If the Warriors keep winning, is Lebron destined to be remembered as nothing more than a transitional period between Kobe/Duncan's era and the Curry era?
Think Isiah Thomas (an all time great in his own right) winning two titles between Bird/Magic and Michael Jordan's run.
And before you cite MVPs, putting up big stats in the regular season is not the primary criteria of grading all time greats.
>Kobe era
lol
>>65883048
kobe era? you mean shaq, duncan, nash, and wade era?
>Kobe era
>1 (one) MVP
>implying it wasn't Duncan/Shaq->LeBron
>>65883076
>nash/wade
>in the same tier as Duncan and Shaq
shiggy diggy doo
>>65883064
It clearly says Kobe/Duncan
>>65883076
Shaq should be included too, you're right.
>>65883089
last time I checked the heat won in 06 due to wade and nash has more mvps than shaq :^)
>>65883064
>>65883076
>>65883080
Not even a Kobe fan, but the dude was on a different planet than anyone else in the league from '07 - '11 and went back to back with a less talented cast than LeBron, Wade or even Duncan.
>kobe era
>not amare era
Lmao
>>65883100
>Nash has more MVPs than Shaq
Lel there was no point of giving it to Shaq every year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahXKVKT4e4
>>65883100
>the heat won in 06 due to wade
was one of the refs named Wade? sorry I don't remember that series that well :^)
>>65883080
>implying the MVP isn't a popularity contest
>implying the GOAT didn't say Kobe was the only one who could compare to him
>>65883103
m8.... he had phil jackson as coach, along with pau, 6th moty odom who couldve been the first 7 foot point guard, dpoty ron artest, a good as fuck bynum, and a fuck ton of 3 point shooters
>>65883115
>argument from authority
Jordan knew that Kobe is just a lite version of him and he'd win every comparison hands down. of course he'd want people comparing them
>Gasol/Bynum/Odom is worse than the crappy Cavs supporting cast
Nice b8
>>65883115
Well obviously since Kobe is the only good SG other than Wade during that era..
Kobe was only the undisputed best in the league for maybe 3 years.. and he didn't deserve MVP that year he won
>>65883100
>Nash has more MVPs than Shaq
If anything, that just shows what a joke the award is
>>65883115
>trusting Jordan to evaluate NBA talent
Bruh think about what you just said
>>65883136
I think he meant the Heat
>>65883123
>having a good coach and system discredits your contributions
>Bynum, Odom and Artest never experienced an ounce of success away from Kobe
It was an okay cast and they fit well, but you can't say they were good players when they weren't even viable bench players for other teams.
Hell, Andrew Bynum is 28 years old and fell out of the league immediately after the Lakers.
>>65883048
but not to completely ruin your thread, I think lebron will easily be remembered as having his own era. 2010-2015(?) is easily considered his and if they win it this year, people will completely forget curry exists.
>>65883170
>OK cast
Gasol shut down and outplayed prime Dwight in the finals who was murdering every one in the league that year. He was a top 10 player easily. Before coming to LA he was dragging terrible Grizzly teams.
>>65883158
Fair point
>>65883048
>Kobe/Duncan's
If you're going to put Kobe, might as well put Shaw, Garnett, Nowitzki, etc.
>>65883170
>a Defensive Player of the Year
>a 6th Man of the Year
>a 20/10 PF (who arguably should've been the FInals MVP in 2010)
>a future 20/10 C
>you can't say they were good players
get the fuck out of here lmao
Never, in his entire career, has Duncan been the best player in the league.
LeBron has.
LeBron is the Wes Unseld of our time
>>65883249
>Never, in his entire career, has Duncan been the best player in the league.
>there are ""people"" who think the best defender in the league who averaged 25/13/4 was not the best player in the league
>>65883271
Yeah, a majority of people.
>>65883249
I'd give Duncan 2003. KG was close behind Duncan just had a bigger impact that year.
>>65883282
sucks to be wrong for the majority then
>leaving Pat Riley for the clown show organization in Cleveland
I hope LeBron's nostalgia kick is treating him well.
>>65883315
Given Bosh's health problems he would have been screwed this year and last year. Zero chance at a title without and who knows if he's even going to play again
>>65883048
>If the Warriors keep winning, is Lebron destined to be remembered as nothing more than a transitional period between Kobe/Duncan's era and the Curry era?
You're essentially saying that Lebron had his era without actually saying it.
