Why is this not a thing yet? Oh who the hell cares it is now. Thoughts?
Why has the conversation on NFL relocation been dominated by the Chargers and Rams? The Raiders need the new stadium the most
>>64714149
The Raiders can't afford a stadium and nobody is going to build a stadium just for the Raiders.
The Rams and possibly the Chargers could fund a stadium so that's why they're the major players in this.
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2016-01/23763808665200-05180540.pdf
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>SHIT LOUIS BTFO
>>64714370
>Oakland
>viable
I still laugh
>>64714149
Yeah and the Raiders are the most popular team in LA
Wait so the Rams and chargers would share a stadium?
>>64714393
Most of that report is wrong. All you have to do is walk the streets of LA to see who the most popular team is
I have not ONCE ever seen anyone wear a rams jersey ever. I've seen more 49er jerseys (in fact I see 49er gear on a daily basis on the Metro) than Rams jerseys
Pls vote
http://strawpoll.me/6457364/
>>64714406
>I have not ONCE ever seen anyone wear a rams jersey ever.
Obviously. People don't even like to wear them in St. Louis.
>>64714393
They clearly only had the poll in white communities... you go down to Brown Town and it's all silver and black
>>64714406
>>64714446
Is this head in sand, you stupid piece of shit?
Bring the Rams or Chargers here. I am excited to see their fans get stabbed by the local pissed off Raider natives
Rams please come to Portland
>>64714455
>I am excited to see their fans get stabbed by the local pissed off Raider natives
Which is the whole reason the Raiders aren't moving back
>>64714495
Giants fans get stabbed here routinely
We'll make sure non-Raider fans are going to get fucking rocked
Look at the Laker-Warrior game right now. 100% Laker fans and Warrior fans are getting booed
>>64714514
Lol he's going full chimpout mode
All of LA wants the Raiders back. They are the NFL Lakers.
In Oakland, they are the Bay Area Clippers. Why does the Bay Area need 2 NFL teams? Why does STL or SD need to lose their team
>>64714370
Why haven't LA Raider fans refuted this yet?
>>64714688
>don't get replies in one relocation thread
>Better shitpost in another!
el gay spics everyone
>>64714828
Because "they" have nothing else but facebook maps at this point
"They" get proved wrong with literally every link they post in support of the raiders moving
Just curious but does the general public in la even care?
What about 5 years from now when they get a team ?
>>64714350
That's why the Raiders want to share a Stadium with the Rams or Chargers
>>64714514
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/01/06/video-lakers-fan-changes-warriors-jersey
Or this happened
>>64714370
It's happening.
Thank you based Stan.
Ill miss you Rams. I never even got to see a home game. Ironically because i was living in LA the last few years
How does supporting a "franchise" work? Do you support the city or the franchise? If you were from San Diego and supported the Chargers will you still support them if they become the Los Angeles Chargers, or if a new team came to San Diego would you support the new team instead?
>what it should be
>1. Raiders
Way too fucking close to SF and they used to play in LA anyway
>2. Chargers
Trouble filling stadium and they are already in Cali anyway
>3. Rams
Have a legacy built already and we don't need another fucking Cali team
>>64715589
most of the time you support your local team but since LA is only 100 miles away from SD die hards might still drive into LA to see their charges play
>>64715630
>we dont need another cali team
fuck off you false flagging Idahoan CA neets 3 more teams at the minimum
>>64714370
>I'm going to lose my team because Stan was able to muster up enough bullshit to appease the NFL overlords
Fuck this corrupt system
Teams should be owned by owners and the cities not solely the owners
>>64715668
If that were the case, the Rams never would've left Cleveland and the Browns would've died with the AAFL.
Maybe your plan would work after all...
>>64714828
Because they are just spouting it without proof
If Stan releases the research papers that claim he has apparently 50%+ of the market waiting then he would not even need a owners meeting
NFL likes to do their business in a clean fast matter
The fact that he even called Oakland a viable and potentially bigger market than San Francisco is downright hilarious and false .
We steal your team holmes
So wait its either 2 of them? Could it be possible all 3 go to LA?
>>64714514
Found your facebook bruh
profile.php?id=100004053132728
>>64715794
la could probably handle three teams but then two of the teams would be in the same conference, and it's against the NFL bi-laws to have two teams in one city share a conference
If the world was a just world and the NFL wasn't filled with moneywhoring Jews/horrid owners the only team to move to LA would be the Raiders with the NFL helping fund a stadium without making another team play in it. With a second option, although dumb is the raiders/rams moving to LA which would make the Rams basically Jets 2.0 which have no fan majority anywhere in any county except much worse because California is full with state rivalries so odds are Rams fans showing pride in LA and surrounding areas would get stabbed unlike Jets fans in NY/NJ.
But in the unfair world odds are San Diego is going to get screwed out of their chargers a market they already own, the Rams are going to lose any hold on any place they have fans at and instead become a much shittier version of Jets 2.0, and the Raiders LAs real team is going to end up having their stadium collapse on themselves and the NFL pull up records on how the SF 49ers stadium was made to hold 2 different teams if the case ever arises and the raiders are now located in SF and renamed into the California Raiders in an attempt to keep their fanbase in Oakland and LA which will work since the Raiders is the only real team in those markets.
>>64714455
As this image shows. Jets, no fans. That'll be the rams in LA.
with the amount of betting in pro sports now Vegas should get a team just so an NFL office is close to the Strip.
they do have like 2000000 metro area citizens and not a single team other than U.N.LEL.V.
lots of new territory for naming as well
I'd call them the Sinners and align the divisions to be with the Saints
>>64715955
They're getting an NHL team in a year or two, that'll be good enough for pro sports in Vegas
>>64715955
>vegas sinners
Youre pathetic. LA has more people in it than most states. Thats why the league is pushing so hard for a team there. The market is absurdly huge.
