing that you couldn’t have Formula 1 without a race in France. But we do
How to fix F1, in one easy step:
>Give them F5000s
Done. Fuck the future.
>>66438278
>But we do
The absolute madman
First car to arrive in Bahrain
>>66438278
Source on this.
Also, can't wait for this old fuck to drop. But then, who would take over?
Sergio "speed beard" Perez will have his yearly podium this weekend
>>66438365
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/03/bernie-ecclestone-says-21-f1-races-is-enough-but-monza-on-the-brink/
>>66438438
not if he is as awful as he was in melbourne. if he is, his team mate has a better chance (if both qualify 9th and 10th again).
>>66438455
Never underestimate the speed beard
>>66438455
>Hülkenberg
>podium
Top meme
>>66438594
i don't. but, if he has a shit start and can't get past cars again, he's fucked. he even got passed by a mclaren in australia.
>>66438600
tyre compounds are harder this year, which should suit him. i can't see it happening, but it's his best chance.
>>66438358
could someone make a
>ha ha! time for /f1/!
pic with a before and after of Alonso's crash
stopped watching F1 years ago. I see the rules keep getting dumber and more convoluted. what are the chances of a breakaway championship where it's just about fast? sky getting all the races is gonna kill this off anyway right?
>>66438778
breakaway will never happen. can't race on the same tracks as f1. who governs the breakaway series, and what of sponsors?
the sky deal only kills british viewership - there are other markets.
Ferrari and Mercedes are in a league of their own. Williams is further back than last year. Red Bull and Toro Rosso are off the pace as well.
It will require multiple retiremenets from all those teams to see a Force India on the podium and I don't think even le tyre strategy lad cheeky perez is going to be able to pull it off
Hulkenberg's chances of scoring a podium this season: 0%
Hulkenberg's chances of retiring from F1 after 2016: 50%
Hulkenberg's chances of driving for a better team than Force India in the future: 2%
>>66438808
without the UK there is no F1
80+% of the engineers, mechanics, designers, etc etc are British
All but three teams are British
75% of the tech suppliers are based in Britain
without British viewership there will be no new Brits coming into F1 in any capacity and all of those teams, suppliers and jobs will die off. It will take a while but if Bernie doesn't cancel the Sky deal it will be inevitable
>>66438808
there are plenty of tracks not being used. surely they could use whatever tracks are not on the calendar and there are usually countries that want to build their own just to be featured in F1.
>>66438831
he and perez are signed until the end of 2017. contracts mean little, i know.
>>66438844
maybe people will pay for sky if they want to watch f1? i don't really care - acestream mostly works fine.
>>66438856
and the money to market this series? how do you explain the new series to the public?
Ok /F1/, what do you think of the FIA Global Pathway.
>Has it been a success?
>Does it make better racing than F1?
>Is it fair?
>Would you spend the money on your kid to get cucked out of F3 because he doesn't have enough money?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Global_Pathway
>>66438438
heidfeld has a force india seat?
>>66438866
Nobody paid to watch Cricket on Sky and now no school child can name you an England cricketer.
>>66438870
Given that F2 hasn't started I don't think it is fair to judge but yeah I think it has done sort of okay.
Would prefer F2 to be more open so that it is also a team development and so a team would be better suited to making the jump to F1.
Also there needs to be an Asian F3 and American F3.
Grand prix weekends should ditch the current support series and run these instead.
>National F4 series
>Regional F3 series
>F2
>F1
So at Silverstone it would be
>British F4
>Euro F3
>F2
>F1
You just need to get more F3 series going.
Ultimately I'm happy that there is a logically stepped up pyramid of series going F4, F3, F2, F1.
>Gimi a shell of his former self
>Gimi will retire after this year after disappointing for 21 races straight
>Bottas will never win a race
>Bottas will never get a drive in a top team (and probably doesn't deserve one)
>No immediate future Finnish F1 hopefuls
>F1 will kill itself within the next 5 years and is going to be sold to an oil prince anyway
>Bernie and Todt will continue to make decisions well into their now-apparent dementia
Should I just end it now
Finland will never win again
>>66439095
you forgot
>Rosberg will win the championship and denounce entirely his Finnish heritage, instead claiming Swedish nationality
business idea: make F1 great again
>>66439179
I'd prefer this 2bh.
That race traitor can't even speak Finnish.
He should connect with his Finnish roots and kill himself due to being a beta-faggot.
>>66439217
he can speak Finnish he just chooses not to in order to appear more Aryan German
>>66439095
>Gimi a shell of his former self
People said that between 2008 and 2009 too, but then he started doing well again after Massa was KO'd. He also kept pace with Vettel, the current dominant best driver on the grid, in Australia. Don't rule him out yet.
