We remebwr the 2007 MLB DRAFT and laugh at the stupid fucking teams who willingly chose to NOT DRAFT the greatest pitcher to have ever lived.
No news, fuck off, we're closed.
Please be civil and rational when posting.
Thanks.
mariners
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http://www.fangraphs.com/
http://baseballsavant.com/
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/
http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-depth-charts/
>inb4 pissboi
Royals
>Kreshew a piss
A's
>jap pitchers
>top 5 pitchers
>>64608773
Eesh. Imagine. Kansas City could have had not only Greinke but Kershaw.
>>64608799
>chokeland pathetics
>>64608773
Andrew Miller truly is the GOAT. Let everyone itt know
MLB Starting Rotation Power Rankings:
>Elite Tier
1. Dodgers
2. Rangers
3. Indians
4. Cardinals
5. Nationals
>Potential to rise into elite tier
6. Mariners
7. Yankees
8. Snakes
9. Mets
10. White Sox
>Passable tier, good/decent potential to be top 15
11. Pirates
12. Rays
13. Cubs
14. Red Sox
15. Blue Jays
>Disappointment tier
16. Giants (sorry Cueto)
17. Royals
19. Angels
20. Astros
>Shit tier
21. Brewers
22. Marlins
23. Padres
24. Athletics (sorry sonny)
25. Reds (sorry j.lamb future allstar)
>JUST tier
26. Orioles
27. Twins
28. Braves
29. Phillies
30. Rockies
#######
Dont catch feelings boys~
>>64608832
MAKE ONE FOR BULLPENS
>>64608814
>shitattle redditors
your tripfags literally get their content from reddit, kek
>>64608832
Please stop posting already
>>64608837
projecting bullpens is almost entirely futile.
>>64608832
this will probably be more accurate than any other scrub posting in here
>>64608848
hello angels fan
>>64608851
he is a pissboi he can't stop
>>64608872
b-but my favorite team has one of the best bullpens in MLB and not that great starting rotation.
I want to see a list my fave team is on the top of ;_;
>>64608837
Dodgers, KC, Yankees, R.Sox, Rangers (yes I'm not kidding, those niggas are hot), Pirates if they can fill in what for Soria and someone to set up Melancon.
Everyone else isn't as strong as the ones mentioned.
>>64608884
especially now that you have chapman for the playoff push, the doyers bullpen looks great
DG literally cannot stop samefagging
>>64608914
Epic post brother. Dodgers have the best bullpen in the division by a lot. By like so fucking much it's not even funny how much better it is. We literally have so much that we have to send niggas down to OKC to ROTATE the BULLPEN.
BEST LH SPECIALIST IN THE LEAGUE.
TOP SET-UP MAN IN THE LEAGUE.
DEEPEST LONG RELIEF IN THE LEAGUE.
BEST FUCKING CLOSER IN BASEBALL.
Be very careful of your next reply.
Don't make me humiliate you with the numbers.
>>64608921
Who is ur team bro? Ill try and say something nice about your rotation (but it's probably trash)
>>64608832
are red sox at 18?
>>64608832
Sale/Quintana/Rodon has potential to be the best 1-2-3 in the game, but after that the White Sox have shit. Erik Johnson and John Danks whoopdeedoo.
>>64608976
Johnson still has potential. Danks is just a good innings eater at this point
>>64608976
Quintana has the ability to compete for a Cy Young Award. He's the ultimate sleeper IMO.
>>64609016
C'mon senpai, he's good but he's not that good. He's not better than sale,Gray,price,kluber,etc.
>>64609053
threads dead
if no one replies in the next 3 minutes, the Mariners will win the eries
>Even year
>>64609433
>with an EVEN worse faggot team
Lmaoooooooooooo
>>64608773
I didn't realize Cy Young was drafted in 07
>>64609565
Regular season doesn't matter. Post season is what matters.
Dodgers still haven't been in the most important game in baseball every year since 1988.
>>64609426
The off season is now brutal
why'd you have to go and fuck shit up miami
>>64610241
>all those red and blue teams.
How boring.
>>64610241
>>64608773
Daily reminder that Kershaw is still the Cardinals' bitch.
bump
fuck divegrass and amateur handegg
>>64616540
bumop
>>64616540
I was thinking the same thing.