>>64715980
their fans are shit, the city has so much in terms of stimulation that nobody will spend $200 for a football ticket. this has been proven twice
>based Stan opening up his wallet and slapping his dick across Goodell's face
>Shit Louis tears for the forseeable future
>Raiders confirmed shipped off to barcelona because povertyland can't afford a stadium
>mfw my team stays in San Diego
TYBS
>>64715955
i live in vegas. trust me a sports team wouldnt work here. most people are tourists and they dont want to spend money on sports teams they want to gamble and go clubbing. the only team vegas needs are the rebels bball. most vegans dont go near the strip and wouldnt be about a sports team. we're sin city not sports city. all the money we needs comes from tourists
>>64715980
Ha no we aren't
I'm a actual resident of Las Vegas
I cheer for the Dodgers , lakers , raiders and soon our NHL team if it all works out.
We don't want a NFL team here because it would not work , not for another 10 years at least . A basketball team and NHL team would do just fine
Dodgers are too popular here to allow a MLB team to just spring up and Broncos/Raiders/Cowboys/Cardinals have the largest fanbase here .
So is there any chance any of these teams move to a city other than LA?
>>64716019
>ticket sales
Its about merchandising you ignorant fool. 11 million people will be wearing a rams jersey within 5 years
>>64716242
>RamFags believe this
The most people wore a cap back in the day, at the very least. Rams never seriously advertised themselves whereas the raiders were a brand.
I lived in San Bernardino in 89-96
Rams weren't as popular as the raiders especially when NWA's popularity peaked but I won't lie and say they didn't have fans because they sure did.
The problem is they were so horribly managed you couldn't tell if they were tying to even advertise their image. I expect the same thing again.
>>64716477
Towards the end of their time in LA, the Rams owner tried actively to make the team bad to deflate attendance because she wanted an excuse to move the team to her hometown.
>>64714406
When I was 10, my dad took me to a sports apparel store (in Louisiana) to get me a saints jersey but they didn't have any for some reason, but they did have a Mark Brunell jersey and I got that instead just so I could own a jersey lmao
>3 teams moving into one city
>The owners legitimately believe they'll all profit from it when the reality is only one team will become the favorite while the other two are ignored
>>64716562
The Raiders already have a shit ton of fans in LA without them being here. Nothing will change if they move or not
>>64716562
I haven't heard anyone seriously consider a Three-Team proposal. It's either the Rams go, or the Raiders and Chargers split a stadium. Not both.
>>64716575
Which is why I said one team. I knew at the very least, only the Raiders would find success in LA. The Chargers were already a small market team to begin with will only become more irrelevant and the Rams might have a following but it'll be eclipsed by the Raiders. It's stupid and these men are rich enough that they should know a bad business deal when they see it.
>>64716562
Raiders and Rams would seriously profit from it especially when the younger and part of the older generation would love a raiders team while the older generation would love the Rams back
Chargers do not have a fanbase which confuses me on why spanos would even bother to come here
>>64715955
you have a AAA baseball team and you had a AA hockey team a while back
>>64716042
I thought locals hated the tourist infested casinos and wanted something non gambling to do. That said I can understand not wanting to see a baseball game when it is 120 outside
>>64716646
He is afraid of the Rams stealing his LA fanbase(which doesn't even exist)
>>64716242
>>64716477
the real cash in in TV advertising deals and getting fat slobs to watch jack in the box ads. Jerseys pale in comparison to the d0yers TV rights bill
>>64716646
>>64716756
25% of chorgers STHs live in LA country although it is still a dumb reason to piss off your other 75% of ticket holders
there will be at least half a dozen more murders per season at or around the stadium/gametime if the raidniggers come back to LA
>>64716842
>Raiders/Niners games twice a year
How many people die in the first five years?
>>64716560
The fuck is this? True life: I'm an autist
Nobody gives a fuck dude
>>64716560
Who dat
>>64714455
This map is wrong strictly on the fact that nowhere in NC is there redskins or steelers colors.
>>64716877
not counting mexicans, maybe 2 :^)
>>64716019
The thing about the landscape of LA sports is way different than it was in the 80s. LA fans will always love sports, on top of the fact that there's 18 million people.
For example Hockey is a fucking meme in this city followed only by transplants and hipsters and the Kings and Ducks still get middle of the pack attendance wheras a team like Winnipeg has to sell out their whole fucking city just to get the same numbers.
Also the landscape for sports is changing. The Lakers are being run into the garbage can and could bad for a long time unless they strike gold in the lottery this year. The Clippers are perennial one-and-dones. The Dodgers are losing their stars, and the Angels have been a relative failure.
The fervor of having the NFL back in LA could sweep up a huge amount of casuals and bandwagoners who are losing interest in other sport, especially after Kobe retires.
>the city of St. Loius
Any chance of the Seahawks going back to the AFC if the Raiders/Chargers move?
>Raider/Seahawk rivalry reignites
>get to play chicken parm twice a year, assuming he'll still be playing
>cardiac arrest games playing against smeth again
I want this to happen senpai
>>64718107
Possibly, but from what I've read, it'll most likely be Arizona
fuck you, Stan
>>64715733
Dude, the sources are cited right there
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2016-01/23763808665200-05180540.pdf
Why can't you fucking read?