>Bottas will never get a drive in a top team (and probably doesn't deserve one)
Deservedly or not, you know Wolff's going to drag him over to Mercedes soon.
Chanoch Nissany will win a race this year
>>66439357
Jolyon Palmer will finish on the podium once this season. My dubs guarantee it.
>>66439357
What is he even doing these days?
>>66439365
so close my son, just like Rio Haryanto will be to third place
>>66439365
Not that I actually believe this about Palmer but I do think Renault might be pretty decent eventually.
Even Red Bull is hyping up this upcoming Renault power unit upgrade, from Horner to Ricciardo everyone is saying it's going to basically make them much faster. Comparable to Ferraris 2014-2015 progress. And Renault didn't use many credits this off season as they are focusign them all on this big update. Even now their engine is seemingly a lot better than it was last year.
If professional Renault shittalker Horner is willing to praise how great this update is going to be, it suggests that it's probably going to be very good indeed. Red Bull claim that it is going to be so good that they will close the gap to Ferrari with it. This also suggests that Renault the team is going to see similar development in performance as well which could raise them to the levels of Force India and the points-scoring midfield in general. Update supposedly coming for Canada.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12525/10220991/las-vegas-has-f1-contract-reveals-bernie-ecclestone
CAESERS PALACE GRAYND PRICKS HERE WE COME BOYS
it's BahRaining
is there any reason why DRS shouldn't be allowed to be used ad libitum during races? it would add another dimension of skill, who has the balls to keep it open the longest before braking for example, and it would make much more sense than "you're allowed to use it only on a certain straight and only when someone's in front of you", which is retarded as fuck
or just get rid of it
>>66439848
Weren't there some races in the first year of DRS where the whole circuit was a DRS zone? I can't remember
And I think it would be a good idea if the power of the DRS was reduced a bit. At its current levels it would provide such a strong advantage that it would be unfair for the driver in front. But it would be cool to see DRS being used in parts of the track that aren't straights, like e.g. Blanchimont at Spa or 130R in Suzuka or Copse or any other high speed corner
Alternatively it could be a system where every driver has 10-20 instances of 10 seconds of DRS that they can use whenever and whereever on the track but that would be really gimmicky
>>66439848
It meant as a way to recover the time lost following another car, not an overtaking aid.
So as it currently is in theory if the cars had absolutely zero effect on each others aero then the current DRS passes would happen naturally.
Also they don't want them using it everywhere as it is considered potential dangerous in case it jams open.
>>66439848
Because of Monaco 2011, and the Perez incident, I guess. But it was supposed to be so, at first.
>>66439891
They could use DRS outside of zones in quali and practise. Red Bull would go flat with DRS open through 130R and blanchimont because only they could with the downforce they made.
>>66439848
DRS is a measure to counteract the effect of dirty air, not just to make laptimes faster and reduce downforce for lulz
>this thread
>this sport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG3sqBKc_o
F1 have finally started making quality content for youtube
>>66440279
>quality
>that monotonous voice
>that length
We could still do better.
>>66439612
OH FUCK
FINALLY A REASON FOR ME TO GO TO VEGAS
>close to losing Monza
>>66439612
>Vegas
get your teeth whitening kits ready :D
>>66440337
>>66440337
>AND SEBASTIAN COMES OUT OF TURN 4. HE IS GONNA FOLLOW IN HIS FATHERS FOOTSTEP AND WIN THE INDY 500. THE LIONHEART MARCHES ON.
>tfw it's gonna happen and there is absolutely nothing that will stop me crying when it happens
>tfw I'm fucking crying right now
I hope you are ready for it.
Will the American legend of FatJean continue? Will he finish in the points?
Captcha: stop fifth
>>66440453
fatal crash in baku
screencap this
>>66440453
Nope, it was just like Sauber did in Melbourne 2015.
I'd like to be wrong though.
>>66440467
>Marion breaking down in tears on camera when she is told Grosjean didn't make it
>Clutches on to Sacha and Simon for support
non
>>66440337
Name one good reason why Pastor Maldonado shouldn't be given free reign to drive around the track during the GP in a Mastercard Lola with the Merc engine bolted in
>>66440337
kek'd
>>66438092
my Bahrain predictions
>>66437778
If Ferrari are legitimate title contenders, would Vettel or Alonso give them a better chance at winning? I know it was Alonso's choice to leave, but who would /F1/ rather have?
>>66440855
This is wishful thinking of a Ferrari fanboy (or Mercedes/Hamilton hater.)