>>65883357
yeh, in the same Isiah Thomas did which isn't saying a lot compared to Jordan, Magic/Bird, Kobe/Duncan
>>65883115
>Jordan is a good evaluator of talent
>>65883368
Isiah Thomas never had the impact Lebron had. Shit, if Lebron can get a championship in Cleveland, there's no point to him playing basketball ever again as his legend would be set.
>>65883393
>if Lebron can get a championship in Cleveland
that's one of the biggest "ifs" I've ever seen with the way the Warriors and the Spurs are playing
>>65883403
Come on you know it's all about getting one for The Land.
>>65883346
Bosh has been out since the break. The Heat are playing good ball right now. Pat Riley would have built properly around LeBron and had a culture in place to continue winning. How long have you been following the NBA? Not trying to be a dick but it sounds kind of like you're a newish fan.
>>65883403
That's kind of the point though. Lebron is seen as trying to do the impossible now that the Warriors have hit dominance and the Spurs are still the Spurs. If he can pull it off this year (he wont), he would have one of the better storylines in history.
>>65883140
There's Iverson, arguably Marbury - let's not forget Carter, McGrady as well in the 2000s. If you're talking about the current decade, it's still not quite over yet. The 2000s may be in the bottom rung of the NBA decades, save for the 50s and 70s, but saying that there weren't any good players comparable to Bryant in it is quite a stretch.
>>65883170
Ron Artest and Lamar Odom were actually good players before joining the lakers. Odom was a 17 and 10 forward and Ron Artest when healthy was averaging 18 points along with his defense.
Bynum was trash though
>>65883430
Guaranteed longer than you. Stop acting like Riley is some savant. The Heat team was on the severe decline LeBron's last year, the team was old and had peaked. Not to mention they continued to run that hard trapping aggressive defense with one of the oldest teams in the league and one with Wade who's body can't take the punishment.
Plus the Heat are still a mediocre team and that's with having Whiteside out of nowhere.
Plus you never count on Wade to finish out the season healthy.
>>65883430
Are a fucking dense? Every reliable source says the Bosh situation is worse than the Hear are letting on. There's a real possibility his career is over.
>>65883506
I'm saying the Heat are playing good ball without him right now. Read.
>>65883110
I absolutely agree with Shaq on that point. How does Shaq + Kobe have as many MVPs combined as Steve "Defense is a waste of time" Nash?
He was an offensive pace babby and the MVP voters fell for the meme every single year.
>>65885123
because shaq was a lazy fuck who never trained at all in the offseason and didnt try in the regular season.
and kobe is just a shitty meme chucker anyway.
>Kobe
Why do people talk about him? As much as a buster as LeBron is he's miles better than Kobe
>cuckhoop
>>65883076
>Nash
Fucker never even made it to a single nba finals. There was no Nash era.
Lebron was the best player on the league from 2008 to 2014. Thats a pretty long time to be the outright best player with no real challengers. Curry has only been good for 2 years.
Lebron didn't have a big enough rivalry to be remembered, and isn't successful enough to be remembered individually. I blame Durant 2bh, should have been a duel for years between them.
This meme needs to end LeBron is much better than kobe or curry
Who?
>>65887978
Lebron and the Spurs?
Met in the Finals 3 times and one of those was possibly the best Finals series ever
>>65883048
>If the Warriors keep winning, is Lebron destined to be remembered as nothing more than a transitional period between Kobe/Duncan's era and the Curry era?
>
>Think Isiah Thomas (an all time great in his own right) winning two titles between Bird/Magic and Michael Jordan's run.
>
>And before you cite MVPs, putting up big stats in the regular season is not the primary criteria of grading all time greats.
Easy answer, yes.
And this is why there are so many angry LelBron fans right now
>>65883048
>nothing
He stil won championships and he literally makes teams better by himself alone
He's the greatest athlete the world
>>65883115
>>implying the MVP isn't a popularity contest
IGGY must be really popular then
>there are """""people""""" who think Kobe isnt top 5 despite having proved himself after the 3peat years
Kill yourselves you jealous fucking autists
>>65890878
top 5 of what? of the 00s? all time Lakers?
The Steven Adams era is coming
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>>65890878
dude kobe is borderline top 15
LBJ makes any team into a contender, how many other players can lay claim to the same?
TimmyD?
>no finals without admiral, pops and/or manu/parker/kawhi
Kobe?
>no finals without shaq/gasol or phil jackson
MJ?