Here are the two LA times Polls
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-poll-nfl-los-angeles-20150130-htmlstory.html
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-poll-nfl-team-los-angeles-20150225-htmlstory.html
The CSL and CRA Study are also in public record.
Now, where are the stats refuting the Rams application?
>>64715907
>just world
>business
You've never ran a business have you?
>>64720569
Anyone can fudge online polls, but the eye test and facebook proves that the Raiders belong in Los Angeles
And nice linking the CSL and CRA studies. I bet they don't even exist
Any kind of study that says Oakland is a viable market should be thrown away. I've been to East Oakland. It's not a vibrant area of activity
>>64715881
Rams/raiders it is
>>64720626
Ok, where are YOUR links? Aside from Facebook maps, where are your capitalization reports? Come on, show them
>>64720718
Here you go. Shut the fuck up
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-carson-chargers-raiders-stadium-20150506-story.html
>>64715630
We don't teally have trouble filling the stadium, it's just that we have lots of transplants so it's full of opposing fans.
http://strawpoll.me/6466508
>>64715668
>muh small market
>muh >our team
Can't even fill the building in their last home game. Great "fans" in Shit Louis
Enjoy the methinals and that other furpuck team
welp
>>64714036
rams should go back to their LA color scheme/ unis
>>64722171
Talk about desperation. I guess his report was a bunch of bs
>>64722182
This
I'd take it a step further and go back to wearing the yellow jerseys at home like they did back in the 50s
>>64714370
Fuck St. Louis. Literally the only reason they got the Rams in the first place was simply because their bitchy former owner was from St. Louis.
>>64714455
>rams btfo even of their own state
>Oakland belongs in LA, their fans are already their
>Alabama is part of the whodatnation
As a football fan in LA, I don't really care which team comes to LA.
I just prefer it be one the Patriots will play often enough that I get to watch them live once in a while.
>>64722223
Do you have any data to the contrary that isn't facebook?
And I'm still waiting on the capitalization reports
>>64722399
I have real life and real experiences to back me up. Not to mention this
>>64714455
Now shut the fuck up you stupid Rams shill. The Kroenke report has been thoroughly been debunked
>>64722399
No and same could very much be said about the Rams
So far every report , research they have done is slowly being debunked
LA Raider fans remind me of Seattle Sonics fans trying to take the Sacramento Kings. The same tone. The same references to facebook and random bleacher report references.
Are all West Coast sports fans like this? You guys know how the real world works, right? Money talks, and the Kroenke report is the most detailed and thought out application of the 3 submitted.
Let it go, the Raiders are most likely not coming back to LA. In fact, they've been relatively silent relative to the Chargers and Rams. That speaks volumes.
>>64714455
Why the fuck does Florida have 3 teams?
>>64722442
Ok, show me the capitalization reports.
You've only "debunked" if you can call it that one aspect of the report.
Show me the Carson capitalization reports. Show me their projections.
In fact you can't even find the Chargers and Raiders application in the public record yet. So you're basically talking out of your ass
Every single thing in the Rams application has been sourced. Show me your counter sources.
>>64722446
>LA Raider fans remind me of Seattle Sonics fans trying to take the Sacramento Kings. The same tone. The same references to facebook and random bleacher report references.
this makes no sense
The difference for one is the raiders never changed their name , have championships and his fanbase larger than just the cities they played in.
>>64722499
Show me the capitalization reports
Show me the Raiders and Chargers application
Just show me anything aside from facebook and bleacher report.
Come on LA Raider fans, show me anything. Show me the Raiders application. Show me the Chargers application. Show me the Carson project's projections.
Just do it.
>>64722483
First of all calm down amigo los Rams still have a shot at going to LA. Sounding like a shill there
And do I really need to put a source that debunks Oakland being a better economic city to host a team than San Francisco? Or the other main debunk that said 51% of LA football fans want the Rams when it was just a measly 2000 voters on Twitter
Come on dude wake up the Rams are in full desperation mode and I'm not even a fan of any of the teams I just happen to be in the crossfire
>>64722594
So you can't show me anything.
Ok, there you go.
Talk about waking me the fuck up, you have no sources.
>NFL
>missing a chance to have a team in the 2nd largest market in the US
Pick one
>>64722645
You have no sources neither
I don't have to google "Oakland financially" and "San Francisco financially"
The report had two major points
Oakland can host a city better than San Francisco which is false
And that 51% of la residents wanted the Rams
Again false
Rams are losing this battle , the owner knows it and will pull a al davis because he can . Why you are so upset is the bigger question to me either stan's pockets are big enough to hire desperate shitposter or you are one of the idiots that hasn't been following the situations and bought ram gear in preparation for nothing
Literally nobody in LA wants the Chorgers, despite LA being technically Chorgers territory for more than two decades lel
what a shit franchise
>>64722754
Nice sources you have there.
Raider fans everyone
You've been shitposting Raider shit for a month now, and you're calling ME a shitposter? Go fuck yourself
>>64722900
Okay so you got nothing to back up your claims while mine are found within seconds of a Google search
Thanks for playing hope to see you wearing charger/raider hear on opening day next year
>>64722900
Where the fuck are your sources you fucking Rams virgin?
>>64722754
>Rams are losing this battle
Are you fucking stupid? Or just ignorant?