Mark my words. Hamilton is winning the ship this year, then relaxing. maybe taking Kimi's seat at Ferrari so he can have "raced at Ferrari" on his resume. Or going to Haas where he can just kick back, play at being an American rapper, and do a few NASCAR races.
>>66440979
I just don't want to predict HAMROSVET every race (and I'm a Nico fan, nothing against Lewis as driver tho)
>>66440855
Easily Vettel. Alonso has 3 massive issues:
>worst team player on the grid by a big margin
>struggles in genuinely fast cars
>his car development input is very poor
His toxicity alone meant that he had to go, but even without that, he simply wasn't good enough to win the championship. With Vettel and an almost brand new team built around him, regardless of whether he is slower or faster than Alonso, they have a much more serious chance of winning.
If Montezemolo had lost his job prior to 2005, Ferrari would be in a much better place right now. Schumacher&Massa would've easily carried the team to several more titles, and then, with MSC's guidance, they could easily get Vettel to replace him after retiring.
Can we all agree by now that F1 is pathetic? Who disagrees tips fedoras anyways.
>>66441057
>a Nico fan
wait, those exist?
>>66438358
Goddamn... why did they have to shame him further by making him clean up the mess himself.
>>66441126
There is like 5 of us but yeah
GO GO NICO
GO GO NICO
>>66441146
that's actually the original mad max who managed to hit rock bottom
>>66441297
Thats hecka cute
i root for Nico just because It'd be refreshing to see other one than choco-senna lift the WDC trophy.
also #6 is my favorite number
>>66441312
Lewis has his own mini jap fan
>>66441126
Yes.
Not really a fan, I just think he is a cool dude.
I hate the nigger so much so that helps.
We have the same name too.
>>66441480
Nico is not the same as Nicodopoulos
OK /F1/. Pitch me the Las Vegas GP.
>>66441445
Yeah but that one is disgusting and not a cute girl.
>>66441525
Actually Nick is my first name.
Nikos in greek.
Close enough.
>>66441529
They used to have one. It sucked. It was in a parking lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesars_Palace_Grand_Prix
>>66441543
Only Nico gets the qt girls
>>66441529
>hugely over-expensive bland street circuit designed by Tilke
>probably more focused on showcasing famous landmarks than creating an interesting race track
>huge runoff areas everywhere
>disrupts traffic etc for weeks, leaving a bitter taste in the mouth of public
>overprice the tickets so high that the public can't even afford to attend
>somehow organize it so poorly, overprice tickets and deliver extremely bland racing and kill F1 in the US for like the 5th time
>create millions of dollars of losses for the city of Las Vegas/the organizers
>repeat in another city/country next year until F1 kills itself
>>66441529
>qualifying replaced by a roulette wheel
>track goes under the fake eiffel tower
>>66439034
>Needs to be an Asian F3 and American F3.
They're planned for 2017 (But may be delayed)
>> FIA
>New Weekend Format
Love it... not sure if that'll increase cost though (which was a big point the FIA didn't want to break)
>> FIA Sticking to its own guidelines
>You need to get more F3 series going
EuroF3 is far too expensive and as a result (Nu) Brit F3 is popular for non-Brits.
>> Euro F3 > Brit F3 > Jap F3
>>66440855
>If Ferrari are legitimate title contenders, would Vettel or Alonso give them a better chance at winning?
Vettel. Seb is a harder worker, better at motivating teams, smarter and quicker.
>>66442234
Yeah what we need is more shitty feeder series' where the only point is to showcase talent for F1. Even structuring this whole thing so that all of these series' serve no other purpose than to get more drivers into F1
Considering there are drivers like Button, Massa, Alonso, Räikkönen etc who will have careers spanning 15-20 years or more in F1.
Of course all these series' are going to be 100% money dominated and the big teams are going to employ more mechanics, more staff, invest in better setup research etc etc and soon enough talent alone is not important at all.
Who is the last driver to even make it to F1 on merit alone? Like literally no sponsors or significant backing?
Scouts and key personnel have hand-picked talent for ages. There doesn't need to be a million different "road to F1" type series' which all focus on getting to F1. I mean even most GP2 champions don't even have hugely successful F1 careers or F1 careers at all while talent like Kimi or Verstappen etc got drives being handpicked by specific people
>>66442308
>Who is the last driver to even make it to F1 on merit alone? Like literally no sponsors or significant backing?
merit is what lands the sponsors and backing. literally.
>>66442272
Last time Alonso really had a very very good car was McLaren 2007 and he tied with a rookie Hamilton. Of course it was a clusterfuck season but still it's indicative of something. He had some good Ferraris but I wouldn't really call them great cars.