All these one sport, one skill set, one build eurotrash and cuck/underage americans.
>>64617359
>four hours
>already on page 8
All because a new thread gets made when someone scores.
I miss baseball, senpai
>>64617435
Is it bad that I hate soccer so fucking much?
I can't stand it. I was sitting in the Sports Clips waiting to get a haircut and the Liverpool game was on and I was just scolding the entire time.
>>64617643
Your first mistake was going to sports clips.
>and now we use superimposition to show you the batter and first base
:^)
>>64608832
>Astros in Disappointment Tier
>Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh are 1,2,3
>Keuchel won the Cy Young this season
Th-thanks
>>64619544
Baseball does need to do more angles for TV. They really need to take advantage of widescreen.
>>64616787
>>64619544
top comfy
>>64608832
Switch the Blue Jays with the Jints and move the Astros to top 12 and you have a decent list. You also forgot the Tigers.
>>64610315
Mariners green ball is too big
>>64620917
Also black is too big, orange too small, red is too big.
Everything is off, it hurts my autism
>>64610241
>>64610315
What the fuck is this autistic shit?
>>64608773
>be #2 overall pick
>go to the Rockies
rip. his career was over before it started
is decat KC bro here?
>>64608832
Posting this from the other thread:
MLB Starting Rotation Power Rankings:
>Elite Tier
1. Mets
2. Indians
3. Giants
4. Cardinals
5. Diamondbacks
>Potential to rise into elite tier
6. Cubs
7. Astros
8. Nationals
9. Dodgers
10. Rays
>Passable tier, good/decent potential to be top 10
11. Tigers
12. White Sox
13. Mariners
14. Red Sox
15. Blue Jays
>Disappointment tier
16. Rangers
17. Pirates
18. Marlins
19. Athletics
20. Yankees
>Shit tier
21. Brewers
22. Royals
23. Padres
24. Angels
25. Reds
>JUST tier
26. Orioles
27. Twins
28. Braves
29. Phillies
>Literally one of the worst rotations I have ever seen tier
30. Rockies
Oh yeah, and for you faggot NL Central fans, remember that your shitty rotations overperformed last season. All three of you. Especially you Pittsburgh. Even with Glasnow your rotation is shit.
>>64608832
>14. Red Sox
god i hope this is roughly accurate but i have a bad feeling.
>>64621956
>that entire passable tier
kek
KEK
>>64621956
>MLB lists Jordan Lyles as the Rockies #2 starter
>>64621956
This is so bad holy shit
>>64622096
how is it any worse than daddy pissboi
>>64621956
>Rangers
>disappointment
Come on son, they're not that bad
>>64621956
>30
>Rockies
How the hell did they ever manage to make it to the world series one year?
>>64622131
Rangers and Yankees belong at least in the passable tier, Mariners have Felix and that's it, Red Sox have Price and that's it, Cardinals are not top 5 should be top 10 though, and Phillies have just as bad a rotation as the Rockies so they should both be in that last tier.
>>64622131
They're not disappointing per se, but they were just on the cusp. By default they end up in that category.
The one team I probably overrated was the Brewers but whatever, I'm not going to fix it.
>>64622215
The Yankees had a below league average team ERA last season, and we know it was only that high thanks to the bullpen. So I don't see how the Yankees deserve to be much higher. They haven't improved at all.
>>64622192
>Rocktober was 8 years ago
>literally win 22 of last 23 to make it
>just ride momentum, Coors Field was an actual enjoyable place to visit
>tfw 8 years ago
>tfw it'll never happen again
>ever
>fucking ever
I'll stop caring about baseball at 30 I think. Maybe move cities and just be a casual fan. I hate this team.
>>64622192
The flukiest winning streak in North American sports history, a.k.a. "Rocktober"
The 07 Rockies are arguably the memeiest meme team that ever meme'd
>>64622263
Severino will be in there for the beginning of the season and Eovaldi really improved before getting hurt. I could see that rotation having around a 3.80 ERA barring injury which is passable.
>>64622299
>2007 rockies
>2011 broncos
Within a 4-year span the city of Denver had two of the biggest meme teams in the history of American sports.