>>64722900
http://www.usmayors.org/pressreleases/uploads/MetroEcon0608.pdf
Page 67 - in 2008, the Oakland metro division made up 45.2% of San Francisco's MSA's metro economy, while the San Francisco side made up 54.8%
http://usmayors.org/metroeconomies/2014/06/report.pdf
In 2014, the Oakland side only made up 42.3% of the SF MSA economy while SF's side made up 57.7%
So I agree with the other dude - how is OAK better? It took me 5 seconds on google to find this
>>64723112
He's right. Of the 3 teams the Rams have the least incentive to move, most of all being that St. Louis has a new stadium plan in place and it would violate league bylaws to move a team in that situation.
If the Rams move it will be a case of Stan doing it because he's rich enough that he can, and could still pull an Al Davis and sue the league if they try to stop him (which the should).
>>64723118
See page 86
I think the more important statistic is this
Growth rates 2010-2012
San Francisco-Oakland: 3.8% growth (ranked 36)
San Diego: 2.4% (ranked 94)
St. Louis: 1.5% (ranked 168th)
By comparison
Los Angeles: 2.1% (ranked 125th)
But the report is misleading when they were making the comparison of SF and OAK when it should've been between OAK vs. SD vs. STL, by which OAK would still by far be the fastest grower compared to SD and STL
>>64722940
>>64723014
http://usmayors.org/metroeconomies/2014/06/report.pdf
SF-OAK is growing faster than both STL and SD while already having a larger economy. I think that's what the report was trying to get at, albeit worded really poorly.
Still though, the Raiders should move back to LA because all that economic growth would probably mean more 49er corporate sponorship than the Raiders
>>64723274
Of course LA is growing. They're all illegal immigrant spics that won't buy any NFL tickets or merch.
>>64723274
How the fuck is San Francisco growing so much faster than LA?
LA is a much larger city and has a lot more economic opportunity
>>64723184
>least incentive
How about that he and the rest of the league will make more money going to LA than by staying in DinduRiotLand?
That's the only incentive they care about.
>>64723480
Have people never heard of Silicon Valley?
You know that very thing you use to Google? That's a Bay Area product. The tech boom's epicenter is Northern California
Why don't the Raiders just share Levi's Stadium with the 49ers? That Stadium is not in either San Francisco or Oakland.
>>64723527
Do Raider fans really want Yuppie bandwagoners?
I just hope when they get good, if they stay in Oakland 10 yuppies get stabbed every game while checking their portfolio on their smartphone by Raul and Julio.
>>64723184
The fact that Kroenke released this http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2016-01/23763808665200-05180540.pdf
Means he's pretty confident in going to LA. You can't come back from that.
>>64722480
because they have 20 million people
>>64723627
By that logic California has 40 million people, should >we have 6 teams?
>>64723651
We should definitely have 4 at least LA is the 2nd biggest media market in the nation and they have no team
>>64722536
you're talking to the wrong guy here>>64723589
>Yuppie bandwagoners?
Yups financed the new niner stadium under the deal that they would include more luxury boxes and literally appeared for two home games
>>64723612
The crazy fucker's going to build the stadium anyway if the NFL puts off the decision until 2017, effectively stopping the chance of the NFL delaying it.
>>64714370
It's like a high school kid wrote this.
What's the best result for the raiders and raider nation
http://strawpoll.me/6468182
>>64715668
>teams should be owned by the owners and cities
This desu. I'm a Cowboys fan and it sucks having the biggest scumbag in the NFL having complete power over your team. I like how Green Bay does it, where you can buy stock in the team. That's how it needs to be for every team.
Why do you americans call pizza 'pie'?
>>64723937
They don't.
>>64723937
only greasy italian americans do
You know there's absolutely no way the Rams are moving to LA, right?
Everyone knows that the Chargers and Raiders are ahead in voting and have the better plan. STL is literally throwing their GDP at the Rams while Oakland and SD are letting their teams go.
It's going to set a bad precedent if the NFL starts rejecting public money
>the Raiders are LA's team
>they'll be the one to not move there
BRAVO NFL
>>64723937
Why do the Irish call Guinness "good"
>>64724192
>Chargers and Raiders ... have the better plan.
>being this much of a dumbass
Inglewood thoroughly kicks Carson's ass when looked at purely as stadium plans. Carson's literally supposed to be built on a waste dump while Inglewood is in a much more desirable location and shovel-ready right now. Literally only St. Louisans and Dean Spanos think the Carson stadium is even close.
>>64724192
Rams fan here and I hope you're right. The logical solution is the Rams stay in St. Louis with a new stadium, and Kroenke collects rent from the Raiders or Chargers out in Inglewood.
The wild card is that Stan is rich enough to do whatever the fuck he wants, and he could move the Rams despite NFL objections and then pull an Al Davis and sue the league.
tl:dr - I don't know what'll happen with the Rams at this point. Money trumps logic so anything could happen.
>>64724328
See
>>64722594 and >>64722754
Kroenke is desperate and everyone knows it
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25434538/nfl-heavyweights-to-meet-in-new-york-in-advance-of-la-relocation-vote
> However, as long reported, the Carson project is much, much closer, with probably around 18-20 votes. Rams owner Stan Kroenke has had enough votes to block, but that could change between now and an actual vote, with pressure mounting to get this situation resolved and a majority favoring the other project.
>>64724421
more owner support =/= better plan
Carson a shit. Prove me wrong.
>>64724223
why wouldn't they?
>>64724505
Doesn't mean anything if Kroenke is approved to go or not
He's relying on
1) Twitter; and
2) OAK is a better market than SF (LOL!)
He isn't even a factor in the LA Market anymore. I'll commit suicide on cam if the Rams move to LA
>>64716748
Vegas here, we're in the process of building a new AAA stadium in the rich part of town and moving the team out of the hood.
yeah unless there's a concert or to go to work us local avoid the strip like the plague. it's cool for a first date thing but we gamble in bars and off strip casinos where there's a higher payout because their are less machines in the building.