Alonso really doesn't even seem like he is that unbelievable at qualifying anymore. I don't think that was his strength in the first place. On race day he is supreme and his strengths have always been in the races and just somehow being faster than others in the races. His wheel to wheel racing and car control skills are exceptional and I think this is basically where most of his reputation comes from. I'm honestly a bit surprised that the media likes him at all considering how much shit he's caused and how many scandals he's been a part of.
Point being is that Vettel might not be quite as good of a RACER as Alonso, but under current regulations where racing is secondary and quali and consistency and all that great stuff is paramount to winning, I'm fairly sure Vettel would beat Alonso in the same car. Vettel is definitely a better qualifier, probably the best qualifier on the grid right now.
Alonso had so much input at Ferrari, his opinions were what mattered (Massa has talked about this). The cars were developed to what Fernando wanted and so many times Ferrari only realized that they're actually pretty shit is when they actually saw the true pace of the other cars. It's not 100% Alonsos fault but if you're in a big team like Ferrari and you are the driver being listened to, and you cannot create a supreme car (often quite far from supreme) during your whole time there despite having an infinite budget, it says something about Alonso's personality, development ability or both.
>>66442378
Not entirely, or else Frijns would probably be in F1 by now.
>>66442308
I agree issues will occur but the single-make structure will stop it becoming another F3000 which burned because you could only win with one/two teams.
>>66442867
I'm kind of wondering why there hasn't been an attempt at an alternative for F1. Considering how mismanaged F1 is right now, it really wouldn't be that difficult to establish a crowd-pleaser series similar to F1. Bring back huge loud engines, less aero, better tires and bam you've got faster laptimes than F1.
I mean of course it's not a simple thing to do but I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to capitalize on this chaos. If there was a single seater series that was faster than F1, I would watch it. People even watch Formula E and that's basically glorified electric carting. I'm saying that fans are bored, and want someone to actually listen to them, and I doubt that many people have soem sort of personal affinity with F1 or the FIA itself. If a competing series could attract just one big constructor to join, it could result in big things
>>66442980
Also sticking to more traditional circuits/countries would be better, fuck going to China/India/Korea. Bring back some of the old European circuits that folk actually attended.
>>66443193
>Bring back some of the old European circuits that folk actually attended.
ironically the dwindling attendance rates were what killed circuits like Magny-Cours or Jerez
>>66443757
True. There are many factors to consider though. Location, quality of track, quality of racing on track, price of tickets is a big one. I don't really know how much tickets to races cost nowadays but I can guarantee that they are overpriced as hell.
Why would anyone pay hundreds of euros to watch F1 from the grandstands in the current era? The cars aren't even loud anymore so there isn't even that novelty factor.
Also the sport is objectively better to follow from a TV screen lol
>>66443886
I also think the overall situation is that the deals that tracks are forced to sign if they want a race are so incredibly expensive, that the track organizer people have to charge ridiculous amounts for tickets.
This recent push for a more exciting quali and FPs etc came from the promoters/organizers in order to improve attendance.
It's honestly amazing that F1 has to be so jewy about everything and fuck over the circuits, yet simultaneously have no problem throwing 50 million to Ferrari every year as a participation bonus, and generally passing around prize money in the 10s of millions like candy, whilst still making so much of a profit that the owner is a multi-billionaire (3.9 billion USD in 2015)
>>66443886
>Why would anyone pay hundreds of euros to watch F1 from the grandstands in the current era?
Why not? Part of the reason I went to Silverstone in 2014 was because the level of noise had become low enough that I wouldn't be putting my ears in danger. While the whole experience did feel overpriced, I greatly enjoyed it overall, so ultimately I think I've got my money's worth out of it. Even managed to grab a photo with Hamilton.
Currently debating going to Monza this year just in case Massa and Raikkonen decide to retire soon or the track doesn't get a contract for 2017. Monza generally has poor racing, so I'm banking on the tifosi-centric atmosphere to carry the experience.
>>66443984
>Part of the reason I went to Silverstone in 2014 was because the level of noise had become low enough that I wouldn't be putting my ears in danger.
ear plugs, son
>>66444054
Got some, GP2 was too painful in spite of that.
>>66443984
>the level of noise had become low enough that I wouldn't be putting my ears in danger.
>>66444186
Noisefaggotry was never my thing.
>>66444186
>He doesn't value his hearing and not want to be deaf by the age of 45
>>66444213
>>66444280
>If only technology could develop something that could reduce the volume of sound......