>>64622366
This. Eovaldi's numbers were great after the Miami Massacre. If Tanaka doesn't get hurt, he'll be effective. If Pineda gets more consistent, he'll be dangerous. Sabathia is the only weak link at this point, and even then he was pitching with under a 3 ERA for the month of September.
>>64622835
>if
>if
>september numbers when teams put out the shittiest lineups
>>64623213
>reading comprehension
>>64621956
The Angels rotation isn't that bad
>>64623555
It's pretty shit though.
when is baseball, hockey sucks
>>64624536
August, if your a Jays fan
>>64624582
oof
that was pretty good
>>64621956
>3. Giants
>4. Cardinals
>5. Diamondbacks
do not belong in the elite tier
>>64624756
Diamondbacks have 1 good pitcher. Idk how they're considered elite.
>>64624855
Shelby Miller is a very good #2 starter. Corbin and Robbie Ray are good too, especially for the middle of the rotation. I would put them somewhere in the "potential to rise into elite" tier.
diamondbacks shouldn't even be considered in the top 15
>>64624855
>Greinke
>Miller
>Corbin
>Bradley
>Ray
textbook potential to rise to the elite tier
>>64624972
I don't buy this Shelby Miller is an ace shit. I'm really curious to see how he performs next year.
>>64625203
Well he doesn't have to be an ace, that's what Greinke is for. But he's young and posted great numbers last year, so I don't see why he can't rise to ace status eventually.
inb4 someone tells me why he's shit using a bevy of advanced sabermetrics.
Daily reminder that the 2015 Kansas City Royals willingly put their World Series in the hands of Edinson Volquez.
>>64625465
Then his dad died, fulfilling the ritual of dead parents granting them the ring.
>>64625280
>inb4 someone proves me wrong with facts
>>64625465
and it ended out pretty okay!
>>64625986
I'm not saying sabermetrics are wrong, I just hate when some smug stat nerd lists a bunch of saber stats as if it's the be all/end all of pitcher discussion.
>yfw da giants win da worlds eries
>>64626170
>yfw giants vs royals worlds eries
>>64626221
>>64626221
>yfw the royals lose it at Kauffman in game 7 during the 9th in a similar situation to 2014 except this time he ran and got put out at home instead of staying on 3rd.
>Maeda will receive only $25MM guaranteed over eight years
dem incentives
/r/ing pissboi screencaps
>>64627405
$3 million a year? Was he dying to pitch for the Dodgers or something? Because there's no way he couldn't have gotten more guaranteed money from another team.
>>64627901
Benefits of living in LA
>>64628132
No water, overpriced bad food, constant threat of death, Chinese air quality, awful people, and constant media scrutiny?
![hi-res-153844879_crop_north[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4PkUlsf.jpg "hi-res-153844879_crop_north[1].jpg")
Did anyone forget that he CHOKED his girlfriend then fired eight shots from a GUN?
Rather than giving this guy millions of dollars to throw a ball he should be in jail like the psychopath he is. I've been a Yankee fan my whole life but I'm very disappointed to see them acquire him. There are things bigger than the game and I cannot root for the Yankees if they condone this.
The Dodgers made a smart and ethical decision in passing him up. It hurts me to do, but I have thrown out all my Yankee gear and decided to become a Red Sox or Mets fan (whichever one does better this year)
>>64628217
I was hoping the rags would sign him.
A woman beater, a convict, and a drug addict.
Memes for days
>>64628217
Did this post come from Reddit? Cause I feel like this post came from Reddit
>>64628217
Sup reddit
>>64628189
Edgelord
>>64628217
agreed
this is a person's life not a game
>>64628217
Smells like reddit
>>64628217
>Doyers back out on the trade because he's about to be suspended
>Turns out the penalty will be a slap on the wrist
>Yankees get him for peanuts
>Doyers get keked out of Greinke
>Doyers get keked out of Iwakuma
Are the Doyers the most keked team this offseason?
>>64628555
All those things are true though
>>64628603
>Are the Doyers the most keked team this offseason?
No way, they got Kazmir and Maeda, two proven aces.
>>64628281
Gibs Sonny Gray to the Rangers plz
>>64608948
Woah they're good, but Wade Davis isn't on you're team.