>>64715974
that team is going to be a disaster, the MGM-AEG has no parking, they fucking expect people to park at the New York New York or the Monte Carlo and once they start charging for parking it's going to be a bloodbath.
>>64724539
The Rams are going to LA whether you like it or not.
If the league doesn't approve (which won't happen) he'll pull an Al Davis and go anyway, blowing Shit Louis the fuck out in the process
>>64724765
Whatever you think man.
I'll enjoy my Raiders coming back home. You've again, provided no sources that Kroenke is going to get the OK to move.
>>64724729
>tfw east vegas
well shit I only went to maybe 1 game a year to be honest but still that sucks.
At least cashman still has conventions
>>64724814
I think what he's saying is that Kroenke is going to pull an Al Davis and move whether he gets approval or not.
>>64714430
Only time I've seen someone in a Rams jersey was at Century Link.
After what the Cards have done to the Dodgers in the playoffs in 2013 and 2014 I think it's only right that we steal their football team
>teams can just uproot and change cities
this is why I like soccer more
>>64723717
This is exactly the kind of retardation that gets me mad. LA once had 2 teams, but both left because LA is a meme city.
Any non-expansion football team would join the rest of LA's stolen franchises.
>Lakers
>Clippers
>Dodgers
>Angels
You may get the Chargers by virtue of them being the most poorly ran organization in the NFL, not because you deserve one.
>>64726465
>Angels
what? They're were always part of the LA area
>>64726362
Nobody asked for your shit opinion
>>64726465
>Angels
They were born in LA and moved to Anaheim
You clearly know nothing
>>64726362
>>64727519
>>64727428
>implying anyone in LA gives a shit about the angels
Absolutely no one here considers the Angels an LA team. The fact that have to leech off LA's name shows how shitty and irrelevant they and Orange County are. They should be named the Anaheim Angels.
Don't worry the team will leave in another 5-10 years when the shallow LA fans fail to show up regularly
>>64731748
Nice cop out
I looked at the Raiders, Chargers and Rams twitters
Why haven't the Raiders posted about relocation?
>>64731748
>>Absolutely no one here considers the Angels an LA team.
by definition they are a LA team and they have some fans in long beach but not many.
They are called a LA team because they represented LA in their origins and now represent the nicer side of LA.
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim , Los Angeles , California
>>64732616
What can they say?
"Well golly gee guess what guys we're going back to LA , maybe , possibly ,most likely and I know it will affect some of you while for(cont)"
"the others it will be business as usual. Go Raiders"
>>64733358
>>64732616
Holy shit actually I just noticed something
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/684872122351628293
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/684879644844265477
they retweeted two LA things , the bowl win and howie long.
just maybe?...
I want the Raiders and Chargers to move and the Rams to stay because I want to see the chaos it would create.
>>64732616
because the Raiders don't hate their existing fanbase in their current city, they just don't want to share a stadium with the A's.
rest assured the Chargers are going to scrub themselves of everything connecting them to San Diego, the team name, the colors the retired numbers none of that is making the trip up North.
and well the Rams, Kronke did everything but add riot photos and meth head mugshots in his propose bashing STL.
>>64733377
Pure coincidence. They tweet out iconic NFL birthdays all the time and have been counting down to the Super Bowl for a few weeks now.
>>64734087
>the team name, the colors the retired numbers none of that is making the trip up North.
And literally nothing of value was lost!
>>64717163
>Also the landscape for sports is changing. The Lakers are being run into the garbage can and could bad for a long time unless they strike gold in the lottery this year. The Clippers are perennial one-and-dones. The Dodgers are losing their stars, and the Angels have been a relative failure.
How long until LA realizes that it's getting shit teams and loses interest in them?
>>64722716
>implying the NFL doesn't simply use LA as a bargaining chip to strong-arm cities into funding shit stadiums with public money
NFL fans stay terrible
>>64736670
Which apparently worked in St. Louis but Kroenke wants to move anyways. All that "bargaining chip" noise was just a front. He's wanted to move the team all along.
>>64714430
When I took a road trip to St. Louis a few years back (to watch the Saints) I didn't see a single shred of evidence that the St. Louis Rams were even a real life team until I literally stepped foot into the Edward Jones Dome. Stayed with family about 2 hours out in Carbondale, IL. All Bears/Colts country, yet theres a team fucking 2 hours out. Sad.
>>64714370
>St. Louis Is Not A Three Professional Team Market
BTFO
>>64718426
Nah. Seattle/SF and Seattle/Arizona are two budding rivalries that I can't see the NFL willing to pluck away that easily. If anyone I can see the Rams going AFC, as a kek to remind them of their failures and to try and build a "Battle of Missouri" Series to boost interest
I like da Rams. Pls come to Europe.
>>64736748
And St. Louis still wants the team after that? The cucks.
>>64736781
STL has always been a baseball town which makes sense since the Cardinals aren't total shit like the Rams.
>>64737013
It also doesn't help that their Dome looks like a freaking warehouse up close. Ive been to several road games and EJD stands out distinctly as being the least distinct stadium ever.
>>64736781
>willingly living in Carbondale
Field Yates@FieldYates 2 mins
The Broncos announced Peyton Manning will start at QB in the divisional round of the playoffs.
Field Yates@FieldYates 2 mins
The Broncos announced Peyton Manning will start at QB in the divisional round of the playoffs.