>F1 is good
>>66444333
What a waste of double trips from someone that isn't even a new IP
>>66444309
>Implying earplugs offer much meaningful protection from 145 decibels for almost two hours at a time
>>66437834
;_;
why must you hurt me in this way desu
>>66443757
I mean interesting places like Zandvoort, big attendance rates for the dutch drivers plus all the other european countries within a couple of hours drive. Estoril would be good to see again, Anderstop for the Scandinavians to go to. The proposed idea of a London or Edinburgh street race would have been good, but i think its dead now.
>>66444428
you tried
ohwait 2 early
>>66444432
i did
>>66444443
>>66444443
so close
>>66444466
don't worry anon, you can still get >>66600000 :^)
We coul have saved the Michael but we failed
>>66444444
>TIL Sebastian Vettel scored more points finishing 3rd in 2015 under the 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 format than he did when he won his first championship in 2010.
2015 - 278 pts
2010 - 256 pts
>>66444579
Crazy to think how many points he lost that year because of Renault.
>>66444355
Go with dual protection.
Use the softies in your ear, and cover them with muffs. These days there are a lot of decent, and inexpensive, electronic ear muffs that will block out harmful sound, and amplify normal sounds so you can hear them.
No reason not to enjoy something because of noise when you can eliminate it these days, anon.
>>66444396
I wore softies religiously in the military, and if they protected my hearing over the years from fixed and rotary wing aircraft engines, sustained 7.62 MG fire, breaching charges, 5.56 fire, Carl-G and AT-4 fire, your hearing will be fine in the stands using them.
>>66444579
Was only 3 shy of his 2012 record too.
>>66444606
>and inexpensive
They're hardly inexpensive. Why would I waste all that money for something I'd only be getting out of sheer necessity for one event in my life?
>>66444416
Do nostalgic f1 fans care about Anderstorp? It's nowhere close to being the nicest track in Sweden. Went there last year, and even though they still host touring car races the place is a mess.
If theres gonna be some sort of Scandinavian GP, Sweden makes sense geographically, but Finland is where it's at if you want fans to show up.
>you can actually see Robert's foot
>literally one more hit from other cars and he'd be dead
>HANS doing its work like a boss
>winning the race a year later
Best crash ever?
>>66444940
very impressive
>>66444940
Not even close, Lauda almost burned to death and came back to race in the same season.
Holy shit I had no idea the front got so damaged.
>>66445099
>still holding part of the steering wheel
fuck me
>>66445099
those aren't his feet, you can tell because he's a double amputee
>>66444940
>>66445099
Newfriend here, what accident is this?
Driver name?
Really goes to show how strong the safety cell actually is, and how much energy can be dissipated by having literally everything else attached to it break away.
>>66445164
Robert GOAT Kubica
>>66445164
Airtin Senna in Self Imolation
>>66445164
Romain Grosjean, Baku European Grand Prix, 2016
He died and the photographer travelled back in time to upload it
>>66445164
It's the GOAT qt slav Kubica.
>>66445182
>>66445243
You know it doesn't work when someone has given the actual source before you right?
why is this thread so bad
>>66445432
Because you posted.
>>66445432
>>66445439
fucking #rekt.
Why are Force India called Force India when all but 2 of their sponsors are Mexican?
>>66445243
pls happen, and i hope he takes Haas F1 with him
>>66445509
'no'
>>66445020
kubicas crash was better than laudas though
but imo the most aesthetic crash was alliot in mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s4yBd0f9oQ
Nico's sweater looks so comfy
if only it didn't have all the Merc sponsor logos, I would so buy that
So how bad really was alonso's crash?
Could he have died/get seriously injured?
Did he get lucky?
>>66445750
him ending up like this sure helped him i guess
>>66445747
Damn Felipe, going that bald in your 30s...
>>66445852
He's been that bald since his Sauber days
>>66445871
mein gott
>>66442439
vettel, the same guy that lost to a team rookie. nah, vettel is good, but alonso is better. tying with hamilton is not an indication he isn't a great driver. rookie or not, hamilton was already great when he entered f1 and had a lot of experience with the mclaren team. plus, if the driver is talented, getting up to speed in a modern f1 car is not difficult (e.g. max verstappen).
>>66445900
>vettel is worse than ricciardo
when will this meme die
>>66445935
Never because it is true
>tfw the only thing I want more than Vettel being killed is seeing Vettel getting beaten badly
ABV TILL I DIE
>>66445948
I bet your waifu is shit tier
is it going to be another mwl season
or has ferrari caught up?
>>66445956
Hold the fucking phone.