>no finals without phil jackson and pippen
Curry?
>no finals without draymond/klay and kerr
LEBRON
>carries a dead team to the finals, carries a bunch of nobodies to the finals
No other player can individually lay claim to making a team that much better. They're all team babbys.
Best player in the league 00-15:
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Garnett
2004: Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Kobe
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: LeBron
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: LeBron
2015: Curry
To be honest, 2014 Durant is better than current Curry.
>>65892217
Those teams all played in stacked divisions. Lebron has only faced adversity a handful of times in the East and the last half a decade has had a free pass to the finals.
>>65892483
>Those teams all played in stacked divisions.
Yet the Lakers and Spurs were the only teams reliably winning chips. If those teams were so good, how come it was only the Lakers and Spurs winning Chips? Also MJ did not play in a stacked division by any stretch of the imagination.
>le free pass
You can't claim any of those other players would have done any better is the point. You can only claim they would win the Finals with a stacked team, just like LeBron has done twice already.
>>65892217
my sides. Lebronfags are getting so desperate they're trying to portray making the finals in the worst conference to ever exist as a GOAT achievement.
At least they've already faced reality and realised that he's not going to win "ONE FOR DA LAND" with the way Warriors and Spurs are looking and are trying to steer the discussion in another direction.
This is just like Brady and football, saying anything other than he is a god among men triggers people. The guy is a great player but in terms of team dynasty (what this thread is about) he is behind Kobe and Duncan and could potentially finish behind Curry. He was drafted in 2003 and made six finales, five in a row 2-4 overall (2-2 heat 0-2 Cavs). during that time Duncan's Spurs have made 5 (won 4, 2-1 against Lebron) and Kobe's Lakers have made 4 (2-2 record).
now for the comparison to Thomas
Drafted in 81 he made the finales 3 times in a row winning 2. Magic during that time made 9 finals, going 5-4 (losses against Thomas, Jordan, Bird, and a Mosses Malone sixers team). Bird went to five (3-2, 1-2 vs Magic)
and for completions sake Jordan's first 3-peat came during Thomas's last seasons Curry has won his first and appears on his way to his second during Lebron's last years.
TL;DR Lebron should have made like Kobe and got traded out of the shithole that drafted him as a rookie. His lower than perfect status is on his initial loyalty to Cleveland.
>>65893057
>doesn't change the fact none of your elite players did shit without a stacked team
>>65893469
>making the finals in a piss poor east
>an achievement
pick one
>>65893539
>same piss poor east that won multiple finals during the elite west's prime years
The Heat, Celtics and Pistons all won a chip during the era dominated by the Lakers and Pistons
What happened to your elite West then?
You'll do or say anything to defend your team babby stars.
>>65893615
>by the Lakers and Pistons
*Lakers and Spurs
>>65893615
how are 04 Pistons, 06 Heat and 08 Celtics relevant when 5 of Lebron's 6 Finals appearances came in 11-now?
I-it's an achievement because the Pistons were good 10 years ago. lmao Lecrab dickriders are getting increasingly desperate
>>65893672
>5 of Lebron's 6 Finals
that one you leave out is kinda important since you know, it came in a not piss poor east on a PISS PISS PISS POOR team that lebron carried all by himself to the finals. literally 1 v 5 style
>>65893702
That 07 one was definitely an achievement. Not an achievement that puts his career on par with Duncan and the others but an achievement nevertheless.
Still, this Cavs team gets a bad rap. They weren't world beaters but they had some good defenders and hustle players, they were top 3 in defensive efficiency IIRC and that was way before Lebron's defensive prime so don't give me that "it's because Lebron played defense 1v5 bullshit"
>>65893750
I'm sorry but that was all Lebron. None of those guys were anything defensively before or after Lebron showed up.
>>65893799
>after Lebron showed up
after he left i mean
>>65893469
Neither did yours
>>65891061
LeBrick is the eternal GOAT
>>65892217
Allen Iverson
>>65893876
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5CJfRxaUJs
based Skip with the banter
>>65893851
Carrying a team of nobodies to the finals in a hard East featuring a Piston's nucleus that went to and won a Finals in 2/3 of the previous years? Tell me who in the West ever did anything anywhere close to comparable. Go on, we'll wait.
>>65893894
Don't forget he had Mutombo and Ratliff to protect the rim. Those two averaged over 6 blocks per game combined. Lebron had no where near that level of help on the defensive end.