>>64737070
Looks like a mall that's still under construction.
I clearly remember the LA Rams when I was a kid. They left when I was 8.
Although I hate the Raiders, dislike the Chargers, and hold no hate for the Rams... I don't think the Rams need LA. St. Louis is a sports city more than capable of hosting them.
The Raiders can stay in Chokeland though. Fuck those thugs. It was their team to begin with.
It should probably be the Chargers. They're the only ones that 'need' LA. DESU, I just want to be able to watch my team live more (Patriots).
>>64737165
How do the Chargers "need" LA but the Raiders don't? All the Raider fans in Oakland are being priced out of the bay, meanwhile LA has a solid Raider fanbase
>>64714149
>Many of the NFL's most influential owners, including some on the league's Los Angeles Relocation committee, continue to have reservations about the Raiders' inclusion in the joint project with the Chargers in Carson, Calif. Their concerns over the strength of the Raiders' ownership group could result in no teams getting approval to move to LA in 2016, ownership sources said. Furthermore, multiple ownership sources said that the odds of a move happening to LA next year would be significantly higher if the Chargers were either moving by themselves, or if they were paired with the Rams.
>Other owners have doubts about whether or not Raiders owner Mark Davis has the acumen to build a strong franchise in a two-team LA market, sources said. And, given that organization's repeated moves under former owner Al Davis and the controversy that ensued -- including suing the league -- there remains a backlash to the Raiders going back to LA. Mark Davis is a polarizing figure, and as popular as Chargers owner Dean Spanos is among his cohorts, Davis is not held in as much esteem. Some owners believe it makes much more sense for the return to LA to begin with one team rather than two.
>Finding a way to get Spanos and Rams owner Stan Kroenke together is viewed as the best-case scenario for a two-team LA market, and although consideration hurdles exist, it may not be impossible if a vote is pushed back to 2017.
>Oakland is also looked at, despite its substantial stadium woes, as a better locale for NFL football given the overall strength of the Bay Area, and Davis, desperate to get out of his current stadium and lacking options, is seen as more malleable by NFL brass and owners to other options, which could potentially include a move to St. Louis should the Chargers and Rams end up going to Los Angeles together.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25411358/the-raiders-involvement-in-carson-bid-could-mean-no-la-teams-in-2016
>>64715589
I live in the county East of San Diego. On one level, I cheer for the Chargers because I'm part of the third generation of my family to do so. On another, I do because San Diego is my home away from home. I grew up vacationing there with my family, went to college there, and even lived there for a few years. I feel a loyalty to it. I cheer for the Chargers because their calling SD home makes geographically my "local" team. The thing is, I've been going to Chargers games and Padres games since I was a kid, and the biggest reinforcement of my disliking of LA (other than the city itself) is every fan of an LA team who has talked shit about San Diego teams. Just in my life, I have endured decades of shittalking that has reinforced a resentment of the city, its teams, and the fans of those teams. Now the team abandoning the city it has called home for all but one year, as well as fans who more than anyone else have defended its against the slander of Los Angelinos, and taking it of all places to the city of those who on the whole have ever only shit on it may or may not be enough to justify an end to my otherwise lifelong fandom, but even polls out of LA demonstrate that the Chargers in any capacity are the last fucking team Los Angelinos want moving to LA. So this argument on the owners part that potentially alienating 75% of fans is justified to preserve 25% just demonstrates what a completely stupid fuck he is, and I say that as an admitted part of that 25% that doesn't live in SD. Because of the betrayal of the loyalty that we the lean number of Chargers die hards have given as well as the betrayal of its home, I would not be able to continue supporting an organization that demonstrates such a clear lack of loyalty. Because of that, were another team to move to SD, I would maintain my loyalty to that city, and reward betrayal with betrayal and cheer for it instead. For the time being though, I'd probably just settle for cheering against the Chargers.
>>64722182
the absolute sexiest jerseys of all time
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605842-insider-buzz-momentum-building-for-rams-chargers-la-move-at-nfl-owners-meeting
Looks like its Rams-Chargers
>>64720812
>Final cleanup OKd at Carson site where Chargers, Raiders want stadium
>>64722424
>I have anecdotal evidence
>>64738801
hello two dead franchises
>>64738754
It's OK bro. Chicago has been raping LA teams in every sport for a while now, next year will be no different. U can live vicariously as a bears and bulls fan
>>64738801
I don't really understand
Oakland literally plays out of a shitty baseball stadium
>>64724192
>Stan Kroenke - I have more money than Spanos and Davis, and am begging to spend it building a goddamn spectacle of a facility in LA which will generate more money than Carson ever could that'll go directly to your pockets.
>Dean Spanos - Uh...I've been trying to get a stadium built for 14 years, even though the Mayor is busting his ass right now trying to get one built and there is a citizens initiative that could get one built if his falls through. The city just won't bend over and give me everything I want, but my stadium still tends to be full of fans...of the other team.
>Mark Davis - My stadium is a dump, but Raider fans fill it up regularly regardless. I would prefer to stay in Oakland as I've told anyone who asks me.
No way you say. :^)
>>64739026
I know, that's why its bullshit.
>>64739111
You know Mark Davis is lying, right? Everyone knows he wants to return to LA to make the Raiders a global brand. They aren't in Oakland.
Most NFL players and fans associate the Raiders with LA already. Even if the Rams and Chargers move to LA, the Raiders will always be LA's team.
so are they only letting two at most move?
>>64739242
Location is not relevant to make a team a global brand in the NFL. Winning makes you a global brand. Look at the Packers and the Patriots. Who the hell knows where Green Bay and New England are?