I never said I hated his GF
Hanna is a major qt.
>>66445935
dont get me wrong, vettel is a really good driver and team player, but he was flattered by a trick car and a dinosaur of a team mate whose outdated style did not suite the new f1 cars. the minute ricardo showed up, vettel looked more like an average front end driver than a four time world champion.
>>66446024
Just like Trulli did with Alonso, right?
>>66445965
Ferrari stands a chance at any track where the medium tire is a shit option.
>>66446024
you should compare vettel's lines in 2014 to his lines in 2015, and then tell me that his 2014 performance was indicative of his actual skill level
>>66446079
You don't even need to get that complicated. Just look at any aspect of his driving in the first half of 2012.
Or, even easier, just look at Wobbler's position relative to him in the drivers' standings after Silverstone, and then again after Brazil. Vettel sucking ass in 2014 is something everyone should've seen coming from a mile away.
>>66446059
trulli is an amazing driver. i think if he had come into f1 under the current era, his sublime style would have seen him up in the front regularly.
>>66446067
>Ferrari stands a chance at any track where the medium tire is a shit option.
why is that why would soft or hards be to their advantage?
>>66446132
And the same currently goes for Ricciardo, who just so happens to be one of the best drivers in the field right now.
In both cases, it's not a relevant indication of the performance of the defeated tier 1 driver.
>>66446161
Mercedes have done all 8 days of testing in 2016 solely on the medium compound. That's more than the entire calendar's worth of race distance on the same exact compound.
Them being insane on it is pretty much expected at this point. On other compounds, nowhere near as much, as seen via Vettel and Raikkonen's pace prior to the red flag.
>>66446161
Because Mercedes has shown their cars to be uncontested winners on medium tires. They were having a hard time on the softs and super softs though.
>>66446177
>>66446181
hmmmm ok
#PRAYFORSUPERSOFTS
then
>>66446079
to be honest, new f1 is too boring for me to analyze drivers lines, but the driver is the one that ultimately picks the racing lines that he thinks will help him most, so i dont see why that is an evidence.
>>66446177
the argument was not that vettel is a bad driver. the point that is being made is that if vettel had a rival in the class of ricardo and alonso in the same car, he would not be a 4 time world champion.
>>66446203
A driver's lines can be easily harmed by unwanted behavior caused by the car being defined by a specific set of regulations. Drivers like Vettel (early 2012, or his obscenely high tyre wear in 2014) and Button (who specifically says the pace-dominant MP4-27 of 2012 is the worst car he's ever driven) have a hard time adapting to this.
Drivers like Alonso, on the other hand, make up for this by forcing cars to continue to behave the way they want them to, as opposed to simply allowing the car to be developed in a way that maximizes its pace for that set of regulations. Problem is, this very approach of his limited the performance of his #5 F2012 so much that Massa, of all the people, outpaced him in equal machinery in the second half and nearly outqualified him in India despite Alonso having boatloads of upgrades.
>>66446273
That argument is irrelevant, because the Vettel of early 2012 and 2014 is not the same by any stretch of the imagination as the Vettel from 2010, 2011, 2013 and especially the second half of 2012.
>>66446203
the things that changed in the cars between 2013 and 2014 were all things that went directly against vettel's driving style, and it took him a while to adjust his style to suit the new cars
>>66446273
but he beat alonso with a worse car
>>66446203
Well you can look at it this way. If the car is better, you can push it harder and have really aggressive lines. Racing is very mental so if a driver feels good it tends to show.
>>66446273
I don't think anyone else would have exploited the EBD better than Vettel, not Ricciardo, not Alonso, not Hamilton. Vettel deserved every one of his WDC's
>>66446273
Ricciardo can't beat JEV or Kvyat
there's no way Mateschitz would just sit on the three best drivers in the world and risk his teams losing multiple championships by keeping Webber instead of them.
>>66446330
another recent example of this is Bottas
in 2014 he managed pretty ideal lines despite the car having zero downforce
in 2015 the car was markedly harder to drive and it showed
going for a cheeky HAM ROS RAI in badgergp lads
>>66446432
Massa struggled with that even more in 2015, as yet another example.
>>66446289
it is a sad indication of the current era when drivers are faulted for driving over the capabilities of the car. in the past that was an indication of a great driver. if what you want to see is a driver that will drive the car just like the engineers want the car to be driven, you might as well hand over the driving to a driving program that will do it better.
>>66446559
>in the past that was an indication of a great driver.
wrong
>>66446330
ok, so he was pushing hard, but apparently he is not as good at pushing cars as ricardo or alonso. that is a negative in my book. vettel only races by committee, he does exactly what his engineers tell him to do, and if the car is fast, he will be fast.