>>64628641
>never pitched a single inning in the big leagues
>proven ace
lmao
>>64628641
PissLorde you forgot your trip
>>64628641
Maeda is a proven AAAAce
>>64628646
>giving away the only hope I have for this shitshow
nah senpai
>Billy Beane will trade Sonny Gray for prospects that never pan out the year before he wins the CYA and there's nothing you can do about it
Name a more lovable spic in MLB.
Protip: you can't
>>64628874
>mfw it's to the Yankees for a bunch of randoms and not our top prospects
>>64628880
Hello anon
>>64628880
>>64628960
Wrong.
>>64628880
Wilmer 'I cried for your sins' Flores
>>64628880
>>64628982
Fuck that faggot desu senpai
>>64628908
>those randoms and low prospects have hidden value and turn out ok for 1 year with the A's
>Beane trades them to go be good for other teams and gets other hidden gem prospects in return
>repeat
>>64628997
>yfw the night train goes coastin'
>>64629008
You're trying to meme when all you're doing is posting facts, faggot.
>>64629085
>tfw your team has an elite LOOGY
>>64629000
>He can't handle the GOAT
![Lindor477321302[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MjsjhXZ.jpg "Lindor477321302[1].jpg")
>>64628880
not even the most lovable on his own team
>>64629158
>mfw he never gets into HOF
>>64629158
He's not goat by any means anon
>>64629000
>2016
>still not loving Agod
>>64629158
2nd GOAT to be honest
>>64629100
Your GM only cares about makin dem deals instead of winning jack shit, faggot.
>>64628555
>posting facts about the asshole of America is "le edgy XD"
>>64628555
Lol mad calicuckk
>If i use a meme arrow i am right about everything
bet you're underage too
>>64629394
I stopped defending Beane 2 years ago.
Anyone above Bobby Mel can eat shit desu
Especially the kike owners.
At least we aren't the raidniggers.
>>64629636
>I stopped defending Beane 2 years ago.
I wonder why
>>64629811
how many other good players have come and gone through oakland in the blink of an eye? russell, cargo, ethier, dosh, who else?
would beane be any better on a team that was willing to spend to keep players, or does he actively try to find ways to keep turnover high? maybe he should just be a scout instead of a gm if that's the case.
>>64630112
I think a few of those players would of stuck around if he had money to keep them. But i think as a result of the tight budget hes given he might trade players away too soon cause of trying to max their return before they hit FA (Cargo). Or give away too much (Russell) when the team might have a chance to do some damage in the playoffs since the contending window is so short and seemingly random.
>>64630112
Donaldson was a pretty good find for Beane, he came from >us in the 2008 Rich Harden deal as a low level catcher. The deal looked like a steal for us until Donaldson became a star after everyone else in the deal was out of the majors (is Matt Murton still tearing it up in Japan?) Second Donaldson deal was awful for him though.
And with the shork deal, we also got our current #2 prospect, Billy McKinney
Mr.3000 on in 20 minutes on MLBN tbqhwyf
>>64630853
That movie was shit and Bernie Mac was never funny
>>64631232
His first Apollo stand up was the GOAT, senpai
>>64630853
>learns the value of sportsmanship and not being an asshole, doesn't at all care he didn't get the 3,000th hit
horseshit ending 2bh
>>64630853
>plays for the Brewers
>Rangers Ballpark in the pic
the fuck...
>>64631232
reminder that Bernie Mac is the real reason for the Cubs 2003 collapse
Not Bartman
Not Gonzalez
Bernie Mac
>>64608773
>2007 MLB DRAFT
>greatest pitcher to have ever lived
sure, but you only posted the first 7 picks, matt harvey went in the 3rd round
Imagine having to play for the phillies and then this happens to you.
Must have been a bad day.
>>64632532
Ouch that has to hurt.
Matt Harvey and Max Scherzer will finish 1-2, in no particular order, in the 2016 NL Cy Young Award voting.
Cap this
>>64632695
top no
>>64630532
Wasn't McKinney traded to the Cubs too?
>>64610315
How are the tigers red?