>>64739291
People in europe are more likely to know who the raiders are over the patriots because the raiders have become yankees tier with their caps
>>64739291
>Lakers
And everyone knows where New England and Boston are
Barely anyone has heard of Oakland or Bay Area abroad. California = Los Angeles. Any educated person knows that
>>64739291
as far as I'm concerned Wisconsin isn't a real place.
What are the chances of Kroenke selling the Rams if he can't move to LA?
Is an owner who doesn't hate his city or fanbase too much to ask for?
>>64739242
>Everyone knows he wants to return to LA to make the Raiders a global brand.
You have everyone on record for this? You have anyone on record for this? What I've heard about Davis is that he drive's his minivan, and gets his haircut at the same hole in the wall, and takes his players to strip clubs because he's a real ass nigga. Real ass niggas don't play head games. They tell it like it is. Want to see who plays games like what you're saying? This fuck right here. Who says in rare perfectly controlled and planned out statements that he'd love to stay in SD, but that the city government hasn't been able to do enough to keep them. Davis on the other hand tells fans, and calls into radio stations, and sideline reporters while not on camera that he wants to stay in Oakland more than anything. That doesn't seem like a guy practicing some guile. Just a guy speaking from the heart.
Also, of course the Raiders will always be LA's team. that doesn't mean Davis would prefer to go back over staying in Oakland. Contrary to the general opinion of people who live in LA, a lot of folks hate Los Angeles, and would really prefer not to live there. It's not an odd opinion to hold.
>>64739743
>This fuck right here.
>>64739583
>>Is an owner who doesn't hate his city or fanbase too much to ask for?
I just don't know, anon.
>>64739778
I feel your pain Chargerbro.
But for my own survival, I must root against you. Please take our place. Your team isn't even moving out of the state.
>>64739743
>>64739758
Why are they filing for relocation if he wants more than anything to stay where he is? That doesn't make any kind of sense.
CYA Later DINDUs
I'm fine with the Cardinals and Blues. GTFO my city niggers
>>64739809
>That doesn't make any kind of sense.
It does when you consider one primarily speaks via a special counsel who has literally made a career doing damage control, while the other is a goofy fuck who just talks to anyone who'd listen.
At the end of the day they both have a valid claim that they need a new stadium. Relocation may very well be the only way to get one. Mark Davis just seems to be the one who legitimately wishes he could get on in LA. Dean Spanos is an incompetent fuck who wants more money and is saying what he is told to say to get it. I'm a Chargers fan, but the side of Mark Davis that I've come to see out of this whole endeavor has really made me consider becoming a Raider fan if they move.
>>64739809
To get money from the NFL from any possible relocation fees
>>64739879
>Mark Davis just seems to be the one who legitimately wishes he could get on in LA.
Mark Davis just wants a stadium.
He really wishes he could get one in Oakland but neither nor Oakland can pay for that and that's why he partnered up with Spanos on the Carson proposal.
Spanos and Kroenke are the ones who actually want to go to LA.
Kroenke wants the second largest market to increase the value of his Rams, that's why nothing St. Louis does matters to him and he isn't afraid to burn that bridge.
Spanos considers LA his territory and doesn't want to lose it to another team, despite LA not really caring about the Chargers and that's why he wants to go to LA.
>lose STL
>lose SD
>keep Oakland, the one market that still has an NFL team in it
That makes so much sense.
>>64739930
It doesn't have to make sense, it has to make money.
>>64739924
>Mark Davis just seems to be the one who legitimately wishes he could get one in Oakland
is what it was supposed to say.
>>64740006
>it has to make money
>mfw coming home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ0Dqn4eI5E
>>64740238
^upboat
http://www.insidesocal.com/nfl/2016/01/07/one-of-the-great-games-of-poker-heads-to-a-final-hand/
Chargers/Raiders are ahead
What are you morons on about?
>>64739845
you do realize the cardinals are full of dindus too?
>>64740302
did you even read that article? he doesnt even know what the fuck is going to happen next weekend
one of his sources said it could be the chargers/rams
>After a long day of NFL committee meetings in New York Wednesday, it’s becoming clearer the side more likely to garner the 24 votes is the Chargers and Raiders Carson bid.
>For varying reasons.
>A significant group of owners empathize with Spanos’ long-time fight to secure a new stadium deal in San Diego, which has gone nowhere for more than 14 years. And for some owners, being able to solve the Chargers stadium situation and the Raiders dire stadium issues in Oakland with one single – and California – swoop has great appeal.
>Barring an outright win, the hand Kroenke will play is a negotiated outcome in which all three owners leave Houston satisfied with the end game. More specifically, the Rams bringing on either the Chargers or Raiders as a 50/50 equity partner in Inglewood, and some sort of consideration given to the third team to help them secure a new stadium somewhere.
>According to sources, the most likely end-game to that scenario is the Chargers and Rams teaming up in Inglewood.
in short LA raider fans weep while oakland raider fans cheer
personally I really want to see rams and raiders, battle of LA was the greatest showdown between two host cities ever.
>>64740673
>leaving out a huge portion of that article
kek, if I didnt actually read it I would believe what you are saying
>>64740690
article is too big and what I'm pointing out is carson has the votes and the reasons but owners are looking for a chargers-rams bid
What will end up happening is, and I am sad to say this because I want the chargers to stay in SD and the Rams to stay in STL, but its gonna be Rams in Inglewood, with Chargers. Raiders are going to get a new stadium thrown at them by St Louis. And the carousel continues.