>>66446636
>apparently he is not as good at pushing cars as ricardo or alonso.
what a load of rubbish. Vettel is possibly the best qualifier on the grid, certainly way above Alonso as well as Ricciardo
>>66446559
>the capabilities of the car
Those capabilities are created through their own limitations, as, again, Alonso showed in 2012 when he threw the title away.
>in the past that was an indication of a great driver
So people have their own, usually flawed, ways in which they interpret performance and everything that goes into it? That's nothing new.
Also, that hasn't been the norm for the last 2 decades at the absolute least. If you want to go back another one, Prost's the only one who even comes close to being one such exception, and he, too, had his limits compared to Senna, Piquet and Mansell.
>if what you want to see is a driver that will drive the car just like the engineers want the car to be driven, you might as well hand over the driving to a driving program that will do it better.
To be fair, that's exactly why I no longer watch any 4-wheel motorsport other than F1. Drivers in other categories are so far off the limit that it's laughable.
I'd also love to see those driving programs you speak of once they're brought to a high enough level.
>>66446559
its impossible to drive beyond the capabilities of the car, whats possible is driving the car in a way that exploits its characteristics better than anyone originally thought was possible, but if someone does that then thats down to a bad estimate of the car's characteristics rather than exceptional driving
>>66446636
he is better at pushing (as in driving fast?) than ricciardo and alonso, but when he doesn't understand why the car is doing something unexpected or when he doesn't know how the car will react to a certain input (ie not having confidence), he can't drive as fast as he could if it did what he expected, just like any other driver in any series ever
>>66446613
being able to drive above the limits if the car is an necessary skill set that drivers should have. sure, it is not always the fastest way around a track all the time, but in a championship fight with closely matched vehicles, one's ability to over drive the car and make the difference is what champions do. but in today f1 where drivers are coached by race engineers and are told to drive to a delta, that aspect of the sport is dead and that is why the "sport" is out of f1 and the reason fans are turning away.
>>66446743
maybe he lacks car control. yet another negative.
>>66446749
>sure, it is not always the fastest way around a track all the time
It is never the fastest way around a track
>>66446749
>above the limits
There is no such thing as 'above the limits' unless you, as an outside figure, are taking your own limited observations of what a car is and isn't capable of way too seriously.
>and that is why the "sport" is out of f1 and the reason fans are turning away
And that's what we call delusion. Combined with speaking in other people's place, sure, but largely delusion.
>>66446780
he doesn't though? he makes far fewer mistakes than most other drivers
>>66446749
>sure, it is not always the fastest way around a track all the time, but in a championship fight with closely matched vehicles, one's ability to over drive the car and make the difference is what champions do
so what you're saying is what makes the difference in a championship fight is driving slower?
I can only imagine what /spee/ would have said about Jim Clark. He was very smooth, very controlled, and very very quick. I have a feeling he would have been torn to pieces here because he didn't 'appear' to be trying very hard.
>>66446799
i dont know if you know, but things are engineered to a limit, but those limits can be surpassed in the real world. if a car is designed to handle a certain gforce, or brake x meters before turning into a corner, it is possible for a driver to past those limits and give engineers a new target for future designs.
>>66446889
please stop posting fellow Ameriburger, you're making us look bad.
>>66446920
dont be ashamed of looking bad. nothing will get done if you are ashamed of looking bad
>>66446889
>>66446833
if you push the car at the wrong stage in the race, then you will risk the rest of the race. but when the time comes to put the hammer down, burn all the rubber you got and break away from the rest, then you be good at driving at the limit and over the limit long enough to make a difference.
>>66446978
are you telling me that driver evolution did not in any way affect the evolution of f1 cars?
This whole discussion has me wondering. Is Nico Rosberg a carbabby?
>>66447024
are you doing this on purpose
>>66447069
imo lewis hamilton is a bigger carbabby but the mercedes has been more of a lewis hamilton car than a nico rosberg car up until the end of last year
>>66447099
Ok fair enough, so then I guess we can agree there will never be a carbabby bigger than Jacques Villeneuve?
>>66447069
car babies the whole lot of them. f1 is dead. it is no longer a sport, but a demonstration.
>>66447069
i don't think so. he got a few podiums and a fairly dominant win in those mediocre Mercs they had 2010-2012 (and two wins in the good 2013 Merc, but the on-track success of that car owes a lot to having Lewis and Nico as its drivers)
if anything i think Nico is quite underrated because there is that spectre of being a "carbabby" hanging about him, that he wouldn't be a contender without that car but that's true for nearly every champion
>>66444940
>Kubica survived this
>later he ruins his F1 career with a hand injury at a rallye race
it's not fair
>>66447914
Yeah, I just learned about this guy today and it gave me the feels...
isnt monza a historic race? how could they replace that with vegas when usa already has a race anyway?