>>64633433
Samardzija and Hammel for Russell McKinney and Dan Straily
>>64633886
That's right, I remember now. Then they traded Straily for Fowler
>>64628880
all wrong
>>64631647
Thanks for the spoiler alert, fag
>>64622296
Just to get swept
**OFFICIAL /mlb/ trip power rankings**
1. Pizzabro
2. Texas Yankees
3. MMR
4. Fuck Man Soler
5. Capt. D
6. Felix
POWER GAP
9999999999. Pissboi
You literally can't refute this
>>64608825
this desu
>>64627875
here senpai
>Dodgers
>cuccked out of Grienke
>cuccked out of Kuma
>have Chase Utley who's an honorary nigger
>Lose chapman for literally no ones from the YANKEES farm
>your biggest tripfag is the most hated human being in /mlb/
Is there any reason to be a Dodgers fan besides being Hispanic?
>>64628189
I hate la and all that but the polllution in Beijing is some next level shit breh
>>64635092
Good list
>>64634031
and got Hammel back the following offseason
>>64608832
>1. Dodgers
>9. Mets
>7. Yankees -- what the fuck???
>2. Rangers
Pissboi stop
>>64608773
>based Hochevar
One has pitched in a worlds eries and the other has not
>>64635092
>AL trips
>>64629100
>it's not coco crisp
>>64636639
daily reminder Luke Hochevar has more world series wins than Clayton Kershaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViCKzI9PBYs
>>64636732
It's a single-album cover.
It's a shitty line where he mentions the GOAT anyways.
>>64608884
>soria, davis, hochevar, herrera, the grave of greg holland
Best bullpen in baseball
Daily reminder the Orioles may have a stacked deck of 6 aces
>>64637539
>2015 red sox.jpg
Daily reminder the white sox will win da world eries.
Cap this
>>64638402
2005 was 11 years ago. Stop living in the past.
>>64638431
>2005 was 11 years ago
>>64638431
>2005 was 11 years ago
>>64634033
>won world series
by definition unlovable
thanks for playing
>>64638642
His only crime is loving too much anon.
>>64635092
thanks senpai
>>64638494
>>64638524
>we're closer to the year 2030 than we are to the year 2000
9/11's Crystal Anniversary is this year.
>1998 was 18 years ago
>if the Dbacks and Rays were people they'd be legally able to appear in porn this season
Oh, hey Bryce.
>>64638839
>>64638943
b-but anon in the past 18 years I've seen both the rays and Dbacks get hardcore dominated by balls and sticks.
Does this mean I've been watching something illegal the past 18 years?
Hype boys
>>64638943
>these teams have been to the WS already
>the Memeiners and Nationalspos still haven't
lmfao can we just contract these shit franchises already
3 months away from Basedball. I can't wait any longer
>>64639099
b-but they beat a wild card team in the division series in 1995
>>64638955
Oh, hey Mike.
Friendly reminder that the 18 year old Tampa Bay Rays have more World Series appearances than the Mariners and Nationals combined :^)
>>64638431
>>64638494
>>64638839
Holy shit. I was 7 when >we won
>>64638955
>""""best"""" player in baseball
>uglier wife than Bumgarner
kek
KEK
>>64639371
Friendly reminder that the Tampa Bay Rays have more world series appearances than the Mariners, Nationals, and LA dodgers since 1988 combined.
>this cunt
sports yahoo com / news / ny-council-speaker-says-yankees-wrong-acquire-chapman-230646139--mlb.html
I've been away from the chan since November because I didn't want Fallout 4 spoilers
just beat the main quest so we're good
based Greinke
keking at doyers trying to make up for it with Scott "made of glass" Kazmir and some anime character
what's up lads
>>64641271
your predictions?
>>64641295
no predictions until right before spring training
I want the stove to run its course
>>64641319
I-Is it really you?
Where are you stationed now, senpai?
>>64641271
d backs still going to be behind the giants and dodgers
>>64641380
I'm the reserves dude ;)
just chilling at U of A, drinking copious amounts of alcohol and trying to get laid
guys I had this bad dream that we overpaid for a number 3 starting pitcher which included giving away Dansby Swanson
>>64641396
Oh.
>avoiding 4chan over videogames
I assume because of Star Wars well.
faggot
>>64641432
lol plus I had finals
I missed you guys, I feel left out of the latest /mlb/ may mays
>>64641477
I'd fill you in but there's too much and it's late.
I'll leave with scoutfu though.
You'll find out soon enough.
>shitattle anon
>>64641477
Refer to DG as pissboi forever on. He answered to it once after a whole story he told about how he liked to be pissed on or anything.