>>64740726
>St. Louis Raiders
Would current Rams fans jump ship to the Raiders?
>>64740783
There is already a fanbase of the Raiders in Ferguson
>>64740783
>>64740726
The Raiders aren't going to St. Louis.
Mark Davis already said that's not happening.
>>64740820
If he doesn't get the bid to LA and Oakland doesn't give him a new stadium, what is he gonna do? STL might be the only option left for him.
>>64740783
Missouri resident and Rams fan here.
>St. Louis Raiders
T-this just sounds weird. I just don't know. If anything it would send the KC cucks across the state into a tizzy. They already hate the baseball Cardinals for no other logical reason than jealousy.
>>64740856
lease o.co one last year and sell part of the team to move to SD or somewhere in california.
he played/plays with the idea of moving outside of California but that would kill the raiders.
Fans of the raiders are country wide but nearly all of them are in California and moving the team outside California with the team is a slap to the face. Mark isn't stupid he knows that well.
>>64740783
>St. Louis Raiders
Just… no
Why would Rams fans be mad if the Rams move? It's not like the Rasms aren't dead last for attendance in the NFL
>>64741044
California doesn't need 4 teams
We have the best stadium plan out of the 3 teams
We deserve a fucking team
>>64741096
>We deserve a fucking team
>>64741044
>It's not like the Rasms aren't dead last for attendance in the NFL
wew lad
>>64741136
Tell me why the Bay Area (population 2.5 million million) needs 2 NFL teams?
http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2015-2016-dma-ranks.pdf
The Bay Area is smaller than Dallas, Philadelphia and Chicago and they don't have 2 teams
>>64741167
8.5 milly lad
>>64741185
Source? by TV viewing audience, there are only 2.4 million Bay Area households
Are you including Sacramento and half of California with it?
>>64741199
>>64741199
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose-San_Francisco-Oakland,_CA_Combined_Statistical_Area
>>64741199
And every household in the Bay area has a single occupant, so yeah, what you say makes a lot of sense.
>>64738333
>Rams and Chargers move to LA
>Raiders move to the newly-vacant St. Louis
I'd laugh so fucking hard
>>64741199
>>64741263
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
>>64741263
>Stockton
>San Jose
>Bay Area
Disregarded
>>64741299
Unlike most other metro areas, most people in the Bay Area tend not to have families on the account of being gay or being a loser tech nerd
>>64741435
they are tho stay mad
>>64741435
That is the bay area you fucking idiot
>>64741440
>Stockton - 87 miles away from SF
>San Jose - 50 miles away from SF
>Bay Area
k. Unless people commute from those areas to SF, then they aren't part of the Bay Area
>>64739930
I have no strong feelings towards or against any of these teams, so I'd personally be fine with this.
>Carson Stadium
Pros: It's in Los Angeles
Cons: It's located in a toxic waste dump
>City of Champions Stadium
Pros: It's in Los Angeles
Cons: There could be riots in St. Louis if they move
>National Car Rental Field
Pros: It's not that shithole dome
Cons: It's not in Los Angeles
>>64741460
SD to SL
Rams and Raiders to L.A.
If you are going to have two teams in the same city, you really need them in different conferences
>>64741167
Chicago used to have two teams. However, Chicago fans are fiercely loyal to the Bears, the same way they are to the Cubs, so a football version of the White Sox would likely also be put down in fucking Bridgeport and be summarily ignored by the entire city.
>>64741465
>Carson Stadium
>Pros: It's in Los Angeles
Is it?
>>64741465
>National Car Rental Field
Is that really the name of the STL stadium?
>>64741492
>the same way they are to the Cubs
lel no actual chicago fans are white sox fans , cubs are for the stupid hicks who haven't revolted yet
>>64741492
Chicago Cardinals > St. Louis Cardinals > Arizona Cardinals
By the way, The Rams started out in Cleveland
>>64741456
sf is part of the bay area not the other way around you know
>>64741513
Ghetto = White Sox
Yuppies = Cubs
>>64741541
>Ghetto = White Sox
not even
White Sox is the team for the city
Cubs are the people outside of new york
not even up for debate this is fact , cubs have been looked at as the second class fanbase they are since forver
>>64741558
outside of chicago
midway I was going to make a comparison on how mets are for the city of nyc and jersey but the yankees are for the entire state
well same shit sox are chicago and chicago is sox
I just want the Chargers to stay, damnit.
>>64741513
Yes, the North Side is full of redneck hicks from backwards ass places like Lincoln Park and Sox fans are from the bastions of wealth, status and economic success known as Canaryville and Back of the Yards.
......
>>64741570
>Mets for the city
No. It's Yankee majority everywhere, even in Queens. They have 60 years on the Mets.
Cubs were just the lovable losers even though before 2005 the Sox lost just as much
>>64741492
Everyone in the Bay Area is a 49ers fan
There is no need for the Raiders to exist
>>64741635
Which is why they're moving to LA
>>64741570
Cubs fans= homosexuals and famous people, AKA people who don't know shit about baseball
White Sox fans = union workers too poor to afford cubs tickets and stereotypical "poh-lish sah-suge" polacks and Italians.
I say this as a cubs fan who hates both fanbases equally.
>>64741594
>>sarcasm detected
>>64741655
But according to most reports now, the Raiders are the least likely to move to LA even though they have the crappiest stadium situation
>>64741664
Polish people live mostly to the northwest and like the Cubs. Sox fans are mostly niggers on welfare, dirty spics, and the ten white people who live on 35th street that haven't figured out that the rest of their kind moved out of the South Side decades ago