>>66446502
>going for a RAI
>ever
>>66440337
>>66440408
What a sad loss for racing.
RIP Dan.
>>66448190
Because Ecclestone...
Lets have some fun lads
Ultra hardcore fans not allowed
Can you point on the map the correct geographic location of all the 21 races?
>>66448203
You're so right... His 7 podiums on that exact track would not indicate any kind of succes going into the weekend
>>66448253
>>66448297
lel
>>66448253
>primary school-level busy work
>"fun"
>>66448375
You only say that because you dont even know which country is which
>>66448473
YEAH FUCK YOU BRAZIL
YOU GUYS ARE DUMB TOO
>>66448052
>>66445164
you are my favorite person in /f1/
>>66448510
He's still innocent.
>>66448052
are u greece from hoc?
>>66448473
yeah, i do
>>66448565
double points for mclelren
>>66448565
rain in 5 min.
>>66448654
>rain
>>66448565
Lewis saying: "I CAN'T PASS THIS GUY!"
I set a 1:23.7 last night, guys
>>66448565
ferrari has tire trouble
>>66448930
Isn't that a temporary circuit? How long do they usually keep it up?
>>66448966
it's temporary, yeah
but it takes a while to take it all down lel, they've only mostly disassembled the section between turn 8-14 at the moment
>>66448565
replays of different cars locking up in turn 9-10 shown consecutively
>>66448565
Nico hit me!
>>66441090
>>66447148
>>66446514
I didn't really notice much difference between Massa mid 2014 and Massa mid 2015, but he did seem to struggle more than Bottas at most circuits, for sure
>>66448565
engine fireworks
>>66439932
>be driving f1 car in rfactor 2
>driving in practice session, have drs open on straight
>forget that it's open, enter flat out sweeper
>have almighty accident
>>66448565
commentators deride the state of F1
the Renault looks so dank
>>66450361
even when it's being a backmarker
>>66448569
you forgot poo-land
>>66450365
btfo
>>66450361
true
how did you spent lent lads
>>66450436
in la malvinas celebrating how good it is to be british 8^)
>>66450439
rude
/f1/ would you date a girl who doesn't care for motorsports? I am dating one right now, she was fucking around with puzzles and reading while I was watching HAMROSVES. Only upside is that she can keep quiet.
>>66450648
mine didn't get up for the latest ROSHAMVET, she finds it boring but whenever we watch together she doesn't complain and makes me explain stuff to her. 's alright
>>66450648
I'd date any girl desu. But really, that wouldn't affect me.
>>66450648
>>66450759
>dating a cis girl and not a qt trap
>>66448565
Brundle tells an irrelevant story about his time as a driver.
>Bingo changed from HAAS scores points to HAAS scores no points in 1 race
#FeeltheHaas
>>66448565
Safety car, since it's so rare in Bahrain.
>>66450766
> britain
>>66450740
It just saddens me that she isn't interested. We don't have a lot in common anyway, she's so loveable though.
>>66450826
Tegenpolen trekken elkaar aan mein Freund with the funny language
>>66450878
I suppose that's true, mijn vriend with the konsistente Sprache.
JEJ
E
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rip sauber
>>66450970
HAHAHAHAH
>CURRY TITS
Fuck this team they deserve it.
How the fuck can you even let it get this bad? She's literally a lawyer therefore supposed to be good with shit like this. Maybe not finance but you don't need to be genius to realize when shit is fucking up
in b4
>Bernie buys them out
Do you think anyone will buy out Sauber?
>>66451017
I guess Audi won't buy a shit like this either.
RIP
>>66450970
Just hire another pay-driver to pay the debts
>>66450826
>It just saddens me that she isn't interested.
Most girls I've had weren't interested in any sport, that shouldn't matter.
>>66451028
It's really funny that they're so much in debt. They even finished unnaturally high last year due to McLaren.
The 2016 Sauber seems equally bad as the 2015 was at the end of the season when all the teams had out-developed them. Except this time they don't even have the money to keep up development meaning they will literally finish behind Manor (thanks to a cheeky Manor P9 in some rainfest race somewhere)
I've wondered for a long time why they are even in the sport anymore. They're shit and have no money and don't seem to care. Whats the point? To have the priviledge of working with great future GOATS like Ericsson and Nasr?