>>64641497
>>64641514
lol sounds good boys
>his team isn't over .500 historically
This thread now belongs to fans of winning franchises. Only Yankees, Jints, Doyers, Tards, Red Sox, Cusb, Indians, Tigers, Reds, White Sox, Pirates, Angels, and Braves fans are welcome. Everyone else get out and go back to Reddit
>>64641921
>Cubs
>indians
>Winning teams
Only teams that win the only series that matters (The world series) within a certain amount of time are relevant enough to post here.
>>64642042
6th and 7th all time in win % and can lay claim to some of the most elite to ever play the game. The only team below .500 that really has anything on them is the A's, none of the others have more than 1 more Series win than them
Sustained success throughout franchise history > a couple flukey wins in a meme series
>mfw Chapman gets suspended
>mfw The Yankees get an extra year of control because of it
>>64608832
White Sox over Cubs, wew lad. U have me laffin.
>>64633735
They're in between blue and white fampai. look again
>>64628880
GUTI
U
T
I
>Jon Heyman has left CBS sports
>>64621956
>>64641419
>Shelby Miller
>Number 3 pitcher
Is Pete rose the ugliest person of all time
>>64645521
Pete Rose was a lot uglier when he was younger. He just looks like a grumpy, old man now.
holy SHIT the Astros farm is fucking PACKED at every level!!!!
>>64641497
She's maybe a 5/10 at best
>>64645911
That is one of the shittiest designed graphs I've seen in ages.
>>64645963
detroit mud hens fan detected
www.hardballtimes.com/2015-disabled-list-information-and-a-little-more/
>>64646114
Daddy Greinke was right, the Rangers are stacked!
>>64645938
low test beta faggot detected
>>64646114
is there something that shows the combined value of the players that were lost to the dl? i get the feeling this kind of chart can be really misleading by just counting cumulative days of players of unknown value.
>>64646302
Chances I can catch her at a Jackson generals game?
>>64646428
Not anytime soon seeing as how she just barely got hired.
You'd have a better chance catching her at HS baseball games in the Seattle area.
>>64646517
LOOK AT THAT PUP
HE'S FUZZY
>>64646732
>tfw you will never be that pup in scoutfu's room post-shower
>>64646805
No you fucking cuck. I just want to pet that dog.
>>64646517
>tfw no qt pupper
>>64624582
I thought thats when the Yankees fans stop watching
>>64641271
Fallout4 ? C'mon man get it together senpai
>>64622835
>If
>If
>If
>>64623213
>>64651639
I don't understand what was so hard to understand about my post. The argument is that the Yankees rotation has good potential, not that they were elite. Everything in my post outlined that potential.
>>64635092
Please stop promoting autism
>>64645938
>mfw
>>64651639
>"reading comprehension is hard!"
>>64651748
The point is that those are big ifs
>>64651802
Apparently it is for you, you dumb sack of shit
>>64651886
And? I didn't say that they would pitch to their potential, I just stated that they had potential.
>mfw Greinke pitches a no-hitter in his first game back in LA
>>64651924
Did you even read that posts he was replying to you double chromosome mother fucker? His post was fucking easy to understand
>>64651977
And I'm simply saying that potential is dependent on many factors, unlikely ones
The Phillies could be good if they werent shit, but guess what, they are shit
>>64652190
Yes. What part of your dumb aspie mind can't your samefagging ass comprehend?
Gonna cry more I pointed out something fucking stupid?
>>64652190
I'd rather have an extra chromosome than have one missing.
:^)
>>64637539
>mfw
>your team
>where you go for WAR
>Dbacks
>fangraphs masterrace
>>64652217
It's still their potential though. Tanaka was great before he got hurt, and he had spurts of that show up this season. We could just never keep that consistently. Pineda showed what he was capable of too. I don't think that they will pitch like that at all times, but I don't think they will be nearly as bad as this season.>>64652270
>samefag
Not even me. I really don't care enough about this argument to rage about it online. Let alone on 4chan.
How much did the dodgers pay to get no hit in 2015
>>64652707
>$300 million
>>64645911
we won't have a chance. they're going to rule the al west for a decade
>>64652534
thoughts on new Dbacks unies?
